The 7th Saga [END, JJJ IS A DOOFUS]

[Long Con]

I kinda wanna soft clear Mac for doing the fatmo push lmao who’s stoping me

Lol I'm not clearing him for that. Why would you want to?

It’s anti-village but the way he handled it was townie imo, I find myself doing those kinds of pushes in a lot of my games when I have a scum read but scum on like tone and leave room for doubt, often in the form of a PR read

It wasn't anti village at all. If Fatmo did what he should have done it would have been extremely pro village. But Fatmo is scum with Hally and that's that.

What should he have done? Are you talking about better targets, or the way he brought it into the thread? Or that he didn't just tell you his role when you asked?

[MacDougall]

Why would someone with such a potentially bad town role not out it? Fatmo is just mafia. Stop being fools.

Fatmo should have outed. He had no reason not to once he was outed as not vt. He could have then found his best town reads and worked out his best actions. Instead he just yoloed his role apparently and specifically stopped me from stopping the kill.

[MacDougall]

The reality is that I made it kinda obvious I was a doc and Tutuu and I were both lock wolf reading Fatmo. Read her last posts. When I was pushing Fatmo she was just 100% in lockstep with me.

[Fatmo]

Fatmo, why did you choose to block Joseph and myself?

I was most sus of Mac based on my own interactions with anyone during that night phase.

And you were the counterwagon, near the bottom of lots of POEs, and I read the first ten pages of the thread and could see you possibly being scum.

And I had to choose two people next to each other alphabetically. I didn't want to block 1612, who would have counted as being the first/last (so would have been between Tutuu and me). I also didn't want to block Tutuu or Ted.

So you two seemed like the best choice.

I also am not really a mechanically great player sometimes and often get yelled at for my PR choices lol.

[Hally]

The problem I have with you, Hally, is that you had a lot of shotgunned reads, you acted like you had some amount of confidence in each one, and you then come into the next day saying you have a poor grasp on the game, presumably to pocket me.

Now you are doing the same shotgunned read with Nanook and I really don’t know why you think he’s town beyond ... tone?

i don’t know why or where it looked like to you that i had confidence in my reads. ive been confident in some of them, others not. some im confident in when i say them, then i doubt later. right now i don’t feel confident

what is this pocketing you thing? you actually think me saying im not confident in my reads is specifically designed to pocket you in particular? like what

and im not clearing nook anymore. look at my posts just now. im not giving him a pass anymore

I do know you do it as scum, and looking at your D1, you did have reads that I didn’t really get but you were fairly comfortable with, at least fmpov, when I didn’t have anything on anyone. So I found it weird that you are now looking like you dropped most of them. (as I wrote this, I realised that Alison and 1612 are the same slot so I may have inflated the number of reads)

It does look like a silly thing but I can’t really help but scrutinize it, especially when you haven’t been as townie as I think you can be, I always town read you easily. Not having you as strong town pings me and most of the things you do seem agenda-y.

pretty sure the only actual reads i had d1 were

alison/1612 - town
you - town
lc - scum

i still have you and 1612 as town but im doubting my read on lc now. so no, its no accurate to say i had many reads i was comfortable with that ive now dropped

re: pocketing you, idk that’s not something i can refute so whatever. if you think me saying i don’t feel confident in my reads is meant to pocket you that’s your prerogative but i do think it’s silly

i also don’t get how you see an agenda in my posts. what agenda? please tell me

[MacDougall]

Hally is mafia because she isn't town reading me. She's never been wrong before.

[Hally]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME please explain in great detail why you’re voting me and who my teammate is

You’re playing like mafia

no im not

who is my teammate nook?

[Hally]

Okay so Fatmo blocked me from saving Tutuu. Legit. I had a one use save.

idk if i believe this

[Hally]

Fwiw my reaction to how Hally has started today mirrored Ted's. I'm just out atm so only checking in on my phone randomly.

tell me more mac about how im mafia

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME please explain in great detail why you’re voting me and who my teammate is

You’re playing like mafia

no im not

who is my teammate nook?

How the fuck do I know

[Hally]

I kinda wanna soft clear Mac for doing the fatmo push lmao who’s stoping me

Lol I'm not clearing him for that. Why would you want to?

It’s anti-village but the way he handled it was townie imo, I find myself doing those kinds of pushes in a lot of my games when I have a scum read but scum on like tone and leave room for doubt, often in the form of a PR read

It wasn't anti village at all. If Fatmo did what he should have done it would have been extremely pro village. But Fatmo is scum with Hally and that's that.

i don’t think fatmo is scum and im not either so you’re batting zero rn

[Long Con]

Fwiw my reaction to how Hally has started today mirrored Ted's. I'm just out atm so only checking in on my phone randomly.

tell me more mac about how im mafia

You did try to throw shade at fatmo's claim as soon as he made it.

[Fatmo]

I found his soft that he might have been doc.

He also then hard claimed vig after that, so lol.

I don't get why he's still scumreading me for not giving into his pressure three minutes after I joined the game though and doing exactly what he wanted me to and outing everything about my role.

