The 7th Saga [END, JJJ IS A DOOFUS]

[tutuu]

Chardo it is

[Hally]

lc is one of the best scum players on this site. i don’t think anything he’s posted so far is out of his range and it doesn’t remind me of town!lc idk

[1612]

By the way, I am kinda known for doing a lot of town reads. I think my greatest strength in terms of reading people is finding honesty??? So I apologize if I make this game into a town circle game because voting off on POE is really lame and false most of the time.... I'd like to hear what chardonnay says, looking forward to that.

[1612]

I mean, can't get omgussed if you town read everyone in the room, amirite?
(insert taps temple gif)

[Hally]

chard is a good vote too though

[tutuu]

OP doesnt say if there is maj but jay doesnt like maj right?

[Hally]

there’s probably no maj since its a light game

[tutuu]

Vietnam flashbacks of philosophers mafia the light game where every day ended in hammer except the first

[Long Con]

What's anchor info?

[1612]

you know what, it's clear tutuu isn't going to knock this shit off so I'm just going to end my tolerance early.

readslist
ted w (didn't like his "this is a pre-rand post" opening)
LC w (didn't like him asking if tutuu's post is lie detectable)
chardonnay strong w (was lightly reading w because entrance and "haha you're wrong alison" response felt kinda off tonally - exaggerated strength of read to see reactions, the way they immediately responded by coming up with an obviously bad reason to townread me to try to get me to soften up on them is pretty scummy)

town
tutuu (as mentioned, would be less likely to pull this shit as wolf)
hally v (gut read + paranoia on tutuu seems fine. obviously not out of scum range but like it's page 2 so all reads are tentative by default)
mac v gut read

AHHH, I see. Yeah I remember that quote. Contrary to what Alison believes, when I was doing my whole read of the logs, I thought that was actually pretty towny? Like Alison sees that as throwing shade on Tutu, but no I don't think mafia would throw shade so blatantly like that. Seemed like you were quite shocked at what tutu just said. I feel like if anything, the ones who are AVOIDING reading tutu and not throwing shade on her is werewolfy because they know how hard it is to successfully throw enough shade on someone who KNOWS and is SPEWING that they are town (i'm just putting all my eggs on the tutu town basket).

I don't know maybe it is Long Con just throwing shade so tutu doesn't get a free pass out of everyone's POE. Maybe Alison is right, she knows Long Con more than I do.
But ehhh I think Alison needs more to convince me. There were three people who said Long Con was mafia right? What were the reasons again? I think my mind was just sheeping honestly as I was reading along.

[chardonnay]

Catching up now

[Hally]

no reads this game have been a joke

I legitimately think LC and char are blatant mafia

why on LC though? don't really see it.

same reasons I scumread char really. Forced "LAMIST" attitude, weird questions that lead nowhere, weird handling of page 1/2 scumreads ("alison is making a federal case off one line!" after i already explained I was trying out more first post reads this game/"i townread alison for this incredibly weak reason that is trivially easy and common to fake") that makes me think they're more afraid of the early suspicion than they're trying to let on, and 0 attempts at actual solving

name an LC read. You can't.

name a chardonnay read. Well there was that read on tutuu. Oh wait they walked it back. There was that read on alison that makes no sense. That's it. Why are they voting LC? No clue. LC is ignoring them completely.

To be clear I'm not saying no reads = scum. I'm saying when you ask a ton of questions of other people and basically try really hard to look like you're solving and then at the end you don't have anything to show for it that's scummy.

They ask questions of other people about their reads but there's no followthrough. They aren't interested.

this was alisons reasoning for her sr on lc

[1612]

What's anchor info?

"I don't know. I feel like these quotes also show kind of like frustration of being scumread "naked mafia" for no actual reason besides POE and not being in the whole center of the anchor info that Day 1 was centralized around. "

Oh maybe I'm using the wrong term, maybe more like ancestor info or origin of info? The interaction between Hally, Tutu, Mac, Alison was the snowball that started rolling all the info is what I'm saying and you weren't really involved in it so I guess people scumread you based off POE or the feeling that you weren't a presence in that important convo of the game. You did post late (i think like page 4) and were absent so I'm wondering if people were just POE, NULL scumreading you.

