Radiohead Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Alison]

My guts say Wilgy is town and I'd like to state that for the record

I don't think anyone expected you to pick anyone other than Tim to push in a thunderdome between Tim and another player, lol

[tedxtr]

Timsup2something

[Alison]

A Tim red flip proves that Wilgy, Odd and Ted are all town.
A Tim green flip proves that Wilgy is mafia. It makes Odd and Ted look worse for tunnelling him all game.

The opposite is true if we flip Wilgy. A Wilgy green flip proves that Tim is mafia, which proves that Odd and Ted are town. And a Wilgy red flip proves that Tim is town, which makes Odd and Ted look worse.

[Alison]

Those deductions are made under the following assumptions:

1) Dizzy is truthful about his night results.
2) Tim and Wilgy are never buddies.
3) Tim and Wilgy are never both town together.

I've laid out reasoning for why we should believe all three of these assumptions - if you have an issue with them, bring it up now.

[Oddmerta]

Is it tunneling if they flip red?

[juliets]

Oh wow I picked a fine time to workout! I need to go back through Alison's posts to make sure I understand all the implications of Dizzy's revelation. I'm here though if anyone needs something from me.

[Alison]

Is it tunneling if they flip red?

In my view yes, that's an acceptable usage of the word. Tunnelling just means tunnel vision - which means you can only see one possibility and don't consider other possibilities. It doesn't imply that you're wrong, only that you're locked into a specific view of the game.

[tedxtr]

I am actually already lock cleared as town

[Poison]

Odd has normal NAI fluffs early on and he asks a few questions here and there. he has been mostly on tim, and was continuously asking about tim to others, nothing wrong with it but I think he is a very experienced player and I have seen him doing more than that. what i find odd about odd is how his suss on tim kinda vanished in between and in a post asked by samu he said he'd investigate spf, kill JPIC, and protect hally. no mentions of tim. he threw a a few little reads in between but idk i cannot like them even if i try. i don't really like their progression tbh, idk if it's tonally or if their content is not something which meets my expectations yet, cause i have seen him being great and playing great as town. but tbh I don't see any post from them which can't be made by a scum.

I would have null read this slot, but I also don't like how they are getting cleared by others when they aren't that towny. might be astupid way to look at stuff but this just doesn't fit well with me atm.

I scum lean this slot.

Just reading back through Oddmerta and was like "its weird how he is so hardcore obsesssed with Tim out the gate but then when asked who he'd FMK he chose to kill JPIC who he'd not made a single mention of until that point and didn't even mention Tim at all. Then I see that PC made this read.

@Poison Chan current status of your Oddmerta read?

The thing is I cannot accept him as town yet. I can see him as a scum, but idk more like a 3p. But I also find tim a possibility for 3p which is more than odd being 3p.

Okay I'm probably running im circles, basically I see odd as any alignment but not town. This is definitely not town odd as I'd like to believe.

Also, I have had asked odd about a question which he didn't reply to, and keeping that aside, iirc, from mac's claim list,

Ted, and someone else had night kill actions. I think someone might be lying cause mac also mentioned odd softed vig, cop?

I'll be quoting back the thing from odd when I get back home and probably use my PC.

[tedxtr]

If there's a claimed track on me I'm like actually mechanically locked as town.

There are most likely 2 mafia left AT MOST. If we all agree on this then I'm locked town or 3p.

We know one is a mafia rolecop. We don't know the either.

If I'm the mafia rolecop, why do I check Nanook who already claimed? So that's out of question.

If I'm the other unknown role, then what could I have possibly done to Nanook instead of Mac or Alison (assuming scum wanted Hally gone). There aren't a lot of options that would express a role with a scum motive to do something to Nanook.

If we go from the base assumption of "mafia have roles that negatively affect the village and help them" then what could I have possibly done to Nanook when he's likely dying today regardless?

The only way you can counter my last question is through "jpic has died" which I couldn't have known as mafia regardless.

[Oddmerta]

Odd has normal NAI fluffs early on and he asks a few questions here and there. he has been mostly on tim, and was continuously asking about tim to others, nothing wrong with it but I think he is a very experienced player and I have seen him doing more than that. what i find odd about odd is how his suss on tim kinda vanished in between and in a post asked by samu he said he'd investigate spf, kill JPIC, and protect hally. no mentions of tim. he threw a a few little reads in between but idk i cannot like them even if i try. i don't really like their progression tbh, idk if it's tonally or if their content is not something which meets my expectations yet, cause i have seen him being great and playing great as town. but tbh I don't see any post from them which can't be made by a scum.

I would have null read this slot, but I also don't like how they are getting cleared by others when they aren't that towny. might be astupid way to look at stuff but this just doesn't fit well with me atm.

I scum lean this slot.

Just reading back through Oddmerta and was like "its weird how he is so hardcore obsesssed with Tim out the gate but then when asked who he'd FMK he chose to kill JPIC who he'd not made a single mention of until that point and didn't even mention Tim at all. Then I see that PC made this read.

