Amdibals at the Zoo! [END]

[Urist]

Wow it’s almost as fun watching people react to Urist’s quiet sarcasm as it watching them throw themselves at the wall of elli “Im not going to explain my read but it’s correct” bereth

i'm not sarcastic wtf

Oh right sorry I forgot you’re a Super Serious Mafia Player with no sense of humor.

My bad.

it's true, i'm basically a robot

that's why my reads are always so good

[Urist]

hot take: 1 scum is not voting, and the other two are on their own vanity wagons.

Spoiler: show

112
Voters: nutella, Amy, ColinIsCool

Alison
Voters: tutuu, Urist

Amy
Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, MacDougall

MacDougall
Voters: TonyStarkPrime, protocultures

Carotenoid
Voters: Turnip Head

nutella
Voters: tedxtr

TenThousandCalories
Voters: 112

tutuu
Voters: Alison

No vote / Unvote
Voters: TenThousandCalories, Carotenoid


Voters: None

So that'd mean that one of 10k / Carotte is scum and two of Alison / 112 / tedxtr / TurnipHead are scum.
This read brought to you by a bad analysis that's probably incorrect.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Wow it’s almost as fun watching people react to Urist’s quiet sarcasm as it watching them throw themselves at the wall of elli “Im not going to explain my read but it’s correct” bereth

i'm not sarcastic wtf

Oh right sorry I forgot you’re a Super Serious Mafia Player with no sense of humor.

My bad.

it's true, i'm basically a robot

that's why my reads are always so good

Seems legit

[Urist]

Certainly though, no two scum are voting together. Although with this wagon spread that's almost a tautology.

[Amy]

for the record i think the fact that 112 exists in this state of being arguably consensus scumread but not actually being pushed harder than she is is somewhat wolf indicative

if it were a stagnant runaway wagon then yeah i'd be concerned we were dunking on an LHF villager

but like

people are still running around trying to get their own wagons to take off and surpass 112, there's not that much momentum in favor of actually yeeting her even despite her status on people's readslists

and i think that indicates there are people who feel pressured to not townread her but also would really prefer to vote someone else

i.e. teammates

quite possibly too early for that sort of analysis, but it's a thought i want out there

[Carotenoid]

Going through some ISOs:

TenThousandCalories - This person exists. Have they played with tutuu before? If no #165 is more townie than not but otherwise meh.

TSP - wow I didn't realize he had 20 posts already. Tone is pretty similar to what I know of t!TSP, no idea what his scumgame is like though. His #261 budge me a little though, the "tbh" seems out of character. Still wouldn't vote here today though.

112 - Start with pretty consensus townreads. Vote TenThousandCalories which is okay in the timeline where it happened but the process is ???. I don't know if a wolf would be so... flagrant? about it. Defends Alison which is pretty interesting. PoE.

Turnip Head - Yeah this is super similar to Pyre, not voting here today.

tedxtr - I liked his take on nutella/mac and that he's not afraid to push the only person that's townreading him loudly. Probs not voting here today.

[MacDougall]

@MacDougall is there a chance ur wrong on ur meta townread on nutella? can you explain the read?

Sure. I thought she was mafia. Then I thought she was town. My process of reading nutella is generally to be adamant one way until I am not and then I am again but eventually I figure it out.

[Carotenoid]

I just got off the phone with my wagon analyst, she says that 112 is most likely town here due to lack of momentum on that wagon.

Where is the momentum supposed to come from if 112 were scum?

Her buddies, duh.

what if they're just afk though

I know this game feels slow, but how many AFKers do we actually have? 10k, maybe? I think that most people have logged on since 112 became the thread's pariah, so I'm not sure your counterargument is valid.
I'm ok with slapping a caveat of "if 2 lurkers flip scum, invalidate me" on my analysis. But like... I don't really think that's going to happen.

Hmn yeah I kinda came around to that conclusion about AFKers after ISOing the people I didn't have strong impressions of.
I still think it's a bit early to clear 112 from that alone though, it relies too much on the idea that her teammates would be eager to bus, which really depends on who said teammates are.

[MacDougall]

really annoyed that half a dozen people have tried to discredit me by characterizing my playstyle as being nitpicky but nobody can give actual examples/rationale

Why r u annoyed at that? U were chill at getting called a boring poster and u said thats because ur naturally a calm person whos unlikely to react. What is so offensive about being called a nitpicky poster?

