Avatar The Last Airbender Mafia postgame

[Jackofhearts2005]

Lol balls!

[cayvie]

hell yeah, let the 3-way associatives begin

Lol balls!

flamey-o, hotman. flamey-o.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Fucking yes.

Ok so 10 players left. Assuming normal temperature and pressure conditions, there will be 9 tomorrow. Assuming 2 mafiosos left, we have 4 days to yeet 2 wolves.

We should probably each name our 2 wolves.

That and so team associations (someone else will cuz I'm lazy for that stuff lol)

[cayvie]

Fucking yes.

Ok so 10 players left. Assuming normal temperature and pressure conditions, there will be 9 tomorrow. Assuming 2 mafiosos left, we have 4 days to yeet 2 wolves.

We should probably each name our 2 wolves.

That and so team associations (someone else will cuz I'm lazy for that stuff lol)

mm

my top 2 guesses off the top of my head are dov and wilgy

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Actually sorry.

4 names not 2. Since we have 4 yeets.

So if you can townread everyone but 4 and be right, you're golden.

[Long Con]

cassowary
cayvie
dov
Fatmo

Here's my list off the top of my head. It would possibly change if I ISOed everyone and got fresh takes. This game got a little stagnant just in recent days, and my mind is much more fresh with Radiohead Mafia next door.

Of course dov is also mafia. That's what I believe. If you're definitely going down anyway, you want to try to use your power to benefit your fallen teammates.

[cayvie]

I stand by my LC vote at the time, and I still find his... aggressive response to suspicions of him a little strange, but also I don't know him and maybe this is just how he is always? The people who know him don't seem concerned, at least.

underlined reads like a wolf unhappy that they can't just get away with an easy policy-esque vote

Really? I think I've explained why I voted for LC pretty thoroughly. How does this come across as policy-esque to you?

How about we hit an actual scum in Cass/Cayvie then yeet the teammate on Jiwon's wagon.

What makes you so confident about this?

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To be real here, this is going to sound kind of silly, but I think part of the reason people who played with me before are reading me badly on tone is because we just (like, last week) finished a game that lasted like 3 months, where it was only my second time playing mafia, and I survived almost to the end of the game, so I think I had to adjust the way I usually reason about the game to make that work. I think I'm still having a bit of trouble getting back into the town mindset, like, I have to actually put effort into thinking about the game state and not throw shade at random people just to try to get them killed?? Lame!! I hope that makes sense. Like, I've still got to change gears in my brain a little bit, so I might be coming across different than usual. But maybe for example I should cut chardonnay etc some slack on reading me as vaguely suspicious. Sorry guys.

Maybe policy isn't the right word but it felt like you were talking less about why LC is a wolf and more about why LC is weird and suspicious — like you said you say you're standing by your read and then you immediately start undermining your own arguments and saying oh everything I was wolfreading was just personality stuff. Your argument also doesn't really mesh with the reason you gave for your vote? Like you justified it based off of agreeing to much and mechanics talk and generally being too passive it seems like you're arguing the opposite right now. There's a weird mindset thing, shouldn't people saying lc tends to be an agressive player make you more suspicious of a slow start, not less?


cass's original vote for reference:

Spoiler: show

Having played with PSInightmare before im surprised that your takeaway is a scum lean. I'm thinking shes town tbh

I mean I said 'maybe slight' scum lean. I do find it interesting that other people jumped on it so quickly, though.

I do think reading too much into psi's tone is ill-advised though. That wasn't my intent with my callout of her. I can confirm as well that she always writes like this. But also, I feel like she was good at using her posting style to her advantage when she was mafia before, so I feel wary of TRing her based on this as you seem to be?

Still, I'm not sure she's my prime suspect atm. Going to go back and read over the thread more carefully.

Wait, you have meta experience with PSI? Why did you wait to mention this now, and not when you made that post saying you suspected her?

I followed your first post about her, but I don't have meta experience with PSI. The other guy who does have it defended her after I made that case. But now that people are calling the case in question, you decide to remind us that you know her meta and change your read to a more null one?