[tutuu]

Fwiw i dont think there are roles like lie detector in this game, OP says standard vanilla roles only

[1612]

Ehhh I'm not convinced [mention]Hally[/mention] , if i can give my opinion I think that makes [mention]tedxtr[/mention] look a little more sus...? I don't know it seems like argh how do I explain this.
It could be either
1. tedxtr as town just really interested in solving why Alison scumreads Long Con
2. tedxtr as mafia knowing that Long Con is town and looking like they are contributing by trying to further Alison's tunnel by making her explain it even more

wild guesses i know but if long con flips blue, i think tedxtr might be mafia but this is just one log on tedxtr where i formulated my theory. i need to look more. I really have no idea what long con will flip as so it might just be all bad theories

[1612]

Fwiw i dont think there are roles like lie detector in this game, OP says standard vanilla roles only

Oh I didn't know Long Con was referring to a role. I thought he was just asking if your frame 1 paragraph meme was NAI or something that we can read into for info. [mention]Long Con[/mention] Can you confirm?

[Long Con]

What's anchor info?

"I don't know. I feel like these quotes also show kind of like frustration of being scumread "naked mafia" for no actual reason besides POE and not being in the whole center of the anchor info that Day 1 was centralized around. "

Oh maybe I'm using the wrong term, maybe more like ancestor info or origin of info? The interaction between Hally, Tutu, Mac, Alison was the snowball that started rolling all the info is what I'm saying and you weren't really involved in it so I guess people scumread you based off POE or the feeling that you weren't a presence in that important convo of the game. You did post late (i think like page 4) and were absent so I'm wondering if people were just POE, NULL scumreading you.

How do you define info? I usually use the term to indicate things like tracker or cop results.

[1612]

Catching up now

welcome back, i scumread you just fyi as many other people have because of what my ancestor has pointed out and there were no more logs i can read into for you. hopefully, that changes if you are town

[Long Con]

Fwiw i dont think there are roles like lie detector in this game, OP says standard vanilla roles only

Oh I didn't know Long Con was referring to a role. I thought he was just asking if your frame 1 paragraph meme was NAI or something that we can read into for info. @Long Con Can you confirm?

Lie Detector is a role that is very rarely used. It used to be a thing that people would come into games with statements like "I am town!" simply to give a possible Lie Detector something easy to check. I didn't actually think there was such a role in this game - it was a joke about tutuu's entrance being like a super-duper Lie Detectable opening.

[1612]

What's anchor info?

"I don't know. I feel like these quotes also show kind of like frustration of being scumread "naked mafia" for no actual reason besides POE and not being in the whole center of the anchor info that Day 1 was centralized around. "

Oh maybe I'm using the wrong term, maybe more like ancestor info or origin of info? The interaction between Hally, Tutu, Mac, Alison was the snowball that started rolling all the info is what I'm saying and you weren't really involved in it so I guess people scumread you based off POE or the feeling that you weren't a presence in that important convo of the game. You did post late (i think like page 4) and were absent so I'm wondering if people were just POE, NULL scumreading you.

How do you define info? I usually use the term to indicate things like tracker or cop results.

Info is uhhhh logs? I don't know, I am not referring to like actual roles as info. yeah that's game info, I just meant more about events that have happened that we can look into for info because logs are either ingenuine or genuine. That's what i mean by info.

[1612]

Fwiw i dont think there are roles like lie detector in this game, OP says standard vanilla roles only

Oh I didn't know Long Con was referring to a role. I thought he was just asking if your frame 1 paragraph meme was NAI or something that we can read into for info. @Long Con Can you confirm?

Lie Detector is a role that is very rarely used. It used to be a thing that people would come into games with statements like "I am town!" simply to give a possible Lie Detector something easy to check. I didn't actually think there was such a role in this game - it was a joke about tutuu's entrance being like a super-duper Lie Detectable opening.

Ahhhh yeah okay, well I was under the mindset that you were just asking if that was NAI or not. Now that you were referring to a joke, I see where Alison is getting at but I'm still not convinced because you were obviously joking...

[1612]

As you guys can see I do a lot of innocent until proven guilty so maybe I'm digging my hole and giving Long Con the benefit of the doubt but I don't know.... Long Con has your read on me changed since the persona swap from Alison to 1612? Or no read yet?

[1612]

I mean I guess Alison and my playstyle are like polar opposites so that question is probably NAI, eh forget it.

