Escape From Russia [GAME OVER]

[Vulgard]

We've actually needed to make a conscious collective effort to post less. So I really don't mind. I think the pace of this game is perfectly acceptable.
Ash, what do you think we should do as a town collective? Do you have a towncore you'd like to work with, and/or preferred pushes? I feel like you allowed your NANOOK scumread to fly past everyone without pushing it much further, for instance. Which is why I'm asking you about the direction you intend to take.

[Hally]

The fact they have barely read anyone in this game outside of my slot is what makes me believe they are out of their depth (or busy). This isn't what they typically do as town. They tend to have reads on everyone in the game by EoD1, and can typically back all of them up one way or another.
They don't have this low number of reads as mafia either, though, which is why I'm not advocating that Arete is mafia for that reason.

gotcha

[Hally]

You'd have a field day with a particular player on our home site. They FPS at least 20 times a day, make fake reads and pushes, and fluff in combination with real (or fake) reads.
All of the above both as town and mafia.

Anyway. I think I understand why dunya's mafia game is regarded as very strong. She strikes me as the type of player who can be a force to be reckoned with.

katze?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

You'd have a field day with a particular player on our home site. They FPS at least 20 times a day, make fake reads and pushes, and fluff in combination with real (or fake) reads.
All of the above both as town and mafia.

Anyway. I think I understand why dunya's mafia game is regarded as very strong. She strikes me as the type of player who can be a force to be reckoned with.

What’s their name?

[Hally]

How good is LC's scumgame?

pretty good. we caught him last game almost immediately but hes had lots of success as scum typically. i lean town on him atm

[Vulgard]

You'd have a field day with a particular player on our home site. They FPS at least 20 times a day, make fake reads and pushes, and fluff in combination with real (or fake) reads.
All of the above both as town and mafia.

Anyway. I think I understand why dunya's mafia game is regarded as very strong. She strikes me as the type of player who can be a force to be reckoned with.

katze?

Yup. I was in a 4p MyLo with them recently and it was a nightmare for me. A fun nightmare, though.
There's your answer too, Nanook.

[Hally]

kinda think arete/vul is t/t, pending more from arete obviously on their vul read and just in general

if they are t/t, then i think this game is quite sortable atm. the poe becomes relatively small from my pov

[Vulgard]

How good is LC's scumgame?

pretty good. we caught him last game almost immediately but hes had lots of success as scum typically. i lean town on him atm

Then I'm not going to clear him until further notice. I also lean town, but I'm not going any further than that.
Dumb question; do the role colors mean anything regarding player strength? I'm accustomed to the differently-colored players on a forum generally being quite experienced.

[Hally]

You'd have a field day with a particular player on our home site. They FPS at least 20 times a day, make fake reads and pushes, and fluff in combination with real (or fake) reads.
All of the above both as town and mafia.

Anyway. I think I understand why dunya's mafia game is regarded as very strong. She strikes me as the type of player who can be a force to be reckoned with.

katze?

Yup. I was in a 4p MyLo with them recently and it was a nightmare for me. A fun nightmare, though.
There's your answer too, Nanook.

i play turbos with kat a lot on MU and they fake claim cop every time regardless of their role

[Vulgard]

kinda think arete/vul is t/t, pending more from arete obviously on their vul read and just in general

if they are t/t, then i think this game is quite sortable atm. the poe becomes relatively small from my pov

I honestly think I needed to relax a little. Playing somewhere for the first time is always slightly awkward for me.
My tone is different from my last game, because I'm attempting a playstyle shift. I don't think my hyper aggro, volatile style that I've used for the past few games is very effective.

What's the PoE you're alluding to?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Oh yeah I know of Katze by reputation

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Nah colors are totally unrelated to skill

Mine is cause I’m hosting a game

LC’s is cause he’s on the graphics team

None of them have anything to do with skill level

[Hally]

How good is LC's scumgame?

pretty good. we caught him last game almost immediately but hes had lots of success as scum typically. i lean town on him atm

Then I'm not going to clear him until further notice. I also lean town, but I'm not going any further than that.
Dumb question; do the role colors mean anything regarding player strength? I'm accustomed to the differently-colored players on a forum generally being quite experienced.

no they have nothing to do with player strength. they denote different groups

green like you and me is just a regular user

blue is a game facilitator/mod

cyan is the community team, which is kinda a mod

dark teal is admin

bright red is graphics team (though i believe its just lc)

every other color just means that the person is currently hosting some kind of game

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Jinx you owe me a hot dog

[Vulgard]

LC is pretty epic if he's an entire team.
Anyway, we've kinda stopped solving the game. Hally, talk to me about your PoE. I don't think I have a confident PoE of 3 (or 4) at this point. I'm assuming 3 mafia, but 4 isn't impossible, right?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Probably three and an indie

[tutuu]

i changed my mind

[tutuu]

didnt read, lol!

