X-Men [ENDGAME]

[2 Stupid Dogs]

@Hawkeye: I don't think so. Epig made it pretty clear that it was just one person.

I see, thanks.

I don't know what to think about Havok, but I'm not exactly getting baddie vibes from him, yet I'm not sure I'm getting civvie vibes either. If he's Omega Red, I don't think he should be lynched. If he's the Sentinels he can't win with the civvies and might have increased his powers. If he's Apocalypse he can't be lynched. I will be looking at White Queen. Her reaction to having survived the night kill really pinged me.

what role do you think she is

[Young Lady]

@Hawkeye: I don't think so. Epig made it pretty clear that it was just one person.

I see, thanks.

I don't know what to think about Havok, but I'm not exactly getting baddie vibes from him, yet I'm not sure I'm getting civvie vibes either. If he's Omega Red, I don't think he should be lynched. If he's the Sentinels he can't win with the civvies and might have increased his powers. If he's Apocalypse he can't be lynched. I will be looking at White Queen. Her reaction to having survived the night kill really pinged me.

what role do you think she is

White Queen? No idea. What's your take on it though?

[Celeste]

I'm not dead. D:

Oops! That's a really bad typo then!

[Joe Who?]

I'm not dead. D:

Oops! That's a really bad typo then!

lol i was just teasing you

[Joe Who?]

But yes, I don't see where Banshee fits in here.
Anyone have any ideas?

Sunfire said my name only twice, once asking Sebastion to explain his vote for me on day 2, and the second time 2 days later saying that she believes I'm good. I think she likely used her power on me sometime between Day 2 and Day 4.

[Joe Who?]

I also thought that WQ's explanation for her survival was kind of strange. It seemed like she was answering an entirely different question than the one that was asked of her.

[2 Stupid Dogs]

@Hawkeye: I don't think so. Epig made it pretty clear that it was just one person.

I see, thanks.

I don't know what to think about Havok, but I'm not exactly getting baddie vibes from him, yet I'm not sure I'm getting civvie vibes either. If he's Omega Red, I don't think he should be lynched. If he's the Sentinels he can't win with the civvies and might have increased his powers. If he's Apocalypse he can't be lynched. I will be looking at White Queen. Her reaction to having survived the night kill really pinged me.

what role do you think she is

White Queen? No idea. What's your take on it though?

I just recently posted about how I don't think she's bad because I think her teammates would've had something to say about her "survival".

[Operator]

I dunno, if I were I teammate I would stay the hell away from that. That's just me, though.

Very interesting sleuthing on Sunfire, Hawkeye. You're aptly named, I guess. 3 thoughts: 1) Are we sure he knew what power he got each night? If so, that was a cooler role than I realized. 2) I thought the theory went that QS used his own power to kill Scarlett Witch. Why would Sunfire use it if he got it? And 3) You say on Day 3, Sunfire pulled a 180 on QS. You don't mean to say he started suspecting QS, do you? Because that would shoot all kinda holes in your theory. Sorry for being too lazy/tired to go back and find it.

I think that lynching The Vision or White Queen is a solid option for today. I would lean toward the Vision, as I personally feel more sure of him, but again, that's just me.

One more thing I thought of today: everyone is so worried about Magneto. But we haven't had a lynch during this game that HASN'T gotten the result we expected, even though Epi said to expect heavy manipulation. I know this is so optimistic it sounds batshit crazy, but you guys don't think he could be dead, do you? Just interested to hear others' takes. IF he's dead (and again, that's a huge and very optimistic if) to my mind there's only one player he could've been. I'd have to read back through all the Day posts to see whether they shoot my hope/theory full of holes, but again, tired/lazy, and just curious what people think of the idea.

Anyway, I think Havok certainly is not civ. If Magneto's alive, I'm a little nervous about lynching him, because I made it pretty obvious I'd be gunning for him today. And what Hawkeye said about indies makes the option less appealing, as well. However, if we think Magneto's dead, I figure I should probably vote for him.

[Snapshot]

I would like to talk about abortion.

[Snapshot]

There is a possibility of his mother.

[Snapshot]

I think that lynching The Vision or White Queen is a solid option for today. I would lean toward the Vision, as I personally feel more sure of him, but again, that's just me.

The White Queen and the civil society.