Uh, sort of? Carotte asked me specifically for reads on the people I already did have meta experience with, but most of them hadn't really made any posts, and I wanted to have something rather than just saying 'they're all null!' This was kinda my strongest feeling at the time based on the, like, 3 posts the people I already knew had made. But to be honest I'm not super attached to this read so... ehh.

The read wasn't based on tone/writing style, bc I do know she always writes like this. I understand people who don't know her reading her tone as suspicious, but my read was based more on the fact that she seemed to not be trying to have her reads stand out. I feel like chardonnay may have confused my post and your post on PSI and thought that I was calling out PSI's tone, which I was not, even if I was pointing at the same post. But at the same time I disagree with chardonnay here that the tone is a meta reason to townread her either, because she's good at maintaining that tone regardless of alignment ime.

@chardonnay you didn't really specify why you're feeling psi as town beyond 'she often comes across as appeasing' -- could you go into more detail? For me, meta experience would seem to imply she should be floating somewhere around the middle, I'm not sure where you're getting town from.

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Re the other stuff going on:

Count me in as not a fan of Jiwon's posting this game either. "inactivity is NAI" doesn't apply when the person is posting but just choosing not to engage.

I don't really see the suspicion of cayvie, or at least I don't see myself voting for Cayvie today when there are better options on the table.

I can also get behind the LC wagon. I don't feel like he's contributed a whole lot of original stuff beyond mechanical speculation and agreeing with other people's reads.

I'll do [VOTE: long con] aubergine for now.

also why does it say aubergine whenever people vote lol

i don't think long con is a wolf

[cayvie]

Actually sorry.

4 names not 2. Since we have 4 yeets.

So if you can townread everyone but 4 and be right, you're golden.

dov, wilgy, carot, fatmo

[cayvie]

town-to-mafia ordering, combining associative reads from U-G and MJ

chardonnay (low, low)
cassowary (low, low)
psi (low, medium)
long con (medium, low)
ddl (medium, low)
carot (high, low)
fatmo (medium, medium)
dov (medium, medium)
drwilgy (high, high)

the parentheses are their compatibilities with UG and MJ respectively.

i would definitely not mind some other eyes on this stuff, especially wilgy. check that im not just confbiasing myself there.

[chardonnay]

Pretty sure that Marcher was a bus since at any given time D2 most the roster suspected them. B/C of that Im not inclined to clear ppl for the matcher scum read without reinvestigating context for when/who/how Marcher cuaght heat. If the point between "Slight suspicion" and "yeah lotsa sus there" can be identified then that should help a lot in figuring out bussers.

Otherwise scum is the semi-clueless posters DoV, and Wigilgy, and im thinking thats not the right path.

I'll get on that in a sec. Also theres a few others I need to look into.

-/-/-/-

Also we don't have 100% have 4 misyeets, If mafia has burner on borad then, and we have no healer, then we could have as few as 2 misyeets before lylo

Im not sure how Jack was burned and saved yesterday, but today he wasn't. So yea, lets not get over confedant.

[chardonnay]

town-to-mafia ordering, combining associative reads from U-G and MJ

chardonnay (low, low)
cassowary (low, low)
psi (low, medium)
long con (medium, low)
ddl (medium, low)
carot (high, low)
fatmo (medium, medium)
dov (medium, medium)
drwilgy (high, high)

the parentheses are their compatibilities with UG and MJ respectively.

i would definitely not mind some other eyes on this stuff, especially wilgy. check that im not just confbiasing myself there.

What assossitatives did PSI have with Marcher?

[cayvie]

What assossitatives did PSI have with Marcher?

on my readthrough, i considered a plausible narrative in which mj was intentionally hard bussed.

i can see this post in particular as PSI testing the waters to see if maybe circumstances, thread dynamics have changed enough to not have to bus MJ

Spoiler: show

Have a thing I want to say to @Dragon D. Luffy that isn't game-relevant enough to be outside of a spoiler box.

