Grasslands [Game Thread]

[nutella]

well i hope for like 7 new pages when i wake up! im, like, a social vampire dude, i need yall to post to recharge me with energy. come here and let me suck ur vitality

im going back to bed

[nutella]

[Long Con]

Um, for the record, I know what groovy means. I was making fun of Sloonei using the word.

[staypositivefriend]

anyone else gay

[Sloonei]

Um, for the record, I know what groovy means. I was making fun of Sloonei using the word.

Don’t be a square.

Do you have reads or thoughts or anything yet?

[Alison]

Martin has already pocketed me.

tutuu is physically incapable of randing scum as usual.

Sloonei is scum for making stuff up.

[Alison]

I want to gut scumread Carotte for saying hi and dipping. Hard to verbalize this one but I feel she'd be slightly more engaged with the AI stuff (reads flying around etc.) as town.

[Long Con]

Um, for the record, I know what groovy means. I was making fun of Sloonei using the word.

Don’t be a square.

Do you have reads or thoughts or anything yet?

Nope.

[staypositivefriend]

Martin has already pocketed me.

tutuu is physically incapable of randing scum as usual.

Sloonei is scum for making stuff up.

why do u tr tutuu?

[Hally]

catch up, page 1. sorry for walls, im not posting as i go because i wanna save my posts for real timing

I have a very good track record in games where we vote to give someone a gun. Which this basically is. So vote to give me a gun.

End pitch and posting.

this is probably town!nook lol

a thought i had about this setup while brainstorming is that the "the person who has the least votes gets sent to the grasslands" rule basically functions as a doc save - we can ensure that our strongest townread gets sent to the endgame if we take advantage of the mechanics to save them every night (and we can also use them as a means to submit the execution kill that we want - this was discussed as an idea in the pre-game but it's worth bringing up again)

yea, this is exactly how the setup should be played

a thought i had about this setup while brainstorming is that the "the person who has the least votes gets sent to the grasslands" rule basically functions as a doc save - we can ensure that our strongest townread gets sent to the endgame if we take advantage of the mechanics to save them every night (and we can also use them as a means to submit the execution kill that we want - this was discussed as an idea in the pre-game but it's worth bringing up again)

While I did read about that pre-game strategy post, and this, I can't help but feel a bit skeptical of things related to this plan.

Let me say this first though: I do agree with the idea so far in terms of a "best bet".

However, the only failing of that plan is that it relies on not having scum manipulate the execution to be onto a townie, or be the one who's selected to carry out the execution.

Additionally, there may be a divide as to who is the "towniest" or should be least-voted.

Although, I think I feel safer with this plan rather than the imaginable alternatives right now.

I think trying to think of the votes as anything else at the moment may make things a bit too unpredictable for town to (collectively) handle, hence why I agree with it the most at the moment. Though I suppose that may be a thought to consider later if we've repeatedly failed to catch a single scum since at that point the game would be proof that the plan hasn't worked. In which case, trying to shake things up may put things out of scum's control.

towny post

everyone else think for me


should i just vote everyone except nanook so he gets the gun like he said

no

i already have one townread. anyone wanna guess who it is?

definitely not me probably sloonei

why did you think it would be sloonei?

sloonei sus hour has begun

go on...

spf townreads martin confirmed

why did you think this?

can you articulate your sloonei townread that you had off of his first post nutella? (its ok if u cant, i cant articulate mine)

i didnt say i townread him i said spf did

but doesn’t you guessing that it was sloonei imply that you tr sloonei or at least that you think it’s plausible spf does based on what he posted?

tutuu town
spf prob town
martin and nanook light townleans
sloonei, hally, thunal have done nothing ai, all of their posts so far can easily be in their scumranges imo

it’s kinda weird that you felt the need to say i was still in my scum range after one post? like idk, isn’t it self evident that me and even sloonei and thun would still be in our scum ranges? or like... idk. is this dumb

can you articulate your sloonei townread that you had off of his first post nutella? (its ok if u cant, i cant articulate mine)

i didnt say i townread him i said spf did

nutella town

...how

[nutella]

hally is mafia

[nutella]

you're welcome, next

[nutella]

n1 me cowards

[nutella]

hally/sloonei actually always contains at least 1 wolf here

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

hally/sloonei actually always contains at least 1 wolf here

Both lock town now

[nutella]

this isn't spec chat nookie, i can actually nail wolves on d1, see philo, amdibals, etc

[staypositivefriend]

hally/sloonei actually always contains at least 1 wolf here

why?