[Nicol Bolas]

i say god dayyyyyyyum that was a bloodbath last nite i mean we had mutants every which way gettin gunned down like theyre in the last scene of a tarantino movie. rip mojo bastion and cable but especially u mojo i h8 that you has been taken so soon from us......... and sunfire too becuz so many seemed so sure about him yet so many were so wrong........ i suspected sunfire at times so my hands aint clean in this affair either but still so many treated the sunfire lynch like it was a 4gone conclusion......... i just dont really kno what that means........

mikhail y do u think the viz and the white queen r our best options today?

spiral why do u think queenys teammates wud come to her aid for survivin the kill? wouldnt that b dumb of them to talk about it in the thread when only the white queen herself would kno about her role if shes a good guy......... just seems a weird reason to drop ur case on her but i guess i aint followin yer train of thought as much as maybe i should b

[Joe Who?]

i'm a little lost on where the evidence of SF targeting QS was actually. did she come out strongly at him?

RE: magneto, it's true we haven't had any lynches manipulated yet, but we have been taking precautions against such things, so it's hard to really say for sure.

@ the vision what are you saying?

[Snapshot]

... Michael. All that he has done it all.

[Snapshot]

In this game they lost. Restrictions are controlled. All of these people?

[Joe Who?]

..... what?

[Ned Flanders]

I also thought that WQ's explanation for her survival was kind of strange. It seemed like she was answering an entirely different question than the one that was asked of her.

Can you point this out for me?

So I can then point out where I glorified it?

While I know lynching me would be a mistake, I also believe lynching Viz would be a mistake, and unsporting to vote him while he appears to be under some kind of posting restriction.

[Ned Flanders]

Clarified not glorified, *shakes fist at autocorrect*

[2 Stupid Dogs]

i say god dayyyyyyyum that was a bloodbath last nite i mean we had mutants every which way gettin gunned down like theyre in the last scene of a tarantino movie. rip mojo bastion and cable but especially u mojo i h8 that you has been taken so soon from us......... and sunfire too becuz so many seemed so sure about him yet so many were so wrong........ i suspected sunfire at times so my hands aint clean in this affair either but still so many treated the sunfire lynch like it was a 4gone conclusion......... i just dont really kno what that means........

mikhail y do u think the viz and the white queen r our best options today?

spiral why do u think queenys teammates wud come to her aid for survivin the kill? wouldnt that b dumb of them to talk about it in the thread when only the white queen herself would kno about her role if shes a good guy......... just seems a weird reason to drop ur case on her but i guess i aint followin yer train of thought as much as maybe i should b

If Mikhail is right about this baddie bloc, they've been defending each other all game. Why stop now?

It seems to me that Mikhail only likes this baddie bloc theory where all the baddies are being so obvious all the time when they're standing in his way.

[Ned Flanders]

I think Mikhail is massively steering, tbh. If you read back on the Viz, he reads very civvie to me. As does Havoc. He is suspecting anyone who does not get on board the Rasputin train. He is convincing and versatile (which is fitting if you know anything about the RL Rasputin). But the more people he adds to his list, the more I am considering voting for him, tbh.

While I am not a rampant bus chucker like some, I am also someone who has a few games under my belt, and would not defend anyone this overly if they were a bad teammate. Nor would I expect them to defend me. Although I have won quite a few games, I have lost even more, and losing in this game generally means death. I would rather win than lose, live than die, but not at the risk of others. If I had teammates, you would not know who they were, tbh.

[Jack Shephard]

I think Mikhail is massively steering, tbh. If you read back on the Viz, he reads very civvie to me. As does Havoc. He is suspecting anyone who does not get on board the Rasputin train.

I can agree with this. Bullying? Definitely not, but steering, maybe. I did agree with the Havok suspicion though, which is why I hadn't thought about it much.

To the last line I quoted. Almost immediately after I supported Havok's theory on Mikhail's lynch patterns, he stated he thought I was civ. The timing was odd there.

Also, what's everyone's view on Shadowcat? Are we accepting that she is good and moving on? I haven't looked into the Domino/Exodus relationship recently, but I think that should be the case.

[Jack Shephard]

Today seems to be moving slowly. I hope we can figure things out before the last hour...

[Celeste]

I could see how some might view Mikhail as steering. And I agree, Polaris. The fact that he came out and said you were civ after you agreed with him does seem like odd timing.

