I guess I don’t have a reason, I was just curious for yours.tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:48 amno like literally why not put her in the poe? i mean i townread her so there are 4 other ppl before her but why not
Where does ted fit in?
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I guess I don’t have a reason, I was just curious for yours.tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:48 amno like literally why not put her in the poe? i mean i townread her so there are 4 other ppl before her but why not
i forgot about him when writing that post but i view him very similarly to carotte. i townread him based off tone and thats itColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:48 amI guess I don’t have a reason, I was just curious for yours.tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:48 amno like literally why not put her in the poe? i mean i townread her so there are 4 other ppl before her but why not
Where does ted fit in?
On mobile so going to reply to your long posts here.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:40 am I'm no risk of being yeeted but given I actually kind of think Urist is town now (and Nook too tbh) it's important you stop omgussing me Urist.
The way 112 finessed their way into pushing on Colin is also not very teammate likely.112 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:09 am Amy and tutuu are both involved in the game in a way I wouldn't expect they could create as scum- townleans there still.
Urist seems to be coasting a little bit and isn't offering too much of substance, but I like their tone and they seem to be inside a cocoon of genuine uncertainty around the gamestate. I maintain my townlean.
Colin is way on the outskirts of things, dropping in to comment little bits here and there without much solving actions. I think he's a good person to put under the microscope.
I feel like 112 was actually trying to drum up interest in Colin. And also somewhat ironically the fact that 112 didn't ever actually vote him makes it more likely that it was legit and not just for distance cred. 112 votes teammates.112 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 1:29 pmstrawmanning is always wolfyColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:26 pm“Here are things Colin did”
[SLIDE MISSING]
“And that concludes my discussion of why they’re scummy”
Okay so like, firstly, I literally am totally capable of just yolo tying the votes there. It's in my range as either alignment. All I'd need to do is find one Alison post that was remotely odd and vote with the word "yolo" and we have a tie. I could absolutely have done that as town. It's fortunate for the town that I wasn't in a rambunctious mood. Secondly there are many other players in this game capable of flipping. Hell TSP looked like he was prepping to himself with the DADV post.Urist wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:03 amOn mobile so going to reply to your long posts here.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:40 am I'm no risk of being yeeted but given I actually kind of think Urist is town now (and Nook too tbh) it's important you stop omgussing me Urist.
Fair enough re: timezones, I kinda forgot about that. But I still don't agree that your vote was impactful. I highly doubt that anyone in this game would be stupid enough to tie the vote, as either alignment. Especially since I think I was the only one who'd expressed a serious townread on 112.
Re: TSP... I absolutely agree on your analysis of TSP, he was probably my second choice yesterday and is definitely a valid option today for reasons I've already stated.
Re: Wilgy... I don't necessarily agree with this. I did heavily dislike the fact that he didn't post on d1, not even a "hi", considering he was active enough to post a few times in the upick discord. It looks especially bad knowing that 112 was mafia. The thing that gives me pause though is that in the middle of the day, 112 placed a silent third vote on Wilgy / TH. It's hard for me to see this as w/w, considering it was the 3rd vote and TH was probably a viable wagon at that point. I'd be tempted to say that Wilgy is spewed town if it weren't for the +wolf stuff I mentioned. In any case, I don't think Wilgy is a great option today.
Macdougall;3502111 wrote:Okay that took way too long and was probably overkill but here's the results.
112 spent 211 minutes on Evenstar, 4340 on HATER, 256 on FTFlush for a total of 4807 minutes on wolves, first place!
Adrian spent 1183 minutes on Evenstar, 2784 minutes on HATER, 106 minutes on FTFlush for a total of 4073 minutes, second place!
Mac spent 4 minutes (lol) on Evenstar, 2744 minutes on HATER and 987 minutes on FTFlush for a total of 3735 (third place)
Tex spent 761 minutes on Evenstar, 1721 minutes on HATER and 884 minutes on FTFlush for a total of 3366 minutes (fourth place!)
Vanity spent 228 minutes on Evenstar, 811 minutes on HATER and 1652 on FTFlush (the most by far) for a total of 2691 (fifth place).
So we'll call that analysis the "wolf vote pressure quotient" and add that one to the big book of analytics that actually works to find wolves because Vanity is a wolf, and he came last in it, so therefore it's a thing.
