Radiohead Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Master Radishes]

its time to KISS and BECOME FRIENDS

[Timsup2nothin]

Hey you stole my guise

Also it has never occurred to me that in wolf mashes I could just place a mafia jailkeeper on an spk that’s likely to get healed and I can just strongarm my mafia into a secured kill wow

funny i thought u stole it from me!

odd, has anyone told you you might be stuck in a tunnel?

I don't mind being tunneled...but if someone would notice that it is THE ONLY real thing he does that would be nice.

nooo man oddmerta is town too

like, hm. a bit hard to explain.

but like, look at his confidence. he is kinda like ... you? and like, dunno. like he isnt playing in a way to be diplomatic. he's doing his thing

I disagree. He packages the towncore consensus right back at them, and they LOVE agreement. That's a core element of my wolf strategy.

well he's the only one who scumreads spf with me and the rest of the super town core all wants spf to also be super town towncore so i wouldnt say he is completely following the flock!

He isn't exactly in their face with it either. But look through his ISO...there isn't an original take in it. Just candy for the town core kidz.

[Oddmerta]

odd and tim i think u two have been at each other throats since like page 5 or page 10 from d1 correct me if im wrong. surely if either one of u was wolf he would get tired of this?

how often do u see deathtunnels be v/v?

its time to KISS and BECOME FRIENDS

Just because he is wolf and I'm town doesn't mean we can't be friends

[Long Con]

Sprityo isn't, iirc, in the mechanical analysis of claims. Can someone please remind me why he's a top suspect? I knew yesterday, but I partied pretty hard last night and I'm a little foggy today.

The three people seen visiting Mac almost certainly includes a wolf.

Hally is VERY unlikely to be a wolf.
JPIC has claimed alignment cop and there are more town sided ways to determine whether he is a wolf than just turbo chopping.
Nanook has made a dubious but at least somewhat credible claim as to what he was doing there.

Sprityo has reacted...poorly...and was pretty highly suspect beforehand.

Right, thank you, and thank you dyachei as well for the answer.

Sprityo was seen targeting Mac, but hasn't claimed anything? Did he say that he can't claim, as some others have?

[dyachei]

i think he said he can't claim, long con.

[Timsup2nothin]

would be nice if you both focused elsewhere. there are other wolves around

Notice that I've been conversing with you...and Hally...and Wilgy...and LongCon...and Ted...and Tutuu...

Hey, look at that, I've been interacting with everyone who is posting!

Where would you like me to 'focus' when I stop being '100% tunnel rat'?

[Timsup2nothin]

its time to KISS and BECOME FRIENDS

Pass, teacher...gonna have to expel my young ass.

[Oddmerta]

i think he said he can't claim, long con.

No, he specifically won't claim. He could if he wanted to, it was a big part of my notes

[dyachei]

ok, then I was wrong.

tim, just flesh out a wolf team/wolf list for me? just curious where your reads are right now (other than odd). I do agree you've been doing more than just responding

[tedxtr]

I’ll try to channel solve mode D3, I assume I’ll still be alive by then

[Timsup2nothin]

ok, then I was wrong.

tim, just flesh out a wolf team/wolf list for me? just curious where your reads are right now (other than odd). I do agree you've been doing more than just responding

I think Sprit is almost a mortal lock to be the wolf that crashed Mac's party. Second choice would be Nanook.

I think Dizzy has a bucketload of slank wolf potential.

I think if there is a close edge/in the core deepwolf SPF is the most likely candidate.

On the flip side...

Everything about Alison makes sense as the saved NK target.

Mac got hit with a post cap is I think absolutely true, and he's town.

If Tutuu can maintain this level of daffy sweet lack of concern as a wolf I'm willing to lose to her.

Everyone else has varying degrees of potential and I am keeping an open mind pending more information.

[Timsup2nothin]

I’ll try to channel solve mode D3, I assume I’ll still be alive by then

This is absolutely a towny Ted principle, but it is possibly faked.