I know the word "bullying" was mentioned awhile back, but it's since been dropped. Any reason you decided to bring it back, Polaris?

As for whether or not I'm good, I would like to hear what Havok's view on that is. Because based on what happened last night, I think that presented more evidence of how I'm good. If you can't figure it out, it's based on one thing in particular he mentioned.

Also my target was redirected last night as well, if that means anything to anyone.

[Jack Shephard]

I could see how some might view Mikhail as steering. And I agree, Polaris. The fact that he came out and said you were civ after you agreed with him does seem like odd timing.

By him, I'll assume you meant Havok there, because that's who I agreed with.

I know the word "bullying" was mentioned awhile back, but it's since been dropped. Any reason you decided to bring it back, Polaris?

It stuck in my mind when someone said it before (can't remember who), but I just wanted to emphasize that's not at all what I see, just in case it was brought forth again. I'm willing to drop it.

As for whether or not I'm good, I would like to hear what Havok's view on that is. Because based on what happened last night, I think that presented more evidence of how I'm good. If you can't figure it out, it's based on one thing in particular he mentioned.

I'll take a look at Havok's posts then.

Also my target was redirected last night as well, if that means anything to anyone.

My guess is a certain role caused a lot of night actions to be redirected. Omega Red's and Pyro's kills both looked to be redirected. Also reading the Sentinels' kill makes it look like it wasn't intentional either. Your night action was redirected. I think the first line of the day post has a lot more meaning than one would originally think.

[Jack Shephard]

The way The Vision is behaving is also reminding me a lot of a certain role in the Harry Potter game, where players were forced to babble nonsense for a whole day. But I don't see any roles that would cause someone to behave like this, nor has it happened at all up to this point. Thoughts on that?

[Celeste]

The way The Vision is behaving is also reminding me a lot of a certain role in the Harry Potter game, where players were forced to babble nonsense for a whole day. But I don't see any roles that would cause someone to behave like this, nor has it happened at all up to this point. Thoughts on that?

The only thing I can think is either it's from a secret or a prize somebody won. Your guess as to which it is is as good as mine.

[Celeste]

I could see how some might view Mikhail as steering. And I agree, Polaris. The fact that he came out and said you were civ after you agreed with him does seem like odd timing.

By him, I'll assume you meant Havok there, because that's who I agreed with.

I did. Sorry. I probably should have clarified better.

I know the word "bullying" was mentioned awhile back, but it's since been dropped. Any reason you decided to bring it back, Polaris?

It stuck in my mind when someone said it before (can't remember who), but I just wanted to emphasize that's not at all what I see, just in case it was brought forth again. I'm willing to drop it.

Fair enough.

As for whether or not I'm good, I would like to hear what Havok's view on that is. Because based on what happened last night, I think that presented more evidence of how I'm good. If you can't figure it out, it's based on one thing in particular he mentioned.

I'll take a look at Havok's posts then.

Also my target was redirected last night as well, if that means anything to anyone.

My guess is a certain role caused a lot of night actions to be redirected. Omega Red's and Pyro's kills both looked to be redirected. Also reading the Sentinels' kill makes it look like it wasn't intentional either. Your night action was redirected. I think the first line of the day post has a lot more meaning than one would originally think.

I think so too. But I'm curious as to who could have had the power to redirect so many night actions. Which, again, leads me to suspect either a prize or secrets.

[Celeste]

EBWOP: Oops! that last line in the quote should have been in the same blue. If the host or a mod could edit that to make it more noticeable, I'd appreciate it.

[Operator]

i say god dayyyyyyyum that was a bloodbath last nite i mean we had mutants every which way gettin gunned down like theyre in the last scene of a tarantino movie. rip mojo bastion and cable but especially u mojo i h8 that you has been taken so soon from us......... and sunfire too becuz so many seemed so sure about him yet so many were so wrong........ i suspected sunfire at times so my hands aint clean in this affair either but still so many treated the sunfire lynch like it was a 4gone conclusion......... i just dont really kno what that means........

mikhail y do u think the viz and the white queen r our best options today?

spiral why do u think queenys teammates wud come to her aid for survivin the kill? wouldnt that b dumb of them to talk about it in the thread when only the white queen herself would kno about her role if shes a good guy......... just seems a weird reason to drop ur case on her but i guess i aint followin yer train of thought as much as maybe i should b

If Mikhail is right about this baddie bloc, they've been defending each other all game. Why stop now?