[VOTE: vulgard] aubergine

[Vulgard]

*cries hysterically*

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

So yeah this game is like

Probably 90% solved or something like that

Which is pretty good for partway through D1 tbh

[Vulgard]

I'm surprised both you and Hally have this confidence that the game is pretty much solved. I don't feel that way at all. I have exactly one confident scumread, and my towncore has around 4 to 5 people, which isn't much in a 15er and which could've been infiltrated by mafia and/or 3p.

[tutuu]

Wtf we solved the game on d1????

[tutuu]

Dude thats, like, rad, man

[Vulgard]

Tutuu has gradually improved for me to the point I no longer have any idea why I ever scumread her to begin with.

[Hally]

town:
nook
tutuu

town lean:
tony
poison
ted
lc
vul
arete

idk yet:
ash
112
michelle
dunya

absent:
wilgy
trip


im like here? i could put more ppl in hard town if i wanted. like tony maybe. as soon as he started posting i was like “that’s town!tsp,” but i just want to wait before locking that in

ted as well could be hard town for me but im keeping him one lower out of respect for his scum game/because i know he can fool me

i do see what some people are saying about poison (dunya and vul i think) that she maybe isn’t giving many concrete takes? but i know she absolutely hates being mafia so i find her engagement here to be town indicative. i think she’d come off flatter and post less as scum. not gonna lock it in because concerns are noted but i feel good about her

lc seems like town!lc to me. caveat us he said he would play differently from last game if he randed scum again. w/e. still a town lean

vul/arete is pending further interactions and stuff from them but i can’t help but tr vul’s posts here even if arete says he can do them as scum. the solving and moments of doubt and everything just read very genuine to me. if arete feels strongly at EoD that vul is just mafia, i’ll have to consider that though. and for arete, i think how they’ve approached vul seems pretty natural. i don’t get the sense they’re forcing themselves to read him one way or another. i also think vul reading arete town makes them more likely town regardless of vul’s alignment. would like more content from arete though

im keeping 112/ash where they are because i cant decide what i think of them. i need to iso them and try to get more clarity. atm idk if i actually have any issues with either of them or if im just scared of not being able to read them well and sponging people who sr them. tbd

dunya and michelle i just want to wait and see on

wilgy/trip... yea

so like, i don’t actually have any scum reads atm, which is not like... great but idk what to do about it. nobody sticks out to me as like obvious mafia rn

[Vulgard]

Townystarkprime?
I'm sorry. Get used to terrible puns if you want to interact with me.

"i do see what some people are saying about poison (dunya and vul i think) that she maybe isn’t giving many concrete takes? but i know she absolutely hates being mafia so i find her engagement here to be town indicative. i think she’d come off flatter and post less as scum. not gonna lock it in because concerns are noted but i feel good about her"

This is pretty much how I currently feel as well. Then again, the lack of reads could be because she hates being mafia and attempts to hide the hatred by interacting with people (and potentially pocketing them in the process).

[Vulgard]

"wilgy/trip... yea"

Epic read right there.
Do you agree with my take on Wilgy?

[Ash Lael]

We've actually needed to make a conscious collective effort to post less. So I really don't mind. I think the pace of this game is perfectly acceptable.
Ash, what do you think we should do as a town collective? Do you have a towncore you'd like to work with, and/or preferred pushes? I feel like you allowed your NANOOK scumread to fly past everyone without pushing it much further, for instance. Which is why I'm asking you about the direction you intend to take.

I dunno man. I feel like the game’s a mess. You and 112 are my strongest townreads and you’re busy trying to kill each other.

I don’t know wtf to do with Nanook. Everything he does screams scum to me but going by the reactions from other people who know him they seem to think he’s town and I’m just scumreading his personality. But he’s refusing to engage with me sensibly so I don’t know how I’m supposed to get there on him if I’m wrong.

Tutuu has sort of disappeared after declaring she was going to start playing seriously. I hope she comes back and sticks to that plan and gives me a chance to try and see better what’s going on underneath all the memes and randomness.

