Escape From Russia [GAME OVER]

[Hally]

like holistically speaking i like poison and ted better than ash and michelle

[Michelle]

Sup

towniest of town. channeling my inner mac. am i doing it right?

Dunya lock town

im not in a good mood, tbh so i'll come back again later and try again

I like this

why for both please?

Does not sound wolfy for me

but it’s totally NAI. why would it sound wolfy? how is it possible to make that post in a wolfy way?

wording, vibe, tone are not forced. Too lazy to expand, sorry about that

[112]

one thing poison has going for her is the spoilerread on hally

weird reads like that are typically villa

[Hally]

Sup

towniest of town. channeling my inner mac. am i doing it right?

Dunya lock town

im not in a good mood, tbh so i'll come back again later and try again

I like this

why for both please?

Does not sound wolfy for me

but it’s totally NAI. why would it sound wolfy? how is it possible to make that post in a wolfy way?

wording, vibe, tone are not forced. Too lazy to expand, sorry about that

idgi but ok

[Michelle]

like holistically speaking i like poison and ted better than ash and michelle

Don't make a sentence where you link me with random people please - _-
Looks wolfy..

[Hally]

one thing poison has going for her is the spoilerread on hally

weird reads like that are typically villa

that was tutuu that made that read but i agree

[Hally]

like holistically speaking i like poison and ted better than ash and michelle

Don't make a sentence where you link me with random people please - _-
Looks wolfy..

im not linking you to them. my reads on all four of you are entirely independent of one another

[tedxtr]

Spoiler: show

i was about to say ash seems towny but lol @ tr’ing ash for anything

This was me about you reading the finale but then I went and locked you town anyway.

Hally has done like 20 things already this game that make me want to town read her and that makes me want to scum read her.

Who’s in the mood for some vote count analysis before we have any actual votes?

Currently I have Ted, Vulgard, tutuu and kinda-sorta-Hally all on me in spirit. Wolves will usually not bunch up a lot, in a wagon of four voters you’ll rarely have more than one. Equally, a wagon of four voters will rarely have no wolves. When you’ve got a bit of movement happening towards a townie usually one will want to move with the thread and find a way to climb on board.

Obviously I think tutuu is the opportunistic wolf in this group. Assuming I’m right about that, it implies that the other three are town. I was already getting to feel pretty comfy about Vulgard, but the other two have been indecipherable and inner-conflict-inducing, respectively. Being able to anti-associate them with my top scumread feels good.

Yeah, ok, 112 lock town.

was just about to say that i feel very comfortable calling 112 town rn

I am not spf and you can’t pocket me with mindmelds.

Spoiler: show

But you don’t need to because I always end up townreading you anyway

Hally - I’m probably not going to ever stop tinfoiling her in the back of my mind but at a certain point you have to take yes for an answer. Sometimes the super-towny player is just town. Maybe she’s a wolf but if she is I ain’t catching her day zero. I can always be wrong, but I’m at the point of acknowledging that if Hally is a wolf I am wrong because I think she’s town.

That's Ash's progression on Hally. I read it more like pocketing rather than actual tinfoiling and I feel like Ash is mostly trying to fake that way around Hally even though he's usually seen trying to pocket her.

I don't know why he town reads Hally, but it seems as if there is little to no reasoning behind the read, and it's more like a pocket-y progression into a "meh fuck it, town" that lacks any form of progression or reasoning that would make him take that leap.

[Michelle]

like holistically speaking i like poison and ted better than ash and michelle

Don't make a sentence where you link me with random people please - _-
Looks wolfy..

im not linking you to them. my reads on all four of you are entirely independent of one another

Okay then

[tedxtr]

I also don't know why Hally gave him a town read based on mindmelds that, fmpov and looking at posts, didn't occur past like the 50th post of the game.

I could be seeing it sideways and it could be a w/w power team but the point is that Ash's progression on Hally looks slimy and filled with TMI.

[tutuu]

one thing poison has going for her is the spoilerread on hally

weird reads like that are typically villa

that was tutuu that made that read but i agree

this is the second time someone says u made the read and not me

are u sure it was me hally?

what if its you but you're in self-denial?

[Michelle]

I like the above post 808 from Ted

[tutuu]

wait she said poison not me

i cannot read english

uhhh in my excuse english isnt first language and im clearly not fluent at it hehehehehe

[tedxtr]

Also got pinged by Hally's attempts at trying to force people into taking a stance on her when she doesn't really use that tool from her arsenal as a town often.

Always feel like those posts are made by self-aware wolves that either want to feel validated that they're being villagery but they aren't sure or just a means of getting town reads on you or seeking out interactions based on that read.

[Hally]

Spoiler: show

i was about to say ash seems towny but lol @ tr’ing ash for anything

This was me about you reading the finale but then I went and locked you town anyway.