It seems to me that Mikhail only likes this baddie bloc theory where all the baddies are being so obvious all the time when they're standing in his way.

In the way of....what, exactly? I don't get what you're trying to insinuate. I haven't ever not liked my theory, so your last sentence means they're standing in my way all the time....? No, I just don't get this at all.

People keep saying I'm steering, and seem to be forgetting that only ONE lynch has the gone the way I'd have liked it to go (Domino, which I didn't even lead). So if I'm steering, I'm doing a freaking horrible job of it.

Anyway, I have to go and I'm voting Havok. He's the one I'm most sure about, and I don't feel like it's worth worrying over who Magneto targeted right now. So it'd be cool if others want to vote for him as well.

Linki: Yeah, no idea why Viz is insanified. And I'm confused, are people saying me or Havok leaning civ on Polaris is suspicious? I thought you meant me before but now I'm not sure.

[Celeste]

I meant that Havok leaning civ on Polaris was suspicious. And I'm assuming that's what Polaris meant, unless I'm misunderstanding her.

[Operator]

Gotcha. Just checking.

Pretty sure I did a similar thing. :P By coincidence, as part of a different point I was making, but still.

[Celeste]

Gotcha. Just checking.

Pretty sure I did a similar thing. :P By coincidence, as part of a different point I was making, but still.

You did. But I felt like yours was backed more by your case, whereas Havok's was more of an emotional plea.

[Joe Who?]

I also thought that WQ's explanation for her survival was kind of strange. It seemed like she was answering an entirely different question than the one that was asked of her.

Can you point this out for me?

yeah sure

Yes, I do know how I survived

And that was a lot of death. People I am sorry to see go, like Mojo.

What do you think I am lying about? That I know how I survived? I totes do know.

No, not why it may have been redirected. I do know why it did not kill me when it made its way to me.

You did not say what you think i am lying about. I would appreciate it if you did so.

Once again, i do not know that. I do know how it failed once it reached me.

I have no clue. I only know why I might not have died.

people were asking if you knew why the kill was redirected from you, but instead you were answering why the kill would have failed if it wasn't redirected. this struck me as unnecessary information

[Young Lady]

Very interesting sleuthing on Sunfire, Hawkeye. You're aptly named, I guess. 3 thoughts: 1) Are we sure he knew what power he got each night? If so, that was a cooler role than I realized. 2) I thought the theory went that QS used his own power to kill Scarlett Witch. Why would Sunfire use it if he got it? And 3) You say on Day 3, Sunfire pulled a 180 on QS. You don't mean to say he started suspecting QS, do you? Because that would shoot all kinda holes in your theory. Sorry for being too lazy/tired to go back and find it.

It seems that my mistake here was to look at the events and Rogue's role mechanics, using my own as a point of reference. That said, there are some powers that require their user's knowledge in order for them to choose a target or more. One thing I did miss though, if Sunfire had stolen QS's night kill (which he had to use that same night), I think it would have showed up as a Rogue kill and not Psylocke.

One more thing I thought of today: everyone is so worried about Magneto. But we haven't had a lynch during this game that HASN'T gotten the result we expected, even though Epi said to expect heavy manipulation. I know this is so optimistic it sounds batshit crazy, but you guys don't think he could be dead, do you? Just interested to hear others' takes. IF he's dead (and again, that's a huge and very optimistic if) to my mind there's only one player he could've been. I'd have to read back through all the Day posts to see whether they shoot my hope/theory full of holes, but again, tired/lazy, and just curious what people think of the idea.

Could be, but I wouldn't bet on it. We still need to be careful. Today's the day when we technically have to bandwagon on a person to reduce the risk of voting for people whose votes will be transferred to Magneto's main target, but I see we're pretty divided.

Now what I didn't like about White Queen's reaction after Night 5 was her rush to state that she knew how she survived. Past experience says that a baddie who survives a night kill (because of their role) would say they have no idea how that happened and would thank an unknown protector for it. This to me seemed like that equivalent of what happened with WQ, except here we have no baddies who can survive night kills, and it was more than obvious from the brief post that we were dealing with a bunch of redirected night kills.

linki with Banshee - something like that too.

