The 7th Saga [END, JJJ IS A DOOFUS]

[1612]

oh wait, he is fatmo lmao

1612
LongCon
Mac
Nanook
Ted

okay so fatmo if you want to clear me as town, roleblock me and longcon (im just villager)
you have already cleared mac and long con so this is probably a rip. Yeah wtf, in your perspective, Mac is CONFIRMED town to you if Long Con is mafia because if they are both mafia, there would have been no kill with roleblocks. Why haven't you figured that out yet this past day?

He can't roleblock LC and Nook I'm pretty sure.

How does roleblocking you and LC clear you?

I mean if there is no kill, I mean we are outed team. I'm saying if there is a kill, then we can't be a team. Same applies to you which you I already explained

[MacDougall]

Oh yeah sure you are.

Are you serious? Lol you just said LC is lock scum now after conveniently only getting here two minutes after EOD.

So you think I bothered trying to actually ISO LC at the end and then reaffirm that I'd rather vote him if I'm scum with him because of the other lies he told at SOD regarding his stance on my claim? This is regardless of the cop claim, which now confirmed town Hally is on record as calling BS. As are you, who claims to be town.

So this sounds like you've made up your mind that LC is mafia but you're still pushing that I might be. Which you can't be as per your claim. So basically you're outed mafia fuck off.

[MacDougall]

[mention]tedxtr[/mention] do you have a role?

[1612]

I mean I'm sensing that these roles are all like role play with the game. Spells and what not like Hally has. Weird power roles.

Could there be a possibility where there is like a uhhh idk, holy priest mafia where they don't ummm accept the services of a hooker...? LMAO
I mean I doubt it but I'm pretty sure Mac is just conf town here.

[MacDougall]

right... doesn't really do much for us does it mac damn. hopefully LC is the mafia power role and we just role block him again. Right? That's the play right? There can't be like a double town kill tonight...

The only way there is a double town kill is if there is a town vigilante that misfires. In a game this small mafia never have access to a 2nd kill. I doubt there is a town vigilante but there could be if they chose to holster n1 (which would have been a decently correct play).

[MacDougall]

If LC is mafia I am town yes.

I am town if Fatmo is real. I am town if he is not because he is the mafia if he isn't real.

I am always town in the event of LC being red based on Fatmo's claims.

[Fatmo]

Also, I can only use this power one more time. It's a two shot thing.

You don't need other people's opinions just use your big fat brain.

I know you are still suspicious of me, I don't fully understand why you are but I know you are. Forget that for a second and then worldbuild. 1612 is clearly town so the mafia are only in LC/Nook/Ted if I am town. So if you with your amazing ability to roleblock two combinations of them you can bloody solve the game tonight.

The only way you can't solve the game is if one of 1612 or me is mafia. So figure out that we aren't and get confident.

If you've noticed, at various points I've leaned towards believing you.

I feel it's more likely than not that we got off on the wrong foot.

Even so, we keep having these little arguments.

Just because we're arguing often doesn't mean I'm always scumreading you for it. The fact that you've kept actually engaging with me in ways I can sometimes feel are more likely to be genuine than not makes me lean this way. Not completely, but overall I still lean more town than not from your plan on D2.

I hardest scumread you during N1 and the beginning of D2. It's hard to completely forget first impressions.

And yes, I do want other opinions. There's no reason to not get them. This is about the whole game. Not just me and you.

[1612]

Oh yeah sure you are.

Are you serious? Lol you just said LC is lock scum now after conveniently only getting here two minutes after EOD.

So you think I bothered trying to actually ISO LC at the end and then reaffirm that I'd rather vote him if I'm scum with him because of the other lies he told at SOD regarding his stance on my claim? This is regardless of the cop claim, which now confirmed town Hally is on record as calling BS. As are you, who claims to be town.

So this sounds like you've made up your mind that LC is mafia but you're still pushing that I might be. Which you can't be as per your claim. So basically you're outed mafia fuck off.

Buddy no. There is way too much biased omgus this game. It happened with Hally and look where that got us. Look at his recent logs, he said he's beginning to trust you as town. You guys just got off on the wrong start.

[mention]Fatmo[/mention] I fully recommend not using tonight UNLESS we are scared that mafia have a two kill power but that seems wayyyy too overpowered. I recommend saving to use it in final 4 night time. This forces you to be killed TONIGHT and be taken off the POE because Mac is confirmed town in your perspective.

PLEASE READ ME MECHANICAL PLAY [mention]MacDougall[/mention] [mention]Fatmo[/mention]

[Fatmo]

Play, not plan.