(i'm trying not to post every single thought/question i had because i want to conserve my post count, but it's really hard not to)

@hally - what were the main takeaways that you got through your catch-up of the thread? who looks the towniest to u?

[Alison]

hally/sloonei actually always contains at least 1 wolf here

no

[Alison]

Martin has already pocketed me.

tutuu is physically incapable of randing scum as usual.

Sloonei is scum for making stuff up.

why do u tr tutuu?

There's the usual energy coming from her that she displays when she's town. She could be mimicking it as scum but I think it's not easy to forge and will fall apart eventually if she's faking it. I felt kinda good about #51, #53, #76, #93. Individually taken they're just mildly townie, but all four of them combined + pretty decent energy means that I'm happy to give her an early game townread.

[Dyslexicon]

[mention]tutuu[/mention]
[mention]Hally[/mention]
[mention]Long Con[/mention]
[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention]
[mention]Sloonei[/mention]
[mention]novaselinenever[/mention]
[mention]staypositivefriend[/mention]
[mention]Thunal33[/mention]
[mention]nutella[/mention]
[mention]MartinGG99[/mention]
[mention]Alison[/mention]
[mention]Carotenoid[/mention]


[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] will be replacing [mention]Scirrus[/mention]

Do not talk about subs in the thread. Thank you!

[staypositivefriend]

Martin has already pocketed me.

tutuu is physically incapable of randing scum as usual.

Sloonei is scum for making stuff up.

why do u tr tutuu?

There's the usual energy coming from her that she displays when she's town. She could be mimicking it as scum but I think it's not easy to forge and will fall apart eventually if she's faking it. I felt kinda good about #51, #53, #76, #93. Individually taken they're just mildly townie, but all four of them combined + pretty decent energy means that I'm happy to give her an early game townread.

i was wondering if you were going to bring up #93 - that's actually the strongest towntell i've seen from tutuu so far too. i feel like scum would be searching for viable targets to push on in a game with as many strong players as this, and i very much like that tutuu is willing to throw out a townread on someone for what is an admittedly tiny/small reason. it feels completely contrary to how scum have a tendency to avoid boxing themselves in - it feels like tutuu is literally doing that to her self

also, hey jagged! i'm stoked youre here

[Hally]

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can you articulate your sloonei townread that you had off of his first post nutella? (its ok if u cant, i cant articulate mine)

i didnt say i townread him i said spf did

nutella town

why do u tr nutella for that post?

She’s not letting her reads be influenced by the question. Her original statement re:sloonei was ambiguojs and she didn’t let it be construed as something that it wasn’t. That seems like a good strong nutella-town mindset.

i... um....

what

Who has played this setup before?

meeeeeee

growing up and changing urself is fun. i keep alternating beween scumread sux townread rox but now i have no townreads and wanna do a scummie

i wanna say i lightly scumread u sloonei boyo

(i was about to begin my next line with butter my biscuits but then i googled it and its actually something sexual WTF????? i have used it before in a completely innocent way, cuz that unit from starcraft 1 says it, the marine i think, wtf?)

ANYWAY.

SLOONEI.

do NOT butter my biscuits

but i wanna say i lightly scumread u cuz

can you articulate your sloonei townread that you had off of his first post nutella? (its ok if u cant, i cant articulate mine)

i didnt say i townread him i said spf did

nutella town

why do u tr nutella for that post?

She’s not letting her reads be influenced by the question. Her original statement re:sloonei was ambiguojs and she didn’t let it be construed as something that it wasn’t. That seems like a good strong nutella-town mindset.

i think this read is a stretch. nutella corrected my misunerstanding thats all. ur townreading her cuz ur assuming wolf!nutella would just go along with my misunderstanding? and she would now pretend she townreads sloonei when she originally didnt want to fake that, all cuz i misunderstood her? u wot mate?

tutuu is town

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hi dunya ily

nutella's response reminds me of the type of thing i will say when people misunderstand my (often deliberately) confusing words early in games.

nutella-or-sloonei says X.
Player asks nutella-or-sloonei about Y.
nutella-or-sloonei stresses Not Y, Only X.

I like it. It's a thing I do when I'm town. I see nutella do it and think town.

at tutuu

nutella's response reminds me of the type of thing i will say when people misunderstand my (often deliberately) confusing words early in games.

nutella-or-sloonei says X.
Player asks nutella-or-sloonei about Y.
nutella-or-sloonei stresses Not Y, Only X.