@Poison Chan current status of your Oddmerta read?

The thing is I cannot accept him as town yet. I can see him as a scum, but idk more like a 3p. But I also find tim a possibility for 3p which is more than odd being 3p.

Okay I'm probably running im circles, basically I see odd as any alignment but not town. This is definitely not town odd as I'd like to believe.

Also, I have had asked odd about a question which he didn't reply to, and keeping that aside, iirc, from mac's claim list,

Ted, and someone else had night kill actions. I think someone might be lying cause mac also mentioned odd softed vig, cop?

I'll be quoting back the thing from odd when I get back home and probably use my PC.

I'm sorry, what question did I miss?

[Alison]

If there's a claimed track on me I'm like actually mechanically locked as town.

There are most likely 2 mafia left AT MOST. If we all agree on this then I'm locked town or 3p.

We know one is a mafia rolecop. We don't know the either.

If I'm the mafia rolecop, why do I check Nanook who already claimed? So that's out of question.

If I'm the other unknown role, then what could I have possibly done to Nanook instead of Mac or Alison (assuming scum wanted Hally gone). There aren't a lot of options that would express a role with a scum motive to do something to Nanook.

If we go from the base assumption of "mafia have roles that negatively affect the village and help them" then what could I have possibly done to Nanook when he's likely dying today regardless?

The only way you can counter my last question is through "jpic has died" which I couldn't have known as mafia regardless.

nanook? You were tracked to Tim.

[dyachei]

he was tracked to nanook tonight by me alison

[juliets]

[mention]Alison[/mention] I do have a comment about your post where you lay out the 4 options but I want to hear from Tim and Samu before discussing it.

[Alison]

he was tracked to nanook tonight by me alison

Oh shit, that's right. Ted probably town then.

[Long Con]

I'll get on the Tim train. Wilgy is making me feel like he's town.

[Long Con]

[VOTE: tim] aubergine

[TonyStarkPrime]

A Tim red flip proves that Wilgy, Odd and Ted are all town.
A Tim green flip proves that Wilgy is mafia. It makes Odd and Ted look worse for tunnelling him all game.

The opposite is true if we flip Wilgy. A Wilgy green flip proves that Tim is mafia, which proves that Odd and Ted are town. And a Wilgy red flip proves that Tim is town, which makes Odd and Ted look worse.

explain

assume that I'm not sure what's going on

[Alison]

A Tim red flip proves that Wilgy, Odd and Ted are all town.
A Tim green flip proves that Wilgy is mafia. It makes Odd and Ted look worse for tunnelling him all game.

The opposite is true if we flip Wilgy. A Wilgy green flip proves that Tim is mafia, which proves that Odd and Ted are town. And a Wilgy red flip proves that Tim is town, which makes Odd and Ted look worse.

explain

assume that I'm not sure what's going on

We proved that one person between Wilgy and Tim lied about their night actions. If its not Wilgy, well...

[TonyStarkPrime]

lying is bad

[TonyStarkPrime]

how did we prove this?

[tutuu]

had a dream about spf and dyachei

based on daytalk i townread tim > dizzy > wilgy

based on mechanics i townread dizzy > tim > wilgy

[tutuu]

how did we prove this?

dizzy tracked ted to nanook n1
tim visited ted n1
drwilgy was randomly assigned to "watch" ted n1 and claims only 1 person visited him

[Alison]

dizzy tracked ted to tim n1. dyacyei tracked ted to nanook n2

[Oddmerta]

Pile on timsup

[Poison]

Yooo hi

[Poison]

Wait odd, I'll try to find it.

[Alison]

I guess ted has visited people super likely to die so maybe he's 3p with a role that operates off that or some shit. But I'd think he'd visit jpic not nanook n2 then.

[tutuu]

cop
doc + vig
negative utility protector
negative utility protector + jailkeeper
tracker
2nd tracker
watcher
universal backup for dead roles

versus

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

50% post capper

Spoiler: show

u think u can use all these roles to peek scum and mech solve the game? think again. fools. just as our power roles were to about to out the scum, they hit their post cap, and had to remain silent forever

[Poison]

How do we do ctrl + f on phone?

[Samusamu]

