Escape From Russia [GAME OVER]

[TonyStarkPrime]

votes itt are not reflecting the poll so there is that

TonyStarkPrime 4 Voters: Vulgard, tedxtr, Ash Lael, Arete

that was the last TSP wagon i saw, and is hard to think 3Hs lynch would have just 2 votes

I'd like to point out that this is a very towny wagon formation from my perspective.

huh this from michelle is /interesting/ for a reason that is /interesting/

[TonyStarkPrime]

If so, then this is the scummiest CFD off TSP I have ever seen in my life.

Naw this is pretty normal for syndicate

.. is it?

[Epignosis]

Oh yes I remember listening to the songs a long time ago and was rather surprised, very good songs :P

yea epi has some real talent

hey epi, i just remembered you were gonna do an acoustic set over discord at one point? are you still planning on that?

Thank you for the kind words. I ended up invited to a party, so I couldn't do it. I did an acoustic set earlier this year and then an electric one. I'll maybe do that second acoustic set after this Walrus thing has concluded.

awesome, looking forward to it if you decide to do it

how much of the game have you read btw? did you just jump straight in and start interacting or did you back read at all?

I've read nothing from before my birth here except a handful of things I skimmed and Michelle's links.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

If so, then this is the scummiest CFD off TSP I have ever seen in my life.

Naw this is pretty normal for syndicate

.. is it?

Voting without vote tags is, yeah

[Hally]

if wilgy is town im truly at a loss for locating three mafia

[TonyStarkPrime]

If so, then this is the scummiest CFD off TSP I have ever seen in my life.

Naw this is pretty normal for syndicate

.. is it?

Voting without vote tags is, yeah

oh I thought we were referring to anything else

[TonyStarkPrime]

I do not know where the vote tags are :P

[Epignosis]

if wilgy is town im truly at a loss for locating three mafia

One more question and then I'll leave you alone.

What is your take on everybody so far? In your 599 posts I'm sure you have a list somewhere, so a link to that would be fine.

[Hally]

I do not know where the vote tags are :P

full editor

there’s a button that says vote

[TonyStarkPrime]

TSP was scummy to me, or at the very least, less towny than most other people in the game. Other people (who I townread) brought a few compelling arguments to the table. I didn't believe that TSP had any idea how to defend himself, which is not what I would expect from a townie placed in the position he was in.

That's three sentences or fewer, right?

It's rather what I would expect from Tony, I would say.

/well/

[Hally]

if wilgy is town im truly at a loss for locating three mafia

One more question and then I'll leave you alone.

What is your take on everybody so far? In your 599 posts I'm sure you have a list somewhere, so a link to that would be fine.

so i have nook/tutuu/poison/arete/vul as my town (or at least “not mafia”) core. outside of that i don’t really know. there’s many people i can see as town and pretty much nobody except wilgy that stands out as “clearly not town.” and even wilgy is more a shrug than anything. if you want like my detailed takes on everyone, i don’t have a list that has explanations but takes on everyone are scattered throughout my iso

do you have a specific player or players you want to ask about?

[TonyStarkPrime]

I particularly remember Hally supporting this, which is why I'm singling them out, but they weren't the only one on the wagon.
I could re-read EoD, but I don't actually have a way to check who was REALLY voting TH at EoD, do I?

raises hand

I switched to TH (and announced it in thread, although maybe not with the right words) because people who've played with TSP kept telling me that was just how TSP plays as town

Counterpoint to people who've played with TSP.
I watched TSP play in champs and I don't think this is how he plays as town.
Maybe I'm just silly.

Have you expanded on this?

[Hally]

[mention]DrWilgy[/mention] is there any way at all i could move you to do... anything? because otherwise you’re just going to be eliminated, which will be very sad if you’re town and could have prevented it by posting

[Hally]

what if it’s just like wilgy/tony/+1 and then arete as 3P. that feels like it’s at least approaching a correct answer?

[TonyStarkPrime]

why was th yeeted is a funny question and the question probably should be why was th yeeted /over wilgy/

[TonyStarkPrime]

or /over 112/ or /over whoever else could have been a counterwagon/.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Like who stopped other counterwagons from forming and why

[Hally]

why was th yeeted is a funny question and the question probably should be why was th yeeted /over wilgy/

well i was like “i thought mac said wilgy doesn’t slank as scum” and you were like “that’s true” so i unvoted him

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

if wilgy is town im truly at a loss for locating three mafia

One more question and then I'll leave you alone.

