Amdibals at the Zoo! [END]

[Alison]

btw nanook what was it about my third post you found scummy?

Don't brush this off as nitpicking or whatever, it's important to examine the reasons people have for joining the counterwagon to scum to assess if they're genuine

It was your early exhange with tutu and [player I’m forgetting, maybe Proto?]

Your antagonism followed by a townread/not a scum read felt uh

Idk kinda scummy?

Like I’m having trouble quantifying it rn, but that’s the gist

Oh, my earlier discussion with tutuu about the wisdom of early game scumreads. I didn't really see that as NAI tbh and formed my early townread on her for tone reasons.

[Alison]

didn't really see that as AI*

[MacDougall]

Also I checked your ISO and you've had a consistent scumread on Urist but you've only ever explained it as having a partner like interaction with 112 (and a one liner about busywork). So pretty natural for me to remember it as you scumreading Urist for being W/W with 112.

Ok. We'll initially I said he had teammate equity. Much later I said he was naked mafia. I found Urist's content generally random and nonsensical. I believe it's called the plinko board read.

[MacDougall]

I think we will get the 2nd fast but the 3rd is gonna be a pain in the ass to find.

[Amy]

Also I checked your ISO and you've had a consistent scumread on Urist but you've only ever explained it as having a partner like interaction with 112 (and a one liner about busywork). So pretty natural for me to remember it as you scumreading Urist for being W/W with 112.

Ok. We'll initially I said he had teammate equity. Much later I said he was naked mafia. I found Urist's content generally random and nonsensical. I believe it's called the plinko board read.

this is actually an egregious misapplication of the plinko board read

i'll explain this later maybe

[Alison]

Also I checked your ISO and you've had a consistent scumread on Urist but you've only ever explained it as having a partner like interaction with 112 (and a one liner about busywork). So pretty natural for me to remember it as you scumreading Urist for being W/W with 112.

Ok. We'll initially I said he had teammate equity. Much later I said he was naked mafia. I found Urist's content generally random and nonsensical. I believe it's called the plinko board read.

this is actually an egregious misapplication of the plinko board read

i'll explain this later maybe

I was going to say something but I decided I don't care what he calls it as long as the read makes sense

[MacDougall]

Yeah exactly shut up lol

[Alison]

for the record the reason is that the plinko board read is that someone's thought process is the opposite of random and nonsensical - it's a little too planned/biased towards trying to push a specific narrative rather than just a natural progression

on the other hand I think it should just be called "artificial progression" or something instead of a weird reference to plinko boards

[MacDougall]

I found his content too unrelateable ok

[MacDougall]

words are hard sometimes lol

[Amy]

for the record the reason is that the plinko board read is that someone's thought process is the opposite of random and nonsensical - it's a little too planned/biased towards trying to push a specific narrative rather than just a natural progression

on the other hand I think it should just be called "artificial progression" or something instead of a weird reference to plinko boards

yeah this is correct

you have newcomb to thank for the turn of phrase. he's fond of using fancy words to make himself feel smart. also this is pot, happy to report the kettle remains black

[tedxtr]

nice work with that yeet, will jot down thoughts shortly

some level 1 analysis upon skimming is feeling slightly better about alison being the counterwagon to the wolf

I feel like a lot of the thoughts regarding the EoD mirror my takes except for a few things regarding certain players that I'll get down to through ISOing

[tutuu]

-put milk in the bowl before cereal

I feel personally attacked, just:
Milk first is good because you can make better estimation of your milk/cereal ratio & have a better control of the rate of the cereals getting soggy, stop bullying people that put milk first >:(
Also it's easier to put the bowl with milk in the microwave than putting cereal in a bowl and then finding another way of heating your milk but that's another debate I guess

Absolute madlass. She just doesnt care

The day on the apocalypse, the whole world burning, ppl running around screaming, tryin to evacuate, Carotte just be chilling in her kitchen microwaving her cereal milk nay a care in the world

[tutuu]

i think urist is town fuck lol. but then again i also thought 112 was town and nut was maf so im 0/2 so who cares what i think

[tutuu]

why r we all clearing tedxtr btw? i didnt see him in anyone's poe

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Forgot he was playing tbh

Who did he replace again, 1612?