Hally has done like 20 things already this game that make me want to town read her and that makes me want to scum read her.

Who’s in the mood for some vote count analysis before we have any actual votes?

Currently I have Ted, Vulgard, tutuu and kinda-sorta-Hally all on me in spirit. Wolves will usually not bunch up a lot, in a wagon of four voters you’ll rarely have more than one. Equally, a wagon of four voters will rarely have no wolves. When you’ve got a bit of movement happening towards a townie usually one will want to move with the thread and find a way to climb on board.

Obviously I think tutuu is the opportunistic wolf in this group. Assuming I’m right about that, it implies that the other three are town. I was already getting to feel pretty comfy about Vulgard, but the other two have been indecipherable and inner-conflict-inducing, respectively. Being able to anti-associate them with my top scumread feels good.

Yeah, ok, 112 lock town.

was just about to say that i feel very comfortable calling 112 town rn

I am not spf and you can’t pocket me with mindmelds.

Spoiler: show

But you don’t need to because I always end up townreading you anyway

Hally - I’m probably not going to ever stop tinfoiling her in the back of my mind but at a certain point you have to take yes for an answer. Sometimes the super-towny player is just town. Maybe she’s a wolf but if she is I ain’t catching her day zero. I can always be wrong, but I’m at the point of acknowledging that if Hally is a wolf I am wrong because I think she’s town.

That's Ash's progression on Hally. I read it more like pocketing rather than actual tinfoiling and I feel like Ash is mostly trying to fake that way around Hally even though he's usually seen trying to pocket her.

I don't know why he town reads Hally, but it seems as if there is little to no reasoning behind the read, and it's more like a pocket-y progression into a "meh fuck it, town" that lacks any form of progression or reasoning that would make him take that leap.

this is a good point and something im concerned about too. i feel ash would absolutely try to pocket me as a wolf given that im the only one here who has any experience with him. im just confused by his read because like, he acknowledges that he misread me from spec chat/g8 and that im a dangerous wolf and that he shouldn’t tr me really but then he does it anyway on d0 for... idk what reason. and like, i do think i’ve been exceptionally towny this game, maybe even more so than usual because i’ve had a stronger presence than i sometimes do but i wouldn’t necessarily expect ash to lock me as town this early even still. and just wonder if that talk about being paranoid of me was just talk because i don’t really see how it’s translated to either his read on me or the interactions we’ve had

[Hally]

I also don't know why Hally gave him a town read based on mindmelds that, fmpov and looking at posts, didn't occur past like the 50th post of the game.

I could be seeing it sideways and it could be a w/w power team but the point is that Ash's progression on Hally looks slimy and filled with TMI.

there was also the mindmeld on 112’s reentrance where he tr her for the same reasons i was thinking in the same moment. felt good to me idk

[Hally]

Also got pinged by Hally's attempts at trying to force people into taking a stance on her when she doesn't really use that tool from her arsenal as a town often.

Always feel like those posts are made by self-aware wolves that either want to feel validated that they're being villagery but they aren't sure or just a means of getting town reads on you or seeking out interactions based on that read.

the bolded isn’t true and idk where you get that from. i ask when i want to know, simple as that

[tedxtr]

Also got pinged by Hally's attempts at trying to force people into taking a stance on her when she doesn't really use that tool from her arsenal as a town often.

Always feel like those posts are made by self-aware wolves that either want to feel validated that they're being villagery but they aren't sure or just a means of getting town reads on you or seeking out interactions based on that read.

the bolded isn’t true and idk where you get that from. i ask when i want to know, simple as that

can you give examples of games on syndicate where you gunned people for their thoughts on your slot and you were town?

[Hally]

also it wasn’t forcing you. it was just a question

[Hally]

Also got pinged by Hally's attempts at trying to force people into taking a stance on her when she doesn't really use that tool from her arsenal as a town often.

Always feel like those posts are made by self-aware wolves that either want to feel validated that they're being villagery but they aren't sure or just a means of getting town reads on you or seeking out interactions based on that read.

the bolded isn’t true and idk where you get that from. i ask when i want to know, simple as that

can you give examples of games on syndicate where you gunned people for their thoughts on your slot and you were town?

i don’t know why you think i would remember specific instances of that or why you’re framing it as though i dangled you off a cliff and threatened to drop you if you didn’t out a read on me immediately

[Hally]

the reason i wanted you to take a stance on me is so that i could... know what you’re stance on me is. because like, that’s information that helps me solve your alignment

[tutuu]

wtf

hally's town

or actually

theyre either town or scum but i think they're town

but its an exaggeration yea to like

u know. stuff. lazy to talk

this is why scumreads suck and are overrated

if u are a player who does scumreads u do more harm than good IMO

like so much scumreads i see thrown all the time are so exaggerated lolol

[Hally]

i think ted’s thoughts on me are legit. like in his scum game all his pushes were kinda bullshit but i just kept thinking he was wrong!town as opposed to scum because he delivered them in a towny way. but here they’re like... less bullshit lol