I like it. It's a thing I do when I'm town. I see nutella do it and think town.

at tutuu

I would also note that the "misunderstanding" is irrelevant: a hypothetical mafioso might be less sure of their position right there. Even if tutuu is misunderstanding their initial point, they might see the question and think they need to come up with an answer for it. Instead nutella just stuck to the initial point and didn't budge.

i actually did a double take at these posts. i’m like.... so confused by this read. like do you think scum!nut is like so bad that she would see tutuu assume a read she hadn’t actually given and go “gee wiz, ig i have to tr sloonei now since tutuu assumed i did.” like, is scum!nut incapable of correcting wrong assumptions? why is this towny? i really don’t get it

[Alison]

Martin has already pocketed me.

tutuu is physically incapable of randing scum as usual.

Sloonei is scum for making stuff up.

why do u tr tutuu?

There's the usual energy coming from her that she displays when she's town. She could be mimicking it as scum but I think it's not easy to forge and will fall apart eventually if she's faking it. I felt kinda good about #51, #53, #76, #93. Individually taken they're just mildly townie, but all four of them combined + pretty decent energy means that I'm happy to give her an early game townread.

i was wondering if you were going to bring up #93 - that's actually the strongest towntell i've seen from tutuu so far too. i feel like scum would be searching for viable targets to push on in a game with as many strong players as this, and i very much like that tutuu is willing to throw out a townread on someone for what is an admittedly tiny/small reason. it feels completely contrary to how scum have a tendency to avoid boxing themselves in - it feels like tutuu is literally doing that to her self

also, hey jagged! i'm stoked youre here

That's not the reason I townread 93. I don't really think tutuu is the type of player who takes playerlist that strongly into consideration when trying to plan out her scumplay; her playstyle doesn't strike me as being that competitive or control freak-y. I liked 93 because giving out a townread for a reason that doesn't super make sense logically but that she vibes with emotionally is something that town tutuu does a lot. I think LC's slang stuff has endeared him to tutuu, and gives off a pretty "chill" vibe that she's gut townreading. It's pretty on brand for town tutuu to express a gut townread + "I like this person so they're town" sentiment with a post like 93.

[Thunal33]

hally is mafia

hally/sloonei actually always contains at least 1 wolf here

Why? Hally's town and scum meta are pretty darn close to each other, what gives you scum vibes from Hally and Sloonei?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Hidy ho neighbors. I’ll be around in a bit.

[Hally]

page 3

Martin has already pocketed me.

tutuu is physically incapable of randing scum as usual.

Sloonei is scum for making stuff up.

I want to gut scumread Carotte for saying hi and dipping. Hard to verbalize this one but I feel she'd be slightly more engaged with the AI stuff (reads flying around etc.) as town.

alison is town

hally is mafia

nut is probably town but also wrong

hally/sloonei actually always contains at least 1 wolf here

this is probably true though

@tutuu
@Hally
@Long Con
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@Sloonei
@novaselinenever
@staypositivefriend
@Thunal33
@nutella
@MartinGG99
@Alison
@Carotenoid


@JaggedJimmyJay will be replacing @Scirrus

Do not talk about subs in the thread. Thank you!

hi jay! is sloonei wolfing?

[Hally]

page 3

Martin has already pocketed me.

tutuu is physically incapable of randing scum as usual.

Sloonei is scum for making stuff up.

I want to gut scumread Carotte for saying hi and dipping. Hard to verbalize this one but I feel she'd be slightly more engaged with the AI stuff (reads flying around etc.) as town.

alison is town

hally is mafia

nut is probably town but also wrong

hally/sloonei actually always contains at least 1 wolf here

this is probably true though

@tutuu
@Hally
@Long Con
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@Sloonei
@novaselinenever
@staypositivefriend
@Thunal33
@nutella
@MartinGG99
@Alison
@Carotenoid


@JaggedJimmyJay will be replacing @Scirrus

Do not talk about subs in the thread. Thank you!

hi jay! is sloonei wolfing?

[Hally]

town:
spf
tutuu
alison

town lean:
martin
nut
nook
thun maybe

scum:
sloonei

ama

[Alison]

town:
spf
tutuu
alison

town lean:
martin
nut
nook
thun maybe

scum:
sloonei

ama

Where is Carotte?