This is why I asked about Mac and how much he tends to soft in my last post. Or if he does so more or less as town or scum.

I might come around to believing he was actually the doc because of that soft, and he did specifically ask tutuu if she was VT. I'm not sure yet.

I really have no idea what Mac's scumrange is or anything like that. I've only ever observed a couple games with him, and he's been town in them.

[Long Con]

Yeah, I don't know if Hally/fatmo is that great.

[Hally]

Why would someone with such a potentially bad town role not out it? Fatmo is just mafia. Stop being fools.

Fatmo should have outed. He had no reason not to once he was outed as not vt. He could have then found his best town reads and worked out his best actions. Instead he just yoloed his role apparently and specifically stopped me from stopping the kill.

why would fatmo claim at all as scum though? like why would he admit he roleblocked you

[MacDougall]

Cuz he was gonna get turboed from POE otherwise and claiming a roleblock is safer than claiming a role someone else might have.

[Long Con]

This is why I asked about Mac and how much he tends to soft in my last post. Or if he does so more or less as town or scum.

I might come around to believing he was actually the doc because of that soft, and he did specifically ask tutuu if she was VT. I'm not sure yet.

I really have no idea what Mac's scumrange is or anything like that. I've only ever observed a couple games with him, and he's been town in them.

He's got a good scumrange. Could soft as town or scum, and could be honest or dishonest about it as either alignment.

[Hally]

Hally is mafia because she isn't town reading me. She's never been wrong before.

thats not even true

[Long Con]

Claiming the block of two players when the kill went through is the right play, isn't it?

[MacDougall]

Hally is mafia because she isn't town reading me. She's never been wrong before.

thats not even true

Is so

[Hally]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME please explain in great detail why you’re voting me and who my teammate is

You’re playing like mafia

no im not

who is my teammate nook?

How the fuck do I know

im asking you. is it mac? no. is it ted? no. lc? clearly not. fatmo? you think he’s town. 1612? if you wanna scum case that guy be my guest but i don’t think it’s possible to not tr him

[Hally]

Fwiw my reaction to how Hally has started today mirrored Ted's. I'm just out atm so only checking in on my phone randomly.

tell me more mac about how im mafia

You did try to throw shade at fatmo's claim as soon as he made it.

no i did not. i processed it, then accepted it. what is wrong with that

[MacDougall]

Imma be so disappointed if macmo is town lol

Doctor saving is my best skill and it was ruined!

[Long Con]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME please explain in great detail why you’re voting me and who my teammate is

You’re playing like mafia

no im not

who is my teammate nook?

How the fuck do I know

im asking you. is it mac? no. is it ted? no. lc? clearly not. fatmo? you think he’s town. 1612? if you wanna scum case that guy be my guest but i don’t think it’s possible to not tr him

It's ted. Based on location alone.

[Hally]

I found his soft that he might have been doc.

He also then hard claimed vig after that, so lol.

I don't get why he's still scumreading me for not giving into his pressure three minutes after I joined the game though and doing exactly what he wanted me to and outing everything about my role.

This is why I asked about Mac and how much he tends to soft in my last post. Or if he does so more or less as town or scum.

I might come around to believing he was actually the doc because of that soft, and he did specifically ask tutuu if she was VT. I'm not sure yet.

I really have no idea what Mac's scumrange is or anything like that. I've only ever observed a couple games with him, and he's been town in them.

i do not believe fatmo is mafia

[Long Con]

No, shit, it's Nanook. This voting-for-each-other thing is a deception.

[Hally]

Hally is mafia because she isn't town reading me. She's never been wrong before.

thats not even true

Is so

no its not. i tr you in space invaders and also thought you were scum in anni

[MacDougall]

This game is over tbh. Towncore is ruined. Scum will win the day with their two votes. We needed Tutuu.

[Hally]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME please explain in great detail why you’re voting me and who my teammate is

You’re playing like mafia

no im not

who is my teammate nook?

How the fuck do I know

im asking you. is it mac? no. is it ted? no. lc? clearly not. fatmo? you think he’s town. 1612? if you wanna scum case that guy be my guest but i don’t think it’s possible to not tr him

It's ted. Based on location alone.

what does this mean lc

why is ted pushing me the whole game if im his teammate

[Hally]

No, shit, it's Nanook. This voting-for-each-other thing is a deception.

how is this a real thought

[MacDougall]

Hally is mafia because she isn't town reading me. She's never been wrong before.

thats not even true

Is so

no its not. i tr you in space invaders and also thought you were scum in anni

They don't count cuz you weren't in space invaders for long and you scum read me in anni because I was tunneling you lol.

You find me as lock town in nearly every game we're both town. Dont deny it.

[MacDougall]

I actually had a fleeting thought it was ted and hally tbh

[Fatmo]

Imma be so disappointed if macmo is town lol

Doctor saving is my best skill and it was ruined!

GTH if I had to decide right now, I'd lean slightly towards believing you. The Shenanigans post before my claim lends this more potential credibility.