[tutuu]

Forgot he was playing tbh

Who did he replace again, 1612?

yeah but 1612 had no posts iirc so ted was basically with us from the start

[tutuu]

wtf does amdibals mean i googled it but returns nothing

[protocultures]

wtf does amdibals mean i googled it but returns nothing

Animals

[tutuu]

wtf does amdibals mean i googled it but returns nothing

Animals

but why amdibals? is it like, how a toddler would say animals or what?

[tutuu]

anyway ty for telling me proto and sorry if im fluff posting a lot its just whats in my heart and i believe u should always just be honest when ur town and hope for the best

(i wanted to say what i just dreamt)

i had a lucid dream that i was the avatar omg it was fun
i had all the elements except fire
and i could feel the air current against my body as i was jumping in the air and doing acrobatics
and continually every night some goons were trying to raid my village house
and i kicked their asses. on the last day i grew very powerful and and and
i first splashed a giant water spray against them and knocked them off their feet
then i jumped over the fence with air bending and rotated in the air
then i used a combination of all 3 elements to kick them, and right in the end they were all stunned on the ground and i got rly mad
and i earth bended a few piles of asphalt
and i bashed it in their faces with all my strength
and it felt rly good

[ColinIsCool]

Town
tutuu
Amy
Urist
Mac

Carote can be town too

This is not scum reading scum ever imo.

Also 112 spewed Proto town I forgot about that.

is 3 town/1 scum in a townpool something that 112 is inclined towards

i feel like it's the level 1 wolf readslist but idk if 112 would be more likely to just rattle off a bunch of Actual Villagers or smth

I think most players would put at least one teammate in that list, and if it’s any of them Urist is the only one that makes sense. Mac might already be deep but I’m not gonna entertain that yet

[ColinIsCool]

i'm probably gonna poke around for some old 112 games just to confirm mac's meta tbh

but if it holds then yeah we can honestly just go urist=>10k and see what happens

Where does Nanook fall into this? How does Nanook compare to 10k

nanook is always going to be a hard read for me because he plays the early portions of every game basically the same way, which is to say that he doesn't

i think urist is always the wolfiest player in the game atm and i think that, pending 112 metadive, mac's spew read is a pretty bad look for 10k, which would leave nanook the villager out of the 3

it's not at all clearing, though, and i wouldn't be particularly surprised at any combination of 2 wolves and a villager in that pool

[2]

[MacDougall]

i am 1000% not giving any scum reads this game, let's see how it works out for me

i'm ok with being yeeted here, i know what i signed up for when i defended 112 so it's fine.

but the mafia are probably in the people who scumread 112 but didn't vote until late in the day.

mac is actually obvious scum at this point, calling me scum with 112 and then voting for ME instead of 112 is outing.

Well that was a lie.

i feel like i'm watching me vs alison from lion king act out in this game. this is prob just tvt.
tutuu, if i found an instance or two where alison was nitpicky as town, would you accept my findings?

This post is pretty hard to read as mafia though. If Alison is town. It's sub optimal to force a townread on someone like Alison here. But then he's done the opposite towards me and I suppose having open warfare with multiple players could just be something Urist is looking to avoid.

[mention]Urist[/mention] you had a "lean town" read on TTC quite early. TTC's post history is pure null to me. Can you explain that read?

[tedxtr]

Mac -

So, after ISOing I came to the conclusion that he's likely doing his own thing and it's just a playstyle difference that he's trying to adopt. (in regards to first posting hunting, etc etc)

The constant shading of nutella and then town reading her and flip flopping that much when he ended up on 112 is actually >rand v.

Why? I don't really see the motivation for why he'd do it as a wolf. Ending up on the wagon, still calling her scum and calling the main pusher of 112 (now flipped mafia) scum feels like something counterintuitive when you're like 10 minutes away from flipping 112 wolf and having that knowledge as a wolf.

The only concern I have with him currently is the fact that he'd claim that he'd still be tunneling nutella here - which seems really fake and came more as a bravado thing and a thing I often do as wolf in order to repress my guilty conscious.

It's a somewhat reachy thing though and he looks predominantly good just based on the horrible progression that I think a wolf would be very uncomfortable with. I think on balance the strength of this evidence outweighs the mini tinfoil I have boiled up on him.