[Thunal33]

Groovy?

wait u rly dont know groovy? ur between gen X and millenials right. interesting u never heard of it. it means, like. swag

i wanna townread the L to the C cuz he seems very very preoccupied with expanding his slang vocabulary. i vibe with it (like i can empathize with posting itt whatever u want and not caring if ppl might not townread u when u rand town)

its a bit of a stretch logically thinking but i emotionally speaking it feesl good about making the read so here we go

I actually think this is >rand town since the two dimensional "logically I think this, but I feel this" comes more often from town.

Martin has already pocketed me.

tutuu is physically incapable of randing scum as usual.

Sloonei is scum for making stuff up.

Do you mean making up the "groovy" thing?

Martin has already pocketed me.

tutuu is physically incapable of randing scum as usual.

Sloonei is scum for making stuff up.

why do u tr tutuu?

There's the usual energy coming from her that she displays when she's town. She could be mimicking it as scum but I think it's not easy to forge and will fall apart eventually if she's faking it. I felt kinda good about #51, #53, #76, #93. Individually taken they're just mildly townie, but all four of them combined + pretty decent energy means that I'm happy to give her an early game townread.

I think Alison is towny from this solving. I've played with her before and as scum (well, SK) she was really only making reads that fit her agenda and not making the same logical sense that she did as town that I feel in this game.

[staypositivefriend]

Martin has already pocketed me.

tutuu is physically incapable of randing scum as usual.

Sloonei is scum for making stuff up.

why do u tr tutuu?

There's the usual energy coming from her that she displays when she's town. She could be mimicking it as scum but I think it's not easy to forge and will fall apart eventually if she's faking it. I felt kinda good about #51, #53, #76, #93. Individually taken they're just mildly townie, but all four of them combined + pretty decent energy means that I'm happy to give her an early game townread.

i was wondering if you were going to bring up #93 - that's actually the strongest towntell i've seen from tutuu so far too. i feel like scum would be searching for viable targets to push on in a game with as many strong players as this, and i very much like that tutuu is willing to throw out a townread on someone for what is an admittedly tiny/small reason. it feels completely contrary to how scum have a tendency to avoid boxing themselves in - it feels like tutuu is literally doing that to her self

also, hey jagged! i'm stoked youre here

That's not the reason I townread 93. I don't really think tutuu is the type of player who takes playerlist that strongly into consideration when trying to plan out her scumplay; her playstyle doesn't strike me as being that competitive or control freak-y. I liked 93 because giving out a townread for a reason that doesn't super make sense logically but that she vibes with emotionally is something that town tutuu does a lot. I think LC's slang stuff has endeared him to tutuu, and gives off a pretty "chill" vibe that she's gut townreading. It's pretty on brand for town tutuu to express a gut townread + "I like this person so they're town" sentiment with a post like 93.

tbh my thought process about that post was fairly different from yours, but i find your reasoning legitimate as well. i'm working from a very small framework of what i know about how tutuu plays mafia, but her townread on long con in that post gives me similar vibes to how she townread JPIC in radiohead mafia for something that was counter-intuitive but felt "right" to her in her gut

i actually did a double take at these posts. i’m like.... so confused by this read. like do you think scum!nut is like so bad that she would see tutuu assume a read she hadn’t actually given and go “gee wiz, ig i have to tr sloonei now since tutuu assumed i did.” like, is scum!nut incapable of correcting wrong assumptions? why is this towny? i really don’t get it

i had a similar gut reaction to sloonei's response to me - i think that he's townreading nutella for being firm in her point instead of over-explaining herself, but the wording lacks the clarity that sloonei's reads generally have

town:
spf
tutuu
alison

town lean:
martin
nut
nook
thun maybe

scum:
sloonei

ama

why do u think im town? and why do u have nutella as a town lean but me as town when u specifically brought attention to nutella being town in your catch-up but did not explicitly out a read on me? i'm curious about ur thought process

[Hally]

town:
spf
tutuu
alison

town lean:
martin
nut
nook
thun maybe

scum:
sloonei

ama

Where is Carotte?

not pictured because i don’t have a read there yet

[Alison]

No I think Sloonei made up the whole thing about getting a towntell from nutella because she clarified her position or whatever in order to look like he's sorting her.

Also townreading me for making logical sense is a new approach. I like it.

[Thunal33]

town:
spf
tutuu
alison

town lean:
martin
nut
nook
thun maybe

scum:
sloonei

ama

Reminder that my permascum curse is only on MU.

Also, I'm kind of intimidated by this playerlist lol. 4 champs finalists and players like Nutella and Alison who I've played with and know they're good?

[Hally]

Martin has already pocketed me.

tutuu is physically incapable of randing scum as usual.