I do really appreciate the spirit of it though.

[dyachei]

independent of the claim, what do you think of jpic?

[Timsup2nothin]

independent of the claim, what do you think of jpic?

JPIC is the claim. It is literally the only thing he has done other than troll drop one liners.

I think that is a fit for "JPIC with a strong PR" because it is exactly what he did in UPick as town Jailkeeper with very similar results.

I find it difficult to imagine wolf JPIC saying "I'mma just troll along and get wolfread and then drop the cop bomb and ride it" but it could be a viable strat for him so maybe. Looks more like a townie with a crutch playing not to get NKed, but ymmv.

[dyachei]

ok

fwiw i think your poe makes sense. not sure on spf because i like her when she's in the thread

[Timsup2nothin]

ok

fwiw i think your poe makes sense. not sure on spf because i like her when she's in the thread

So do I. I don't really think there IS a deep wolf. Just that IF there is she's the best candidate.

[Timsup2nothin]

Sprityo isn't, iirc, in the mechanical analysis of claims. Can someone please remind me why he's a top suspect? I knew yesterday, but I partied pretty hard last night and I'm a little foggy today.

The three people seen visiting Mac almost certainly includes a wolf.

Hally is VERY unlikely to be a wolf.
JPIC has claimed alignment cop and there are more town sided ways to determine whether he is a wolf than just turbo chopping.
Nanook has made a dubious but at least somewhat credible claim as to what he was doing there.

Sprityo has reacted...poorly...and was pretty highly suspect beforehand.

Right, thank you, and thank you dyachei as well for the answer.

Sprityo was seen targeting Mac, but hasn't claimed anything? Did he say that he can't claim, as some others have?

My take is that he implied he could claim if he wanted and just got snarly with Mac instead.

[Herm]

Time to catch uppppp!

[Herm]

So prior to nutella flipping Nanook says:

"Inb4 Nutella flips mafia/rogue with a soup kill"

And haha, that's what she flips.

Why does wolf-Nanook make this post?

He says after EOD that he wants to say scum Nanook would never say that but he probably would because it's hilarious.

Why does he make this first post? So he can later point to it and say it's clearing? @Master Radishes you have wolfed with Nanook, would you say this is the kind of thing you saw scum Nanook do?

Completely within Nanook's wolf range tbh. He pays more attention than he often lets on in thread (though he's clearly been more active this game than the ones I wolfed with him) and strategises in wolf chat and such. He's also fairly versatile; in one game he distanced from me early on, in another he tried to townclear me instead and had to backtrack later.

I'm gonna lay off him for today and semi-trust that you are right about him here.

[Oddmerta]

The thing about Nutella flip is that mafia had a protective role, that means that they can die at night

[Herm]

I feel like one of Radishes, Dyachei and DrWigly is a Deep Wolf.

[Herm]

The thing about Nutella flip is that mafia had a protective role, that means that they can die at night

This is normal to me.

Probably somerhing like Vig/SK in play.

[dyachei]

The thing about Nutella flip is that mafia had a protective role, that means that they can die at night

This is normal to me.

Probably somerhing like Vig/SK in play.

rogue might have some kp?

[Oddmerta]

The thing about Nutella flip is that mafia had a protective role, that means that they can die at night

This is normal to me.

Probably somerhing like Vig/SK in play.

Yeah but now it's confirmed

[Herm]

Rogue probably has killing power.

[juliets]

I feel like one of Radishes, Dyachei and DrWigly is a Deep Wolf.

Herm, did you see Dr. Wilgy's posts recently where he has no idea what is going on in the game? If so, is your thought that he faked that?

[Timsup2nothin]

The thing about Nutella flip is that mafia had a protective role, that means that they can die at night

This is normal to me.

Probably somerhing like Vig/SK in play.

rogue might have some kp?

