Escape From Russia [GAME OVER]

[Ash Lael]

I moved my vote

What. No. Go back.

[Hally]

sorry ash

[Ash Lael]

Seriously? Triplehaven?

[Poison]

huh I do recall poison not voting

She posted a reads list with me at bottom, i asked where is my vote and she said she votes when she wants.
Now she came and voted me, noticed the gamestate when no one jumped on me and voted oportunistic in TSPs wagon because she made a case on him earlier in the day.

When i asked her few questions she snapped at me an aggresive speech.

I rescind my town lean i had on her, for her bad progression, she is back to null reads now.

Townies
Hally
Tutuu
Nanook
Vulgard
Prob Arete because Vulgard said so
I can put here 112 i think

A null with potential to be villager 3H
Dr. W

Nulls that were lowered from TRs
Ted
Poison

Wolves
Ash
Dunya

I would not lynch today Tony and Long Con, i need to see them playing more, they are null reads too.

1. I was never aggressive.
2. You have all the very right to prove me wrong, instead of doing that you say "bla bla bla bla bla"
3. I didn't snap at you, I pointed out how wrong you are presenting your words.

[mention]Michelle[/mention] well, even though your beliefs on meta is controversial, but let me tell you this, I get a tiny bit irritated when people Start misleading others with their false narrative and dodges to show the required quotes or instances supporting their narratives. Since they fail to do that, it just further proves that they never really had a Base and simply went on with false assumptions and narration.

Try to remember Poison vs Naomi.

[TonyStarkPrime]

waiting to see what the wolves do

I moved my vote

What. No. Go back.

was expecting better tbh

[Ash Lael]

Two and a half thousand posts of ostensible scum hunting and we’re lynching the lowest of low hanging fruit?

[Poison]

I too would like to chop Ash

why not 112?

get me up to speed, who're your top scum reads?

Top scum read is still 112 but I don't have the best track record reading 112. Michelle is trending downwards, I didn't like her interactions with Poison but I might be missing something. Wilgy's always a ? And Ash is some Australian dude who thinks I'm a wolf and that's suspicious.

Can you expand a bit on 112?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Two and a half thousand posts of ostensible scum hunting and we’re lynching the lowest of low hanging fruit?

a lot hanging on "ostensible"

[Hally]

yup

[Ash Lael]

waiting to see what the wolves do

I moved my vote

What. No. Go back.

was expecting better tbh

You don’t even have a reason for scumreading me other than omgus.

[TonyStarkPrime]

waiting to see what the wolves do

I moved my vote

What. No. Go back.

was expecting better tbh

You don’t even have a reason for scumreading me other than omgus.

completely accurate but I could make one up

[Hally]

ash convince me to vote tony

[Ash Lael]

ash convince me to vote tony

Because when I first confronted him about why couldn’t wolf dunya have put one of Vulgard/Arete in PoE if she had a partner there, he made an argument about why dunya would have done that to her partner.

When I confronted him again more recently he made up that he had a strong townread on Arete and thought she couldn’t be partnered with Dunya for that reason.

Inconsistent reasons because the real reason is he knows they are both town and forgot he wasn’t supposed to know that.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I too would like to chop Ash

why not 112?

get me up to speed, who're your top scum reads?

Top scum read is still 112 but I don't have the best track record reading 112. Michelle is trending downwards, I didn't like her interactions with Poison but I might be missing something. Wilgy's always a ? And Ash is some Australian dude who thinks I'm a wolf and that's suspicious.

Can you expand a bit on 112?

The first 60 posts of 112's iso read very similarly to 112's iso in the previous game in this series. They seem wholly unconcerned with the problems of the thread. I'm not sure what to do with 112's EoD yet, but they didn't vote for me so that's generally a good sign

[Poison]

not actually here rn but @tedxtr can you explain your reads more? like why dunya/tony/ash are mafia? or maybe make like mini cases on them? just so i can look at your reasoning for those reads before EoD since i don’t think you’ll be awake

Ash not really making villager-y posts, he has heaps of mini tunnels without any form of consistency or re-evaluation, his grasp of the game is narrow apart from making that list and then picking on specific things.

He doesn’t seem too interested in pushing any read of his, the early nanook tunnel I believe was not going anywhere and he sat for as long as he could without actually trying to sell a scum case.