Sloonei is scum for making stuff up.

why do u tr tutuu?

There's the usual energy coming from her that she displays when she's town. She could be mimicking it as scum but I think it's not easy to forge and will fall apart eventually if she's faking it. I felt kinda good about #51, #53, #76, #93. Individually taken they're just mildly townie, but all four of them combined + pretty decent energy means that I'm happy to give her an early game townread.

i was wondering if you were going to bring up #93 - that's actually the strongest towntell i've seen from tutuu so far too. i feel like scum would be searching for viable targets to push on in a game with as many strong players as this, and i very much like that tutuu is willing to throw out a townread on someone for what is an admittedly tiny/small reason. it feels completely contrary to how scum have a tendency to avoid boxing themselves in - it feels like tutuu is literally doing that to her self

also, hey jagged! i'm stoked youre here

That's not the reason I townread 93. I don't really think tutuu is the type of player who takes playerlist that strongly into consideration when trying to plan out her scumplay; her playstyle doesn't strike me as being that competitive or control freak-y. I liked 93 because giving out a townread for a reason that doesn't super make sense logically but that she vibes with emotionally is something that town tutuu does a lot. I think LC's slang stuff has endeared him to tutuu, and gives off a pretty "chill" vibe that she's gut townreading. It's pretty on brand for town tutuu to express a gut townread + "I like this person so they're town" sentiment with a post like 93.

tbh my thought process about that post was fairly different from yours, but i find your reasoning legitimate as well. i'm working from a very small framework of what i know about how tutuu plays mafia, but her townread on long con in that post gives me similar vibes to how she townread JPIC in radiohead mafia for something that was counter-intuitive but felt "right" to her in her gut

i actually did a double take at these posts. i’m like.... so confused by this read. like do you think scum!nut is like so bad that she would see tutuu assume a read she hadn’t actually given and go “gee wiz, ig i have to tr sloonei now since tutuu assumed i did.” like, is scum!nut incapable of correcting wrong assumptions? why is this towny? i really don’t get it

i had a similar gut reaction to sloonei's response to me - i think that he's townreading nutella for being firm in her point instead of over-explaining herself, but the wording lacks the clarity that sloonei's reads generally have

town:
spf
tutuu
alison

town lean:
martin
nut
nook
thun maybe

scum:
sloonei

ama

why do u think im town? and why do u have nutella as a town lean but me as town when u specifically brought attention to nutella being town in your catch-up but did not explicitly out a read on me? i'm curious about ur thought process

you’re town because you are um no really, i liked your reaction test thing and just generally am finding your presence to be town!you. idk how to explain it better than that

[nutella]

alright we can have our common ground on sloonei for today but if we're wrong there hally's next

i literally think they are a difference check and would be extremely surprised if they're both town here

but i'm being persuaded to feel it on sloonei more atm ig

[Hally]

town:
spf
tutuu
alison

town lean:
martin
nut
nook
thun maybe

scum:
sloonei

ama

Reminder that my permascum curse is only on MU.

Also, I'm kind of intimidated by this playerlist lol. 4 champs finalists and players like Nutella and Alison who I've played with and know they're good?

you fit right in thun, don’t you worry

[Hally]

alright we can have our common ground on sloonei for today but if we're wrong there hally's next

i literally think they are a difference check and would be extremely surprised if they're both town here

but i'm being persuaded to feel it on sloonei more atm ig

i honestly dont get how or why you could sr me rn

[Alison]

alright we can have our common ground on sloonei for today but if we're wrong there hally's next

i literally think they are a difference check and would be extremely surprised if they're both town here

but i'm being persuaded to feel it on sloonei more atm ig

I'm confused by this actually. I thought you felt there was a scum between Hally/Sloonei because you independently scumread both of them to the extent that you thought it was very unlikely that you were wrong about both. But this wording ("difference check") seems to imply that you believe that they can't be W/W. What's going on here?

[staypositivefriend]

Martin has already pocketed me.

tutuu is physically incapable of randing scum as usual.

Sloonei is scum for making stuff up.

why do u tr tutuu?