[Hally]

Hally is mafia because she isn't town reading me. She's never been wrong before.

thats not even true

Is so

no its not. i tr you in space invaders and also thought you were scum in anni

They don't count cuz you weren't in space invaders for long and you scum read me in anni because I was tunneling you lol.

You find me as lock town in nearly every game we're both town. Dont deny it.

we’ve only been town together in one game lmao

[Long Con]

I actually had a fleeting thought it was ted and hally tbh

HoW iS ThIs a ReAl ThOuGhT?

[Fatmo]

This game is over tbh. Towncore is ruined. Scum will win the day with their two votes. We needed Tutuu.

Lol dude one day has gone by and there was a miskill and a NK. I know the game is small but I don't see why this is the apocalypse yet. If we kill right today we're alright.

[MacDougall]

When I get back to my desk I'll solve the game for y'all.

[MacDougall]

Hally is mafia because she isn't town reading me. She's never been wrong before.

thats not even true

Is so

no its not. i tr you in space invaders and also thought you were scum in anni

They don't count cuz you weren't in space invaders for long and you scum read me in anni because I was tunneling you lol.

You find me as lock town in nearly every game we're both town. Dont deny it.

we’ve only been town together in one game lmao

Nuh uh

[Hally]

your reads on me are all so bad that it’s legitimately impossible for me to tell which of you is town and which of you is open wolfing

[Long Con]

No, shit, it's Nanook. This voting-for-each-other thing is a deception.

how is this a real thought

You have been "idk, prob town" about Nanook until today when info came out and the walls started closing in, and you instantly shifted to antagonistic with him. This is a pretty standard play for trying to get distancing cred after one or the other is chopped.

[Hally]

Hally is mafia because she isn't town reading me. She's never been wrong before.

thats not even true

Is so

no its not. i tr you in space invaders and also thought you were scum in anni

They don't count cuz you weren't in space invaders for long and you scum read me in anni because I was tunneling you lol.

You find me as lock town in nearly every game we're both town. Dont deny it.

we’ve only been town together in one game lmao

Nuh uh

radiohead is the only game we played together where you were town

[Fatmo]

I gotta get dinner and I've probably burned through a lot of posts already, so I'll see you all later.

Is there an easy way for me to see how many posts I've made during a given phase?

[Hally]

No, shit, it's Nanook. This voting-for-each-other thing is a deception.

how is this a real thought

You have been "idk, prob town" about Nanook until today when info came out and the walls started closing in, and you instantly shifted to antagonistic with him. This is a pretty standard play for trying to get distancing cred after one or the other is chopped.

ok lc whatever you say

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME please explain in great detail why you’re voting me and who my teammate is

You’re playing like mafia

no im not

who is my teammate nook?

How the fuck do I know

im asking you. is it mac? no. is it ted? no. lc? clearly not. fatmo? you think he’s town. 1612? if you wanna scum case that guy be my guest but i don’t think it’s possible to not tr him

Who am I partners with? Mac? No. Ted? No. LC? Obviously not. Fatmo? No. 1612? They’re an IC apparently.


Look I can say meaningless things too

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

No, shit, it's Nanook. This voting-for-each-other thing is a deception.

Gj you caught me

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

your reads on me are all so bad that it’s legitimately impossible for me to tell which of you is town and which of you is open wolfing

Sounds like a serious conundrum you should do some more world building where you clear yourself based off answering your own questions

[Long Con]

Nanook never really mentioned or interacted with Hally until Day 2 started, and fatmo claimed. (Except for a few minutes convo on Night 1 that was meh). Then comes in with "you are playing like mafia", and the voting each other thing happening. Hally/Nanook team.

[Hally]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME please explain in great detail why you’re voting me and who my teammate is

You’re playing like mafia

no im not

who is my teammate nook?

How the fuck do I know

im asking you. is it mac? no. is it ted? no. lc? clearly not. fatmo? you think he’s town. 1612? if you wanna scum case that guy be my guest but i don’t think it’s possible to not tr him

Who am I partners with? Mac? No. Ted? No. LC? Obviously not. Fatmo? No. 1612? They’re an IC apparently.


Look I can say meaningless things too

its not fucking meaningless

mac is pushing me. our interactions are clearly not aligned

ted is pushing me. our interactions are clearly not aligned

lc is pushing me and i pushed him d1. we clearly aren’t aligned

fatmo? you tr him. is he mafia with me?

1612? scum case him. like i dare you to try. hes pure as fuck

stop being lazy and actually say why you sr me and who im aligned with

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

“Who is my partner tho” is maybe the most underwhelming defense except in very specific circumstances and these aren’t those circumstances

I will not stop being lazy cause I don’t think I have to today

[Hally]

your reads on me are all so bad that it’s legitimately impossible for me to tell which of you is town and which of you is open wolfing

Sounds like a serious conundrum you should do some more world building where you clear yourself based off answering your own questions

what if you actually explained your vote or like literally anything else beyond the bare minimum