Radiohead Mafia [GAME OVER]

[tutuu]

Doesn't this practically confirm that there is mafia inside SPF, Mac, Alison? The only reason I can see why they would roleblock Tutuu is to prevent themselves from getting roleblocked by her jailkeeper?

I dont roleblock ppl i jusy delay their night reports by 1 phase

[MacDougall]

So Wilgy's "red flag" is that he claimed that only one person visited on n1 but in fact both Dyslexicon AND Tim are claiming to have?

Also that he tracked JPIC to Tutuu but Tutuu didn't get post capped.

Hmmmmm

[MacDougall]

Tutu is it possible you were jailkept last night?

I am the jailkeeper!

If Wilgy is town, the only explanation I have is that mafia or 3p redirected juliets (the second pseudo-jailkeeper) to me, preventing me from getting afflicted, but JPIC still gets to visit me

Jailkeeper's roleblock and protect

Doesn't this practically confirm that there is mafia inside SPF, Mac, Alison? The only reason I can see why they would roleblock Tutuu is to prevent themselves from getting roleblocked by her jailkeeper?

I dont roleblock ppl i jusy delay their night reports by 1 phase

So you aren't a jailkeeper?

[tutuu]

My action on alison failed

Guessing roleblocked

And MR was killed cuz he would gave caught the roleblocker

Before we progress any further we have to ask ourselves the very obvious question.

Why did Tutuu's action on Alison fail.

Alison cop checked LC and claimed it three posts before this.

Furthermore why was she told her action failed?

Wait why was i told that my action failed when im a protective this is most peculiar

Nvm we gucci bois

Please explain how we gucci?

we gucci cuz i knew i was roleblocked cuz it would have been my last shot (im 3 shot) but since it got refunded from the roleblock thats why i was notifed

also my jk on alison n1 was successful so she doesnt have passive 3p protection and stuff. shes obviously town bruh

[tutuu]

Tutu is it possible you were jailkept last night?

I am the jailkeeper!

If Wilgy is town, the only explanation I have is that mafia or 3p redirected juliets (the second pseudo-jailkeeper) to me, preventing me from getting afflicted, but JPIC still gets to visit me

Jailkeeper's roleblock and protect

Doesn't this practically confirm that there is mafia inside SPF, Mac, Alison? The only reason I can see why they would roleblock Tutuu is to prevent themselves from getting roleblocked by her jailkeeper?

I dont roleblock ppl i jusy delay their night reports by 1 phase

So you aren't a jailkeeper?

I pick target. Target protected from impediments - kills and negative actions, coming from both town and scum. any report they would have received, instead of start of day, they receive at end of day

[MacDougall]

makes sense toots.

[staypositivefriend]

LC is just town

my two votes are going on JPIC and sprit and the two of them are basically racing in the thread to see which of them makes me want to kill them more right now

i think tim’s claim is too complicated to be fake? and it seems like it wouldn’t be a scum role? but idk

i lean town on him independently of his claim too

I thought nutella's claim seemed real too. There's a chance Sloonei furnished wolves with fakeclaims (which I guess makes JPIC look better).

If I townread Tim, it's going to be because tutuu/Hally townread him and because he towntelled in one of his posts, not because of his claim or lack of diplomacy.

Just a courtesy note to say that I'm shifting my vote to [VOTE: sprityo and nanook] aubergine. Tim has towntelled a bit lately and at any rate I'm convinced it's strictly incorrect to vote outside of Hally's three-person POE today. Arguments have been made for JPIC being town, and the deciding factor was Mac's plan (which I trust since it seems to be backed up by mech information) calling for JPIC to be given one more day to gather information.

Which brings something else to mind. ted, why did you think that Mac had no mech information and was just trying to push his desired reads? I read Mac's posts as being backed by mech information from his role, and so did almost everyone else.

i struggle to understand why "is JPIC scum?" was a question that was even in contention for alison on d2. she knew that JPIC's claim confirmed him as scum, so why did she even give credence to the idea that he could be town?

