Escape From Russia [GAME OVER]

[tutuu]

I really don’t understand this “oh no where are the townies” attitude

Like fuck take a look around there’s townies left and right

lets hope your poe is right then buddy

[Michelle]

@Michelle you know poison. do you actually think she could be a wolf here?

There is nothing to cleat her.

Poison changed after Champs into a talkative player who likes to hear herself more than she was previously.

It was an answer to Ted who looked bad, he said she is volume clear and she said something like 'you fool'.
Common sense says i should be wary about both of them.

[Michelle]

in a role madness game its okay to not have a big towncore but in a mountainous-esque game with 3 PRs total we gonna get fucked bois

Can you type 'and gals' at the end of your sentence? Tnx!

[Michelle]

Too early for me 6 am.. Cya later

@ me, etc

[tutuu]

in a role madness game its okay to not have a big towncore but in a mountainous-esque game with 3 PRs total we gonna get fucked bois

Can you type 'and gals' at the end of your sentence? Tnx!

guys and bois has become pretty much gender neutral in modern day american slang tbh

maybe bois less so but guys is absolutely gender neutral now

[tutuu]

but i will add gals at the end of it just to endear u cuz ur just too cute

[Hally]

@Michelle you know poison. do you actually think she could be a wolf here?

There is nothing to cleat her.

Poison changed after Champs into a talkative player who likes to hear herself more than she was previously.

It was an answer to Ted who looked bad, he said she is volume clear and she said something like 'you fool'.
Common sense says i should be wary about both of them.

i think her level of involvement is clearing

[Poison]

Morning and sad you didn't find a wolf
I have this ping i will answer even if is 5 am

huh I do recall poison not voting

She posted a reads list with me at bottom, i asked where is my vote and she said she votes when she wants.
Now she came and voted me, noticed the gamestate when no one jumped on me and voted oportunistic in TSPs wagon because she made a case on him earlier in the day.

When i asked her few questions she snapped at me an aggresive speech.

I rescind my town lean i had on her, for her bad progression, she is back to null reads now.

Townies
Hally
Tutuu
Nanook
Vulgard
Prob Arete because Vulgard said so
I can put here 112 i think

A null with potential to be villager 3H
Dr. W

Nulls that were lowered from TRs
Ted
Poison

Wolves
Ash
Dunya

I would not lynch today Tony and Long Con, i need to see them playing more, they are null reads too.

1. I was never aggressive.
2. You have all the very right to prove me wrong, instead of doing that you say "bla bla bla bla bla"
3. I didn't snap at you, I pointed out how wrong you are presenting your words.

@Michelle well, even though your beliefs on meta is controversial, but let me tell you this, I get a tiny bit irritated when people Start misleading others with their false narrative and dodges to show the required quotes or instances supporting their narratives. Since they fail to do that, it just further proves that they never really had a Base and simply went on with false assumptions and narration.

Try to remember Poison vs Naomi.

1. You are aggressive, you used a tone you should not use
2. prooving you wrong is not my purpose to live.
3. You proved nothing, your post i didn't answer at is word salad.

Cyan: town searches for answers, if you want to 'find' a narrative you may find it even in the towniest posts. If you are town you fool yourself.

Orange: people should use brain if town, if not town, they may proceed to any push they want. The fact i reffuse to go into a long explanation with you doesn't mean i donn't have a base, your conclusion shows that you are too fast in misjudging or ill intended.

Yellow: you want to proove me by this you are villager? Poisom vs Naomi was V/V, i know i am villager, so i have to assume you are one from this sentence? This won't happen.

Michelle, calling me aggressive because of stating facts as it is would be very wrong. If we go your way, you posting "Bla bla bla bla" or "You'll know if you read the thread" would be equally rude as well, but I have had no intention of mentioning that cause it's basically pointless and wouldn't help the game in anyway, instead I have tried to understand or decipher the reason behind such responses from you, that's first.

Clearly, proving me wrong is not the purpose of your life, but by proving me wrong would prove you right and if you are indeed town, it must be the purpose of your townself not to confuse other towns or stop a possible mislynch. So your cooperation is very much needed.