[ColinIsCool]

Urist -> 10k -> TSP -> Nanook -> Carotte -> Alison at f5 -> (then depends on flips) would be my poe i guess

Why Carotte?

[tedxtr]

why r we all clearing tedxtr btw? i didnt see him in anyone's poe

I think I'm in PoE's it's just that people have me as more likely villager in the back of their minds probably.

that and I'm a cutie

[ColinIsCool]

Heating the milk

What

[2]

[tedxtr]

I'm currently rocking an Alison - Mac - proto kinda town core and I'm probably going to sheep them if they come together.

At the moment I like the Urist pressure so keep on rocking that boat, I'll look for more UTR people.

[MacDougall]

why r we all clearing tedxtr btw? i didnt see him in anyone's poe

I think I'm in PoE's it's just that people have me as more likely villager in the back of their minds probably.

that and I'm a cutie

You've just had reasonable posts tbh.

[ColinIsCool]

why r we all clearing tedxtr btw? i didnt see him in anyone's poe

Yeah he’s POE imo

[tedxtr]

why r we all clearing tedxtr btw? i didnt see him in anyone's poe

I think I'm in PoE's it's just that people have me as more likely villager in the back of their minds probably.

that and I'm a cutie

You've just had reasonable posts tbh.

Also feel like I should mention the fact that I'm very anti-bus mentality in general - so me not caring at all about 112's slot is actually kinda villagery fmpov

I don't expect to be cleared off that alone but found it worth mentioning because people can back that up.

[ColinIsCool]

Town: Alison, Amy, Mac, Wilgy, tutuu

Lean town: Carotenoid, proto

Lean bad: tedxtr, Nanook, 10K, TSP, Urist

[ColinIsCool]

Ehhh ted going hard in the paint to “bury” nutella D1 does not feel anything like a wolf push so he’s probably good.

[ColinIsCool]

Broseph can we invite tony to the skanky slanky club now that he isn’t scumreading you

yes

also i am happy to be the captain of the slank club but i'm not like slanking and i'm offended at being accused of it

i've just decided by days of being an ott pest of a town that disagrees with everyone is not me anymore

I mean none of us are truly slanking but someone lumped us in as slankers so I’m going with it

Mostly cause it rhymes with skanky

ftr I didn’t know slanky meant lazy, meant to say you were all kinda in the background and possibly shady from it

[ColinIsCool]

Nanook is highly choppable imo. He’s busy with other games yeah but there’s not anything in his ISO that yells town to me. Will probably reread to view 112 relationship

[tutuu]

Urist -> 10k -> TSP -> Nanook -> Carotte -> Alison at f5 -> (then depends on flips) would be my poe i guess

Why Carotte?

why not?

[tutuu]

why r we all clearing tedxtr btw? i didnt see him in anyone's poe

I think I'm in PoE's it's just that people have me as more likely villager in the back of their minds probably.

that and I'm a cutie

second part is def true!

[Urist]

those are actual good points

No. Neither of them are good points. Scum reading 112 and Urist and voting for Urist just means I had a bigger scum read on Urist. You will find this in keeping with the reality.

Voting not Urist right now is partly for the same reason I didn't just vote 112 day 1. Why bother? His wagon is formed and everybody seems at peace with it. I'll be of more use elsewhere.

So no.

You had a maf read on 112 the entire day. I don't recall whom you were voting before me, but it sure wasn't 112. And to stay on me when it was clear that Alison was being wagoned and there was a chance of 112 not beng yeeted... yuck. If you were town, I think you'd have abandoned your read on me and wagoned 112 a lot earlier. You only voted 112 when it was already decided.

If you actually thought I was outed scum, you'd just vote for me.

[MacDougall]

Okay here's my state of play.

