Escape From Russia [GAME OVER]

[Poison]

im not in a good mood, tbh so i'll come back again later and try again

I like this

what do you like about this mich?

If you read the thread you would know tbh

Is just a like for a post not a read btw

well mich, i read the thread upto that and I don't see why you'd like that post . it's just a simple see-you-later post

[Poison]

like holistically speaking i like poison and ted better than ash and michelle

Don't make a sentence where you link me with random people please - _-
Looks wolfy..

"random people"

Did you read the sentence? it was 'ash and michelle'
Ignoring the fact my name is written with small letter instead capital letter, she holistically linked me with someome random.
You are linked there with Ted, fmpov

uh okay, i took that kinda normally, didn't give much thought to it.

[Poison]

AIght I'm taking a break, would start from page 18!

[Michelle]

im not in a good mood, tbh so i'll come back again later and try again

I like this

what do you like about this mich?

If you read the thread you would know tbh

Is just a like for a post not a read btw

well mich, i read the thread upto that and I don't see why you'd like that post . it's just a simple see-you-later post

Is simple worded, not a fancy way to bbl
The try again felt like she agreed the start was not good and looks like a true thought.
Why are you confused, i told you is not a read.

[Michelle]

[VOTE: Ash] aubergine

I will go to work, cya later

[Vulgard]

I think Long Con's been fairly genuine, relaxed, and natural. Light townread with similar reasoning to the dunya townlean, with the caveat that since dunya is very good as mafia (apparently), I'm not going to clear her fully for a while. Same applies to Long Con if he's known to be good as mafia.

Also.

[VOTE: 112] aubergine

At this point, my mind is slowly changing on Arete. I'm starting to think they are these exact three things:

- Town.
- Wrong on me, because I'm posting in a different lingustic style in comparison to my other recent games.
- Out of their depth in this game.

Not locking this in yet, but that's what I think. I don't think MafiaRete approaches me with this level of hesitation and doubt.

[Vulgard]

DrWilgy has exactly one post and it's a nothing-post. But that's towny in a vacuum.
Probably would not kill today.

Michelle still hasn't given me anything to read her either way. I might just hop into her ISO and force myself to have a read on her.

[Vulgard]

I'd like Arete to focus on a slot that isn't me for a few posts at least.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Are you rejecting the 1v1 death tunnel?

[Vulgard]

Town:

Poison
NANOOK
tutuu

Hally

Long Con
Arete

dunya
DrWilgy

Null:

Michelle
tedxtr
TSP
TripleHaven

Mafia:

Ash Lael (I am keeping in mind that his recent posts have sounded better to me.)

112

Current priority is to get some reads on Michelle and ted. Both have posted enough that I SHOULD have a read on them, but I don't, and it concerns me.

[Vulgard]

Nanook - yes. Having me and Arete tunnel each other is anti-town. We don't have to tunnel each other to solve each other.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

interesting

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Or to quote the great philosopher enthusiast TSP

hm

[Vulgard]

There have been games where one of us tunneled the other, only to change their mind. This isn't unusual.
Posted the previous as a legacy in case I get misyeeted, will keep updating with more reads most likely.

Jumping into Michelle's ISO, be right back.

[Vulgard]

Okay, upon re-reading Michelle's early posts I really like them. There is something about #195 which comes across as very towny, especially the university analogy. I don't think mafia would think of that, and even if they did, I don't think they would post that so spontaneously.

#704 is something I don't believe to be a set of takes that comes from mafia.

Vote is consistent with thought progression on Ash.

I don't really see much wrong with Michelle's ISO so far. Probably somewhere in the middle town if I had to place her on my readlist.

[Vulgard]

Ted keeps making me conflicted, and if I wasn't already hardpushing 112, I'd probably devote my energy to solving him.
By the way, 112 is still mafia and I encourage you to vote there.

[Vulgard]

I'm starting to feel better about ted as I read his early posts. There is this element of genuine confidence in your town alignment which I consider somewhat difficult to fake as mafia. His disappointment/annoyance about me saying he claimed mafia when he didn't (not directly, at least) also felt towny because of how much time he spent talking about it (multiple posts!).

I feel like there's something to be said about most people scumreading Ash. Ash might be a miss for that reason.