[Nicol Bolas]

rasputin bro yesterday u said u knew who all the baddies were so today i expected you 2 b makin some cases and leadin the civvie wolf pack but now here we are and earlier u said the viz and white queen were our best options but you brought up no points about them and now ur votin for havok. the only question i got for u is wtf m8?

[Ned Flanders]

Hawkeye said: Now what I didn't like about White Queen's reaction after Night 5 was her rush to state that she knew how she survived. Past experience says that a baddie who survives a night kill (because of their role) would say they have no idea how that happened and would thank an unknown protector for it. This to me seemed like that equivalent of what happened with WQ, except here we have no baddies who can survive night kills, and it was more than obvious from the brief post that we were dealing with a bunch of redirected night kills.

Um, if past experience tells you that baddies do the opposite of what I did, why does it lead you to conclude that I am a baddie?

I misread the post, I did not see how more than one kill could be redirected. I thought the attempt on me, and the kill subsequent to that were two different kills. So, I do indeed know how I would have survived had that been the case. When I reread it, I saw that I had been mistaken. I am guilty of skimming, but thats about it.

[Jack Shephard]

I meant that Havok leaning civ on Polaris was suspicious. And I'm assuming that's what Polaris meant, unless I'm misunderstanding her.

I said that I agreed with a theory Havok presented that could potentially (though it is a stretch) paint Mikhail in the black. The idea was related to Mikhail's voting record. Mikhail then said that he considered me civ. Y'all are off the mark on what I said, lol.

[Paul Stevens]

I feel like a lot of us are grasping at next to nothing here, and we're all suspicious of each other (except the baddies, of course - they know who they are and are playing off our paranoia ). That being said, I do not have a good idea of who to lynch today. Unfortunately, that means I also don't have a lot of good theories as to who is bad, except that someone who voted for Sunfire is bad. And seeing as I am guilty of having voted for Sunfire, that doesn't give me a lot to go on. My gut was telling me WQ was bad, but now I'm not so sure since her response to the redirected night kills. It looks like I may just have to pick a side and hope for the best, as we are divided again.

I'll be back later (probably via phone) for the vote. Until then, I'll think more on this and read what others have to say (perhaps I'm not reading into the arguments enough?).

[Snapshot]

And returned.

[Jack Shephard]

I feel like a lot of us are grasping at next to nothing here, and we're all suspicious of each other (except the baddies, of course - they know who they are and are playing off our paranoia ). That being said, I do not have a good idea of who to lynch today. Unfortunately, that means I also don't have a lot of good theories as to who is bad, except that someone who voted for Sunfire is bad. And seeing as I am guilty of having voted for Sunfire, that doesn't give me a lot to go on. My gut was telling me WQ was bad, but now I'm not so sure since her response to the redirected night kills. It looks like I may just have to pick a side and hope for the best, as we are divided again.

I'll be back later (probably via phone) for the vote. Until then, I'll think more on this and read what others have to say (perhaps I'm not reading into the arguments enough?).

If you're gonna get on us for grasping, I wish you would bring a better plan of action to the table.

[Rachel Green]

Today I went back and looked over Havoc's posts, deciding whether I was going to vote for him or not. I have since decided I am voting for him and for the sake of being clear I'm going to go over what I found that convinced me he is bad.

There is no one big thing that leads me conclusively to Havoks guilt but there are a lot of smaller things that added up. Some of the highlights are:

1. Back at the beginning Havok called out Scarlet Witch because of her use of the word "his" when referring to Polaris. Havok noted since Polaris had a big boobed avatar SW should have known to call Polaris "her". This caught several people's eye because "he" "his" is often used generically when referring to another whose gender you don't know. I don't believe SW even noticed the avatar. This just seemed like an attempt to jump on someone for nothing.

2. Next you may recall Havok asked the question whether the first lynch was a tie, potentially exposing one of the civ roles. There was a lot of discussion about this at the time and people pointed out how if civ, Havok would have gone over all the possible consequences of that question being asked. Even Havok had to finally agree that asking the question had been risky. I think he probably did not expect to be called out as he was on this issue.