[MacDougall]

weird policy to refund x shot roles that are roleblocked though, I'd always just consider them gone

[MacDougall]

LC is just town

my two votes are going on JPIC and sprit and the two of them are basically racing in the thread to see which of them makes me want to kill them more right now

i think tim’s claim is too complicated to be fake? and it seems like it wouldn’t be a scum role? but idk

i lean town on him independently of his claim too

I thought nutella's claim seemed real too. There's a chance Sloonei furnished wolves with fakeclaims (which I guess makes JPIC look better).

If I townread Tim, it's going to be because tutuu/Hally townread him and because he towntelled in one of his posts, not because of his claim or lack of diplomacy.

Just a courtesy note to say that I'm shifting my vote to [VOTE: sprityo and nanook] aubergine. Tim has towntelled a bit lately and at any rate I'm convinced it's strictly incorrect to vote outside of Hally's three-person POE today. Arguments have been made for JPIC being town, and the deciding factor was Mac's plan (which I trust since it seems to be backed up by mech information) calling for JPIC to be given one more day to gather information.

Which brings something else to mind. ted, why did you think that Mac had no mech information and was just trying to push his desired reads? I read Mac's posts as being backed by mech information from his role, and so did almost everyone else.

i struggle to understand why "is JPIC scum?" was a question that was even in contention for alison on d2. she knew that JPIC's claim confirmed him as scum, so why did she even give credence to the idea that he could be town?

intrigue

have you read her herm sub ISO? it's glorious

[staypositivefriend]

LC is just town

my two votes are going on JPIC and sprit and the two of them are basically racing in the thread to see which of them makes me want to kill them more right now

i think tim’s claim is too complicated to be fake? and it seems like it wouldn’t be a scum role? but idk

i lean town on him independently of his claim too

I thought nutella's claim seemed real too. There's a chance Sloonei furnished wolves with fakeclaims (which I guess makes JPIC look better).

If I townread Tim, it's going to be because tutuu/Hally townread him and because he towntelled in one of his posts, not because of his claim or lack of diplomacy.

Just a courtesy note to say that I'm shifting my vote to [VOTE: sprityo and nanook] aubergine. Tim has towntelled a bit lately and at any rate I'm convinced it's strictly incorrect to vote outside of Hally's three-person POE today. Arguments have been made for JPIC being town, and the deciding factor was Mac's plan (which I trust since it seems to be backed up by mech information) calling for JPIC to be given one more day to gather information.

Which brings something else to mind. ted, why did you think that Mac had no mech information and was just trying to push his desired reads? I read Mac's posts as being backed by mech information from his role, and so did almost everyone else.

i struggle to understand why "is JPIC scum?" was a question that was even in contention for alison on d2. she knew that JPIC's claim confirmed him as scum, so why did she even give credence to the idea that he could be town?

intrigue

have you read her herm sub ISO? it's glorious

yeah im reading through it now, and it's rough. i still find alison being scum to be an incredibly difficult sell but i see the logic. her fixation on defending & posturing how much she townread herm is uncomfortable in hindsight

[MacDougall]

Herm silently votes for DrWilgy lol

[MacDougall]

LC is just town

my two votes are going on JPIC and sprit and the two of them are basically racing in the thread to see which of them makes me want to kill them more right now

i think tim’s claim is too complicated to be fake? and it seems like it wouldn’t be a scum role? but idk

i lean town on him independently of his claim too

I thought nutella's claim seemed real too. There's a chance Sloonei furnished wolves with fakeclaims (which I guess makes JPIC look better).

If I townread Tim, it's going to be because tutuu/Hally townread him and because he towntelled in one of his posts, not because of his claim or lack of diplomacy.

Just a courtesy note to say that I'm shifting my vote to [VOTE: sprityo and nanook] aubergine. Tim has towntelled a bit lately and at any rate I'm convinced it's strictly incorrect to vote outside of Hally's three-person POE today. Arguments have been made for JPIC being town, and the deciding factor was Mac's plan (which I trust since it seems to be backed up by mech information) calling for JPIC to be given one more day to gather information.