Spoiler: show

If I'm being honest here, I've been a bit bothered by the way you kept pushing me about my U-G read. And then sort of made a point after he flipped about how I should have been stronger in my convictions. The thing is, I did vote--if only temporarily--and I only switched because I knew the thread wasn't responsive to my case. I was going to come back to him later. I'm not a "set in stone" kind of player who sticks to their convictions no matter what, that's just not my playstyle. I'm a fluid player who changes my behavior according to the thread state. If the majority of the players don't think my case holds water, then I'll save it for another time and move on to something more important. That's just the way I play. So I feel like there may have been some personality clashing between us.

However, I do admit I'm in the wrong here too. I was the one bragging about my reads and complaining that nobody ever listens to me, but if I really thought I was right I should have stuck to my guns. I'm sorry for being rather snarky about the whole ordeal. That's my fault.

I don't wish to discuss this much further as it's not directly related to the game state or either of our alignments. I just thought I should bring it to your attention.

Ok, I'm sorry that I was somewhat of a jerk to you. I made those posts knowing there was a chance I might offend to you, but decided to do it anyway because I felt like I was in the right. But I admit I could have found kinder ways to say it. So I apologize.

I just made those posts because you were giving me the feeling that you played the game to feel right about reads rather than to win it, and that bothered me. But I also didn't know the bit about how you expected the game to have a majority lynch, so that changes the perspective somewhat. Anyway, hope we can be in good terms from n0ow on, you seem like a cool person.

All right, glad we've got that sorted out. *thumbs up* We cool now.

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I just realized that Carotte may be hard-pocketing me and has been doing so for much of the game. It started when everyone else was suspecting me and she was the only one insisting she thought I was town, and has continued all the way up to her soft-defending me while attacking DDL. Very odd... I will look into this.

Not sure how I feel about Dov randomly dropping in to complain about being scumread and then dropping back out again to ignore us asking him to put in some effort. Feels more like he wants our pity rather than actually wanting to prove his towniness to us. @dov Please come back!

Still steadily ignoring the Marcher wagon right now because it feels off. Yesterday I was totally convinced it was right, but Today I'm not so sure. Either we're way off base and Marcher is just town, or everyone on the scumteam thinks Marcher is doomed and wants that sweet towncred. Whatever the answer is, I'm not currently comfortable with the wagon. I'll see how I feel closer to EoD.

@Marcher Jovian I do think you really need to use your gladiator ability soon. At this point I'm worried it's a fakeclaim. Does anyone else have any ideas on who Marcher should use it on? Maybe Carotte?

Cass is moving up the townreads to sit next to Chard in Moderate Townlean. Nothing else has changed with my reads.

[chardonnay]

Wigly's inclination to not pay v much attion to the game thread to the point it feels like he's never fully in the loop with what's going on is so obtusely anti-town I feel like experienced scum at least try to act like their following the game in a meaningful capacity. Espesally coming in not realizing things like Marcher using their gladiator power limiting whose voteable. It at least feels like scum would have talked about "what should marcher do today, and what should we do today" leading up until this point. Unless Wigly just decided to play like this intentionally, or fake it, which I see as unlikely.

I have had a bad habit in the past of town reading abrasive/obtrusive/arrogant behavior as occcams razor- coming from town. SO if anybody hard disagrees here pls let me know.

-/-/-/-/

DoV I see having scumy potential due to his avoidance of pressure, and ignoring other players attempts to draw him out. It seem like he's actively trying to have little impact on the game state, which is not a townie mindset.

-/-/-/-

Pre-edit

THank you Cayvie, thing is that I did had a sorta similar feeling as PSI coming into D3. Nuetron flipped town, and I wasn't 100% sure Marcher was the right flip anymore. So while I acknowledge that it could be PSI!scum prospecting for a option thats not her buddy, I feel obligated to say it could also be unsure townie pretty easily.

[chardonnay]

I noticed a point that it makes sense for Marcher to gladiate a fellow mafiaso, and im inclined to agree with that.

I feel like in Scum!marcher's situation this game my brain would also be going straight to "How can I make my buddies look better." THe fact that Marcher dosnt have preconceived reasons in thread for DoV pick also seems like spur of the moment distancing that wasn't thought out v well.