3. In the quicksilver lynch Havok voted right after another player brought up the idea that all the quicksilver votes were too convenient. He didn't even acknowledge the comment in the thread about the convenience and voted Quicksilver anyway. During the discussion on this point he admitted he voted without taking a few peoples comments into consideration. Vision pointed out that on day 1 Havok used the excuse that there were heavy manips in the game to help justify why he asked the question about the tie, so if he was so paranoid then about the heavy manipulations why would he ignore the concern with respect to the lynch since they were talking about manipulations in that concern.

4. A smaller thing that pinged me was at one point Havok made the comment that it was obvious Professor X meant Sunfire in his post, as in Sunfire should be lynched. In reality, I never saw anything that led me to believe Prof X wanted Sunfire to be lynched. I thought this was odd at the time but certainly as one individual thing it did not make me want to lynch him.

5. Then Havok called Rasputin a "baddie bully" for saying, "If you like, I can build my case on you like i was planning. I already feel I have plenty to go on, personally, but I'm happy to convince others as well." I don't in any way see that comment as "bullying". Bullying imo would have to include language and actions that were intimidating, among other things. This comment by Rasputin did not rise to that level but Havok decided to use the inflammatory word "bully" to make it seem worse than it really was.

6. Havok also told us at one point to lynch him if we needed to to prove Shadowcat and Domino were bad. Calling for people to lynch them is a baddie play - Havok knew people would say just waht we did say - no Havok, that would prove nothing about the baddieness of Domino or SC. Thus, it was something he could throw out there safely, thinking he would convince us of his civvieness, knowing that we really wouldn't follow up.

7. One of the things Havok keeps saying in regards to his Shadowcat/Domino suspicions is the host would never allow one, much less two info-drops without repercussions. In reality, we don't know if the host allowed that or not. The host is not going to punish info droppers in a way that we can see the punishment, thereby causing us to say -"look, they really were info droppers". As for the host allowing it in the first place, how the heck is he going to stop it before its said? It's not like we all check in with him and say "is this ok to say". Thus, i think this point about not allowing info dropping without repercussions to be not valid.

8. Havok saw the likely brotherhood as Domino, Shadowcat, Banshee, Rasputin, and Sunfire. Since that point in time (which was not long ago) both Domino and Sunfire have been shown to be civ, and it is my personal opinion that Rasputin and Banshee are also civ (I'm a little less sure of Banshee because he hasn't posted as much as Rasputin). Based on my thoughts about those players I see Havok as posting a list of civs here instead of baddies.

9. Finally, Havok's evaluation of Rasputin's votes. Rasputin covered this just a little while ago but I still want to say that Havok tries to make the point that Rasputin's hands are clean - too clean - for him to be a civ. In reality, Rasputin's votes are not all clean, there are two he voted for that were civ. I don't really understand why Havok is trying to make this point when you can look at Rasputin's votes and see his analysis is not true.

So these are the things i saw in my look-back at Havok and it is the collection of these things that lead me to vote for him today.

*vote Havok*

[Gunther]

Which theory? Oh, Havok saying I haven't voted for lynched civs.

I mean, yeah, I can see how it would. I also think it's a weak case, and to my mind, Havok has been so thoroughly discredited that I'd be unlikely to believe just about anything he said. However, as a baddie before I definitely have tried to not lynch too many civs because it looks suspicious.

I did vote to lynch Domino, who, as Havok said, I'm pretty sure now was civ. I voted Polaris, who I'm leaning more civ than baddie on right now, and I also more or less got the lynch train rolling on QS, though I did also try to stop it and not actually vote QS myself. So if he's saying I look too squeaky-clean, he's off base.

I think the past few days speak for themselves, is basically what it comes down to. I haven't voted for lynched civs and I think that's a good thing. I was trying all day yesterday to steer people away from a Sunfire lynch, while Havok and others were steering them toward one. We can all see where that got us.

Linki: Hmm! Maybe more people do believe in Havok than I thought. Thanks for asking me to defend, Spiral.

I have a lot of posts to catch up on since yesterday, but I just had to respond to this one straight away. I have been "thoroughly discredited"??? What exactly have I been "thoroughly discredited" on? My theory is still very much in play. Yes, I voted for Sunfire. That is the only strike against me, and that isn't the strongest point. Yes, I voted for Sunfire, but I was vocal in saying I didn't think that was the best course of action at the time. I went ahead and voted that way because a few people I trusted thought it was the best way to go. You are really selling me being discredited because you know that most of what I've been saying is true.