Btw, 20/100 posts. 80 more to go until coasting paradise. Here we go

[tutuu]

1612 ur a qtpie

[1612]

1612 ur a qtpie

[1612]

This will be a travesty if tutuu is mafia and gets away with it all

[Long Con]

As you guys can see I do a lot of innocent until proven guilty so maybe I'm digging my hole and giving Long Con the benefit of the doubt but I don't know.... Long Con has your read on me changed since the persona swap from Alison to 1612? Or no read yet?

I like your energy, but your vatchup was mostly NAI comments to me. I don't understand why tutuu is giving you her strongest town read.

[Long Con]

*catchup

[1612]

As you guys can see I do a lot of innocent until proven guilty so maybe I'm digging my hole and giving Long Con the benefit of the doubt but I don't know.... Long Con has your read on me changed since the persona swap from Alison to 1612? Or no read yet?

I like your energy, but your vatchup was mostly NAI comments to me. I don't understand why tutuu is giving you her strongest town read.

yeah a lot of them were just my social commentary, a LOT of them including you and nanook were just my own personal comments that weren't necessarily reads. probably didn't need to add that in, was just typing out loud

[1612]

I must now take my leave, "whoop whoop whoop"

[tutuu]

1612 ur a qtpie

GOD YOU RECHARGE ME WITH SO MUCH ENERGY. SO MUCH EBERGY. I JUST DID IN REAL LIFE THE THING ON UR GIF. COULDNT CONTAIN MYSLEF. DID THE SAME THIF WITH MY FACE. I. LOVE. YOU.

[tutuu]

God ur killing me 1612 i cant stop flailing my arms around and giggling if somene is watching me irl rm theyd 100% think im on weed and or heroin and or clinically insane

[chardonnay]

Im interested to see where Alison's experimental methodology leads.

How seriously do you take that?

I like seeing people try new things. Alison based off last game is a serous poster, so seeing her attempt a more intuitive style would be interesting imo.

-/-/-/-

@tutuu I think the issue with the conflict is that its not really helping the game at hand? This seems like a world veiw battle, not a alignment battle. Unless you have a read on alison?

maybe you could talk to me about somebody else on the roster if you want?

-/-/-/-/-

Hi MacDougall, I actully did manage to break up a T V T as mafia once and got lots of town cred D1. Alas it didnt last and i was on the chopping block D2.

May i ask for a succinct description of your playstyle?

Weird vibes.

Why is it weird vibes?

I make a habit of asking players who i think I'll struggle to get a read on long term how they approach the game early on. That way i can avoid making a dumb case for one alignment or the other.

Also why did you make these posts questioning my opening posts? I voted you. I feel like if you were reading the game as closely as you were trying to appear to you'd have something to say about that as well.

Obviously you're missing those things on purpose in order to build a big false narrative about me blah blah blah you are probscum as well gg.

I really hope this point about alison's slot is a joke or something lol

I cant think of a game where scum lies on purpose about who has posted what in the thread in the early game. Even more so coming from somebody as tidy as Alison

[chardonnay]

I look forward to Ob!towning the daylights out of you later then

what does this mean?

It means my green shows stronger the longer the game goes on.

Ehh, I feel like maybe my first impression paranoia of Tutuu is non-ai for her.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

How did you come to that assessment?

Also, I don't remember you mentioning LC, can you expound on that?

LC's opener was among the least town looking. So I voted to see how he/others would react since I didn't really have any SRs in the players posting in that moment in time.

-/-/-

Despite having posts and reads out I feel like Ted makes a lot of sense as scum taking advantage of the groundwork town Alison put down.

I can see you being right about no relevant reads and the handling of you, but I'm not anywhere near as confident in that over chardonnay at the moment.

also chard's vote there was a throw-away vote, so that may tint my read.

He puts a vote out on me then later acts like hes really thinking about it. It makes more sense that he sees descides to SR me from the start when he saw Alison, and Mac were ontop of me.

-/-/-/-/-

Hally early game looks less good on coming back. Kinda feels like besides TuTuu TR shes not done much.

Mac/tutuu is IDK

LC/Tedxter is probably scum. Not necessarily together though.

I've finsihed page 5. I'll try to go faster now.

[cassowary]

Obviously you're missing those things on purpose in order to build a big false narrative about me blah blah blah you are probscum as well gg.