What is your take on everybody so far? In your 599 posts I'm sure you have a list somewhere, so a link to that would be fine.

so i have nook/tutuu/poison/arete/vul as my town (or at least “not mafia”) core. outside of that i don’t really know. there’s many people i can see as town and pretty much nobody except wilgy that stands out as “clearly not town.” and even wilgy is more a shrug than anything. if you want like my detailed takes on everyone, i don’t have a list that has explanations but takes on everyone are scattered throughout my iso

do you have a specific player or players you want to ask about?

How is wilgy a shrug but also if he flips town you don’t know what you’re doing

How is that compatible

[Hally]

Like who stopped other counterwagons from forming and why

i don’t think anyone really stopped it? there was just a lack of agreement/coalescing around anyone but you really

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Wilgy posts when he has time to Im pretty sure, he’s also a doctor so pretty busy IRL

[Hally]

if wilgy is town im truly at a loss for locating three mafia

One more question and then I'll leave you alone.

What is your take on everybody so far? In your 599 posts I'm sure you have a list somewhere, so a link to that would be fine.

so i have nook/tutuu/poison/arete/vul as my town (or at least “not mafia”) core. outside of that i don’t really know. there’s many people i can see as town and pretty much nobody except wilgy that stands out as “clearly not town.” and even wilgy is more a shrug than anything. if you want like my detailed takes on everyone, i don’t have a list that has explanations but takes on everyone are scattered throughout my iso

do you have a specific player or players you want to ask about?

How is wilgy a shrug but also if he flips town you don’t know what you’re doing

How is that compatible

what is incompatible about that? i don’t know where three mafia are in this game if wilgy is town but at the same time i do feel like killing wilgy is basically a shrug. im still gonna do it, but it doesn’t particularly inspire me

[Hally]

Hmm...

Hello.

I'm a doctor.

Provide memes.

town

Scum

im probably reading too much into it but this interaction pinged me as possibly w/w. why is wilgy calling tony scum for saying he’s town? was this a serious read and if so wheres the follow up/why does wilgy seem happy to just vote where tony tells him the rest of the phase. idk maybe wilgy wouldn’t actually be like “tony tell me where to vote” if they’re teamed though

[Hally]

can someone scum case like literally anyone? i’ll sheep the best case

[Hally]

town:
nook
tutuu
poison

joy tier:
vul
arete

town lean:
112
ash
ted
michelle

poe:
lc
tony
dunya/epi
wilgy

heres a list. arete and vul get their own tier again because im positive there’s at least one villager between them and im leaving it to them to resolve each other however they’re gonna do that

dropped lc down into the poe because he’s not actually that towny

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Meh

[Hally]

lc can like pretty easily be mafia here and we should probably collectively stop having the lowest bar for him imaginable to be clear because he’s smart enough to not play exactly the same way as he did last game and honestly still doesn’t really read like town!lc to me when i look at his posts more closely

[Hally]

lc this game still feels more agenda’d than his town games just in how he’s constantly jumping from one push to the next. i don’t think he’s actually like that as town. as town he’s more chill and kind of like takes in information and seems to be pondering it and stuff. here i feel like he has all these pushes just to have them idk

[TonyStarkPrime]

kinda feelin hally wilgy ngl

[Hally]

yea, i think lc is probably mafia again. reasonably confident in this but like, i understand if people want to kill wilgy first

[Hally]

kinda feelin hally wilgy ngl

how hard is it to just not tinfoil me and let mafia nk me at night. like just stop trying to read me. you guys are killing me

[Hally]

locking me as town so i eat the nk and self resolve is quick, easy and free

[Epignosis]

locking me as town so i eat the nk and self resolve is quick, easy and free

Just like my wife.

[Hally]

i cannot find anything in lc’s iso that i would classify as real solving. can everyone iso lc and tell me if im wrong?

[Hally]

like seriously... any post at all that looks towny. im reading this iso backwards and forwards and i cannot understand why lc is being given a universal pass here. his slanking as town isn’t like this

[112]

like seriously... any post at all that looks towny. im reading this iso backwards and forwards and i cannot understand why lc is being given a universal pass here. his slanking as town isn’t like this

I voted LC.