From a holistic PoV I’d say he isn’t trying to push his reads at all which isn’t what I’d expect out of Ash based off what I’ve seen from him in spec chat with all his theories and engagement (this is more of an assumption that I could be wrong about, but it’s lolD1 where we have 2 no posters and other slots just being indiscernible)

Out of all the defending blocks Ash seems like the only appealing yeet that will at least please some people / has a somewhat decent shot of happening and people won’t cry about it.

It’s hard to make a convincing case and pushing someone when there are people shielding each other for no declared reason. It’s D1, yeet whoever isn’t townie enough, I don’t really like to complicate on D1.

I kinda see what you are saying tbh..

[TonyStarkPrime]

ash convince me to vote tony

Because when I first confronted him about why couldn’t wolf dunya have put one of Vulgard/Arete in PoE if she had a partner there, he made an argument about why dunya would have done that to her partner.

When I confronted him again more recently he made up that he had a strong townread on Arete and thought she couldn’t be partnered with Dunya for that reason.

Inconsistent reasons because the real reason is he knows they are both town and forgot he wasn’t supposed to know that.

do you have any other reasons because I've heard this one several times

[Poison]

I too would like to chop Ash

why not 112?

get me up to speed, who're your top scum reads?

Top scum read is still 112 but I don't have the best track record reading 112. Michelle is trending downwards, I didn't like her interactions with Poison but I might be missing something. Wilgy's always a ? And Ash is some Australian dude who thinks I'm a wolf and that's suspicious.

Can you expand a bit on 112?

The first 60 posts of 112's iso read very similarly to 112's iso in the previous game in this series. They seem wholly unconcerned with the problems of the thread. I'm not sure what to do with 112's EoD yet, but they didn't vote for me so that's generally a good sign

So it's mostly a meta why you scum read her?

[tutuu]

ash convince me to vote tony

Because when I first confronted him about why couldn’t wolf dunya have put one of Vulgard/Arete in PoE if she had a partner there, he made an argument about why dunya would have done that to her partner.

When I confronted him again more recently he made up that he had a strong townread on Arete and thought she couldn’t be partnered with Dunya for that reason.

Inconsistent reasons because the real reason is he knows they are both town and forgot he wasn’t supposed to know that.

havent read in detail so apologies for chiming in but

there is a world where u are town and u are correct that tony is mafia

but i sincerely doubt tony forgot he wasn't supposed to know that a bunch of people are town. like. thats not a mistake someone makes with like, lets say, 10+ games under their belt

[Ash Lael]

ash convince me to vote tony

Because when I first confronted him about why couldn’t wolf dunya have put one of Vulgard/Arete in PoE if she had a partner there, he made an argument about why dunya would have done that to her partner.

When I confronted him again more recently he made up that he had a strong townread on Arete and thought she couldn’t be partnered with Dunya for that reason.

Inconsistent reasons because the real reason is he knows they are both town and forgot he wasn’t supposed to know that.

do you have any other reasons because I've heard this one several times

Yeah your energy is different.

[Hally]

ash convince me to vote tony

Because when I first confronted him about why couldn’t wolf dunya have put one of Vulgard/Arete in PoE if she had a partner there, he made an argument about why dunya would have done that to her partner.

When I confronted him again more recently he made up that he had a strong townread on Arete and thought she couldn’t be partnered with Dunya for that reason.

Inconsistent reasons because the real reason is he knows they are both town and forgot he wasn’t supposed to know that.

not really convinced sorry

[Hally]

I too would like to chop Ash

why not 112?

get me up to speed, who're your top scum reads?

Top scum read is still 112 but I don't have the best track record reading 112. Michelle is trending downwards, I didn't like her interactions with Poison but I might be missing something. Wilgy's always a ? And Ash is some Australian dude who thinks I'm a wolf and that's suspicious.

Can you expand a bit on 112?

The first 60 posts of 112's iso read very similarly to 112's iso in the previous game in this series. They seem wholly unconcerned with the problems of the thread. I'm not sure what to do with 112's EoD yet, but they didn't vote for me so that's generally a good sign

i disagree that 112 reads similarly

[TonyStarkPrime]

I too would like to chop Ash

why not 112?

get me up to speed, who're your top scum reads?