Anyway, going back to ted, the main thing giving me pause about him is that I don't like the way he seems to be reading people. ...And after I had written this, I remembered that ted posted #848, which would explain it.

Gun to head, ted's town. But I don't think he's as towny as Michelle overall. Lower percentage of posts I found openly towny.

[Vulgard]

If Poison's mafia, I don't think I'm getting there today unless somebody yells at me and says something like "THIS IS MAFIA POISON BY META, KILL HER NOW!!!"

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

If arete changes her mind and also backs away from the death tunnel, I’ll reconsider then!

[Vulgard]

My readlist looks more like this now.

Town:

Poison
NANOOK
tutuu

Hally

Michelle
Long Con
Arete

dunya
DrWilgy

Null:

tedxtr

Michelle
TSP
TripleHaven

Mafia:

Ash Lael (I am keeping in mind that his recent posts have sounded better to me.)

112

Tedxtr is slightly above null, but still null, if that makes sense.

[Vulgard]

You're welcome to vote me at EoD if Arete's still pushing me. I'm just saying they're wrong, but I also don't think that makes them mafia. Don't waste the entire day on this.

[Vulgard]

In hindsight, I should've allowed Arete to set this expectation instead of setting it myself, because now everybody wants to resolve us day 1 and I have a feeling it's going to end poorly (and it also decreases the chance for a mafia yeet on day 1).

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

It probably would be you tbh

Just for game geometry reasons atp...her SRing you but you not SRing her means if there’s a mafia between you it’s more likely you, based on your mutual god read claims.











But I probably won’t end up voting either of you

[Vulgard]

Town:

Poison
NANOOK
tutuu

Hally

Michelle
Long Con
Arete

dunya
DrWilgy

Null:

tedxtr

TSP
TripleHaven

Mafia:

Ash Lael (I am keeping in mind that his recent posts have sounded better to me.)

112



We only have one Michelle in this game. Corrected.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I mean I might if she sticks to her mafia read through to EOD

But my impression is that it is/was weakening so

If she rescinds the death tunnel I’ll probably look elsewhere if you’re both saying the other is town by EOD

[Vulgard]

Nanook, I actually agree. That has been the pattern before. I honestly wouldn't blame you if you misyeeted me for that reason.
I just... don't want TownRete to feel bad? And I would also like to kill a mafia day 1, but that's another thing and everyone would say that.

[Vulgard]

My impression of TSP's posts is something akin to "hmm, yes, these are indeed posts that exist."
Obviously not enough to pull me in either direction.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

If you’re t/t it would be cool for you both to live more than a day in your first game here kek

But the god read death tunnel has to be respected

[Vulgard]

*grumbling noises*

[Vulgard]

TripleStillHaven'tPosted.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

On the other hand if you’re t/t do you have any idea how incredibly smug I’d be

Nobody wants that tbh, not even me

[Ash Lael]

DrWilgy has exactly one post and it's a nothing-post. But that's towny in a vacuum.
Probably would not kill today.

Michelle still hasn't given me anything to read her either way. I might just hop into her ISO and force myself to have a read on her.

You can’t possibly be serious. You’re townreading someone for lurking?

Like, sure, I don’t mind withholding judgement till he gives us something to work with. But giving him an actual townread? As if no wolf has ever low-posted? That’s absurd.

[Vulgard]

I'm giving the slightest of townlean,s because the mindset you have to be in to post once (about memes) and dip is a mindset which low-effort town are more likely to have instead of low-effort mafia. Low-effort mafia would probably at least give a read (or more than one read), and/or post more than exactly once before dipping. Or they would try to meme themselves.

[dunya]

sorry guys, i was feeling pretty lousy and turns out i had some food poisoning and im still a little out of it but im here

gth reads without reading the thread, but a few tone-posts from each player here we go

112 - w
Arete - t
Ash Lael - w
DrWilgy - t
Hally - w
Long Con - t
Michelle - w
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - t
Poison Chan - t
tedxtr - w
TonyStarkPrime - t
TripleHaven - t
tutuu - t
Vulgard - t

my poe is
112
ash
hally
michelle
ted

i wanna say my strongest town reads are nanook and longcon tbh. my weakest wolf read is ted, so i will not vote for him until day 3 at least.

the person i think most likely could swing w from my t reads is vulgard for possible tmi, but i will eventually read up (or not) see what he has to offer.

high poster hally in a vacuum should be town, but i felt like she was gaslighting us with questions and content which she doesn't really build from. like they're prods and questions which she doesn't really care about one way or the other.

don't really know much about tsp, except he didn't like one of my posts and i like that reaction. no idea if triplehaven has posted yet, i'll get there.

wilgy im giving a soul town read to.