[Hally]

also his thoughts on ash too feel real and again not like the contrived nonsense he used to push ppl last game

he overall seems a lot more natural and waterfall-y here, like he’s just saying these thoughts organically as they come and i can track all of it

[tedxtr]

ok this is actually pissing me off

what works for me doesn't work for you, if you wanna see results, I'll hook you up with games, let me do my thing

I'm not telling you how to play or telling you that you're reading the game wrong

I'm not saying she's scum, I'm not her executioner, my vote won't get her out of the game. I was making an observation.

If I was pushing for her to die / I was convinced she was scum, I would make a case or something. I'm gathering information.

I was confused on why she town read Ash and also I felt like she asked too many questions about people's reads on her when as a town she has a lot of other info to look into.

it's not breaking the game if you poke holes, it's how you get reads. stop acting like just because I make a point that you don't agree with, it will lead to someone's death in the game.

[tedxtr]

if u are a player who does scumreads u do more harm than good IMO

what a disgusting comment

[Hally]

ok this is actually pissing me off

what works for me doesn't work for you, if you wanna see results, I'll hook you up with games, let me do my thing

I'm not telling you how to play or telling you that you're reading the game wrong

I'm not saying she's scum, I'm not her executioner, my vote won't get her out of the game. I was making an observation.

If I was pushing for her to die / I was convinced she was scum, I would make a case or something. I'm gathering information.

I was confused on why she town read Ash and also I felt like she asked too many questions about people's reads on her when as a town she has a lot of other info to look into.

it's not breaking the game if you poke holes, it's how you get reads. stop acting like just because I make a point that you don't agree with, it will lead to someone's death in the game.

minor point but i’m pretty sure you were the only person who i asked for a read on me

[tedxtr]

ok cool, we got that sorted out (I don't think I was but I'm not gonna look into it)

are you gonna get yeeted now Hally? did you get a better read on me based off that?

if the answers are no and yes then my observation is acting in town's favour, I don't know what the big deal is with this

[tedxtr]

(I don't think I was but I'm not gonna look into it)

supposed to say "I don't think it was the only instance where you did it"

[Hally]

ok cool, we got that sorted out (I don't think I was but I'm not gonna look into it)

are you gonna get yeeted now Hally? did you get a better read on me based off that?

if the answers are no and yes then my observation is acting in town's favour, I don't know what the big deal is with this

where did you ever get the impression that i think your concerns with me are a big deal? tutuu made that post not me

and yes i do think you’re steadily trending up

[Hally]

tutuu i think you having a powerpuff girl avi too is causing confusion

[tedxtr]

yeah, I was talking to tutuu, not you, sorry if it wasn't clear

[Hally]

oh ok, nw

[tedxtr]

I was using you as an example to refute tutuu's arguments

[Hally]

yea ted looks like a villager to me. i think the difference between his last scum game to now is pretty noticeable and like idk i just buy what he’s selling as coming from town!him. doesn’t seem like he’s forcing anything, good thoughts and his emotion here reads as genuine as opposed to fake like when he was scum. also the specific thing he’s gotten upset over is a towny thing to get upset about

idk lol @ me post game if wrong but i think ted is just town

[Hally]

also don’t really think tutuu would write that post @ ted if wolfing

[Vulgard]

Disagree on the 112 townreads, I didn't like her re-entrance at all and it's not because she scumreads me.

[Vulgard]

It feels like in every single game someone has a problem with the way I play the game. It's part of the reason why I keep changing my playstyle.

Anyway, I'll explain why I didn't like 112's posts shortly.

[Hally]

nook
tutuu
112
vul
ted

yea idk, im pretty happy with these five as my town core. 112 still maybe a bit below just because the volume isn’t as much. poison would be next one in i think

so like, if this is correct, there isn’t really much wolf influence happening itt yet, which does sorta track with how i feel about the game rn? so that’s neat

[Hally]

if wolves have posted, they would imo be in these:

michelle
ash
arete
dunya
(and wilgy if you count his one post)

but there’s still four ppl who haven’t said anything so rip

[tutuu]

my post wasnt specifically at ted it was at like, at a general consensus of ppl who choose to make scumreads

[Hally]

ppl who know 112, does she tend to have very unique/non-consensus reads? like is it a general feature of her play as either alignment? i read it as town but idk if i should be Concerned by how much our reads differ. i find the process by which she arrived at them to be towny though so like, idk this isn’t really something i feel i should worry about but i’m trying to cover all the bases since i don’t know her

[Hally]

actually [mention]112[/mention] whats your read on me now? i remember you had concerns about me very early but i don’t think you’ve mentioned me since so idk how that’s progressed for you

[Hally]

inb4 ted sr’s me for that post

[tedxtr]

inb4 ted sr’s me for that post

I wasn't but I laughed when you made it hahahahaha

the irony in "btw I don't think I've done it at all besides asking you"

[Vulgard]

So.