[Gunther]

Just a theory on Professor X. Maybe he had found Sunfire and recruited him. He wanted to recruit Cyclops next, and so he wanted no one to vote for Sunfire except for Cyclops (hence the info he passed on). A bit of a stretch, but after Sunfire's flip it seems slightly possible.

That is way too risky, and something tells me Cyclops had been recruited by Xavier before that sun post.

I'm just going to respond to things as I read them rather trying to make one big huge catchup post. Why exactly do you think Cyclops was already recruited? I think you're probably wrong on this point. Professor X has to match a player with their role in order to recruit.

[Ned Flanders]

I have to agree, how has Havok been thoroughly discredited? And Longshot, Rasputin has been doing his fair share of steering. Steering is a form of baddie domination, IMO. I am considering a vote for Rasputin due to that.

[Ned Flanders]

Which theory? Oh, Havok saying I haven't voted for lynched civs.

I mean, yeah, I can see how it would. I also think it's a weak case, and to my mind, Havok has been so thoroughly discredited that I'd be unlikely to believe just about anything he said. However, as a baddie before I definitely have tried to not lynch too many civs because it looks suspicious.

I did vote to lynch Domino, who, as Havok said, I'm pretty sure now was civ. I voted Polaris, who I'm leaning more civ than baddie on right now, and I also more or less got the lynch train rolling on QS, though I did also try to stop it and not actually vote QS myself. So if he's saying I look too squeaky-clean, he's off base.

I think the past few days speak for themselves, is basically what it comes down to. I haven't voted for lynched civs and I think that's a good thing. I was trying all day yesterday to steer people away from a Sunfire lynch, while Havok and others were steering them toward one. We can all see where that got us.

Linki: Hmm! Maybe more people do believe in Havok than I thought. Thanks for asking me to defend, Spiral.

I have a lot of posts to catch up on since yesterday, but I just had to respond to this one straight away. I have been "thoroughly discredited"??? What exactly have I been "thoroughly discredited" on? My theory is still very much in play. Yes, I voted for Sunfire. That is the only strike against me, and that isn't the strongest point. Yes, I voted for Sunfire, but I was vocal in saying I didn't think that was the best course of action at the time. I went ahead and voted that way because a few people I trusted thought it was the best way to go. You are really selling me being discredited because you know that most of what I've been saying is true.

That was in reply to this^^

[Gunther]

Gotcha. Just checking.

Pretty sure I did a similar thing. :P By coincidence, as part of a different point I was making, but still.

You did. But I felt like yours was backed more by your case, whereas Havok's was more of an emotional plea.

What? Where did I say I was leaning civ on Polaris? I did not say that.

[Ned Flanders]

This case on Havok reminds me of bad pseudo science pop books, like "Chariots of the Gods", or TV shows about Bigfoot. Someone will say something is a good theory, no matter how ridiculous, and 20 minutes later someone is now saying it is a fact, based on that.

Just because Rasputin says something, does not make it true.

[Gunther]

This case on Havok reminds me of bad pseudo science pop books, like "Chariots of the Gods", or TV shows about Bigfoot. Someone will say something is a good theory, no matter how ridiculous, and 20 minutes later someone is now saying it is a fact, based on that.

Just because Rasputin says something, does not make it true.

I was just thinking the exact same thing. To me, that post looks like it's aimed at people that haven't been paying a lot of attention. Almost every one of those "points" involve twisting of words and facts. Those that have been paying close attention to the game will be able to see that.

[Rachel Green]

This case on Havok reminds me of bad pseudo science pop books, like "Chariots of the Gods", or TV shows about Bigfoot. Someone will say something is a good theory, no matter how ridiculous, and 20 minutes later someone is now saying it is a fact, based on that.

Just because Rasputin says something, does not make it true.

I was just thinking the exact same thing. To me, that post looks like it's aimed at people that haven't been paying a lot of attention. Almost every one of those "points" involve twisting of words and facts. Those that have been paying close attention to the game will be able to see that.

I would be happy for you to point out what points are "twisted" and how they are twisted. If it's true, I don't know why you aren't disputing the points.

[Rachel Green]

Oh, also, nice job trying to insult the people who will actually read the post. I'm sure they are smarter than that though.