[Long Con]

Is dov's name an acronym?

[chardonnay]

Im hard scum reading Fatmo, but im not really seeing any hard evidence that makes me thing he cant be scum.

I guess the most town like thing about him s that both flipped NKs town read Fatmo p hard. I don't think that Marcher would choose those kills for his self preservation exclusively as they kinda were the de-facto flip yesterday ,and today. SO if Fatmo is scum that probably mean that last scum would have been in Alisons, and Nuetlla's line of sight. Which is an extra jump in logic for Fatmo to be mafia.

-/-/-/
Pre-edit

Yeah, it stands for "Demon's Octagonal Vollyball" get with it LC.

[chardonnay]

Im not hard scum reading Fatmo* lol

[Long Con]

Im hard scum reading Fatmo, but im not really seeing any hard evidence that makes me thing he cant be scum.

I guess the most town like thing about him s that both flipped NKs town read Fatmo p hard. I don't think that Marcher would choose those kills for his self preservation exclusively as they kinda were the de-facto flip yesterday ,and today. SO if Fatmo is scum that probably mean that last scum would have been in Alisons, and Nuetlla's line of sight. Which is an extra jump in logic for Fatmo to be mafia.

-/-/-/
Pre-edit

Yeah, it stands for "Demon's Octagonal Vollyball" get with it LC.

[chardonnay]

LC implying I wont always be 24 is just </3 ;.; </3

I'll never trust you again LC

[Long Con]

LC implying I wont always be 24 is just </3 ;.; </3

I'll never trust you again LC

Dude I'm 41 but still feel nebulously in my twenties at heart. Some of my friends have bad knees n' shit. My body is still strong and beautiful; I don't think I will accept my age until I start to break down.

That said, never trust anyone over 30, right?

[PSINightmareEmpower]

I had a stoke trying to read this lol

psi, who would you vote for out of { dov, marcher } ?

Kind of pointless to answer since Marcher obviously flipped wolf, but I'll do it anyway. Um...before EoD, I'm not actually sure. I probably would have voted Marcher, but I was also heavily considering Dov since I think they're both scum and I wanted to see what would happen. I probably could have flipped a coin and been happy with either result.

Actually sorry.

4 names not 2. Since we have 4 yeets.

So if you can townread everyone but 4 and be right, you're golden.

Uh...I still think the remaining two are Dov and Carotte, but...I guess Cayvie and Fatmo would be the most likely deepwolves in my townreads? Maybe. Not sure.

[chardonnay]

LC implying I wont always be 24 is just </3 ;.; </3

I'll never trust you again LC

Dude I'm 41 but still feel nebulously in my twenties at heart. Some of my friends have bad knees n' shit. My body is still strong and beautiful; I don't think I will accept my age until I start to break down.

That said, never trust anyone over 30, right?

I know you're 41, I checked your profile a while back haha. If your mafia playing history predates these forums I think I'd like to ask you some things post game, if that's ok?

-/-/-/-/-

I had planned to do more tonight, given that town discussion has slowed somewhat. its important to not get complacent in mid game b/c end game will be rougher. Though Im ready for bed atm. Fortently im off tomorrow so I can be more productive then normal.

[mention]PSINightmareEmpower[/mention]

You said you wanted to work with me more directly this game the other day. What times are you available tomarrow?

[PSINightmareEmpower]

[mention]chardonnay[/mention] Um...8:30-9:30 A.M. probably and 12:00-1:00 P.M. I think? (I'm PST btw so do the math for your timezone) I only have one hour increments mid-day. If I don't die during this Night I might be available in the evening as well...but don't count on me making it that long.

[PSINightmareEmpower]

I had a stoke trying to read this lol

Apparently I also had a stroke trying to spell the word stroke

[Long Con]

I had a stoke trying to read this lol

Apparently I also had a stroke trying to spell the word stroke

[Long Con]

I know you're 41, I checked your profile a while back haha. If your mafia playing history predates these forums I think I'd like to ask you some things post game, if that's ok?