I might have proved nothing if you had given arguments against it. You didn't, and that's how my argument being not answered can be considered as proved. I really don't know what the word salad means, but no matter which term you use it does not rule out the fact that you have not put forward any solid evidence in favor of your own statement.

Because, I am town I'm trying to find exactly what it is, and you "find" stuff by the QnA process, your uncooperative nature is not really helping me or you or the thread in any way.

Exactly, the fact that you are not using your brain or logic for this game kinda concerns me, cause none of your reads or the general approach towards the game come from a logical mindset, that is one of the main reasons why I'm even in this argument with you. You are more naive and casual and I-don't-care-what-you-see-me-as-attitude so far seems very alarming. I have no idea from why you are even trying this or what you are trying exactly cause, you know and I know and whoever reading this carefully would know exactly why this push is even going on, besides, "too fast to misjudge" I have more than enough points against you by the end of Day 1 that I can actually write paragraphs and continue the argument.

[Poison]

Yellow: you want to proove me by this you are villager? Poisom vs Naomi was V/V, i know i am villager, so i have to assume you are one from this sentence? This won't happen.

Neither do I want to prove you town nor myself, although if I can prove you town that would be very good for the game cause we can have less confusion and a compact and better PoE, for the latter, I'm confident enough that I don't need to prove my towniness from a mere tunneling-argument from past, I think my actions would be sufficient.

The reason, I mentioned it is because, I want you to remember that I can argue as much as that or maybe even more when I know what I'm talking about and I know that the other person is not. I'm a very accepting player, you prove me wrong, I would instantly accept that, but you can't I'd end up in an argument.

So, if you are indeed town, your approach is not helping anyone.

I'll end this argument here for now, would like to look at others cause if I'm indeed tunneling you, no matter who's sparking the fire, it's gonna affect town in the end.

[Hally]

poison may as well be an IC this game

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

That’s what I’ve been trying to tell you guys!

[tedxtr]

Wow you guys actually went for Triple Haven

[tedxtr]

Did Wilgy become like obvilla or something while I was gone?

[tedxtr]

Lol I just read the Wilgy ISO

Gave me a chickle

[tedxtr]

Ok plan is to become a try hard and ISO everyone in the game and I don’t care if I’m wrong

I need to grow up and accept that I’m washed up and better at turbos and mashes lol

[Michelle]

Poison i will not read your walls, i only saw you see as rude i said 'blah blah blah' please excuse me, was not intended.
What i meant is that you posted too many words instead talking with me normally and i don't appreciate this.
I will try to not post such things on the future, if you can give me a tl;dr for your wallies that would be nice

[Michelle]

poison may as well be an IC this game

No

[tedxtr]

ted, ash, long con team actually

book it

accepting high fives

I can’t reach you but imagine a pre-emptive pat on the back

[tedxtr]

G-Man writes long things for these, and if Trip were town then he could just like copy paste the one he'd probably sketched up for me, so this taking forever means Trip wolf

this was a good poast regardless of your alignment ser

[tedxtr]

too many people with huge post counts rip

this game would be easier if we all cut down on the number of our posts

I wanna iso people and then I see "300 posts"

[tedxtr]

Spoiler: show

villas

Poison
112
Nanook

weaker villas

Michelle
TSP
LC

not reading lol

Hally
tutuu


PoE

dunya
Wilgy
Arete
Vulgard
Ash Lael

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the people in "not reading lol" are not placed in PoE because I believe they're self resolving ; gun to head I'd say tutuu is probably townier than hally and if there would have to be a scum there, it's probably Hally (again, not saying there HAS TO BE ONE, just that, without reading their ISOs and going off what I've skimmed and feels and stuff, Hally looks worse than tutuu. They are in "not reading" because they have too many poasts and technically, they aren't scum reads or town reads of mine, they are more like...they get self-resolved. simple as that. Hally!scum top posting signs herself to a death wish late game. She'd have to answer a shitty question to fight against "why is Hally alive?" etc etc)

villas bracket

Nanook - actually haven't read his posts in isolation, I went with my gut feel of what I've skimmed and he doesn't really look like he's posting with an agenda to me. figures shit out, wants to yeet low posters whereas scum wouldn't be leading yeets there imo. level 1 stuff that I'm fine having him town for.