[Hally]

[mention]Long Con[/mention] id like a full reads list from you with perhaps one line of reasoning for each read at your earliest convenience. thanks

[Hally]

like seriously... any post at all that looks towny. im reading this iso backwards and forwards and i cannot understand why lc is being given a universal pass here. his slanking as town isn’t like this

I voted LC.

you did good

[112]

like seriously... any post at all that looks towny. im reading this iso backwards and forwards and i cannot understand why lc is being given a universal pass here. his slanking as town isn’t like this

I voted LC.

you did good

[tutuu]

catch you all in the morning

wilgy / epi / arete / + 1

idk how many mafia there are but yeeting in there feels more than fine in this game state

glgl

3 mafia or 3 mafia + 1 3p

[Hally]

actually considering pushing lc over wilgy next day, which is... not where i was like 30 min ago

[Epignosis]

actually considering pushing lc over wilgy next day, which is... not where i was like 30 min ago

I would vote Long Con, yes.

[Hally]

actually considering pushing lc over wilgy next day, which is... not where i was like 30 min ago

I would vote Long Con, yes.

did you iso him? i know you have more experience with him than me so im curious about your read there

[Epignosis]

actually considering pushing lc over wilgy next day, which is... not where i was like 30 min ago

I would vote Long Con, yes.

did you iso him? i know you have more experience with him than me so im curious about your read there

This is one I skimmed. I saw he said he would vote for me, so I took a peek.

Getting rid of low posters is good town play

I’m here to preach not to argue

Not good Day 1 play.

i agree, so why were you voting for me?

I liked Michelle's case.

I'd be interested to know what Long Con liked about Michelle's "case." It amounted to circular reasoning and "too many wolves."

[TonyStarkPrime]

everything I don't like is sophistry: a guide for playing mafia

[Epignosis]

To be clear, I am more willing to believe that Michelle believed what Michelle said than I would Long Con believing what Michelle said.

[Ash Lael]

Okay, I’ve taken some time out to clear my head and try to get a fresh view of the game. Some things that have been bubbling away in my brain overnight:

Hally: didn’t really like their EoD, don’t really like their inability to find any scumreads and focus instead on LHF. Felt like there could have been a hidden agenda to engineer a mislynch or protect a teammate without getting their hands dirty. She’s saying “oh I didn’t know what to do and I just wanted to cop out and not take responsibility” - but it actually felt to me like she had a reasonable amount of thread control and helped bring the TH lynch home. It speaks to me more of someone who had a deliberate goal than someone who was lost. I’m not saying that’s necessarily what happened - even if Tony flips red Hally could easily just be town - but this is the first time this game I’ve had a reason other than tinfoil to look askance at Hally.

Vulgard/Arete - I’m entertaining a weird theory where they are are w/w. I feel like if this was the world, their approach would match what we’ve seen. They’re in a new environment and don’t know how much respect their respective reads on each other will be given, don’t know if they’ll get townread enough as a pair to powerwolf the game or what, so they start out scumreading each other in case one has to go down to give the other cred. And then after seeing that their thread position is pretty good, they flip their reads around and become considered mutually cleared. I don’t think this is actually the world - in fact it’s highly unlikely - but it’s a thought that’s bouncing around in my head.

Long Con - his last minute vote on Tony makes me hmmm a bit. I can’t help wondering if this could be a tony partner hanging off until the last second to see what was going to happen. As it was he could vote there and try to look disassociated, but if the vote had been closer he could have thrown down a vote on trip with a “Don’t let it tie” justification. Again, I’m not trying to say this is definitely the world, just a thought I’m entertaining.

Tony - Obviously I pushed this slot hard and I don’t regret that. I was and am convinced Tony is a hit. Even if I was wrong, I was trying to be right and that’s better than some other people in this game, so it was right for me to hard push my view. I understand what Hally was saying to me about my tendency to tunnel, but I also think an actual suspicious player should always have been the lynch over a potato. All that said, I’m actively going to try to untunnel and give myself a chance to find town Tony this phase if he’s out there. And if not, at least make sure I get a broader view of the game and that I’m not just focused on one slot.

Tutuu - Arete said something about lolcatting with words, and I feel that matches my perception too. Other people say that they’ve never seen her scum and it would be a hard style to replicate but I don’t see why. There’s very little attempt to project any sort of consistency, you can literally just say or do anything and that would be IMO a very easy, freeing way to wolf. I do not think she should be removed from PoE.

Michelle - her little spat with poison is, I think, not based on good logic. It seems like plain OMGUS to me. But that’s not unusual from Michelle as either alignment. I am starting to see a bit more town energy from her in pushing that tunnel if I squint a bit? But I still don’t think she’s obvious town and I think town Michelle should be obvious. Still scumreading, though less confidently.