[1612]

If you've noticed, at various points I've leaned towards believing you.

^ this. Do not let the Omgus take ahold of the reigns mac douglas

[MacDougall]

We're always flipping LC d3 and if somehow he turns out to be town and the mafia are somewhere else then fucking gg to whoever it is, nobody will whine in post because we never got close.

The only way town lose this game is if LC is town cop and Fatmo is mafia or if Alison/1612 is mafia.

If Fatmo is town we have auto because the only other possible world is Nook/Ted team and Fatmo can just roleblock both of them tonight to rule that world out. If a kill lands with those two roleblocked it confirms that LC/1612 always has mafia in it. Which is basically just LC 99.9% of the time. If no kill lands it solves the game as Nook/Ted.

So except for if town misplay because of anxiety/being dumb (which is possible). The game can only be lost in the event of LC being town and Fatmo mafia and we lose to yeeting LC tomorrow after Fatmo roleblocks Nook/Ted and the mafia kill me or 1612 tonight.

[1612]

Wait yeah this is looking super good, dw Hally we got this in the bag still.

Fatmo do NOT use tonight. Save for the final 4 night so you are a much bigger threat to be killed tonight.
Then it boils down to tedxtr or Nanook

TED I KNOW YOU ABOUT TO FREAK OUT BUT READ THE PROGRESSIONI OF THESE LOGS. THIS IS NOT AN AGENDA FROM ANYONE BUT THE GAME STATE AND YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT IT

[1612]

wait fatmo should use tonight?? i really want him to hold it for final 4 night so he is a threat and just killed today. Id much rather have you be in final 5 because you are universally town read.

[MacDougall]

I am sure that we can solve the game tonight if Fatmo is town and uses his role.

[1612]

Ehhh roleblocking both Nanook and Ted does nothing for us. It's always just one of them is Fatmo is town and its a waste of the last use if Fatmo is town. I think he should just save it so he is still able to gamesolve in final 4 if for WHATEVER reason mafia don't decide to kill him tonight in final 6. If he survives the final 4 kill, well that just outs him.

Does that logic fail Mac? Or am I not explaining it clearly enough.

[Fatmo]

I am sure that we can solve the game tonight if Fatmo is town and uses his role.

As of now, who would you ideally want me to use it on? The idea of LC/Nook doesn't work because they are not next to each other.

And what do people think of 1612's idea of having me not use my power?

I was kind of leaning towards using it, since I might just be NKd if I don't, and then there's no info gained except that I'm town and then dead.

[1612]

That's exactly what we want Fatmo. We want to clear you, dead or not.

[MacDougall]

Fatmo has already ruled out LC/Mac as a potential team.

He has the option tonight to also rule out either 1612/LC or Nook/Ted as teams.

Given that generally speaking 1612 is 99% town and LC is 99% mafia anyway, he should just target Nook/Ted just to rule out that outlying world I think? I don't need the mech to solve 1612 he's just obviously town and literally never teammates with LC based on how he and Alison both dealt with him. That world is already solved.

So just solve Nook/Ted world so that we can confirm that LC is always mafia. Then we only lose if Fatmo is mafia?

[Fatmo]

[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention] what are your thoughts on how I should use my RB?

[MacDougall]

Ehhh roleblocking both Nanook and Ted does nothing for us. It's always just one of them is Fatmo is town and its a waste of the last use if Fatmo is town. I think he should just save it so he is still able to gamesolve in final 4 if for WHATEVER reason mafia don't decide to kill him tonight in final 6. If he survives the final 4 kill, well that just outs him.

Does that logic fail Mac? Or am I not explaining it clearly enough.

Why would mafia kill him over me tonight? If I am lock cleared to both town you and town Fatmo they can't win with me alive.

[1612]

Here's a question, is Mac or Fatmo dying tonight. Most likely Mac right? And we kill Long Con.

Fatmo you can hook BOTH tedxtr/1612, 1612/nanook. If you believe me to be town, this AUTO confirms who you think is mafia IF and ONLY IF you save and are still alive.

Frankly using tonight literally gives us NO info AT all.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Answering publicly a private question:

The mafia team is/are obligated to submit a night kill and may not holster. A holstered kill will result in a randomized target among all living players including the mafia team. Please don't interact with this post.

[Fatmo]

Mac and 1612, are you guys going to be able to be around later? In like five or six hours?

I've noticed that most of the time I tend to post later at night for me and 1612 is usually not around when I happen to be posting.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Tell me why 1612 is town before you die, [Hally]

Is it meta, is it just their catchup post, something else?