Poison - self-explanatory, everybody has the read.

112 - feel like she's stark different from her wolf play. Don't think she starts early game with reads, she keeps solving, has heaps between one liners and more depth of thought things. Liking pretty much ~all of her takes and comments. I'd be surprised if I'm being fooled here. It'd have to be a major improvement.

weaker villas

Michelle - liked her snark early on, liking the Poison push, her dunya case is good, think I can see some residue of her previous town meta in the way she's approaching her pushes.

TSP - Yeah so thinking about it, my case wasn't that good (which I've mentioned!) and they had a reasonable explanation for each and every loop hole. The way they've reacted to people poking holes in his reads and actions was prettay villager-y, the post I've quoted was pretty good. I'll just assume he's a town for now.

LC - I believe this is probably a stellar performance for him if he's a wolf. He's doing all the right things. Correcting people on their pushes on him (Hally calling him town for not being scum, he replied with "I'd copy my meta perfectly"), calling people out for town leaning him. I believe I can see some reasoning behind some of his pushes but he doesn't look like he wants to get any credit out of it. I believe if he's a wolf, he's posting primarily with the agenda of being town read and nothing else, and still, he'd be correcting a few holes in his scum play but allowing others to make him susceptible to scum reads, so that doesn't make a ton of sense in my head if he's a wolf looking to act exactly against his usual scum meta and more like his town meta ; I believe he'd leave some of his specific town tells out of this and he'd get greedy, copying it tell for tell is kind of a gambit, I think, and perhaps a bit too much even for LC. Could be wrong, that's why he's in weak villa.

PoE - not scum reads, just people that didn't make it in the villa / weak villa pile

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that's prettay much it

[tedxtr]

Wilgy's catchup I believe was pretty similar to that time in Pyre and I'm impressed you went for Triple Haven over him. The mindset is still pretty much the same, doesn't care about why top wagons are top wagons, he looked frozen while conversation was going and he'd reply to useless poasts / joke poasts until he realised he's not in danger anymore and then left.

dunya's way of reading the game makes it hard for me to realise whether she's a villager or not, her poasts were better live but skimming her ISO it doesn't feel as townie anymore. I can't tell how she's reading the thread or what info she's making reads based on which makes it hard for me to villa read her. Also doesn't really seem to stick to any read or explore it further which makes me feel like the reads are fake. Tons of posts that I didn't like ("I made 112 squirm, taking credit for that" and others which don't look pretty genuine and prettay performative)

Ash already talked about.

Vulgard appeared like he didn't care for the second part of the day which is why I took him off town leans. A wolf in his position would be very much pleased with the game state and it didn't look like scum were in much danger. Why attend second part of the day when towns are being wagonned and you are in no danger.

Arete...I mean, I can ~see her being town, but I don't believe she's passed any reasonable bar for villagery-ness. Her reads are basically poking at Vulgard with a ten foot pole (that takes one page of her ISO) and the TSP scum read that turned into a town read by the end based on one post.

[Vulgard]

[mention]tutuu[/mention] If I'm in a final 3 with Arete and anyone else, I snapvote the person who isn't Arete and say GG.

[mention]Hally[/mention] I had a wacky dream last night. For some reason, we were playing Among Us and I was Impostor with you. And we swept the game. And I was very happy about it.
It makes me hope you're town.

I don't think Hally's EoD was very good, though, but maybe it's because I'm biased against TSP. It felt like Hally was trying to make sure that mafia was not getting killed. I really hate the push on TripleHaven, and TH's flip did not surprise me whatsoever.

Disclaimer: EoD was in the middle of the night for me, so I couldn't attend. Please don't take me to LyLo, or I'm going to cry, because I won't have as much time to make a decision as the other players there.

Catching up took me a while, and I have classes today all day long, so don't expect me to post much. I'm updated regarding the current events, though.

I didn't really like 112's EoD, although if TSP is town, she looks better for defending him when she didn't have to.

TSP's post everybody mentioned is indeed towny, but I don't think it's clearing. It makes me want to go elsewhere tomorrow, though.

I think Michelle vs Poison is TvT.

I am running out of scumreads.