Nanook - His hard defence of me surprised me yesterday and made me reassess. I couldn’t see a wolf doing that. I’ve tried to come up with worlds where he does and they all feel weird and forced. So yeah. I think I really do need to townread this slot despite my instincts. Sorry Nook.

Dunya - you’re probably not reading this, but if you are I hope you feel better. Welcome to the game Epi.

[Ash Lael]

actually considering pushing lc over wilgy next day, which is... not where i was like 30 min ago

I would vote Long Con, yes.

did you iso him? i know you have more experience with him than me so im curious about your read there

This is one I skimmed. I saw he said he would vote for me, so I took a peek.

Getting rid of low posters is good town play

I’m here to preach not to argue

Not good Day 1 play.

i agree, so why were you voting for me?

I liked Michelle's case.

I'd be interested to know what Long Con liked about Michelle's "case." It amounted to circular reasoning and "too many wolves."

Yeah I would also like an answer here.

Also: this is going back a bit but I don’t think we ever got a proper answer from 112 about why the different reactions to me vs Hally on our shared snap townread on 112.

[TonyStarkPrime]

kant made me so sleepy that I blinked half way through Aretha Now and when I opened my eyes I was half way through Just As I Am

[112]

Okay, I’ve taken some time out to clear my head and try to get a fresh view of the game. Some things that have been bubbling away in my brain overnight:

Hally: didn’t really like their EoD, don’t really like their inability to find any scumreads and focus instead on LHF. Felt like there could have been a hidden agenda to engineer a mislynch or protect a teammate without getting their hands dirty. She’s saying “oh I didn’t know what to do and I just wanted to cop out and not take responsibility” - but it actually felt to me like she had a reasonable amount of thread control and helped bring the TH lynch home. It speaks to me more of someone who had a deliberate goal than someone who was lost. I’m not saying that’s necessarily what happened - even if Tony flips red Hally could easily just be town - but this is the first time this game I’ve had a reason other than tinfoil to look askance at Hally.

Vulgard/Arete - I’m entertaining a weird theory where they are are w/w. I feel like if this was the world, their approach would match what we’ve seen. They’re in a new environment and don’t know how much respect their respective reads on each other will be given, don’t know if they’ll get townread enough as a pair to powerwolf the game or what, so they start out scumreading each other in case one has to go down to give the other cred. And then after seeing that their thread position is pretty good, they flip their reads around and become considered mutually cleared. I don’t think this is actually the world - in fact it’s highly unlikely - but it’s a thought that’s bouncing around in my head.

Long Con - his last minute vote on Tony makes me hmmm a bit. I can’t help wondering if this could be a tony partner hanging off until the last second to see what was going to happen. As it was he could vote there and try to look disassociated, but if the vote had been closer he could have thrown down a vote on trip with a “Don’t let it tie” justification. Again, I’m not trying to say this is definitely the world, just a thought I’m entertaining.

Tony - Obviously I pushed this slot hard and I don’t regret that. I was and am convinced Tony is a hit. Even if I was wrong, I was trying to be right and that’s better than some other people in this game, so it was right for me to hard push my view. I understand what Hally was saying to me about my tendency to tunnel, but I also think an actual suspicious player should always have been the lynch over a potato. All that said, I’m actively going to try to untunnel and give myself a chance to find town Tony this phase if he’s out there. And if not, at least make sure I get a broader view of the game and that I’m not just focused on one slot.

Tutuu - Arete said something about lolcatting with words, and I feel that matches my perception too. Other people say that they’ve never seen her scum and it would be a hard style to replicate but I don’t see why. There’s very little attempt to project any sort of consistency, you can literally just say or do anything and that would be IMO a very easy, freeing way to wolf. I do not think she should be removed from PoE.

Michelle - her little spat with poison is, I think, not based on good logic. It seems like plain OMGUS to me. But that’s not unusual from Michelle as either alignment. I am starting to see a bit more town energy from her in pushing that tunnel if I squint a bit? But I still don’t think she’s obvious town and I think town Michelle should be obvious. Still scumreading, though less confidently.

Nanook - His hard defence of me surprised me yesterday and made me reassess. I couldn’t see a wolf doing that. I’ve tried to come up with worlds where he does and they all feel weird and forced. So yeah. I think I really do need to townread this slot despite my instincts. Sorry Nook.

Dunya - you’re probably not reading this, but if you are I hope you feel better. Welcome to the game Epi.

You're town, aren't you?