Firstly, I have no issue with anyone pushing Urist right now. Town have every right to be pushing there right now. If Urist does flip town it obviously becomes possible that there is a mafia there. Probably not both though because it's just not generally what mafia do. I am more tempted to think that there is no mafia voting there at all though. I think Nook and Tutuu voting there is particularly useful for my analysis. After being on the wrong wagon day 1, deferring to the towncore here is kinda what I'd expect them to do as town moreso than mafia. Presuming Urist is town, I'd get the sense that if Nook and/or Tutuu, both being active and contributory players, would find it quite easy to just townread him, watch him go over from the townies pushing on him and start building future misyeets elsewhere or look for ways to get themselves more town cleared. Nook in particular voting against his gut on Urist is not how I expect him to play it as mafia. He's not playing to future outs. How does he win doing this? Presuming Urist is mafia, if either of them are his last teammate I'd expect them to be trying harder to push onto other people, and again, build their future outs. As for the rest of the voters ... at this point I just can't find fault in them.

So next we look at those pushing others. We have TSP out on his own trying to push someone who is in basically everyone's towncore in Amy. TSP probably knows that's going nowhere, so you have to ask why? If TSP is a mafia and knows Urist is going to flip town it would be a reasonable thing to be pushing Amy now, not to get traction there, but because you would need to start building towards further misyeets. Is Amy the optimal push? Well, maybe not but you gotta push somewhere and if your other partner is actually in the POE, you gotta push into the towncore. It's probably optimal mafia play to be pushing off town Urist right now. He and Wilgy are the ones earnestly doing this the most. Wilgy opening up future pathways towards Nook and Tutuu. TSP pushing towards Amy. Carotenoid is also obviously pushing someone else right now, but isn't doing near the convincing job that the other two are.

Nanook is at face value a fair place to be voting if you're town and aren't feeling the Urist suspicion. Right now if I was mafia with Nanook (and not Urist) I could see myself being tempted to just vote Nook and push there, but you'd also run the risk of needing to follow through with it immediately given how low in the POE he is. Mafia aren't going to win this game if they bus again this quickly, or find themselves cornered into doing so by a cadre of players more town read than them. This makes me think that it's a little more likely that Nook is being set up by one mafia to be tomorrow's misyeet. DrWilgy townshielded me quite a bit, and if he wants to be pro Mac then I'll just give him a pass on this for a day. I don't think Wilgy is usually the sort of person who will hard side with town me after subbing into that slot. Particularly not to the level of providing meta reason to townread me. It's too nuanced. But, here I am now townshielding him in return a lil so it wouldn't be without merit either. I guess if I die next over someone more townread than me (which I think Amy and Alison are) then come back to this because that's going to explain Wilgy's soft approach with me. Yes I am saying if I die that it's probably Wilgy firing (TSP giving up pushing me earlier also means he can be responsible for such a shot). Actually tbh it's totally possible that Wilgy has just come into the game and told TSP to let big mac do big mac things and just deal with me on n2.

Carotenoid being on Nook right now, after being on Alison day 1, is not a great look. If Urist just flips mafia it's a very bad look. Carotenoid has admitted Urist is POE, provided a POE of:

tutuu
Urist
TSP
Nanook
TTC

and then voted Nook.

hmmmn
[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

Idk how to describe it, it kinda feels like Nanook cares more than usually about what other people think of him while also trying to "minimize" his reads. Like, he cares to be seen positively, but not to push his reads.

The hmmmm and reasoning provided isn't super townie. It's one of the least compelling reasons I've seen for a push.

So, if Urist flips mafia here, the teammate is very likely to just be Carotenoid. Given that... I kinda don't think Urist is gonna. Because I think 112 spewed Carotte town. So if/when Urist flips town, yeet TSP into the sun. Carotenoid/Wilgy being a flip for the third depending on NKA and what they do next.

And fwiw I am at this point like 70% sure Urist is town and also I still think that 112 spewed Carotte town. 112's interactions with TH and TSP are null, which is bad because 112 has spewed quite a lot of town I think.

Tl;dr I think that the mafia are TSP/Wilgy. Mmm. Actually 100% into this. TH, TSP and Wilgy would all just brutally execute Nutella. Nutella might have got to TH being town at some point but pushed him hard earlier. 112 also did vote TH on day 1, and as I said 112 loves to get some distance voting in early.

If there ain't one in TSP or Wilgy I'll eat a shoe.

[Urist]

i'm ok with being yeeted here, i know what i signed up for when i defended 112 so it's fine.

but the mafia are probably in the people who scumread 112 but didn't vote until late in the day.

mac is actually obvious scum at this point, calling me scum with 112 and then voting for ME instead of 112 is outing.