[dunya]

DrWilgy has exactly one post and it's a nothing-post. But that's towny in a vacuum.
Probably would not kill today.

Michelle still hasn't given me anything to read her either way. I might just hop into her ISO and force myself to have a read on her.

You can’t possibly be serious. You’re townreading someone for lurking?

Like, sure, I don’t mind withholding judgement till he gives us something to work with. But giving him an actual townread? As if no wolf has ever low-posted? That’s absurd.

i dont like this. it's got a very holier than thou tone over someone's reasoning, which discredits vulgard's authority and voice rather than implore and convince.

[Vulgard]

I cast a heal spell on dunya to make her feel better.

[dunya]

i just read vulgard's posts on this page and i actually like that he is "sorting" people out and doing a dedicated job of it by copy pasting his reads in every post and not afraid of them (those rainbow lists have caused scummers so much agony over the years). so yeah, i'll give him a much stronger town read now too!

[dunya]

[VOTE: 112] aubergine while i iso them

[dunya]

where's my baby tutuu?

i can't play without her positive energy guiding me in the right direction tbh

[Hally]

on page 8, going to take a break and catch up later

could vulgard be any more obviously scum?

112 is probably town for how they expressed this take + their general willingness to go against one of the most widely TR'd players as if it were self-evident

this read is definitely not a product of my own doubts about Vul

what are your doubts about vul?

when Vul is a villager, he's usually a shining beacon of towniness such that I can basically just open his posts and start scrolling them like 'this post was written by a villager, this post was written by a villager, this post was written by a villager...' and I can't really do that here

also his posts are excessively formal in a way that's not consistent with how he normally writes, which makes me think they might be fabricated and he's trying to make them sound more ?legitimate? or something. not weighting this one nearly as much as the 'his posts were not written by a villager' thing because I know English isn't his first language, and also he's an English major, which could maybe explain it

interesting. i feel like he is a shining beacon of towniness and am curious why you think he’s not. do you have more specific issues with his posts?

[Vulgard]

Tinfoil: Should 112/Ash both be town, the way dunya is handling them right now feels very mafia to me. In that world, dunya has the freedom to hop on the 112 wagon and simultaenously pocket me by doing so.

That's only if 112/Ash are v/v, though. And people will probably forget about this post later if I die.

[Hally]

feeling pretty good about:

112
Nanook
Ash

Hally*

feeling actively bad about:

Vul
maybe Long Con? their scumclaim post felt kind of like they were claiming scum to fit in with the other scumclaimers

*the fact that I am feeling good about them is uncorrelated with their actual alignment

lol @ my disclaimer

can you talk about 112 and ash more? what do you like about them?

[Vulgard]

I felt like I'd posted a lot, until I looked at Hally's postcount. Scary.

[dunya]

i isod 112 and she used one semicolon in all her posts. im not saying im onto something, but i may be onto something

i feel like i made her squirm. can i take credit for that?

[dunya]

Tinfoil: Should 112/Ash both be town, the way dunya is handling them right now feels very mafia to me. In that world, dunya has the freedom to hop on the 112 wagon and simultaenously pocket me by doing so.

That's only if 112/Ash are v/v, though. And people will probably forget about this post later if I die.

excuse me, what 112 wagon? excuse me, please don't invent narrative.

[dunya]

spicy take: poison is wolfing

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I looked through her scum game in the last GMan game and couldn’t find any semicolons in ~100 posts

I also couldn’t find any in the animals game


I was on my phone so no ctrl-f, but still

[Vulgard]

...Okay, maybe saying "wagon" is a bit much when I'm the only person there aside from you.

[Hally]

For those who were asking about my Hally read/progression, let me highlight a few of the things she's done that I thought were towny, starting from the beginning of the game.