I'm kind of expecting a bloodbath tonight. A 22 person game has to have some extra killpower floating around or it potentially drags on beyond the endurance of even the most dedicated players. That's part of why I think whoever postcapped Mac is in some way using added wolf kill power. Odd suggested a delayed kill, like a poisoner. I'm thinking (and hoping) it is more thematic and the postcapping is symptomatic of...maybe like 'stole Mac's song' and that creates a vulnerability to an extra kill...which maybe we can stop if we chop the killer first.

To any town roleblocker/jailkeeper type folk: if we chop Sprit and it is a miss, please put a hold on Nanook. I think my read on this mechanic is plausible because it is a level of complexity that matches up with Nutella's role as well as my own. I'd hate to let the killer get a second shot in on Mac if I am right, especially since that kind of two part killing might actually bypass doctoring.

[Herm]

I feel like one of Radishes, Dyachei and DrWigly is a Deep Wolf.

Herm, did you see Dr. Wilgy's posts recently where he has no idea what is going on in the game? If so, is your thought that he faked that?

I'll admit that I haven't read everything and I'm just basing my thoughts/reads on things I have managed to read.

But I think scum could fake that kind of stuff, it's something I do as scum when I have trouble catching up.

[Timsup2nothin]

The thing about Nutella flip is that mafia had a protective role, that means that they can die at night

This is normal to me.

Probably somerhing like Vig/SK in play.

Yeah but now it's confirmed

This was a good observation. Confirmation is good, no matter how obvious the assumption.

[Timsup2nothin]

I feel like one of Radishes, Dyachei and DrWigly is a Deep Wolf.

Herm, did you see Dr. Wilgy's posts recently where he has no idea what is going on in the game? If so, is your thought that he faked that?

I'll admit that I haven't read everything and I'm just basing my thoughts/reads on things I have managed to read.

But I think scum could fake that kind of stuff, it's something I do as scum when I have trouble catching up.

That wouldn't be what you are actually doing right here and now, would it?

[tutuu]

nutella having the ability to heal as mafia indicates town kp? so i wonder if jpic was vigged and he rly was bulletproof or something.

or maybe mafia has doctor just for the SK. dunno

30 mins after start of day 2 >:(

[Justplayingitcool]

independent of the claim, what do you think of jpic?

I think that is a fit for "JPIC with a strong PR" because it is exactly what he did in UPick as town Jailkeeper with very similar results.

[Herm]

I feel like one of Radishes, Dyachei and DrWigly is a Deep Wolf.

Herm, did you see Dr. Wilgy's posts recently where he has no idea what is going on in the game? If so, is your thought that he faked that?

I'll admit that I haven't read everything and I'm just basing my thoughts/reads on things I have managed to read.

But I think scum could fake that kind of stuff, it's something I do as scum when I have trouble catching up.

That wouldn't be what you are actually doing right here and now, would it?

No, I'm actually busy, but I see what you're saying.

The irony of calling something out as scummy, that I "seem" to be doing myself.

[Herm]

I ISO'd some of Dyslexicon's posts and he's reading surprisingly town to me so that's good I suppose.

Very weak town though.

[juliets]

My crazy thought for the day: sprityo is "Karma Police", he said in his first post it's the only song by Radiohead he likes. The first chorus from the song:

This is what you get
This is what you get
This is what you get when you mess with us

[Alison]

Tim you need to understand that from my perspective the towncore is not only pure but has produced one pelt and had an attempt made on one of its members' lives already. I have very little doubt in the alignments of my towncore and so your constant attempts to undermine it (saying Mac had a shitty EoD and Hally could be the Mafia Watcher) is engendering no trust in you at all from me

Yeah, don't care.