Which brings something else to mind. ted, why did you think that Mac had no mech information and was just trying to push his desired reads? I read Mac's posts as being backed by mech information from his role, and so did almost everyone else.

i struggle to understand why "is JPIC scum?" was a question that was even in contention for alison on d2. she knew that JPIC's claim confirmed him as scum, so why did she even give credence to the idea that he could be town?

intrigue

have you read her herm sub ISO? it's glorious

yeah im reading through it now, and it's rough. i still find alison being scum to be an incredibly difficult sell but i see the logic. her fixation on defending & posturing how much she townread herm is uncomfortable in hindsight

Considering that out of the gate three of her team were dead to rights she has to hard shield the last one right? It's tactically exactly the correct move.

[tutuu]

weird policy to refund x shot roles that are roleblocked though, I'd always just consider them gone

Same

[tutuu]

I am extremely shocked to see alison getting jumped on

She was the n1 kill from scum? We know its not mac cuz 1) mac wasnt doctored 2) nanook didnt get an extra vote

And

Me and MR both protected alison?

I guess 3p tinfoil on alison i cant disprove but it still feels unbelievable to me to tinfoil alison, and i tinfoiled lotta stuff this game frands

[tutuu]

If ur scumreading her based on mountainous "she hard defended wolf herm" - nah. i mean i told her d1 if she remembers cobbler from a past game. in that game cobbler (maf) just did some derpy likeable posts and i guess sometimes alison becomes a sucker to townread stuff like that and it happened again with herm

[staypositivefriend]

I am extremely shocked to see alison getting jumped on

She was the n1 kill from scum? We know its not mac cuz 1) mac wasnt doctored 2) nanook didnt get an extra vote

And

Me and MR both protected alison?

I guess 3p tinfoil on alison i cant disprove but it still feels unbelievable to me to tinfoil alison, and i tinfoiled lotta stuff this game frands

i'm considering it right now in the name of not blindly commuting myself to townreads that i can't logically justify, and if i'm being honest, there is a case on alison. it's one with some holes, but it exists

holistically speaking i would still consider alison to be town but i would rather explore this avenue now instead of waiting until the f5 to get paranoid

[staypositivefriend]

if i use my good old pal occams razor it tells me that herm and dr are the remaining scum and that's it

[tutuu]

Yea herm and wilgy are the mafia and samusamu is the 3p

[MacDougall]

I am extremely shocked to see alison getting jumped on

She was the n1 kill from scum? We know its not mac cuz 1) mac wasnt doctored 2) nanook didnt get an extra vote

And

Me and MR both protected alison?

I guess 3p tinfoil on alison i cant disprove but it still feels unbelievable to me to tinfoil alison, and i tinfoiled lotta stuff this game frands

i'm considering it right now in the name of not blindly commuting myself to townreads that i can't logically justify, and if i'm being honest, there is a case on alison. it's one with some holes, but it exists

holistically speaking i would still consider alison to be town but i would rather explore this avenue now instead of waiting until the f5 to get paranoid

What she said

[Long Con]

So Wilgy's "red flag" is that he claimed that only one person visited on n1 but in fact both Dyslexicon AND Tim are claiming to have?

Also that he tracked JPIC to Tutuu but Tutuu didn't get post capped.

Hmmmmm

For the Dizzy/Tim conundrum... is it true that Dizzy didn't claim until after Wilgy? If so, then that smacks of a not-enough-info false claim. Like, he thought it was a done deal that only Tim had visited, but there was a slanky deviant with some extra info to add, that nobody expected!

[MacDougall]

Yea herm and wilgy are the mafia and samusamu is the 3p

I reckon you're the 3p lol

[MacDougall]

So Wilgy's "red flag" is that he claimed that only one person visited on n1 but in fact both Dyslexicon AND Tim are claiming to have?

Also that he tracked JPIC to Tutuu but Tutuu didn't get post capped.

Hmmmmm

For the Dizzy/Tim conundrum... is it true that Dizzy didn't claim until after Wilgy? If so, then that smacks of a not-enough-info false claim. Like, he thought it was a done deal that only Tim had visited, but there was a slanky deviant with some extra info to add, that nobody expected!

Very correct.