Ha ha yeah that's fine. This is my fourth main mafia forum, and I'm full of crazy old-timer stories.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Ok so my PoE is

Dov
Wilgy
Cass
Carotte

Not necessarily in this order and subject to change at whim.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Wigly's inclination to not pay v much attion to the game thread to the point it feels like he's never fully in the loop with what's going on is so obtusely anti-town I feel like experienced scum at least try to act like their following the game in a meaningful capacity. Espesally coming in not realizing things like Marcher using their gladiator power limiting whose voteable. It at least feels like scum would have talked about "what should marcher do today, and what should we do today" leading up until this point. Unless Wigly just decided to play like this intentionally, or fake it, which I see as unlikely.

I have had a bad habit in the past of town reading abrasive/obtrusive/arrogant behavior as occcams razor- coming from town. SO if anybody hard disagrees here pls let me know.

-/-/-/-/

DoV I see having scumy potential due to his avoidance of pressure, and ignoring other players attempts to draw him out. It seem like he's actively trying to have little impact on the game state, which is not a townie mindset.

-/-/-/-

Pre-edit

THank you Cayvie, thing is that I did had a sorta similar feeling as PSI coming into D3. Nuetron flipped town, and I wasn't 100% sure Marcher was the right flip anymore. So while I acknowledge that it could be PSI!scum prospecting for a option thats not her buddy, I feel obligated to say it could also be unsure townie pretty easily.

Wilgy I think kind of plays that way regardless of alignment. He doesn't do that every game, but when he does, it's not his role card that dictates his level of activity I'm afraid.

[cassowary]

My PoE I think is {Wilgy, Dov, Carotte, LC}. But I'm not really sure about the fourth person, there. Cayvie you give Fatmo a (medium, medium) associative -- is that just because Fatmo didn't interact with UG or MJ, or is there something else you're looking at to base that on?

[chardonnay]

Wigly's inclination to not pay v much attion to the game thread to the point it feels like he's never fully in the loop with what's going on is so obtusely anti-town I feel like experienced scum at least try to act like their following the game in a meaningful capacity. Espesally coming in not realizing things like Marcher using their gladiator power limiting whose voteable. It at least feels like scum would have talked about "what should marcher do today, and what should we do today" leading up until this point. Unless Wigly just decided to play like this intentionally, or fake it, which I see as unlikely.

I have had a bad habit in the past of town reading abrasive/obtrusive/arrogant behavior as occcams razor- coming from town. SO if anybody hard disagrees here pls let me know.

Wilgy I think kind of plays that way regardless of alignment. He doesn't do that every game, but when he does, it's not his role card that dictates his level of activity I'm afraid.

so I am making a mistake for town reading that behavior. hmm, thanks.

-/-/-/-

I think my pool is [DoV, Carotte, Fatmo, Wigley] Dov probably being my vote tomorrow, and the other three being fairly interchangeable as last scum.

[chardonnay]

My PoE I think is {Wilgy, Dov, Carotte, LC}. But I'm not really sure about the fourth person, there. Cayvie you give Fatmo a (medium, medium) associative -- is that just because Fatmo didn't interact with UG or MJ, or is there something else you're looking at to base that on?

Can you talk to me more on your Carotte read?

[chardonnay]

@chardonnay Um...8:30-9:30 A.M. probably and 12:00-1:00 P.M. I think? (I'm PST btw so do the math for your timezone) I only have one hour increments mid-day. If I don't die during this Night I might be available in the evening as well...but don't count on me making it that long.

yeah, im having an easier time playing at night then during the day too. Day gets full of irl responsibilities and distractions .-.

ill be most active from 10pm est time into the late night. So as long as neither of us die before then we should be able to work the game out together tonight.

[PSINightmareEmpower]

Legacy reads in case I die:

Chardonnay
Long Con
DrWilgy
Dragon D. Luffy
Cayvie
Cassowary
Fatmo
Carotenoid
Dov

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

[mention]PSINightmareEmpower[/mention] dies in the night, she was town:

Toph (Earth Kingdom)

Blind Sight: You may be blind, but you can see better than just about anyone. You’re also a human lie detector—every night you can target someone and determine their alignment. You are town, and you win when all the mafia are dead.