The first few posts in 112's iso are mostly shitposts, nothing to see here. There is some shade thrown Ted's way by calling him mafia, and there's suspicion on Hally's tone, but unexplained.

When 112 returns to the thread, she immediately jumps the gun and comes in guns blazing with two scumreads -- on me, and on Poison. The one on me is explained by "stilted tone" and "repeating his cases" to "mimic progression." From my perspective, I... don't really understand it. I can't even call it outlandish, I just don't understand it and can't really respond to it. I've experienced that before while being scumread by mafia. This is a very similar feeling, and it's the reason I began to suspect 112 after she had returned to the thread.

112's read on Poison baffles me for many of the same reasons. It says that there are multiple elements in Poison's post about me, lists them all, then says there is nothing there... so IS THERE something, or is there nothing? And then there is a sudden complaint about tone, because "some of Poison's posts seem exaggerated." ...But tutuu is doing a similar thing, for example. And for some reason, that didn't seem to ring any alarm bells, did it?

#663. This one's actually correct, but I'm town and I'm doing this as town. I'd like to have actual backup and evidence for my reads this time around, thank you. And since my memory is very, very poor, posting like this helps me just like it (hopefully) helps some other people.

#665. Another post I don't understand. "Forced image of originality?" What... How did you get there? Why do you think so? Yet again, I'm stumped and I can't really respond. This is so far removed from what I could envision as a viable reason for scumreading me that it makes me believe it's false.

The next few posts are relatively "small" and attract much less attention. That said, I dislike these two posts in particular.

I don't know what to think of Ash. On the surface I think he's very towny, but I don't like how he gave me such an easy town lock. It feels like a TMI read.

im not immediately finding dunya town which saddnends me, townreading her was one of the highlights of this game that i was looking forward to

reasons for why could i not be townreading her but she could still be town:

1) its been a while since we played. a few months. maybe im not remembering stuff properly
2) she could be tired cuz its late and maybe she had a long day at work
3) im biased cuz i already have so much townreads and im hesitant to make more. but i dont think thats true. but it could be

I'm reading dunya's posts with a magnifying glass. I think there could be something there.

I think these two posts read like "mafia trying to look productive." Once again, I don't understand what 112's doing here, or where she's coming from. The read on Ash is pure hedge. "Very towny on the surface, but has potential TMI on me." These feel like two things which should never go together in a read on someone, if that makes sense. 112 picked two extremes here and seemingly called it a day. "Throwing it out there."

And the post about dunya is just "nothing," as 112 called Poison's post earlier. Why even write this post? I don't see a good reason why town would write this post, not even spontaneity, but mafia would write this post to look productive. It isn't written in a relaxed way, either, and that is something which would make this post look townier. 112 is the one with a very stilted tone, in my opinion. Which is ironic, considering what she accused me of. Remember? Stilted tone. Oh, and repeating my cases all the time. Which I'm not doing in this post, and which I haven't done in half my posts at least.

Finally, #803 is very cheap and not original, but that's less relevant in comparison to what I've already written.

Overall, I think 112's push on me is in bad faith, and perhaps the one on Poison as well. I don't understand half of the arguments 112 has used in both. Her contributions to the game outside of these two scumreads can be boiled down to "a few posts which look designed to seem mildly productive" and "fluffposting/shitposting early, with shade thrown Hally's way that never developed into anything beyond." Overall, this looks actively scummy, and I actually have confidence in this read unlike my earlier proddings.

That's all.

[Vulgard]

actually @112 whats your read on me now? i remember you had concerns about me very early but i don’t think you’ve mentioned me since so idk how that’s progressed for you

A part of me likes the fact that we independently remembered the same thing 112 did, but which never evolved into anything.

[tedxtr]

I should just stop thinking out loud altogether, it seems as though people have a hard time discerning when I have scum reads vs when I think about stuff that looked bad to me but I don't feel bad about them anymore vs when I think about stuff that looked bad to me but are probably not scum indicative, just irked me so I felt like saying it vs I'm saying stuff that shows I'm thinking about the game but not with the intent to actually hunt but rather to get town read and focus on level 1 stuff vs plenty of other instances because my mind is a messy place.

[tedxtr]

I have a bad habit of voicing out initial thoughts that I don't delve into and just keep it at level 1 and I just out the info to the thread so I interact with that person and see how they respond.

[Vulgard]

I had a few town pings from dunya when she came into the thread. Slightly above null.
Some of her posts felt very genuine.