Is there a way to check vote history on this site? I'd like to see how exactly the wagons moved.

[Vulgard]

too many people with huge post counts rip

this game would be easier if we all cut down on the number of our posts

I wanna iso people and then I see "300 posts"

It's actually an initiative we needed to push on our home site. We had games regularly crossing the line of 10k when they were finished and doing ISOs became nigh-impossible.

[Vulgard]

[mention]tedxtr[/mention] Again, disclaimer - I'm European. EoD is around 4 AM for me. I am never going to be around for EoD this game, and it's not alignment indicative.

[tedxtr]

That's fair, I can't make it either. My main concern was that on other day phases you got closer to EoD posting and this time you didn't push it.

I don't scum read you, fwiw.

[Vulgard]

I feel worse about dunya, I don't think her posts at end of day were super towny. Sorry about your sickness, though. I hope you'll be steadily improving health-wise.

[Vulgard]

Wilgy might be mafia, honestly, based on what ted said. I basically agree with ted's assessment there. I'm still baffled you went for TripleHaven. I'd like to see the wagon formation there.

LC pushing against TH makes me feel better about him, even if TSP is also town (although in that case, the feeling is only "slightly better.").

[tedxtr]

I'll be more clear where I'm at then

wolves

dunya
ash
wilgy

PoE

arete
vulgard

[Vulgard]

I don't know, I think the 112 clears are... strange. I read one of her scumgames and I don't think her play today was that far removed from it...

I think there's a very notable difference for Poison, which, in addition to what she has done this game so far, lock clears her for me.

Is conversion possible here or no?

[Vulgard]

I love the ability to talk here during the night, I think it's fantastic and I haven't experienced it before. It's townsided, though.

[tedxtr]

I don't know, I think the 112 clears are... strange. I read one of her scumgames and I don't think her play today was that far removed from it...

I think there's a very notable difference for Poison, which, in addition to what she has done this game so far, lock clears her for me.

Is conversion possible here or no?

I am pretty sure it's not lol

[Vulgard]

I'll be more clear where I'm at then

wolves

dunya
ash
wilgy

PoE

arete
vulgard

We're either both mafia or neither of us is mafia, given our reads on each other. (Arete/Vulgard)
If you'd like to see how we work as mafia with Arete, I can link you a game. We haven't randed mafia together for a year, though, so the meta things might be somewhat outdated.

[tedxtr]

I don't know, I think the 112 clears are... strange. I read one of her scumgames and I don't think her play today was that far removed from it...

what game did you read?

[Vulgard]

Somebody linked a 112 scumgame in this thread, I no longer remember.

I can go digging through my browser history to find it if you'd like.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Talking at night isn’t as townsided as you’d think

[Vulgard]

Maybe it just feels townsided to me. It's similar to having logs that show up when you die, and how that is townsided...?

[Vulgard]

Sell me on Ash, please. I think the way he hopped onto TSP and pushed him, and maintained the push against the TH wagon (who flipped town) was very towny.

[tedxtr]

Yeah you’re right, I didn’t read his EoD, looks better

I’ll maybe case dunya and wilgy later

[tedxtr]

Postgame cred

dunya
Wilgy
Hally

[Vulgard]

Why am I you?
Ted is locktown never reevaluate.

[tedxtr]

syndicate mash when

hmmmmm

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

We did that it was called upick two

[tutuu]

Sweet dreams are made of these who am i to disagree (kahoot melody in the background)

[tedxtr]

We did that it was called upick two

Nah needs to be 12/12 with itas and events :P

[tutuu]

Ive never seen poison chan arguing with someone dunno what happened betwith her and michelle

[tutuu]

I said with but then wanted to say between it ended up betwith

[Vulgard]

Is it bad that I suspect Hally because they were the equivalent of mafia in the dream I had, even though we were on the same team in that dream?
This is stupid, I should stop. The in-game reason is because of their EoD, since I found it suspicious how they were gunning for TripleHaven, the slanker with 2 posts who understandably flipped VT.

[dunya]

I'll be more clear where I'm at then

wolves

dunya
ash
wilgy

PoE

arete
vulgard

Screw this list tbh

[dunya]

For my replacement: pls yeet ted ok thx bai