112 is a good wolf right? because i already got light town pings from him calling out my tone. not sure a wolf would wanna come in swinging at me right away. but if he’s as good a wolf as i think he might be this sort of read doesn’t apply

This post hit me right away. Not because it's an especially towny post in isolation, but because of the context it occurs in. Hally has come into the thread in full meme mode, and suddenly this actual game-relevant thought asserts itself and compels her to change tack. It felt like a very real and unintentional shift in mind-track that came from a town brain that got distracted by something solvable popping up unexpectedly. As if you're walking along whistling to yourself and thinking about that thing you're going to buy and oh hey there's a dollar on the sidewalk.

Good morning ^^

I never trust Ted, Hally feels nice, Nanook is as expected, 112 and Ash idk.

Little play time from me, i will keep it short

why do i feel nice?

Doesn't take the town cred and bank it, instead pushes back and interrogates, and against a player known for retaliatory scumreads.

i have a scum read already

whoever can tell me who it is gets town points

This one comes about ten minutes after the last post. That passage of time felt very natural to me, as I was going through a similar process at about the same speed, going from "Ok, why?" to "Hmm, maybe that means something," to "Yeah, actually, I think that might mean something." Most of the Hally/me mindmelds have been me saying something she was thinking, which doesn't super impress me because someone can just quote you and go "Same! OMG we're so on the same wavelength!" This time she was saying something I was thinking. Assuming of course that she was actually thinking of Michelle but I think she had to be because I don't think Hally goes and throws out a question like that with no answer in mind as either alignment.

michelles reaction wasn’t really what i was expecting regardless of her alignment tbh

This post is very much a "I had a mental model of this player and it was wrong and now I don't really know what to do with them" kind of post. And it matches Hally's tone and attitude over the next series of posts. Her brain was on a track, it got derailed by unexpected information. Seems like genuine surprise from someone who doesn't know how things fit, rather than someone who's coming in with an outcome they want and is trying to make them fit.

Spoiler: show

kinda regret posting the michelle read because now i feel like i forced the issue too much

Hally town cuz they put it in spoiler (is my real read)

Unless theyre the type of scum that goes to rob a house and cleans it up after robbing it as a nice gesture

idk what this means

If i was scum and doing what ur doing i wouldnt have put that post in a spoiler to make sure its more out there so ppl can see my "progression". I thought putting it in a spoiler as an extra step to show ur emotions was towny

oh

i mean your conclusion is correct but i have no idea if i would use a spoiler as scum or not

Correcting the townread rather than just banking it.

think that’s a towny read for tutuu to make though. i don’t think a wolf thinks to fake a read about how me using a spoiler is towny

Subsequent reflection on what it means about tutuu feels real. Comes a natural period of time afterwards, feels like a natural timeframe for Hally's brain to move onto that subject and come to that conclusion.

Mich town

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

yea i was probably wrong

This kind of embarrassment feels real. This is "oh I probably made a dumb read and look dumb". Wolves don't care about making dumb reads, they know their reads are wrong, they're trying to be wrong, they don't get embarassed.

And on and on it goes. Hally's whole ISO is packed with things I can point to and say why that thing feels towny. I could fill pages with this stuff.

And then I come to "But Hally good wolf". Yeah that stuff looks towny to me. But I know Hally can look towny as a wolf. Heck, I've seen her do some of these exact things as a wolf just recently. So I don't want to give her a cheap townread. I even briefly toy with the idea that maybe she's a wolf for being too towny and trying too hard before deciding that's kind of a stupid read because she's towny as hell as town too.

But she just keeps being towny and the list of reasons to think Hally is town keeps getting longer and longer and the list of reasons to think Hally is a wolf is stuck at "But Hally good wolf." I don't like null reads, I have absolutely nothing to scum read, what am I supposed to do? I have to town read this.

Can I be wrong? Of course I can be wrong. I'm wrong a lot. I'm not locking this read for all time, I'm gonna continually reassess, and if I get a reason to think Hally's a wolf I'll jump on her. But I don't have one, and I'm not going to invent one that's not there like I did in G8 reunion. So for now, my best guess of Hally's role card is she's town.

alright, this does explain your read on me well, ty

[Vulgard]

spicy take: poison is wolfing

Spicy take: you should probably explain your reads, especially if they are considered controversial in the threadstate.