I don't know. I feel like these quotes also show kind of like frustration of being scumread "naked mafia" for no actual reason besides POE and not being in the whole center of the anchor info that Day 1 was centralized around. Especially the second quote regarding Alison, I will disagree with her there and say that omgus seemed pretty.... idk so "shameless" and so blatantly honest that it seems town. I do think Chardonnay is a much better vote today compared to Long Con. Might even make him my town read. Oh god do people scum read people for having flip floppy reads on this site.

Obviously you're missing those things on purpose in order to build a big false narrative about me blah blah blah you are probscum as well gg.

I really hope this point about alison's slot is a joke or something lol

I'm confused as to why people are taking this LC post at face value when it reads to me as sarcasm (it literally says 'blah blah blah').

I don't read this at all as LC seriously claiming alison was missing things on purpose at all.

[chardonnay]

I'm not even gonna bother with Mac for now because I have nothing on the guy, just that he's underwhelming

but the assessment of "his pushes were good" when he commented on LC's catchup doesn't seem quite correct, and he's def not town for it

I mean I have the same assessment on LC's catchup so not really sure what other reaction you expect me to have other than "this push is good" when I see him saying the same thing

you can have your takes, but they're still incorrect

especially because Mac likes to pocket people, and mindmelding is probably the easiest tool to do it

okkkayy, I was kinda getting the vibe last page since some of the back and forth was punctuated jokey stuff that your ead there wasnt very serous. But since you are bringing it up agian I am curious the extent Mac is scum to you?

[Long Con]

Im interested to see where Alison's experimental methodology leads.

How seriously do you take that?

I like seeing people try new things. Alison based off last game is a serous poster, so seeing her attempt a more intuitive style would be interesting imo.

-/-/-/-

@tutuu I think the issue with the conflict is that its not really helping the game at hand? This seems like a world veiw battle, not a alignment battle. Unless you have a read on alison?

maybe you could talk to me about somebody else on the roster if you want?

-/-/-/-/-

Hi MacDougall, I actully did manage to break up a T V T as mafia once and got lots of town cred D1. Alas it didnt last and i was on the chopping block D2.

May i ask for a succinct description of your playstyle?

Weird vibes.

Why is it weird vibes?

Weird as in robotic and generic.

I make a habit of asking players who i think I'll struggle to get a read on long term how they approach the game early on. That way i can avoid making a dumb case for one alignment or the other.

Also why did you make these posts questioning my opening posts? I voted you. I feel like if you were reading the game as closely as you were trying to appear to you'd have something to say about that as well.

I am reading the game, and so I know that several people have called out your sketchy sheepvote already.

Obviously you're missing those things on purpose in order to build a big false narrative about me blah blah blah you are probscum as well gg.

I really hope this point about alison's slot is a joke or something lol

I cant think of a game where scum lies on purpose about who has posted what in the thread in the early game. Even more so coming from somebody as tidy as Alison

I don't really get your last point. You don't think scum lies on purpose? Do you think town lies on purpose? What exactly is "lying on purpose"? Is there accidental lying?

[Long Con]

LC's opener was among the least town looking.

What made my joke less town than other players' jokes?

[chardonnay]

People who are town reading Mac, can you explain how you do that?

He has reads and makes pushes, but so far (Im on page 6) Idk what his thought process is, and i feel like He'll meme on me if I poke him about it.

[chardonnay]

Im interested to see where Alison's experimental methodology leads.

How seriously do you take that?

I like seeing people try new things. Alison based off last game is a serous poster, so seeing her attempt a more intuitive style would be interesting imo.

-/-/-/-

@tutuu I think the issue with the conflict is that its not really helping the game at hand? This seems like a world veiw battle, not a alignment battle. Unless you have a read on alison?

maybe you could talk to me about somebody else on the roster if you want?

-/-/-/-/-

Hi MacDougall, I actully did manage to break up a T V T as mafia once and got lots of town cred D1. Alas it didnt last and i was on the chopping block D2.

May i ask for a succinct description of your playstyle?

Weird vibes.

Why is it weird vibes?

Weird as in robotic and generic.

I make a habit of asking players who i think I'll struggle to get a read on long term how they approach the game early on. That way i can avoid making a dumb case for one alignment or the other.

Also why did you make these posts questioning my opening posts? I voted you. I feel like if you were reading the game as closely as you were trying to appear to you'd have something to say about that as well.