[tutuu]

Yea herm and wilgy are the mafia and samusamu is the 3p

I reckon you're the 3p lol

Jules role prevents all non-town actions on acting on her target (3p included as non-town, this was elaborated)

We both targeted alison n1 and alison was stuck in a lift

*dabs*

[Long Con]

When considering the inverse, that scum-Dizzy did this to implicate Wilgy... I find that much harder to believe.

[MacDougall]

Yea herm and wilgy are the mafia and samusamu is the 3p

I reckon you're the 3p lol

Jules role prevents all non-town actions on acting on her target (3p included as non-town, this was elaborated)

We both targeted alison n1 and alison was stuck in a lift

*dabs*

You're in the clear then!

[Long Con]

Never doubted you for a sec, tutuu!

[MacDougall]

So JPIC, if you weren't under orders from Mac who would you be checking tonight?

Not one of the towncore, that is for sure.

Probably whoever is very low in the PoE. One of Dizzy, Long Con or Herm

[staypositivefriend]

So JPIC, if you weren't under orders from Mac who would you be checking tonight?

Not one of the towncore, that is for sure.

Probably whoever is very low in the PoE. One of Dizzy, Long Con or Herm

this line prolly clears dizzy and long con lol

[MacDougall]

We have 20 players...

Who is NOT the third party?

Gimme ONE name...

Well, I doubt any of the top three towncore (hally, Mac and Alison) are the 3P. In my experience, the 3P is usually in that good balance of just doing enough to be considered towny, but not too much in drawing the NK

In addition, the 3p are probably going to scumside soon enough because wolves are getting r e k t . Unless the rogue can win with either alignment, which I kinda doubt

JPIC outed that the mafia are getting curb stomped. Not sure that he'd say this if they had a deepwolf.

[MacDougall]

Could Poison Chan be 3p?

[Alison]

Doesn't this practically confirm that there is mafia inside SPF, Mac, Alison? The only reason I can see why they would roleblock Tutuu is to prevent themselves from getting roleblocked by her jailkeeper?

there are some other unexplained mysteries surrounding tutuu's roleblock. Townies aren't supposed to get notified if they get roleblocked if their action doesn't produce a report. tutuu did not get a report n1. I don't think that was a straight mafia roleblock - something else is going on.

If my theory is correct that the 3P can falsify things or fake mod messages (a la Wilgy's "host error"), then perhaps tutuu was falsely notified that she was roleblocked.

I don't think tutuu is the 3P because there's too high a risk of being killed at night with the jailkeeper claim. But her role or song might be linked with the 3P in some way - on two consecutive nights, mysterious things that don't seem to fit with what we know about the game mechanics have happened when someone tries to use a negative action on her.

Another thing worth noting is that her lift claim sort of outs her song, so maybe the 3P messed her up through that.

[Alison]

There’s the complicating matter here that MR actually is on the album in question

Isn't it only complicating if we believe Herm?

Well Herm’s action was locked in, and I don’t think MR had claimed. It lines up that Herm could
Wait herm was just tracked to MR?
So anyone else with a claim from that album could ruin that but I guess maybe Herm’s a wolf and the role is they learn everyone who’s on the album hm

...what are the odds that herm is telling the truth and checking an album results in herm being seen visiting everyone in that album?

but it doesn't explain why I wasn't notified when herm checked my album.

[Alison]

We have three living green checks from Alison.

She is not a protective.

She is alive day 4.

The only world we lose to is a world in which she is mafia.

Just saying ... We shouldn't discount out of hand infoyeeting her today. I'm a bit wobbly about her alignment right now I'm ngl. It's not like we can't just turbo Herm tomorrow to get back to status quo. Yeeting her and flipping her green today hard confirms three players to every other town. At this point the mafia might not even really be able to justify flipping her for that very reason.

Just saying we should discuss this.

this sounds like a horrible strategy when we have 2 slots alive that have very high scum equity

[Alison]

Also wtf are the mafia doing not clearing her green checks? Doesn't make sense.

This Radishes kill got me all oogity boogity.