Yah.
Am I tunneled? I just got online and am catching up as quickly as possible (and trying to keep up tbh, I'm multitasking and certain people are flooding the thread).MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:52 am I was reevaluating on Urist but his omgussing and tunneling of me while I am town reading him and trying to solve his slot is swinging me back the other way a bit tbh.
World 1 - Urist is mafia. TSP = Carotte > Wilgy > TTC POE.
World 2 - Urist is town. TSP/Wilgy are lock mafia.
Amy, Alison, Tutuu, Nook, Tedxtr, Colin, Protocultures are townreads for various different reasons right now.
This is the way. Sheep this.
I mean I just posted why. Just read it.protocultures wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:14 am I don't want to vote tutuu today but can some people give their views? This whole submissive "will sheep towncore votes" feels off to me. I don't scumread them enough to vote them but it doesn't feel right or normal. Anyone else?
I feel like carot is still trying to solve my slot so want to lean them town still and won't vote them today. Also they might make a cool presentation again and who wants to miss that?
Mac - still undecided on. They seem to be going powertown mode now for some reason. They aren't being super sussed following 111 flip anyway so maybe this is the example of "sometimes Mac just spews himself town"?
I don't have a strong read on TSP but I don't see the reason Mac super scumreads them. They have more meta together I guess. Is anyone other than Mac super scumreading them?
Nanooks spamming of shrug emoji now means something, I just don't know what.
10k probably an easy misyeet for being low post count.
I can never read Urist at all and when I try, I am still wrong so never going to "make a case" against them and lead a charge for their head.
I would probably be okay flipping turnip/Dr today. I don't read too much into interactions or votes or kills etc. Just vote scummy kinda people. This is nothing scummy Dr has done btw, all turnip head. Maybe that's bad but unless I see wagons forming threatening my townreads or it becomes clear my vote is a useless vanity vote, I'm okay parking my vote there for now.
[VOTE: wilco] aubergine
Some more notes regarding 112 voting teammates.Macdougall;3502114 wrote:112 Notes - Ended day one on CCC mislynch. Opened day 2 on FTFlush and first vote change was to HATER. Post #3094 he unvoted HATER just so he could vote HATER again. He was on wolves for literally the entirety of day 2 switching only between HATER and FTFlush.
Adrian notes - Up until the HATER vote on day 2, Adrian hadn't voted for a wolf yet except for Evenstar which he slept on the vote of. He did have his vote on HATER and Flush on day 2. LEFT HIS VOTE ON FLUSH! Voted HATER 2 hours after day start on day 3 and left it there for nearly 48 fucking hours.
Vanity notes - Voted FTFlush for a massive chunk of day 1 but didn't end there. One of few players who actually voted for Evenstar in the day 2 chaos but ended up on Nutella with me. Vanity's day 3 is weird because he actually votes really infrequently compared to everyone else. He doesn't get his vote onto HATER until it's absolutely last minute. Does end there though. Is the first vote on Evenstar on day 4, wasn't around when I came online and made the strong case that led to myself and 112 hammering her though. (I had written HATER there before but it was actually FTFlush that he had his vote on for ages on day 1).
Tex notes - Had an Evenstar and a Flush vote on day 1. Noice. All over Flush/HATER day 2 like stink on shit brah. Did bite at the Grape counterwagon AND the Evenstar counterwagon. Funny, got off Grape to get onto Evenstar is something nobody else did and feels like something a wolf wouldn't have done there. Went for the Nut lynch like me. Oh well, we can't all be fucking 112 and Adrian can we. Took a while to get to HATER on day 3, but stuck there. Everyone's day 3 is clean except Vanity's really. He was last to jump onto HATER and spent the least amount of time pressuring wolf.
Self notes - I didn't vote a single wolf on day 1 despite suspecting heaps of them. I fucking suck. Got a vote on Flush on day 2 for a while and switched to HATER. Seems everyone was doing that. I am the suck for getting off the Flush wagon on day 2. Voted HATER on day 3 and stayed there all day long.
i saw it happening live. 112 did in fact change votes without posting anything itt, both before and after the vote change. i think the vote change was never explained even but i could be wrong.Urist wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:32 pmWait did 112 seriously show up to change her vote from 10k to Wilgy without posting?Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:19 pm Votecount
112 (3): nutella, Amy, ColinIsCool
Alison (2): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, tutuu
Amy (1): Turnip Head
ColinIsCool (1): TonyStarkPrime
MacDougall (2): protocultures, tedxtr
Turnip Head/DrWilgy (3): 112, Alison, Urist
Urist (1): MacDougall
112 & Alison voting Turnip Head together is making me shiver. Could it be w/w? hmmn maybe.