There's the usual energy coming from her that she displays when she's town. She could be mimicking it as scum but I think it's not easy to forge and will fall apart eventually if she's faking it. I felt kinda good about #51, #53, #76, #93. Individually taken they're just mildly townie, but all four of them combined + pretty decent energy means that I'm happy to give her an early game townread.

i was wondering if you were going to bring up #93 - that's actually the strongest towntell i've seen from tutuu so far too. i feel like scum would be searching for viable targets to push on in a game with as many strong players as this, and i very much like that tutuu is willing to throw out a townread on someone for what is an admittedly tiny/small reason. it feels completely contrary to how scum have a tendency to avoid boxing themselves in - it feels like tutuu is literally doing that to her self

also, hey jagged! i'm stoked youre here

That's not the reason I townread 93. I don't really think tutuu is the type of player who takes playerlist that strongly into consideration when trying to plan out her scumplay; her playstyle doesn't strike me as being that competitive or control freak-y. I liked 93 because giving out a townread for a reason that doesn't super make sense logically but that she vibes with emotionally is something that town tutuu does a lot. I think LC's slang stuff has endeared him to tutuu, and gives off a pretty "chill" vibe that she's gut townreading. It's pretty on brand for town tutuu to express a gut townread + "I like this person so they're town" sentiment with a post like 93.

tbh my thought process about that post was fairly different from yours, but i find your reasoning legitimate as well. i'm working from a very small framework of what i know about how tutuu plays mafia, but her townread on long con in that post gives me similar vibes to how she townread JPIC in radiohead mafia for something that was counter-intuitive but felt "right" to her in her gut

i actually did a double take at these posts. i’m like.... so confused by this read. like do you think scum!nut is like so bad that she would see tutuu assume a read she hadn’t actually given and go “gee wiz, ig i have to tr sloonei now since tutuu assumed i did.” like, is scum!nut incapable of correcting wrong assumptions? why is this towny? i really don’t get it

i had a similar gut reaction to sloonei's response to me - i think that he's townreading nutella for being firm in her point instead of over-explaining herself, but the wording lacks the clarity that sloonei's reads generally have

town:
spf
tutuu
alison

town lean:
martin
nut
nook
thun maybe

scum:
sloonei

ama

why do u think im town? and why do u have nutella as a town lean but me as town when u specifically brought attention to nutella being town in your catch-up but did not explicitly out a read on me? i'm curious about ur thought process

you’re town because you are um no really, i liked your reaction test thing and just generally am finding your presence to be town!you. idk how to explain it better than that

lol this makes sense to me, and there's been a few points while reading your catch-up posts where im like: "oh this definitely sounds like hallytown, i should tr them" and then my brain immediately comes to a screeching halt because im trying not to let myself get pocketed by you too easily i think that if you are town ill know with a good degree of confidence by the end of today though

[nutella]

alright we can have our common ground on sloonei for today but if we're wrong there hally's next

i literally think they are a difference check and would be extremely surprised if they're both town here

but i'm being persuaded to feel it on sloonei more atm ig

I'm confused by this actually. I thought you felt there was a scum between Hally/Sloonei because you independently scumread both of them to the extent that you thought it was very unlikely that you were wrong about both. But this wording ("difference check") seems to imply that you believe that they can't be W/W. What's going on here?

I initially thought it was possible they were both wolf but seeing how hard hally is going after sloonei I decided against it


I've just gotten enough scum pings from them that I'd be really surprised if they're both town, and currently lean toward sloonei being the wolf and hally just setting me off a bit at first but being within their town range probably

[Hally]

why do u tr tutuu?

There's the usual energy coming from her that she displays when she's town. She could be mimicking it as scum but I think it's not easy to forge and will fall apart eventually if she's faking it. I felt kinda good about #51, #53, #76, #93. Individually taken they're just mildly townie, but all four of them combined + pretty decent energy means that I'm happy to give her an early game townread.

i was wondering if you were going to bring up #93 - that's actually the strongest towntell i've seen from tutuu so far too. i feel like scum would be searching for viable targets to push on in a game with as many strong players as this, and i very much like that tutuu is willing to throw out a townread on someone for what is an admittedly tiny/small reason. it feels completely contrary to how scum have a tendency to avoid boxing themselves in - it feels like tutuu is literally doing that to her self

also, hey jagged! i'm stoked youre here

That's not the reason I townread 93. I don't really think tutuu is the type of player who takes playerlist that strongly into consideration when trying to plan out her scumplay; her playstyle doesn't strike me as being that competitive or control freak-y. I liked 93 because giving out a townread for a reason that doesn't super make sense logically but that she vibes with emotionally is something that town tutuu does a lot. I think LC's slang stuff has endeared him to tutuu, and gives off a pretty "chill" vibe that she's gut townreading. It's pretty on brand for town tutuu to express a gut townread + "I like this person so they're town" sentiment with a post like 93.