[mention]chardonnay[/mention] has been burnt, and will die at EOD if not healed.

[mention]Carotenoid[/mention]
[mention]cassowary[/mention]
[mention]cayvie[/mention]
[mention]chardonnay[/mention]
[mention]dov[/mention]
[mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention]
[mention]DrWilgy[/mention]
[mention]Fatmo[/mention]
[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention]
[mention]Long Con[/mention]

D4 ends September 11, 4 pm EDT or at 7 votes for one player.

Postcaps are these plus 66:

[PSINightmareEmpower]

Good luck everyone! T'was an honor to play with you all.

[cayvie]

aw, PSINE, it was fun to meet you!

thank you for leaving a lot of readlists
also since you were earth kingdom and we lost Aang and Gyatso so early, seems likely that you got some solid hits/clears in

Day 1 Readlist (no checks):

Spoiler: show

All right, binary list I can do.

Strong to moderate town/unwilling to vote:
Alison
Cayvie
Nutella

Mild to super super light townlean/likely won't vote:
Fatmo
DDL
Chardonnay
JoH

Perfectly null/we probably have better options but I could vote:
Dov
Wilgy
Kitsu
Jiwon

Super super light to mild scumlean/would vote pretty easily:
Neutron
LC
Carot
Cass

Moderate to strong scum/100% okay with voting:
U-G

Night 1 Readlist (no checks):

Spoiler: show

Current reads, in order, are:

Strong to moderate townlean:
Alison
Nutella
Cayvie

Mild townlean:
Fatmo
DDL
Chard

Null w/ slight towniness:
Cass
Jack

Total null:
DrWilgy
LC

Null w/ slight scumminess:
Carot

Mild scumlean:
Dov
U-G

Moderate to strong scumlean:
Neutron
Marcher

Sorry I have so many categories X_X My reads are very specific and I can't divide them up with any fewer categories. It would probably be easier if I could use colors like I do on Starmen.

Day 2 first post (1 check):

Spoiler: show

Nooo Nutellaaaaa!!! I will avenge you!!!!!

Welp. We were a nice town bloc while it lasted. *salute*

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[VOTE: Marcher Jovian] aubergine

I think this is pretty obvious. If Marcher flips scum we go after Neutron next. If Marcher flips town...Neutron could still be scum, but we also look at Cass, LC, and Dov. (Worth noting that unless Dov does something super townie by the time we get around to him, he's still probably going to get chopped at some point.)

I will say that I am currently very uncomfortable with the Cass wagon. It feels too...easy? Does anyone even have a legitimate case on them? It still feels like universal scumread is the only reason. I'm not seeing any real reason to scumread them right now. I do want to do an ISO, but I'm not sure I'll really find anything there.

What do we think about Jack getting burned? If it's a mafia poisoner, we can basically consider him clear, but I don't know if there would ever be a town-sided poisoner-type role.

Also, does the presence of an indie get announced by the host of every game? As in, do we know there almost certainly isn't one since Nanook didn't mention it, or is it like on Starmen where you can basically expect at least one per game?

to me this reads like either a redcheck on MJ or a green check on Cassowary.

Day 3 readlist (2 checks):

Spoiler: show

Honestly I don't really see the huge benefit of doing this popcorn style either, but I'm trying to honor Alison's wishes when she was alive, so chances are she was totally right about how it might change things. So I feel we should do it anyway.

My list would look like this:
Town: PSI, Cayvie, Chard, Jack
Weak town: Cass, Fatmo, DDL
Null: Wilgy, LC
Scum: Marcher, Dov, Carotte

I can move Carotte up to null to reconcile with everyone else, but not moving her up any higher.