TMI

LONG CON HOW DID YOU PULL THIS OFF IM IUHALIWUDHAWILUHALIWUDH

nanook you swapped right? did you fear voting up cop claims? Why would Long Con claim with <1 hour when not everyone is online at the same time. I WISH I were in EoD because I wouldve been there to call BS.

I have a noted weakness for not voting shitty claims

[1612]

Ehhh roleblocking both Nanook and Ted does nothing for us. It's always just one of them is Fatmo is town and its a waste of the last use if Fatmo is town. I think he should just save it so he is still able to gamesolve in final 4 if for WHATEVER reason mafia don't decide to kill him tonight in final 6. If he survives the final 4 kill, well that just outs him.

Does that logic fail Mac? Or am I not explaining it clearly enough.

Why would mafia kill him over me tonight? If I am lock cleared to both town you and town Fatmo they can't win with me alive.

Exactly. Let him save his ability. That factor of clearing the outlying world is such a waste. Let him save it for final 4. It will either out him as fake PR or out the mafia who he hooked alongside me. Literally any combination, too. 1612/Nanook or 1612/tedxtr. It checks out.

[1612]

Mac and 1612, are you guys going to be able to be around later? In like five or six hours?

I've noticed that most of the time I tend to post later at night for me and 1612 is usually not around when I happen to be posting.

I gotchu

[MacDougall]

Mac and 1612, are you guys going to be able to be around later? In like five or six hours?

I've noticed that most of the time I tend to post later at night for me and 1612 is usually not around when I happen to be posting.

Yep

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Roleblock whoever the hell you want Fatmo idc

[Fatmo]

Roleblock whoever the hell you want Fatmo idc

You don't think there's any merit to 1612's idea that I should consider waiting and do it tomorrow night if I live tonight?

[1612]

Oh wait, yeah Mac they are literally forced to kill Fatmo here if he saves. Its Auto if they don't.
Here's what happens if they don't kill him tonight and he saves and we kill Long Con as mafia.

Last Night
Fatmo,
1612,
Nanook,
Tedxtr

Mafia are forced to kill.

1. Fatmo hooks Nanook/Tedxtr.
There is a kill. its Fatmo or Me.
There isn't a kill. Okay cool, It's either Nanook and Tedxtr.

2. Fatmo hooks 1612/Nanook.
There is a kill. it's Tedxtr or Fatmo
There isn't a kill. Okay cool, It's either Tedxtr and Fatmo.

3, Fatmo hooks Tedxtr/1612.
There is a kill. Its Nanook or Fatmo.
There isn't a kill. Okay cool, It's either Fatmo and Fatmo.

Regardless, we ALWAYS get confirmed town info with this route.

Although of course now that I explained it, Fatmo is more likely to die. And that is PERFECT, we want that info of him being out of our POE and having Mac still going strong. How about them apples [mention]MacDougall[/mention] ?

[1612]

well not auto but the final 3 will be all unconfirmed without this route, they should probably just kill Fatmo here.

And I guess there is a factor of, "oh what if its tedxtr and nanook, shouldn't we use tonight?". Ehhhh I hard DOUBT that because Long Con has not pushed those pair in the history of ever if he's town.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Roleblock whoever the hell you want Fatmo idc

You don't think there's any merit to 1612's idea that I should consider waiting and do it tomorrow night if I live tonight?

Does it seem Ike I’m paying enough attention to have a relevant opinion

I don’t care there’s other good mech players here figure it out

[Long Con]

We have already lost because you guys are soooo convinced I'm mafia.

[1612]

We have already lost because you guys are soooo convinced I'm mafia.

Wait fuck, why is this guys so confident and like "have nothing to lose" as if he's lost all hope in this game as town because how much town/mafia has been tunneling them for an easy push. It's like so low effort it can't be mafia, it's- i- ... is the team just 1612 and Mac?

[1612]

Long Con, please go down the list of players here and tell us if they prefer white or red wine. This is unrelated to the game, just trying to talk about random stuff, yknow?

[1612]

No balls you won't ;D

[1612]

Oh wait, yeah Mac they are literally forced to kill Fatmo here if he saves. Its Auto if they don't.
Here's what happens if they don't kill him tonight and he saves and we kill Long Con as mafia.

Last Night
Fatmo,
1612,
Nanook,
Tedxtr

Mafia are forced to kill.

1. Fatmo hooks Nanook/Tedxtr.
There is a kill. its Fatmo or Me.
There isn't a kill. Okay cool, It's either Nanook and Tedxtr.