tbh my thought process about that post was fairly different from yours, but i find your reasoning legitimate as well. i'm working from a very small framework of what i know about how tutuu plays mafia, but her townread on long con in that post gives me similar vibes to how she townread JPIC in radiohead mafia for something that was counter-intuitive but felt "right" to her in her gut

i actually did a double take at these posts. i’m like.... so confused by this read. like do you think scum!nut is like so bad that she would see tutuu assume a read she hadn’t actually given and go “gee wiz, ig i have to tr sloonei now since tutuu assumed i did.” like, is scum!nut incapable of correcting wrong assumptions? why is this towny? i really don’t get it

i had a similar gut reaction to sloonei's response to me - i think that he's townreading nutella for being firm in her point instead of over-explaining herself, but the wording lacks the clarity that sloonei's reads generally have

town:
spf
tutuu
alison

town lean:
martin
nut
nook
thun maybe

scum:
sloonei

ama

why do u think im town? and why do u have nutella as a town lean but me as town when u specifically brought attention to nutella being town in your catch-up but did not explicitly out a read on me? i'm curious about ur thought process

you’re town because you are um no really, i liked your reaction test thing and just generally am finding your presence to be town!you. idk how to explain it better than that

lol this makes sense to me, and there's been a few points while reading your catch-up posts where im like: "oh this definitely sounds like hallytown, i should tr them" and then my brain immediately comes to a screeching halt because im trying not to let myself get pocketed by you too easily i think that if you are town ill know with a good degree of confidence by the end of today though

ok full disclosure: i was afraid of this going into the game. like when i saw i randed town i was like “but spf and sloonei are gonna be so paranoid of me now if they’re town and i might not be able to work with them as well.” like particularly with you, im scared that even if we agree on stuff you’ll be so nervous that im just pocketing you that you won’t wanna just accept that im town, which is gonna suck for both of us. idk if that will actually happen but yea, i am cognizant of this

[Thunal33]

alright we can have our common ground on sloonei for today but if we're wrong there hally's next

i literally think they are a difference check and would be extremely surprised if they're both town here

but i'm being persuaded to feel it on sloonei more atm ig

I'm giving you a townlean for wanting to solve this aggressively? not sure if that's the right word but you're solving hard and I didn't see that in anni (tbf that was under entirely different circumstances). Watch as I fall into the "everyone is town" phase when I wake up tomorrow. I get the feeling it'll happen.

town:
spf
tutuu
alison

town lean:
martin
nut
nook
thun maybe

scum:
sloonei

ama

Reminder that my permascum curse is only on MU.

Also, I'm kind of intimidated by this playerlist lol. 4 champs finalists and players like Nutella and Alison who I've played with and know they're good?

you fit right in thun, don’t you worry

Awww thanks!

[Hally]

alright we can have our common ground on sloonei for today but if we're wrong there hally's next

i literally think they are a difference check and would be extremely surprised if they're both town here

but i'm being persuaded to feel it on sloonei more atm ig

I'm confused by this actually. I thought you felt there was a scum between Hally/Sloonei because you independently scumread both of them to the extent that you thought it was very unlikely that you were wrong about both. But this wording ("difference check") seems to imply that you believe that they can't be W/W. What's going on here?

I initially thought it was possible they were both wolf but seeing how hard hally is going after sloonei I decided against it


I've just gotten enough scum pings from them that I'd be really surprised if they're both town, and currently lean toward sloonei being the wolf and hally just setting me off a bit at first but being within their town range probably

im debating whether i should actually engage with you about this or just keep doing my thing and trust you’ll fix your read

[nutella]

ok full disclosure: i was afraid of this going into the game. like when i saw i randed town i was like “but spf and sloonei are gonna be so paranoid of me now if they’re town and i might not be able to work with them as well.” like particularly with you, im scared that even if we agree on stuff you’ll be so nervous that im just pocketing you that you won’t wanna just accept that im town, which is gonna suck for both of us. idk if that will actually happen but yea, i am cognizant of this

ok fine you can be town


(for now)

[Hally]

i don’t think scum!nut ever starts tunneling me immediately in a game though. she’s just town

[Sloonei]

I am town and stand by my read on nutella.