Top scum read is still 112 but I don't have the best track record reading 112. Michelle is trending downwards, I didn't like her interactions with Poison but I might be missing something. Wilgy's always a ? And Ash is some Australian dude who thinks I'm a wolf and that's suspicious.

Can you expand a bit on 112?

The first 60 posts of 112's iso read very similarly to 112's iso in the previous game in this series. They seem wholly unconcerned with the problems of the thread. I'm not sure what to do with 112's EoD yet, but they didn't vote for me so that's generally a good sign

So it's mostly a meta why you scum read her?

Well the first 60 posts are also wholly unconcerned with the problems of the thread, which is perhaps the bigger issue. I don't know 112 all that well but on meta if they're doing a scummy thing and I've seen them do that scummy thing as scum, I have no reason not to call it like that

[Hally]

ash convince me to vote tony

Because when I first confronted him about why couldn’t wolf dunya have put one of Vulgard/Arete in PoE if she had a partner there, he made an argument about why dunya would have done that to her partner.

When I confronted him again more recently he made up that he had a strong townread on Arete and thought she couldn’t be partnered with Dunya for that reason.

Inconsistent reasons because the real reason is he knows they are both town and forgot he wasn’t supposed to know that.

do you have any other reasons because I've heard this one several times

Yeah your energy is different.

how do you know?

[TonyStarkPrime]

I too would like to chop Ash

why not 112?

get me up to speed, who're your top scum reads?

Top scum read is still 112 but I don't have the best track record reading 112. Michelle is trending downwards, I didn't like her interactions with Poison but I might be missing something. Wilgy's always a ? And Ash is some Australian dude who thinks I'm a wolf and that's suspicious.

Can you expand a bit on 112?

The first 60 posts of 112's iso read very similarly to 112's iso in the previous game in this series. They seem wholly unconcerned with the problems of the thread. I'm not sure what to do with 112's EoD yet, but they didn't vote for me so that's generally a good sign

i disagree that 112 reads similarly

MAybe a bit looser here? I'll check abdimals

[Ash Lael]

ash convince me to vote tony

Because when I first confronted him about why couldn’t wolf dunya have put one of Vulgard/Arete in PoE if she had a partner there, he made an argument about why dunya would have done that to her partner.

When I confronted him again more recently he made up that he had a strong townread on Arete and thought she couldn’t be partnered with Dunya for that reason.

Inconsistent reasons because the real reason is he knows they are both town and forgot he wasn’t supposed to know that.

do you have any other reasons because I've heard this one several times

Yeah your energy is different.

how do you know?

Because I saw tony in g7 and SF1 and he had a different energy about him that he doesn’t have here.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

TSP wasn’t in school at that time IIRC

[TonyStarkPrime]

ash convince me to vote tony

Because when I first confronted him about why couldn’t wolf dunya have put one of Vulgard/Arete in PoE if she had a partner there, he made an argument about why dunya would have done that to her partner.

When I confronted him again more recently he made up that he had a strong townread on Arete and thought she couldn’t be partnered with Dunya for that reason.

Inconsistent reasons because the real reason is he knows they are both town and forgot he wasn’t supposed to know that.

do you have any other reasons because I've heard this one several times

Yeah your energy is different.

how do you know?

Because I saw tony in g7 and SF1 and he had a different energy about him that he doesn’t have here.

And I saw Ash in G8 and G8.1 and he was always wrong

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Tbf he was mafia in 8.1!

[TonyStarkPrime]

And I still have more posts than I ever had in a phase in a champs game

[Ash Lael]

ash convince me to vote tony

Because when I first confronted him about why couldn’t wolf dunya have put one of Vulgard/Arete in PoE if she had a partner there, he made an argument about why dunya would have done that to her partner.

When I confronted him again more recently he made up that he had a strong townread on Arete and thought she couldn’t be partnered with Dunya for that reason.

Inconsistent reasons because the real reason is he knows they are both town and forgot he wasn’t supposed to know that.

do you have any other reasons because I've heard this one several times

Yeah your energy is different.

how do you know?

Because I saw tony in g7 and SF1 and he had a different energy about him that he doesn’t have here.

And I saw Ash in G8 and G8.1 and he was always wrong

I wasn’t wrong about the wolf who outed himself with TMI.