If your town core "is pure" then the game is probably a win for me so whether you trust me or not I just don't GAF. What does bother me is that you make these claims about "the pelt is ours" and act like I didn't suspect Nutella as well, because that foesn't fit your pretty picture that people should appreciate the town core. That's gonna lead you to mischops. What bothers me even more is that Oddmerta, for example, has just done nothing in this game other than kiss town core ass, and if he's a wolf he's going the distance because you town core seem to like it so much. That could cost me a win here.

how do u guise not townread the emotion here?

obv i could be wrong, its not rare at all for me to be wrong but like

how is tim obvious scum?

even if he's scum i dont think he's obvious at all?

Because of everything they did to undermine the towncore, and their attempts to convince people to give nutella their song name, and generally doing nothing D1?

[Hally]

While I agree that a lot has happened since and also agree that Mac is almost certainly town here, I find it refreshing that Wilgy is acknowledging that Mac had a wolfy EoD; probably the worst after mine. But, y'know, he had "towned it up" so he was towncore and when I pointed out his bad EoD I got the "attack on one is an attack on all" treatment.

mac didn’t have a wolfy EoD at all

Then why did I?

I bought the claim from Nutella. So did Mac.

I presented that claim as justification for not voting Nutella. So did Mac.

I pointed out at SoD that that looked bad for both of us. Mac pointed out "but town core so you are a wolf."

And here we are.

it’s not about believing or disbelieving the claim. it’s about the process he went through to decide he actually didn’t believe it in the end. he was clearly evaluating the claim in real time. also he buried nut the entire day and you didn’t, so equating yourself with him is not really honest

Actually I read through Nutella's ISO and posted my opinion. It's one of those "empty nothing" posts that apparently didn't meet the local standard of towniness. I didn't go all "I can read people by a single post!!! CHARGE!!!" as seems popular here, but I was in fact consistent.

can you link me to that post?

Here is an entire conversation between me and Nutella. Of course since I'm not in the approved town core this is just "scum theater" rather than "things a wolf would just never say."

And of course since I'm not town core no one paid any attention to it at the time so it's no surprise you needed a link to be aware of it.

oh i thought you meant you went through nut’s iso after she flipped to look for spew

i saw the post you linked. i just misunderstood what you were referring to

[Hally]

odd, has anyone told you you might be stuck in a tunnel?

what makes you say that?

[tutuu]

Tim you need to understand that from my perspective the towncore is not only pure but has produced one pelt and had an attempt made on one of its members' lives already. I have very little doubt in the alignments of my towncore and so your constant attempts to undermine it (saying Mac had a shitty EoD and Hally could be the Mafia Watcher) is engendering no trust in you at all from me

Yeah, don't care.

If your town core "is pure" then the game is probably a win for me so whether you trust me or not I just don't GAF. What does bother me is that you make these claims about "the pelt is ours" and act like I didn't suspect Nutella as well, because that foesn't fit your pretty picture that people should appreciate the town core. That's gonna lead you to mischops. What bothers me even more is that Oddmerta, for example, has just done nothing in this game other than kiss town core ass, and if he's a wolf he's going the distance because you town core seem to like it so much. That could cost me a win here.

how do u guise not townread the emotion here?

obv i could be wrong, its not rare at all for me to be wrong but like

how is tim obvious scum?

even if he's scum i dont think he's obvious at all?

Because of everything they did to undermine the towncore, and their attempts to convince people to give nutella their song name, and generally doing nothing D1?

as someone who was accused of undermining the towncore by macdougall i can definitely empathize with how tim is feeling though!

2nd part: dont remember that, he did give his song name, and i think he did also suggest we give it, thats right, but like. eh. dunno! like nutella was literally dying anyway

on 3rd part: i wouldnt call him an easy read on d1, would also personally disagree with him doing like literally nothing d1 its kinda subjective i mean, if he did nothing, a lot of ppl did nothing imo

just my 2c!

[Long Con]

My crazy thought for the day: sprityo is "Karma Police", he said in his first post it's the only song by Radiohead he likes. The first chorus from the song:

This is what you get
This is what you get
This is what you get when you mess with us

It's an all right thought, but Karma Police is easily the one Radiohead song that a person might like. Biased opinion perhaps, due to the fact that I think it's a really cool and likable song. If he had told us a more obscure song, I'd buy into this idea more easily.