[nutella]

and tbh I'm pretty reassured by the way we converged on sloonei, I have a history of silly tinfoil on him but seeing others independently come to the conclusion he looks off here makes me feel like I may not actually be crazy this time

[Hally]

ok full disclosure: i was afraid of this going into the game. like when i saw i randed town i was like “but spf and sloonei are gonna be so paranoid of me now if they’re town and i might not be able to work with them as well.” like particularly with you, im scared that even if we agree on stuff you’ll be so nervous that im just pocketing you that you won’t wanna just accept that im town, which is gonna suck for both of us. idk if that will actually happen but yea, i am cognizant of this

ok fine you can be town


(for now)

yea, im like 99% sure nut is a villager. she’s checked like every box already lol

[staypositivefriend]

There's the usual energy coming from her that she displays when she's town. She could be mimicking it as scum but I think it's not easy to forge and will fall apart eventually if she's faking it. I felt kinda good about #51, #53, #76, #93. Individually taken they're just mildly townie, but all four of them combined + pretty decent energy means that I'm happy to give her an early game townread.

i was wondering if you were going to bring up #93 - that's actually the strongest towntell i've seen from tutuu so far too. i feel like scum would be searching for viable targets to push on in a game with as many strong players as this, and i very much like that tutuu is willing to throw out a townread on someone for what is an admittedly tiny/small reason. it feels completely contrary to how scum have a tendency to avoid boxing themselves in - it feels like tutuu is literally doing that to her self

also, hey jagged! i'm stoked youre here

That's not the reason I townread 93. I don't really think tutuu is the type of player who takes playerlist that strongly into consideration when trying to plan out her scumplay; her playstyle doesn't strike me as being that competitive or control freak-y. I liked 93 because giving out a townread for a reason that doesn't super make sense logically but that she vibes with emotionally is something that town tutuu does a lot. I think LC's slang stuff has endeared him to tutuu, and gives off a pretty "chill" vibe that she's gut townreading. It's pretty on brand for town tutuu to express a gut townread + "I like this person so they're town" sentiment with a post like 93.

tbh my thought process about that post was fairly different from yours, but i find your reasoning legitimate as well. i'm working from a very small framework of what i know about how tutuu plays mafia, but her townread on long con in that post gives me similar vibes to how she townread JPIC in radiohead mafia for something that was counter-intuitive but felt "right" to her in her gut

i actually did a double take at these posts. i’m like.... so confused by this read. like do you think scum!nut is like so bad that she would see tutuu assume a read she hadn’t actually given and go “gee wiz, ig i have to tr sloonei now since tutuu assumed i did.” like, is scum!nut incapable of correcting wrong assumptions? why is this towny? i really don’t get it

i had a similar gut reaction to sloonei's response to me - i think that he's townreading nutella for being firm in her point instead of over-explaining herself, but the wording lacks the clarity that sloonei's reads generally have

town:
spf
tutuu
alison

town lean:
martin
nut
nook
thun maybe

scum:
sloonei

ama

why do u think im town? and why do u have nutella as a town lean but me as town when u specifically brought attention to nutella being town in your catch-up but did not explicitly out a read on me? i'm curious about ur thought process

you’re town because you are um no really, i liked your reaction test thing and just generally am finding your presence to be town!you. idk how to explain it better than that

lol this makes sense to me, and there's been a few points while reading your catch-up posts where im like: "oh this definitely sounds like hallytown, i should tr them" and then my brain immediately comes to a screeching halt because im trying not to let myself get pocketed by you too easily i think that if you are town ill know with a good degree of confidence by the end of today though

ok full disclosure: i was afraid of this going into the game. like when i saw i randed town i was like “but spf and sloonei are gonna be so paranoid of me now if they’re town and i might not be able to work with them as well.” like particularly with you, im scared that even if we agree on stuff you’ll be so nervous that im just pocketing you that you won’t wanna just accept that im town, which is gonna suck for both of us. idk if that will actually happen but yea, i am cognizant of this

yeah, that's a legitimate fear to have - i think it's fair to say that im a lot more cautious about you than i have been before. i'm gonna try my best to read you independently of my paranoia toward you. i also think that i've learned a little bit more about the difference btwn your scum game & your town game after seeing you play as both in champs

also, you seem pretty confident that nutella is town based on your most recent post to her - and i think it's curious that you only have her as a "town lean". has nutella fooled you a lot as mafia in the past? i don't know how relevant this read is, but something that i noticed is that nutella's tone is drastically different in this game than it was in radiohead mafia. i immediately noticed in radiohead that nutella's tone was more disengaged and driven by looking for people to target, but her scumhunting feels a lot more authentic to me so far in this game. there is a real sense of conviction to her tone that i did not experience at all in radiohead