So in your opinion it makes more sense for a 112 teammate to late vote 112 when 112 can still be saved than any other alternative?

I voted at 6-5 15 before eod. If I don't vote there any dumb fuck thing could happen. I am the least likely teammate on vote analysis. I am effectively responsible for hammering day 1. It's not out of my range to do but I wait til much later to determine whether I need to. I don't just throw away teammates for the fuck of it.

Wilgy is right about my meta. He scummed with me in pyre.

112 could not be saved, give me a break. Nobody was posting at EoD. Of all the votes on that wagon, yours is certainly the least impactful and the most likely to come from a partner.

[ColinIsCool]

Urist -> 10k -> TSP -> Nanook -> Carotte -> Alison at f5 -> (then depends on flips) would be my poe i guess

Why Carotte?

why not?

I asked you first

[MacDougall]

those are actual good points

No. Neither of them are good points. Scum reading 112 and Urist and voting for Urist just means I had a bigger scum read on Urist. You will find this in keeping with the reality.

Voting not Urist right now is partly for the same reason I didn't just vote 112 day 1. Why bother? His wagon is formed and everybody seems at peace with it. I'll be of more use elsewhere.

So no.

You had a maf read on 112 the entire day. I don't recall whom you were voting before me, but it sure wasn't 112. And to stay on me when it was clear that Alison was being wagoned and there was a chance of 112 not beng yeeted... yuck. If you were town, I think you'd have abandoned your read on me and wagoned 112 a lot earlier. You only voted 112 when it was already decided.

If you actually thought I was outed scum, you'd just vote for me.

I didn't vote on 112 til late EOD because I live in Australia and EOD is my morning (10am to be precise), I got drunk the night before and woke up later than usual cuz it was a public holiday and didn't come back to the game until the moment I started posting which was like 15 before EOD.

You're probably right that I would have abandoned my vanity wagon and wagoned 112 earlier but I did it as early as was logistically possible. Consider that you are saying I'd be town for voting on 112 early, now consider that I showed up with 15 to go and voted 112 basically immediately. So I actually did get my vote off you and onto 112 as early as I really could have ie. I didn't just hold the vote til it was optimal like you're accusing me of. That would have been more like with 1-2 mins to go. To give my teammate time to shake suspicion off or a town to errantly vote. I had no idea what was going on in that EOD. I just showed up and yolo voted 112 over Alison because Alison just looked way townier than 112 and the wagons were formed.

[Urist]

i am 1000% not giving any scum reads this game, let's see how it works out for me

i'm ok with being yeeted here, i know what i signed up for when i defended 112 so it's fine.

but the mafia are probably in the people who scumread 112 but didn't vote until late in the day.

mac is actually obvious scum at this point, calling me scum with 112 and then voting for ME instead of 112 is outing.

Well that was a lie.

i feel like i'm watching me vs alison from lion king act out in this game. this is prob just tvt.
tutuu, if i found an instance or two where alison was nitpicky as town, would you accept my findings?

This post is pretty hard to read as mafia though. If Alison is town. It's sub optimal to force a townread on someone like Alison here. But then he's done the opposite towards me and I suppose having open warfare with multiple players could just be something Urist is looking to avoid.

@Urist you had a "lean town" read on TTC quite early. TTC's post history is pure null to me. Can you explain that read?

What can I say, old habits die hard.

10k's early posting had decent timing & seemed casual enough in context. You probably won't get that from the iso. Given that he hasn't posted since then I doubt the read still holds water.

[MacDougall]

i'm ok with being yeeted here, i know what i signed up for when i defended 112 so it's fine.

but the mafia are probably in the people who scumread 112 but didn't vote until late in the day.

mac is actually obvious scum at this point, calling me scum with 112 and then voting for ME instead of 112 is outing.

So in your opinion it makes more sense for a 112 teammate to late vote 112 when 112 can still be saved than any other alternative?

I voted at 6-5 15 before eod. If I don't vote there any dumb fuck thing could happen. I am the least likely teammate on vote analysis. I am effectively responsible for hammering day 1. It's not out of my range to do but I wait til much later to determine whether I need to. I don't just throw away teammates for the fuck of it.