1. Alison - Straight cop that mafia discover who they targeted - N1 targeted TSP and got delayed (stuck in a lift) got result n2 (town), targeted Nook n2 (town)
2. TonyStarkPrime (Replaced ColinIsCool Night 1) - Claims 1 shot vigilante, x shot doctor. Targeted Hally (fail), targeted JPIC (hit?)
3. DrWilgy - Tracker if he votes on mafia, randomised receives the amount of players who target someone if votes on town
4. dyachei - Also a tracker
5. Dyslexicon - No claim
6. juliets (Replaced Fallen Prince Day 1) - X shot protection from non lethal non town actions - Targeted Alison n1, holstered n2
7. Hally - CONFIRMED - Town watcher, targeted Mac N1 - Destroyed the mafia
8. Herm - Song cop (looks through album names to see if there are scum on the album)
9. Justplayingitcool - CONFIRMED - Mafia post capper
10. Long Con - Three times during game can target a player to stop them voting for him (but he also can't vote them)
11. MacDougall - Banned from claiming
12. Master Radishes - Claimed to be able to use dead PR, targeted Alison n1 with Nutella's doctor
13. NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - Targets potential NKs to get an extra vote. Targeted Mac n1 and didn't get a vote. Has a cop clear.
14. Oddmerta - No claim but has softed a bit (vig, cop)
15. Poison Chan - No explicit claim but outed the mafia has a rolecop named nude and also outed that "Radishes is lying"
16. Samusamu - No claim
17. sprityo - CONFIRMED - Mafia multiple role asshole
18. staypositivefriend - Banned from claiming
19. tedxtr - Claimed to have night kills, no confirmation on actions
20. Timsup2nothin - Claims to have role that modifies depending on the balance of the game
21. tutuu - Doctor that also delays night actions for a day

Only claims left are @Dyslexicon and @Samusamu. Some elaboration from Dyachei and Poison Chan is also welcome.

Hey, i'm some kind of voyeur but with songs, i gonna ask how much i can explain.

[Samusamu]

How do we do ctrl + f on phone?

"Open in chrome" and then "find in page"

[Poison]

Ayy thanks Samu!!!

[tutuu]

How do we do ctrl + f on phone?

if ur isoing someone there is a "search these results" search bar at the top

or what samu said dunno hes maybe smarter than me

[Alison]

Voyeur but with songs... so you target a song and figure out what abilities the role card associated with that song has?

[Samusamu]

It's all rather absurd in light of the long term plan anyway. Wilgy's role in said plan is unimportant. If you want to chop him then everything I said that implies to auto solving him also applies to any number of other people. Ultimately we have a narrow pool and should just vote whoever we want in it. The mafia don't even have enough votes to push it any specific way as long as we go through our motions and eventually line up onto a wagon.

I am sure one or both of @Dyslexicon and @Samusamu show up at some point and townclear themselves here anyway.

Okey, no songs were used on poison n1.

I saw yesterday i woke up sucking a lemon or something like that and know that the player that have that song cant roleclaim, so probably is town.

Dunno who used that song and cant say where it was.used.

Thats my role i can't say too.much aditional info, but it is relevant if it is well managed.

[Alison]

samu's tone makes me want to believe him, but his claim makes me think he's the mafia role cop

also the sucking a lemon role is hally's so that's pretty useless info unfortunately

[Poison]

I think I would actually sleep it's hard to concentrate atm. Will be here tomorrow.

[Oddmerta]

Save time, vote tim today

[Samusamu]

Voyeur but with songs... so you target a song and figure out what abilities the role card associated with that song has?

Target a player and then figure what songs were used in that player and some info that is not said in my pm but cause n2 info i think that it is if that person can or cannot roleclaim.

Dunno if something more can be said.

[Alison]

That doesn't match up with what you're telling me. You told me that your ability figures out if the person you targeted can or cannot roleclaim. But the information you got was for sucking a lemon, which is Hally's role flavor iirc. Are you saying you investigated Hally? And if so you would know the name of the songs that was used on Hally, including the mafia kill.

[Alison]

I suspect there's a language barrier here. Also iirc "sucking a lemon" was a lyric in Hally's song, not the song itself. So now I'm doubly confused how Samu's role works.

[Samusamu]

That doesn't match up with what you're telling me. You told me that your ability figures out if the person you targeted can or cannot roleclaim. But the information you got was for sucking a lemon, which is Hally's role flavor iirc. Are you saying you investigated Hally? And if so you would know the name of the songs that was used on Hally, including the mafia kill.

Nope i didnt investigate hally

[tedxtr]

I believe in this particular case, the Voyeur targets a person, and what Samu receives are the songs that have targeted that person.

You can confirm or deny if I got it correctly, Samu.

[Samusamu]

I dunno who has that song, i'm mentally off of this game nowadays just playing and voting for guts o d1/d2 reads.

[Alison]

You were allowed to tell us you targeted Poison Chan N1.

Who did you target N2?

[Samusamu]

I believe in this particular case, the Voyeur targets a person, and what Samu receives are the songs that have targeted that person.

You can confirm or deny if I got it correctly, Samu.

Yup, also is said that i can receive some hide info if it's the case.

[Samusamu]

You were allowed to tell us you targeted Poison Chan N1.

Who did you target N2?

I cant use gm words, but i havent info of n1 so i can say objetivo, isnt the case for n2.

Weird? Of course!

[tedxtr]

Samu gets additional info that he can't out if he sees someone visiting his person.

He can say who he targeted, but if he found something out, he can't say it because it's a package deal with hidden info.

No?

[Samusamu]

I think that if i see a mafia song i have to elaborate a case, and not only saying hey, this song was used in that player, thats easy.

The purpose of this is clever i think