I am reading the game, and so I know that several people have called out your sketchy sheepvote already.

Obviously you're missing those things on purpose in order to build a big false narrative about me blah blah blah you are probscum as well gg.

I really hope this point about alison's slot is a joke or something lol

I cant think of a game where scum lies on purpose about who has posted what in the thread in the early game. Even more so coming from somebody as tidy as Alison

I don't really get your last point. You don't think scum lies on purpose? Do you think town lies on purpose? What exactly is "lying on purpose"? Is there accidental lying?

How can i sheep onto your wagon if im the first person who voted there?

So was that post adderessed to Alison about her intentionally lying a real take, or a joke?

Your questions in response look like sematics tbh

-/-/-/

You first post was scummy b/c it looked like you were trying too hard to be funny. Its as simple as that.

[chardonnay]

ted probably town because why not

alison town because town

tutuu could be town, not sold yet

mac isn’t out of scum range at all. kinda meh

nanook is nanook, who knows

chard null imo, kinda awkward but doesn’t scream mafia to me atm

cass MIA

If you haven't already, come talk to me about Ted town read?

He came in at optimal time to push me as scum. Do you agree?

also talk to me about Tutuu and mac as well if you can.

[Long Con]

The suspicion isn't a joke... that post was obviously intended to have humourous qualities.

[Long Con]

How can i sheep onto your wagon if im the first person who voted there?

I didn't say it was a wagon. I looked back and I rescind the sheep thing. I thought it came after Alison made her case against me, but it's not.

[Hally]

ted probably town because why not

alison town because town

tutuu could be town, not sold yet

mac isn’t out of scum range at all. kinda meh

nanook is nanook, who knows

chard null imo, kinda awkward but doesn’t scream mafia to me atm

cass MIA

If you haven't already, come talk to me about Ted town read?

He came in at optimal time to push me as scum. Do you agree?

also talk to me about Tutuu and mac as well if you can.

i honestly don’t remember why i thought ted was town. i think i agreed with some comments he made

mac is squarely in both his town and scum ranges rn. both he and tutuu have mostly memed which is kinda hard to read into

[chardonnay]

Well

Let me try but no promise

I thought LC town for attitude. He joked with everyone and responded appropriately when scumread and i dunno. Same reason i tr mac (except less confident cuz yall scumread lc). I just read LC's posts and i think "iight cool"

I guess cass cuz i dont got anyone left to scumread. And he came in and like "this scumread guty is scummy i guess" and dunno. Maybe he write more stuff and then we see

And chardo like. I guess just dont townread him. A big thing is that i dunno these 2 peeps. I cant rly accurately read someone ive never played with before uknow

It sounds like you are afraid to go after the people who are more familiar with how you play :/

-/-/-/-

Thanks LC,

I'll answer that twisty question I was gonna ignore. what i meant by scum dont lie on purpose is that in thread interaction- scum purposely claiming something happened that can be proven false just by fact checking is not something any player intentionally does as any alignment. your comment about alison said that she was intentionally ignoring public facts to push an agenda. Which imo doesnt happen

[MacDougall]

*Memes violently*

[chardonnay]

i wouldn’t even clear mac if lc flips scum. kinda mindmelded with teds comment that mac could be pocketing alison by bussing lc. he can and will bus as scum on D1, js

looks like Ted's comments about Mac bussing are the foundian of your read.

Was hoping for something more nuanced.

not really sure where your slot goes rn.

[Hally]

i wouldn’t even clear mac if lc flips scum. kinda mindmelded with teds comment that mac could be pocketing alison by bussing lc. he can and will bus as scum on D1, js

looks like Ted's comments about Mac bussing are the foundian of your read.

Was hoping for something more nuanced.

not really sure where your slot goes rn.

well tbf there’s hardly any AI content from anyone so it’s a bit hard to have nuanced reads

[Hally]

char seems fine to me now that he’s gotten into the game. i’m not feeling the sus on him anymore

[chardonnay]

Im curous about what to do about Nanook b/c he's the only person this game that is strongly opposed to flipping me and my gut wants to TR the conterian read. Yet I don't think he has done anything else this me that stood out to me. Its easy to point at a slot and say its town. Its harder to deconstruct a popular read on another player, or to start a new wagon elsewhere. Scum are fine doing easy work in day thread, not so keen about hard work.