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:10 pm I am going to reread 112’s posts and perhaps highlight anything I find that I dislike.
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:15 pmThis post again is like, what. The first graf is sensible enough but the second has that wishy-washy hesitancy and the third is just incorrigible. It is worth noting that 112 suggested I be put under a microscope but made no effort to do so.112 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:09 am Amy and tutuu are both involved in the game in a way I wouldn't expect they could create as scum- townleans there still.
Urist seems to be coasting a little bit and isn't offering too much of substance, but I like their tone and they seem to be inside a cocoon of genuine uncertainty around the gamestate. I maintain my townlean.
Colin is way on the outskirts of things, dropping in to comment little bits here and there without much solving actions. I think he's a good person to put under the microscope.
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:19 pmJustification in an earlier post being “I didn’t like the post I saw from them”. “Disgusting.”
i personally and subjectively perceive this as not very natural / flowy. i just read it and it looks artificial (to me)ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:21 pm [VOTE: 112] aubergine on the basis of my recent posts and I trust that wagon (nutella and Amy) more than the others.
Making a big deal about being wrong is something I never read as town, and tutuu is doing just that so she does ping me a little. She also pushed the Alison wagon, which if I'm being real is +wolf. I realize I did this myself but it is what it is.protocultures wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:14 am I don't want to vote tutuu today but can some people give their views? This whole submissive "will sheep towncore votes" feels off to me. I don't scumread them enough to vote them but it doesn't feel right or normal. Anyone else?
I feel like carot is still trying to solve my slot so want to lean them town still and won't vote them today. Also they might make a cool presentation again and who wants to miss that?
Mac - still undecided on. They seem to be going powertown mode now for some reason. They aren't being super sussed following 111 flip anyway so maybe this is the example of "sometimes Mac just spews himself town"?
I don't have a strong read on TSP but I don't see the reason Mac super scumreads them. They have more meta together I guess. Is anyone other than Mac super scumreading them?
Nanooks spamming of shrug emoji now means something, I just don't know what.
10k probably an easy misyeet for being low post count.
I can never read Urist at all and when I try, I am still wrong so never going to "make a case" against them and lead a charge for their head.
I would probably be okay flipping turnip/Dr today. I don't read too much into interactions or votes or kills etc. Just vote scummy kinda people. This is nothing scummy Dr has done btw, all turnip head. Maybe that's bad but unless I see wagons forming threatening my townreads or it becomes clear my vote is a useless vanity vote, I'm okay parking my vote there for now.
[VOTE: wilco] aubergine
I see your argument, it just doesnt convince me TSP is mafia.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:43 am @protocultures summary of TSP suspicion for your easy reading:
TSP's read on 112 in the first place was clearly a meme.
Several times during the day TSP soft defended 112 and also was working to damage the credibility of the wagon, while remaining on it. The first time was in boldly claiming that regardless of 112's flip that TSP believed mafia was pushing there. TSP didn't explain why. Can you rationalise why TSP would think so? I personally tend towards thinking that those that share my suspicions are >rand town, so it doesn't sit right for TSP to just boldly declare that. If TSP thought this, why did TSP continue to vote there? What is the motive for TSP to vote with mafia as town? The second time was when Tutuu observed 112 and TH voting together, she opined that it might be w/w, TSP suddenly pivots to disagree with her take and speculates that it makes him think perhaps the opposite. Yet he still ends up voting 112. The third time, and this is probably the most glaring. Is by mentioning DADV at EOD. DADV = dead air dead villager. It basically means that if there is no movement at EOD it is usually indicative of a villa yeet. Given it wasn't a villa yeet at all, this is easily to be taken as TSP trying to get people to look elsewhere and trying to encourage a CFD. Again he did this without having the courage to move his vote or actually push anyone else.