I don't want to waste too much time on this, so since Dov is in everyone's scum list, I think we can start with him. @dov Please place a vote! (I already know what it will be but yeah.) I'm not sure when Dov will come around, so we might be able to start on the nulls and let @DrWilgy and @Long Con vote now too.

mmm this looks like a night 2 red on Carotte

Night 3 readlist (2 checks):

Spoiler: show

Legacy reads in case I die:

Chardonnay
Long Con
DrWilgy
Dragon D. Luffy
Cayvie
Cassowary
Fatmo
Carotenoid
Dov

hmm, maybe a green on long con or wilgy, comparing this to her earlier post in the day? i still think a red on carot or dov is in the picture.

anyone with more PSINE experience have an instinct on how she'd play as cop?

[Carotenoid]

LC and Wilgy are bolded in her last read list, I feel like these are her 2 checks? I think it would make sense for PSINE to check people that are more on the middle/low-posting side to sort them better.

[cayvie]

LC and Wilgy are bolded in her last read list, I feel like these are her 2 checks? I think it would make sense for PSINE to check people that are more on the middle/low-posting side to sort them better.

yeah, that could be it!

[Carotenoid]

hmmn yeah the more I think about it the more I'm convinced these are green checks, she felt like she was dying so she most probably have put attention to her last post.

I also think LC & DrWilgy are probably town independently so it just feels good.

btw Cayvie I saw your association post, I don't have time to do rereading now but I will try to do so before EoD!

Spoiler: show

i also dreamed that cayvie was scum and that we lost but lol

[cayvie]

yeah i think you've cracked it, carot. i'm pretty comfortable treating LC and Wilgy as confirmed town. which should narrow our POE considerably!

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Blind Sight: You may be blind, but you can see better than just about anyone. You’re also a human lie detector—every night you can target someone and determine their alignment. You are town, and you win when all the mafia are dead.

Legacy reads in case I die:

Chardonnay
Long Con
DrWilgy
Dragon D. Luffy
Cayvie
Cassowary
Fatmo
Carotenoid
Dov

[VOTE: dov] aubergine

See you next day phase!

[Carotenoid]

DDL do you think PSINE just randomly bolded 2 names in her list?

[cayvie]

i think, if there's 2 mafia left, and the poisoner is mafia, then we have one safe ML left? so we need a POE of 3?

i mean dov is definitely in that POE, i guess if wilgy is cleared that leaves me at dov/fatmo/carotenoid

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Oh didn't see the bold.

You are right.

UNVOTE

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I was about to say the setup might have a godfather but nanook randomized the roles so it probably doesn't unless he considered the possibility of a town godfather (or maybe a role that always fools investigations on whatever side it is? Could be).

I don't wanna vote based on this tinfoil until the endgame, though. For now I'm gonna stay clear off Wilgy/LC.

[cayvie]

I was about to say the setup might have a godfather but nanook randomized the roles so it probably doesn't unless he considered the possibility of a town godfather (or maybe a role that always fools investigations on whatever side it is? Could be).

I don't wanna vote based on this tinfoil until the endgame, though. For now I'm gonna stay clear off Wilgy/LC.

lmao a role that's godfather if mafia and miller if town

i think that would be a little bastard

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Hey [mention]cayvie[/mention] did you receive my tea?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I was about to say the setup might have a godfather but nanook randomized the roles so it probably doesn't unless he considered the possibility of a town godfather (or maybe a role that always fools investigations on whatever side it is? Could be).

I don't wanna vote based on this tinfoil until the endgame, though. For now I'm gonna stay clear off Wilgy/LC.

lmao a role that's godfather if mafia and miller if town

i think that would be a little bastard

I'm saying it because a cop in a small setup like this is borderline OP if mafia doesn't have a godfather.

[Carotenoid]

i think, if there's 2 mafia left, and the poisoner is mafia, then we have one safe ML left? so we need a POE of 3?

i mean dov is definitely in that POE, i guess if wilgy is cleared that leaves me at dov/fatmo/carotenoid

I'm like 90% sure the poisoner is mafia here, makes no sense for chardonnay to be targeted otherwise.

But yeah, normally we have minimum 1 safe mischop left

Cayvie what are your reasons to clear DDL?

[DrWilgy]

Goodnight PSI. Hope to play with you again in the future. Sorry for the slank.

Let's yeet Cayvie.