Michelle is still in catchup so I’m continuing to withhold judgement but the longer the game goes without town Michelle showing up the more I feel like it’s just not gonna happen.

I still have a bunch of players I need to sort but I mostly just need to give them time. Wilgy has posted once, Tony has only just caught up, etc.

If I could ask for one thing from other players like you it would be for them to prevail on Nanook and Long Con to engage with me and answer my questions. Right now I feel like I’m beating my head against a brick wall and making no progress.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I’ve locked in like four people, couple more I feel pretty good about, two that are either in a death tunnel or locked in tbd, either way is good...what’s not to feel good about

[Hally]

Probably three and an indie

yea

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I have actually answered you ash, you just didn’t like the answer so I started being snarky when you kept asking

[Hally]

I'm surprised both you and Hally have this confidence that the game is pretty much solved. I don't feel that way at all. I have exactly one confident scumread, and my towncore has around 4 to 5 people, which isn't much in a 15er and which could've been infiltrated by mafia and/or 3p.

i don’t have a lot of confidence, but like i do feel pretty ok about things rn

[Hally]

Townystarkprime?
I'm sorry. Get used to terrible puns if you want to interact with me.

"i do see what some people are saying about poison (dunya and vul i think) that she maybe isn’t giving many concrete takes? but i know she absolutely hates being mafia so i find her engagement here to be town indicative. i think she’d come off flatter and post less as scum. not gonna lock it in because concerns are noted but i feel good about her"

This is pretty much how I currently feel as well. Then again, the lack of reads could be because she hates being mafia and attempts to hide the hatred by interacting with people (and potentially pocketing them in the process).

idk i just think it would come off differently if she was scum

[Vulgard]

I feel like Ash's post just now is very mafia. "I do not townread anyone, you guys are aligning too closely together, I have to break you up." Could come from a discontent townie in theory, but every single take in the post is a somewhat hedgy suspicion instead of a concrete town/scumread. And that really bothers me.
There are also additional excuses for not having reads on the lower posters, which I deem unnecessary to include unless you're very self-conscious. And mafia are the ones who have to be somewhat self-conscious. Yadda yadda.

Sorry if you're town, Ash, but I really didn't like your response just now, for the reasons mentioned above.

I'm trying to engage with you; the post you just quoted was an attempt to do that. Why do you think me/112 are V/V? What makes you think we're townies butting our heads against one another?
Also, what is your take on the me/Arete thing? You don't seem concerned about that at all. (A part of me is tinfoiling that you are TMIng both of us town and that is why you are not concerned.)

[Vulgard]

Also, tutuu was in the thread just now. I don't think that saying she disappeared is a fair assessment. She's also one of the highest posters.

[Hally]

"wilgy/trip... yea"

Epic read right there.
Do you agree with my take on Wilgy?

that him one-posting is town indicative? i think it’s kinda person-specific. but like, i’ve seen wilgy low post as town often. it’s not a concern to me atm. i just don’t feel the need to force a read there rn

[Vulgard]

I understand.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Wilgy can definitely do this as either alignment

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Ash if you ask me whatever you want to quickly I’ll do my best to give you a straight answer

[Hally]

nook can you link me the game where 112 was mafia amd endgamed you/tony?

[Hally]

pretending for a moment that it actually happened of course

[Vulgard]

Was anyone pinged as strongly by Ash's most recent post as I was?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

nook can you link me the game where 112 was mafia amd endgamed you/tony?

It was escape from trump tower, should be in the finished heists section

Too lazy to link it lolol

[Hally]

Was anyone pinged as strongly by Ash's most recent post as I was?

not really. i think that post was specifically about the people he’s having a hard time sorting but he has more concrete reads on other people

[Hally]

nook can you link me the game where 112 was mafia amd endgamed you/tony?

It was escape from trump tower, should be in the finished heists section

Too lazy to link it lolol

ty

[Hally]

https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/searc ... sf=msgonly

link to 112’s iso from their recent scum game ^

it... seems pretty different to me? she’s a lot more free flowing here than she was there

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I’m having second hand deja vu lmao

[Hally]

I’m having second hand deja vu lmao

wdym

[Hally]

idk just going off the difference between that iso vs this game, 112 is pretty clearly town. one game sample size, etc but she’s not posting the same imo

[Hally]

would appreciate another set of eyes on that^ though just as a sanity check