I'm genuinely confused why you're so hung up about the Radishes kill, it seemed like a fairly obvious watcher kill to me. The mafia can't go around killing people with LC even if they're green checked, because he has a useless role - a protective like MR is just as confirmed town as LC (even more confirmed because he can't be 3P according to PC), and a much better role lol

[Alison]

With an Alison-Herm mafia team though... do the Day 4 reactions from them really line up with that? Talk about laying it on thick.

yeah, i'm not convinced that alison's reaction to herm being confirmed is to act as guilty/upset about not realizing that he was confirmed. i don't know what alison's scum-range is like but that didn't strike me as partner interaction

still wrapping my head around the possibility that one of us (me mac alison tutuu tsp) has to be scum but im probably just going to lynch herm today regardless and see where that leaves us - unless there's a very strong case to be made that lynching outside would be more likely to give us auto

it is within my scum range to fake that interaction but I am not scum here

I see mac has come around on it being wrong to exe me so I'm cool

[Alison]

Considering that out of the gate three of her team were dead to rights she has to hard shield the last one right? It's tactically exactly the correct move.

I hard shielded a bunch of people this game tbh, you could probably find quotes that look like I'm samu or oddmerta's partner too. I had enough clout to dismantle the nutella wagon D1 and I turned on her instead by pointing out that my entire towncore thought she was scum. I was given multiple opportunities to move off scum and stayed the course every time. Re-read my D1 if you still think I can be scum. Please don't come up with weird tinfoils on D3 and throw the game. weirdChamp

[Alison]

Also if I'm scum then where did the scum kill N1 go to? There's no town roleblocker. Two protectives (tutuu and MR) were on me. The TSP slot holstered. The only way for me to be scum there is if the 3P roleblocked the mafia carrying the kill or if I nokilled N1 after a nutella exe as some farfetched gambit. Both of those possibilities are significantly more unlikely than me just being town after super townie play D1 and a strong cop claim.

For that matter, why do I proactively claim cop if I am scum here again? I could easily say I have a roleclaim restriction, or else claim some useless role on par with nanook/LC and be left unmolested. Instead I proactively claim cop on Day 2, which would make me obliged to produce a check every night from then on, and potentially murder myself in FX if I check everyone else green. (That wouldn't happen if all my checks were murdered, but the mafia is evidently not following that strategy.)

Please don't destroy strong towncores with weird ass tinfoils that make no sense ty

[tedxtr]

A player will only be notified of a roleblock against them if they were supposed to have received a report that same night.

Makes no sense

I did not receive a report n1 and my action was successful then

You’re a jailkeeper, you aren’t supposed to be notified of anything

[tedxtr]

Poison chan makes a lot of sense as a 3P actually, Idek what her role means for town

Idk how she’s aware of what the mafia have

[tedxtr]

I think mafia team boils down to 1RB and 1RC?

[tedxtr]

[mention]Poison Chan[/mention] so go through your entire role again and abilities and everything

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I’m reasonably sure that if alison were mafia and saw her partner get red-checked her reaction would probably be to bury that partner

Or maybe in some contexts super hard defend for the WIFOM but she doesn’t seem to be super hard defending either

Fwiw

[MacDougall]

I’m reasonably sure that if alison were mafia and saw her partner get red-checked her reaction would probably be to bury that partner

Or maybe in some contexts super hard defend for the WIFOM but she doesn’t seem to be super hard defending either

Fwiw

Who are you referring to?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I’m reasonably sure that if alison were mafia and saw her partner get red-checked her reaction would probably be to bury that partner

Or maybe in some contexts super hard defend for the WIFOM but she doesn’t seem to be super hard defending either

Fwiw

Who are you referring to?

Is herm not red checked

Have I missed stuff

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I know it’s not technically a red check, but tracked to a NK when you were supposed to be somewhere else is half a red check at least

[MacDougall]

I’m reasonably sure that if alison were mafia and saw her partner get red-checked her reaction would probably be to bury that partner

Or maybe in some contexts super hard defend for the WIFOM but she doesn’t seem to be super hard defending either

Fwiw

Who are you referring to?

Is herm not red checked

Have I missed stuff

She did bury Herm as soon as the tracker got outed.

All the defense of him came the previous 3 days.

[MacDougall]

Thanks for your contributions Clem lol.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Yw

I’m going back to my cave kek

[tutuu]

Wait a sec

[tutuu]

Im a moron LOL i actually have mech info on who the 3p is