[Hally]

Oh please say I'm the hero.

That would make up for the fact I've completely fallen out of the game and have no idea what's going on anymore.

Open up notepad, write down what everyone claims as they claim it, I'll share my notes with you so you can be all caught up

Tbh I don't really care about the mech stuff - I know I can get that from someone at any time and it's not my favourite aspect of Mafia anyway. I mean more that I don't have a good sense anymore of the townieness/scumminess of everyone, as I've missed on reading chunks of the thread and haven't been interacting much which I find integral to get 'into' the game. But I'm aware the towncore seems to be doing well, based on results, and so am not too bothered at the moment about my own lacklustre performance - when the game slows down, should I still be alive, I'll be able to keep up more easily.

Well that's on you, do better. A fair few of us suspect you to be mafia backup with a graverobber fakeclaim so if i were you I'd fix that and sooner rather than later

tbh i don’t think that’s super likely. it was just something i thought in the moment but gth radishes is probably town

[Long Con]

Tim you need to understand that from my perspective the towncore is not only pure but has produced one pelt and had an attempt made on one of its members' lives already. I have very little doubt in the alignments of my towncore and so your constant attempts to undermine it (saying Mac had a shitty EoD and Hally could be the Mafia Watcher) is engendering no trust in you at all from me

Yeah, don't care.

If your town core "is pure" then the game is probably a win for me so whether you trust me or not I just don't GAF. What does bother me is that you make these claims about "the pelt is ours" and act like I didn't suspect Nutella as well, because that foesn't fit your pretty picture that people should appreciate the town core. That's gonna lead you to mischops. What bothers me even more is that Oddmerta, for example, has just done nothing in this game other than kiss town core ass, and if he's a wolf he's going the distance because you town core seem to like it so much. That could cost me a win here.

how do u guise not townread the emotion here?

obv i could be wrong, its not rare at all for me to be wrong but like

how is tim obvious scum?

even if he's scum i dont think he's obvious at all?

Because of everything they did to undermine the towncore, and their attempts to convince people to give nutella their song name, and generally doing nothing D1?

I agree with this, especially that gratuitous surrender of his supposed song name.

[Timsup2nothin]

Tim you need to understand that from my perspective the towncore is not only pure but has produced one pelt and had an attempt made on one of its members' lives already. I have very little doubt in the alignments of my towncore and so your constant attempts to undermine it (saying Mac had a shitty EoD and Hally could be the Mafia Watcher) is engendering no trust in you at all from me

Yeah, don't care.

If your town core "is pure" then the game is probably a win for me so whether you trust me or not I just don't GAF. What does bother me is that you make these claims about "the pelt is ours" and act like I didn't suspect Nutella as well, because that foesn't fit your pretty picture that people should appreciate the town core. That's gonna lead you to mischops. What bothers me even more is that Oddmerta, for example, has just done nothing in this game other than kiss town core ass, and if he's a wolf he's going the distance because you town core seem to like it so much. That could cost me a win here.

how do u guise not townread the emotion here?

obv i could be wrong, its not rare at all for me to be wrong but like

how is tim obvious scum?

even if he's scum i dont think he's obvious at all?

Because of everything they did to undermine the towncore, and their attempts to convince people to give nutella their song name, and generally doing nothing D1?

Ummm...would it be "undermining the town core" to point out that this is bullshit?

I gave Nutella MY song title. I made ABSOLUTELY no attempt to convince anyone else to do so. As I have explained before, in posts you ignored since they didn't come from town core, I thought it was wise to test Nutella's claim and deemed myself expendable. Mac was already pointing out that the mechanical best course was to chop elsewhere and resolve the claim. I agreed with him.