Wilgy is right about my meta. He scummed with me in pyre.

112 could not be saved, give me a break. Nobody was posting at EoD. Of all the votes on that wagon, yours is certainly the least impactful and the most likely to come from a partner.

No, you give ME a break.

I came back and it was 6-5 with 15 to go. Anything could have happened had I not voted. To say my vote is the least impactful is actually just wrong on so many levels. My vote literally ended any chance 112 had of surviving. Now if you re-read EOD you can see 112's reaction to that in real time too.

[MacDougall]

Here's a sequence.

sorry for not participating much, i've been super depressed lately

in my defence i'm not mafia. that is all.

112 still trying to earnestly survive. No lolcatting here.

DEAD AIR DEAD VILAGER DIAED AIR DEAD Vlasti

TSP who I am currently pretty convinced is mafia was actually chaos posting trying to create EOD turmoil.

dadv

112 still trying to earnestly survive. No lolcatting.

Oh hai

I show up.

[VOTE: 112] aubergine

Immediately vote 112.

Oh hai

Bye.

112 gives up, stops posting.

[MacDougall]

I'm no risk of being yeeted but given I actually kind of think Urist is town now (and Nook too tbh) it's important you stop omgussing me Urist.

[Urist]

Mac -

So, after ISOing I came to the conclusion that he's likely doing his own thing and it's just a playstyle difference that he's trying to adopt. (in regards to first posting hunting, etc etc)

The constant shading of nutella and then town reading her and flip flopping that much when he ended up on 112 is actually >rand v.

Why? I don't really see the motivation for why he'd do it as a wolf. Ending up on the wagon, still calling her scum and calling the main pusher of 112 (now flipped mafia) scum feels like something counterintuitive when you're like 10 minutes away from flipping 112 wolf and having that knowledge as a wolf.

The only concern I have with him currently is the fact that he'd claim that he'd still be tunneling nutella here - which seems really fake and came more as a bravado thing and a thing I often do as wolf in order to repress my guilty conscious.

It's a somewhat reachy thing though and he looks predominantly good just based on the horrible progression that I think a wolf would be very uncomfortable with. I think on balance the strength of this evidence outweighs the mini tinfoil I have boiled up on him.

He probably already planned on killing nutella and wanted to call her scum because "why would anyone do that as mafia", i.e. to get the read you're currently giving him.

I used to nk my scumreads as mafia all the time, trying to capitalize on the logic of "why would he kill someone who he thought could be executed". But in the end I realized the better logical route is "why would mafia kill someone a townie was tunneled on", so I stopped doing it.

[MacDougall]

I do not believe that mafia intended to bus 112 day 1. That's not to say that mafia didn't vote there. TSP voted there super early after a meme cop claim and it is my view that he could not rationalise a way to vote elsewhere because he'd locked himself too hard onto the 112 read. But three times he tried to damage the credibility of the wagon. Firstly he said that 112 was being pushed by mafia no matter how she'd flip, secondly he said that 112/TH voting together on someone looked t/t when someone else (tutuu I think) posited that they actually looked w/w and the other time was right at EOD when he made that chaos DADV yelly post.

So it's highly unlikely to me that anyone on the wagon can be a busser, except for just him.

TSP also immediately got to work on day 2 looking for bussers. Strange behaviour for someone who voted 112 himself. Why is he convinced in the lack of credibility of the wagon? Nobody else voting on the wagon is really looking for bussers? I mean I sort of am right now but everyone else is just voting for Urist here. He kicked dirt all over my shoes first, got nowhere, and is now trying to kick dirt on Amy's shoes. If you consider what the agenda of a mafia team that lost someone day 1 unexpectedly would be, I think it's pretty apparent that there is one person in the game right now that is living up to the standard required. You need misyeets. He's working on them. So is Wilgy. Tutuu and Nook are low hanging fruit. TSP is working on creating tinfoil.

[tutuu]

Urist -> 10k -> TSP -> Nanook -> Carotte -> Alison at f5 -> (then depends on flips) would be my poe i guess

Why Carotte?

why not?

I asked you first

no like literally why not put her in the poe? i mean i townread her so there are 4 other ppl before her but why not