Fast forward to day 2 and you have TSP immediately declaring that it's a guaranteed bus and pushing into firm towncore twice. Firstly he arbitrarily accuses me of being the busser and when that went nowhere, he flips to town reading me and lands on Amy instead. I consider this behaviour well aligned with what I'd expect from a mafioso that lost a teammate day 1 voting on them. I consider it severely misaligned with how a town on a successful wagon would view that wagon.
TSP has the most wolfy agenda of anyone in the game. It is not hard at all to see many of his decisions as mafia agenda.
haha I had to play out of TS to get a forum win...tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:02 am if we lose this will be my 5th loss in a row on syndicate. 5 games 5 losses. would feel legit heartbroken, please lets win guys ;-;. ill try my best and stuff and if u want me to do something more or differently or something ill do anything that u ask of me i just wanna win and i hope i dont throw please please please
If Urist is mafia (which you admit is a real possibility), what do you expect nanook and tutuu to do as scum?MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:28 am I think Nook and Tutuu voting there is particularly useful for my analysis. After being on the wrong wagon day 1, deferring to the towncore here is kinda what I'd expect them to do as town moreso than mafia. Presuming Urist is town, I'd get the sense that if Nook and/or Tutuu, both being active and contributory players, would find it quite easy to just townread him, watch him go over from the townies pushing on him and start building future misyeets elsewhere or look for ways to get themselves more town cleared. Nook in particular voting against his gut on Urist is not how I expect him to play it as mafia. He's not playing to future outs.
Okay, so you do think Urist should be flipped and that the way people acted around the wagon is going to be AI. Cool. I have a decent chance of dying tonight so it's up to you guys to solve the game after Urist flips regardless. I do think you should be considering people like nook in worlds that Urist is mafia, because I think nook is sort of locked into voting his teammate there (very unlikely Urist will survive the day and if nook is caught off-wagon he's a dead man). Same for tutuu to a lesser extent although her behavior today has made me want to townread her more.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:52 am I was reevaluating on Urist but his omgussing and tunneling of me while I am town reading him and trying to solve his slot is swinging me back the other way a bit tbh.
World 1 - Urist is mafia. TSP = Carotte > Wilgy > TTC POE.
World 2 - Urist is town. TSP/Wilgy are lock mafia.
Amy, Alison, Tutuu, Nook, Tedxtr, Colin, Protocultures are townreads for various different reasons right now.
This is the way. Sheep this.
no tutuu, colin lock town
Carotte was on me over 112.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:52 am Actually it makes Carotenoid more town because it's a justification for being on Alison over 112. Carotenoid is just town I think. 112 spew plus this.
honestly i don't think I've ever seen this tell actually be correct
frankly this household sounds extremely dysfunctional
Seriously, don't waste your time or energy considering worlds where I flip mafia.Alison wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:56 pm Okay so I'm not super on my game since I'm busy with other stuff but I gave it a brief think and I sort of think Urist/TSP is a possible scumteam. Urist made some noise about voting TSP and even offering to go off my wagon to vote him, but reversed that read/folded up the pressure afterwards, which makes me think it can be an attempt at looking unaligned without the actual followthrough. I don't actually think TSP was particularly locked into his read and could easily have shifted wagons, but the most obvious possibility for why he didn't as wolf was that his teammate was already on the Alison wagon and he really didn't want to have the whole scumteam pile on the counterwagon and get instantly POE'd.
I do it all the time as scum which is why I'm skeptical about clearing someone off it. You go "okay, X, Y and Z are town" and then later on belatedly say "oh I guess A exists too, she's town as well". It's an easy way of making you two look slightly unaligned because mafia members don't usually forget the existence of their teammates. Which isn't to say that scum don't actually do this to town, it's to say that it's a very easy to fake interaction, and a fairly commonly faked one too.
If I were a wolf I would know I'm getting yeeted and would def be distancing here. Therefore if I were mafia, TSP is almost certainly mafia as well. Ergo the correct yeet is TSP.
Yeah I haven’t had a good scum game in a while. Tbh if there was a game for me to do it in, it’s this one, cause I haven’t had to play catch-up on a bazillion posts and can be more authentic ... but I’m townMacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:00 am Colin's push on 112 is actually more sensible and credible than I was expecting tbh. He provided good reasons for the vote. He also is just obviously not in his scum meta. No offense to Colin but he's a potato when he rands mafia.
I don't like this concept.