Nitpicky post tbh

[MacDougall]

Idk tutuu I've still never seen you scum and I tinfoiled you wrongly in philosophers bc I thought you could be deep and maybe this is just like that and i should just occam you town but idk your stances feel weird

How are my stances weird

Town tutuu tunneled nutella and hally and amy and they were all town

Its not difficult at all for town!nutella this game to recognize the literal exact same town tutuu

YOU

ARE

MAFIA

X D

X D

X D

I'm not mafia chill lmao


I think I could be wrong about you here just like I was in philosophers like I just said bc I have no idea what your scum game is actually like and maybe I should just assume this is still your town meta

But I don't understand your position on me and alison, like, at all

And your position on 112 is teammatey imo

This reminds me of a time you were mafia

[MacDougall]

Ok I think I have the game solved

[MacDougall]

Mafia team

112
nutella
proto

disgusting

Take proto out and put Urist in

[MacDougall]

Gg see ya day 2

[Carotenoid]

hmn wait wtf @TSP @Proto why are you voting Mac/Joseph?
(@MacDougall Making sure, what do you want to be called?)

[MacDougall]

hmn wait wtf @TSP @Proto why are you voting Mac/Joseph?
(@MacDougall Making sure, what do you want to be called?)

I like ppl to have options

[Carotenoid]

TSP - wow I didn't realize he had 20 posts already. Tone is pretty similar to what I know of t!TSP, no idea what his scumgame is like though. His #261 budge me a little though, the "tbh" seems out of character. Still wouldn't vote here today though.

Actually nevermind he did use "tbh" a couple of times in SF1

[Carotenoid]

hmn wait wtf @TSP @Proto why are you voting Mac/Joseph?
(@MacDougall Making sure, what do you want to be called?)

I like ppl to have options

Hmn okay!

[Amy]

TSP - wow I didn't realize he had 20 posts already. Tone is pretty similar to what I know of t!TSP, no idea what his scumgame is like though. His #261 budge me a little though, the "tbh" seems out of character. Still wouldn't vote here today though.

Actually nevermind he did use "tbh" a couple of times in SF1

this is kind of a weird thing to be focusing on

[Carotenoid]

TSP - wow I didn't realize he had 20 posts already. Tone is pretty similar to what I know of t!TSP, no idea what his scumgame is like though. His #261 budge me a little though, the "tbh" seems out of character. Still wouldn't vote here today though.

Actually nevermind he did use "tbh" a couple of times in SF1

this is kind of a weird thing to be focusing on

Haha it was budging me, I kinda wished it was like a secret wolf tell

[Alison]

Is the tbh tell like the pure tell

Also I agree that scum 112's buddies would feel pressured to bus her but surely they'd secretly want the wagon to fail while saying with their lips that they want the wagon to succeed

So it would have little momentum anyway as scumteam finds excuses to hide on other wagons

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

TSP - wow I didn't realize he had 20 posts already. Tone is pretty similar to what I know of t!TSP, no idea what his scumgame is like though. His #261 budge me a little though, the "tbh" seems out of character. Still wouldn't vote here today though.

Actually nevermind he did use "tbh" a couple of times in SF1

About the same time I was talking to him a bunch in philosopher’s mafia tbh

Coincidence?????

Probably not tbh!

[Alison]

I vaguely recall a theory about nanook using kek more when he's mafia

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I vaguely recall a theory about nanook using kek more when he's mafia

That’s a new one to me!

I think I use tbh less when I’m Mafia but I’m not sure if that’s true or not

[MacDougall]

If anyone is scum reading me they're a bad player regardless of alignment.

Town should just sheep me day 1 and see if I get townier.

Mafia should be always trying to pocket me.

Get gud.

[protocultures]

like holy shit when is "this gif indicates that this argument is w/w" a read that a wolf ever thinks to fake

my scumgame is so triggered right now

[Turnip Head]

[VOTE: Amy] aubergine

Just seeing how it feels to park here for a bit

[protocultures]

Ted idk if we can yeet nutella. MacD has her as top town and 112 also townreading her.