[Hally]

ash convince me to vote tony

Because when I first confronted him about why couldn’t wolf dunya have put one of Vulgard/Arete in PoE if she had a partner there, he made an argument about why dunya would have done that to her partner.

When I confronted him again more recently he made up that he had a strong townread on Arete and thought she couldn’t be partnered with Dunya for that reason.

Inconsistent reasons because the real reason is he knows they are both town and forgot he wasn’t supposed to know that.

do you have any other reasons because I've heard this one several times

Yeah your energy is different.

how do you know?

Because I saw tony in g7 and SF1 and he had a different energy about him that he doesn’t have here.

i don’t think that comparing him to a champs environment is valid. im sure i also have a bit of a different energy from champs too

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Meh there are some comparisons that are valid and fine

Some stuff translates poorly across sites

[TonyStarkPrime]

Ash, for a second let's assume you're town. Hello. I'm TSP. We know each other from spec chat. Several people who know me from /mafia/ say that I'm town. Please listen to them.

[Hally]

like, you may be right ash. i have no idea. but the strength of the arguments you’re making is very weak compared to the confidence you have in the read. you know you have a tendency to tunnel a lot as town. idk why you don’t take a breath

[Poison]

I'm literally waiting for the flip so that I can go back to sleep

[Poison]

Ash, for a second let's assume you're town. Hello. I'm TSP. We know each other from spec chat. Several people who know me from /mafia/ say that I'm town. Please listen to them.

I literally know syndicate from spec chat

[TonyStarkPrime]

I need to get back to Kant

[TonyStarkPrime]

Ash, for a second let's assume you're town. Hello. I'm TSP. We know each other from spec chat. Several people who know me from /mafia/ say that I'm town. Please listen to them.

I literally know syndicate from spec chat

you're not who I;m talking about you think I'm a wolf for reasons you never explained while you ask me questions that you never follow up on

[Hally]

idk like

maybe tony is mafia but rn i don’t feel comfortable voting him out. id like him to have a day

[Ash Lael]

like, you may be right ash. i have no idea. but the strength of the arguments you’re making is very weak compared to the confidence you have in the read. you know you have a tendency to tunnel a lot as town. idk why you don’t take a breath

You think everyone is town, why should I care that you think Tony is town?

[Ash Lael]

Ok sorry that was unfair and I misrepresented you.

[Poison]

Ash, for a second let's assume you're town. Hello. I'm TSP. We know each other from spec chat. Several people who know me from /mafia/ say that I'm town. Please listen to them.

I literally know syndicate from spec chat

you're not who I;m talking about you think I'm a wolf for reasons you never explained while you ask me questions that you never follow up on

Wdym I never explained why I scum read you?

[Poison]

And which follow up did I not reply to?

[Ash Lael]

Poison had a whole wallpost on you tony.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Ash, for a second let's assume you're town. Hello. I'm TSP. We know each other from spec chat. Several people who know me from /mafia/ say that I'm town. Please listen to them.

I literally know syndicate from spec chat

you're not who I;m talking about you think I'm a wolf for reasons you never explained while you ask me questions that you never follow up on

Wdym I never explained why I scum read you?

wait you made a wall I forgot

[TonyStarkPrime]

And which follow up did I not reply to?

did you say anything about the 112 reply?

[112]

Town
112
Hally
tutuu
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Poison Chan
TonyStarkPrime
Michelle
dunya
Vulgard
Arete
DrWilgy
Ash Lael
Long Con
tedxtr
Mafia

Null:
TripleHaven

[Hally]

like, you may be right ash. i have no idea. but the strength of the arguments you’re making is very weak compared to the confidence you have in the read. you know you have a tendency to tunnel a lot as town. idk why you don’t take a breath

You think everyone is town, why should I care that you think Tony is town?

you don’t have to care. im not asking you to change your read. im simply asking you to step back and consider that tony could be town and what that could mean. just try to see him as town and hear what others are saying. and if you still feel he’s mafia after you do that, it’s perfectly fine to keep pushing him

[Poison]

And which follow up did I not reply to?

did you say anything about the 112 reply?

Oh might have missed the last one

[Ash Lael]

Where did dunya go? She said she was gonna iso tony then disappeared.