[juliets]

My crazy thought for the day: sprityo is "Karma Police", he said in his first post it's the only song by Radiohead he likes. The first chorus from the song:

This is what you get
This is what you get
This is what you get when you mess with us

It's an all right thought, but Karma Police is easily the one Radiohead song that a person might like. Biased opinion perhaps, due to the fact that I think it's a really cool and likable song. If he had told us a more obscure song, I'd buy into this idea more easily.

Ok.

[Long Con]

...like nutella was literally dying anyway...

That's not the EOD1 I remember. I think nutella had a chance after her claim. If just two more players on her train decided it was worth working with her claim, she'd be alive right now.

[Master Radishes]

Oh please say I'm the hero.

That would make up for the fact I've completely fallen out of the game and have no idea what's going on anymore.

Open up notepad, write down what everyone claims as they claim it, I'll share my notes with you so you can be all caught up

Tbh I don't really care about the mech stuff - I know I can get that from someone at any time and it's not my favourite aspect of Mafia anyway. I mean more that I don't have a good sense anymore of the townieness/scumminess of everyone, as I've missed on reading chunks of the thread and haven't been interacting much which I find integral to get 'into' the game. But I'm aware the towncore seems to be doing well, based on results, and so am not too bothered at the moment about my own lacklustre performance - when the game slows down, should I still be alive, I'll be able to keep up more easily.

Well that's on you, do better. A fair few of us suspect you to be mafia backup with a graverobber fakeclaim so if i were you I'd fix that and sooner rather than later

I don't take orders from you.

[tutuu]

at the very least IF tim is mafia (which i dont think he is but IF he is) - i doubt he is putting so much effort for a team of sprityo + jpic + timsup2nothin. no sane person does that. so like if tim is mafia, it is worth to put the effort he is putting for a deep wolf

[Justplayingitcool]

@Justplayingitcool if you do survive today you are to check between the below players only. Do not reveal who you are checking. If you survive the night and out a check on anyone who isn't one of these three you are to be YEETED WITHOUT QUESTION.

Tutuu
Master Radishes
SPF

That is because these are names that have genuine potential to be deepwolfing and we have no mech on. We need mech on them. I'd personally rather put PC on here than SPF but it seems more people are scumreading SPF so it's better for thread health if we get mech on SPF than PC. Herm is not on here because I don't think Herm is a risk to endgame if they are mafia. I think we are going to yeet them at some point unless town wins earlier than we need to.

Just to confirm, am I still to go ahead with this plan?

[Timsup2nothin]

...like nutella was literally dying anyway...

That's not the EOD1 I remember. I think nutella had a chance after her claim. If just two more players on her train decided it was worth working with her claim, she'd be alive right now.

I pretty much expected Nutella to survive...that's why I "gratuitously" coughed up my song title. If she survived the only way we were going to avoid spending the next day on "why didn't we kill her and should we kill her now" is if we had some sort of action going on around her mechanically. For better or worse that involved someone giving up a song title. I volunteered.

[Hally]

Tim you need to understand that from my perspective the towncore is not only pure but has produced one pelt and had an attempt made on one of its members' lives already. I have very little doubt in the alignments of my towncore and so your constant attempts to undermine it (saying Mac had a shitty EoD and Hally could be the Mafia Watcher) is engendering no trust in you at all from me

Yeah, don't care.

If your town core "is pure" then the game is probably a win for me so whether you trust me or not I just don't GAF. What does bother me is that you make these claims about "the pelt is ours" and act like I didn't suspect Nutella as well, because that foesn't fit your pretty picture that people should appreciate the town core. That's gonna lead you to mischops. What bothers me even more is that Oddmerta, for example, has just done nothing in this game other than kiss town core ass, and if he's a wolf he's going the distance because you town core seem to like it so much. That could cost me a win here.

how do u guise not townread the emotion here?

obv i could be wrong, its not rare at all for me to be wrong but like

how is tim obvious scum?

even if he's scum i dont think he's obvious at all?

i personally think he’s more likely town