Proto is down for alison yeet. We need to pick 1 between alison and nutella and try to gather allies

Maybe this is like an rpg game where we have to do quests for people to earn their favor and get their votes

For instance:
-kill 10 wild boars for nanook
-bring 7 wild pumpkins for turnip head
-give colin's love letter to carotte

Proto is not down to be yeeting nutella, and is also not yeeting alison D1.

[protocultures]

Colin is town btw

can you say why?

i dont have a TR on colin, and this post from you pinged me funny.

[nutella]

I vaguely recall a theory about nanook using kek more when he's mafia

this exists in my brain too bc Wisp used it a shit ton in jack attack and then right after that I noticed nanook using it a lot in philosophers and almost brought it up but didnt and then he turned out to be scum

[protocultures]

pretty sure it was Alison who was describing that sometimes they like to get scrumread at start of game and then climb out of the hole they dug for themselves as some sort of challenge. Might also be toitally mistaking that for another player. Cant 100% be sure it was alison. If it was, someone else can probably confirm it.

Open wolfing is also something Alison would do as mafia. It is also something they would need to do as actual mafia since they do it as town for balance reasons. You either dont understand this logic, or you do.

I have seen tutuu be more towny when town. She is not lock town to me at the moment. She in POE with everyone else.

No hard town reads or scumreads other than Alison atm.

Joseph prides himself on being good at mafia. He currently thinks I am mafia. Gonna omgus and lean Joseph as mafia here for scumreading me. Not as direct omgus, but more based on the fact that he should be able to read me as town. Granted I havent been very towny, but even so.

This post itself likely to get me more scumread. oh well.

Game is easier if I am scumread because when everyone pockets me as clear town, the game is harder. OMGUS to find the mafia usually isnt a terrible strategy.

... Is Alison a town read or a scum read?

@protocultures You missed this post >:( Anyway:

[...]
Alison - prob still mafia but not voting them day 1 because: they are currently hard defending me when a couple people want to kill me. If they are town, its good I am not pushing them. If they are mafia, they are doing a good job townsiding by pocketing and hard defending me.

I assume I misremembered the name of the player who likes being scumread at start of games to dig themselves out of a hole since Alison is saying this not NOT something she said, and also nobody else remembers this either so think its a conversation I had with someone else in another mafia community. Oddly she notes she thinks I am fabricating this whole thing but still townreads me. Either way, look to point above - Alison is town and defending me or she is hard defending me as mafia, both of which are good for now and why I wont vote her day 1. Kind of unfairly, I will probably always have a suspicion of Alison in every single game I play with them.

My second point on alison i am pretty sure is NOT a lie. That is that they claim mafia on day 0/1 - pretty sure Alison did this in Lion King as town and they did it in this game as well. My point remains that if she will do this as town, she must do this as mafia as well for balance reasons.
[...]

So this implies the first quoted post was a scumread, which is ??? For every reason you think she's mafia you also give the counterargument. Second quote is even worse, t!protocultures doesn't accept nonsense like that and isn't afraid to get engaged against his scumreads.

It doesnt matter what alignbment Alison is for Day 1, because I am not voting them day 1 today. It is beneficial for my alignment if alison stays alive at the moment.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I vaguely recall a theory about nanook using kek more when he's mafia

this exists in my brain too bc Wisp used it a shit ton in jack attack and then right after that I noticed nanook using it a lot in philosophers and almost brought it up but didnt and then he turned out to be scum

I just say kek and tbh a lot lol

If anything I think I use them less as mafia, not sure if that’s an actual thing or not tho

[nutella]

kek is dumb tho

[protocultures]

Mafia team

112
nutella
proto

disgusting

Take proto out and put Urist in

lol did I just need to OMGUS you and vote you to get townread?

i dont like the push on Nutella either.

No idea on 112. I TR Nutella kinda and she seems pretty sure 112 is maf for meta reasons, I assume.

[protocultures]

hmn wait wtf @TSP @Proto why are you voting Mac/Joseph?
(@MacDougall Making sure, what do you want to be called?)

reminds me of lolcat mac/jospeh from space invaders.

[protocultures]

[VOTE: Amy] aubergine

Just seeing how it feels to park here for a bit

welcome to my scum list.

I kinda townread amy.