2. Fatmo hooks 1612/Nanook.
There is a kill. it's Tedxtr or Fatmo
There isn't a kill. Okay cool, It's either 1612 or Nanook.

3, Fatmo hooks Tedxtr/1612.
There is a kill. Its Nanook or Fatmo.
There isn't a kill. Okay cool, It's either 1612 or Tedxtr.

Regardless, we ALWAYS get confirmed town info with this route.

Although of course now that I explained it, Fatmo is more likely to die. And that is PERFECT, we want that info of him being out of our POE and having Mac still going strong. How about them apples @MacDougall ?

Oops I didn't place the right names because I town slipped that I can't be mafia smh. I changed it

[Long Con]

Long Con, please go down the list of players here and tell us if they prefer white or red wine. This is unrelated to the game, just trying to talk about random stuff, yknow?

1612
Fatmo
Long Con
MacDougall
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
tedxtr

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

We have already lost because you guys are soooo convinced I'm mafia.

Wait fuck, why is this guys so confident and like "have nothing to lose" as if he's lost all hope in this game as town because how much town/mafia has been tunneling them for an easy push. It's like so low effort it can't be mafia, it's- i- ... is the team just 1612 and Mac?

That’s certainly a question

[1612]

Long Con, please go down the list of players here and tell us if they prefer white or red wine. This is unrelated to the game, just trying to talk about random stuff, yknow?

1612
Fatmo
Long Con
MacDougall
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
tedxtr

Thank you boss man. I'll use this in final three to win us the game, don't worry. We celebrate later

[Long Con]

Long Con, please go down the list of players here and tell us if they prefer white or red wine. This is unrelated to the game, just trying to talk about random stuff, yknow?

1612
Fatmo
Long Con
MacDougall
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
tedxtr

Thank you boss man. I'll use this in final three to win us the game, don't worry. We celebrate later

Sounds good - wine's on you!

[MacDougall]

We have already lost because you guys are soooo convinced I'm mafia.

Wait fuck, why is this guys so confident and like "have nothing to lose" as if he's lost all hope in this game as town because how much town/mafia has been tunneling them for an easy push. It's like so low effort it can't be mafia, it's- i- ... is the team just 1612 and Mac?

Shhh I'm not ready to out us just yet

[MacDougall]

I can't wait til Tedxtr comes in here and has a meltdown and insults my play

[Fatmo]

Mac what do you think of 1612, more fleshed out ideas here?

[Fatmo]

I don't like wine lol.

If I'm going to drink wine though, I'd choose red.

[MacDougall]

Mac what do you think of 1612, more fleshed out ideas here?

I already said I'm just losing to him if he's mafia.

[Fatmo]

Mac what do you think of 1612, more fleshed out ideas here?

I already said I'm just losing to him if he's mafia.

I specifically mean me not using my action tonight to save it for tomorrow if I don't get killed tonight.

I'm looking for thoughts from people who are good at mech. Nook isn't contributing but I still want yours.

Do you still feel like me blocking tonight is better than waiting to possibly block tomorrow?

[1612]

I'm pretty sure you absolutely save. Even if you are mafia, the three situations we have described are SUPER flexible in solving your alignment.
Even if you are town and you are left up for wifom, still, we have a lot of options that they CANNOT predict what we will go with. ( they must be sweating )
If you are town and killed tonight, welp, good info. Mac leads on.

Like if we are unsure with your alignment and you town read me, you can claim to hook in situation number 1.
If you have a read on the Nanook or tedxtr, you can claim to hook in situation number 2 or 3.

It's very flexible but the point is, leaving these options make it hard for mafia to coordinate their next move.

[MacDougall]

Mac what do you think of 1612, more fleshed out ideas here?

I already said I'm just losing to him if he's mafia.

I specifically mean me not using my action tonight to save it for tomorrow if I don't get killed tonight.

I'm looking for thoughts from people who are good at mech. Nook isn't contributing but I still want yours.

Do you still feel like me blocking tonight is better than waiting to possibly block tomorrow?

Not entirely sure tbh.

[Fatmo]

Mac what do you think of 1612, more fleshed out ideas here?

I already said I'm just losing to him if he's mafia.

I specifically mean me not using my action tonight to save it for tomorrow if I don't get killed tonight.

I'm looking for thoughts from people who are good at mech. Nook isn't contributing but I still want yours.

Do you still feel like me blocking tonight is better than waiting to possibly block tomorrow?

Not entirely sure tbh.

Please think it over for a bit. I want opinions from as many people I kind of trust with mechanics stuff and who I feel are more likely town as I can. That helps me think things like this through and come to decisions.