[protocultures]

I am tracking some behaviour/style tells on Nanook.

He is currently quite different from Lion King but probably need a few more posts and dramayic flips to occur first to confirm.

Nanook was mafia in Lion King for reference.

This does not mean I townread Nanook currently, but prob lean them town if I had to pick one. Which I am not doing, because I dont need to.

Also okay voting turnip today over Mac since Mac isnt getting any traction afaik.

[Amy]

it is extremely strange to be simultaneously a consensus townread and tied for lead wagon

[protocultures]

[mention]Alison[/mention]

can you explain your TR on Ted?

Sabie told me Ted posts a lot like me as town. I saw a bit of that in one of the prev games. I am not seeing it so much here.

if I had to pick, i would lean Ted scum just on that basis without an iso and totally going by memory.

They are also voting on one of my townreads, Nutella.

[protocultures]

it is extremely strange to be simultaneously a consensus townread and tied for lead wagon

id prob flip to save you if needed.

How is that for an open pocket?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

kek is dumb tho

I know it’s fucking annoying right

Im annoyed by it too tbh

But I can’t help it

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I am tracking some behaviour/style tells on Nanook.

He is currently quite different from Lion King but probably need a few more posts and dramayic flips to occur first to confirm.

Nanook was mafia in Lion King for reference.

This does not mean I townread Nanook currently, but prob lean them town if I had to pick one. Which I am not doing, because I dont need to.

Also okay voting turnip today over Mac since Mac isnt getting any traction afaik.

I was town in lion king

[MacDougall]

Mafia team

112
nutella
proto

disgusting

Take proto out and put Urist in

lol did I just need to OMGUS you and vote you to get townread?

i dont like the push on Nutella either.

No idea on 112. I TR Nutella kinda and she seems pretty sure 112 is maf for meta reasons, I assume.

Less to do with you, who is being scummy but being scummy is in the town range of, and more to do with urist, who is being scummy but trying not to be, which is what scum do.

[MacDougall]

hmn wait wtf @TSP @Proto why are you voting Mac/Joseph?
(@MacDougall Making sure, what do you want to be called?)

reminds me of lolcat mac/jospeh from space invaders.

I'm not lolcatting, nor am I playing that much like space invaders, nor is making a meta read on me of all people based on one game a salient idea.

[MacDougall]

Don't worry Amy my vote on you isn't gonna stay there. At best there are about 5 or 6 people right now I'd vote over you and I'm mostly just trying to figure out which of them I should be voting for at present.

[MacDougall]

112 feels scummy, nutella is right, but nutella also came out screaming about 112 scum after I put them in my initial mafia teamlist so it's possible she's just hard distancing. Though when I say it out loud it sounds wrong and just more likely she's got a real scumread there. Either way 112 is bad, Nutella is more tinfoil bad I guess.

Alison is pinging me a lot. She could be mafia.

Amy is probably just town. Her explanation from before when I voted her was pretty clear and reasonable.

Carot is like whatever, town for now cuz I've seen no reason to scumread her.

Colin is nothing like scum colin.

Nook is probably town. He's been pretty straightforward. Unless his entire agenda is to sheep town Mac and help me yeet all his teammates, in which case good for you buddy.

Proto is like scummy, probs will get himself yeeted without me needing to bother solving the slot. Probably will flip town.

Ted is probably mafia. Not that he deserves this read all that much but you know ... he subbed in to the slot at a weird time and it doesn't take much reasoning to figure out why that might be.

TTC is probably town for angleshooty reasons I'm not gonna bother with.

TSP isn't being protown by voting me so if you all want to yeet him for it be my guest. Probs will flip town though.

TH is prolly gonna be misyeet bait and it's up to good town to avoid the temptation.

Tutuu is probably out of scumrange.

Urist is obviously mafia.

[MacDougall]

Actually it's pretty obvious Urist and 112 are partners if you actually bother to read Urist's 112 related content. Urist was taking a really goofy approach to the early 112 suspicion.

what is 112's wolf meta?

I don't see how 112's entrance was scummy, but for every second that passes without a post from her I become more comfortable with the wagon.

This is heavily teammate indicative.

[nutella]

Perhaps

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Who did ted sub in for?

[nutella]

1612

[Amy]