Grasslands [Game Thread]

[Hally]

im 99% sure carotte is outed mafia who decided to go in anti-spewing

well she hasn’t really been here so i’m not sure how she could be in anti-spew

[nutella]

I'm disappointed in myself for not even coming dangerously close to hitting cap

[tutuu]

oh yea and if carotte is mafia (which she should be) im highly certain she spewed sloonei town (someone else pointed out this first, maybe jay? someone said she TMI'd him town)

im 99% sure carotte is outed mafia who decided to go in anti-spewing

well she hasn’t really been here so i’m not sure how she could be in anti-spew

yes exactly? she isnt posting so as to not give any spew

[Hally]

oh yea and if carotte is mafia (which she should be) im highly certain she spewed sloonei town (someone else pointed out this first, maybe jay? someone said she TMI'd him town)

im 99% sure carotte is outed mafia who decided to go in anti-spewing

well she hasn’t really been here so i’m not sure how she could be in anti-spew

yes exactly? she isnt posting so as to not give any spew

oh ok

[Hally]

im just going to vote so that everyone has at least one

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine
[VOTE: nut] aubergine
[VOTE: nova] aubergine
[VOTE: nook] aubergine
[VOTE: thun] aubergine
[VOTE: martin] aubergine
[VOTE: jay] aubergine
[VOTE: sloonei] aubergine
[VOTE: lc] aubergine

[Hally]

oh and me

[VOTE: hally ] aubergine

[Alison]

thanks. how likely do you think it is that those in your poe are aligned with each other?

I don't think Carotte/Thunal is W/W. The way Thunal praised Carotte's re-evaluation did not look like wolf buddy interaction. If anything I'd say it looks more like one of them trying to get on the other's good side. Carotte/Sloonei and Sloonei/Thunal both seem pretty viable to me.

ok. i don’t really see carotte/sloonei and sloonei/thunal as that likely

Why? I'm not seeing any super strong associations between those slots.

[nutella]

@Hally you asked me about the relationship between Carotte and Alison. If I were doing a blind interaction chart that would be a block I'd be tempted to color orange. They've both said a decent amount about one another without arriving at conclusions I would call clear or inspiring -- lots of room to land on town reads or mafia reads both ways depending upon the momentum of the game.

Take that with a grain of salt, because I don't believe pre-flip associations are super wise if not done comprehensively for everyone, or at least everyone within a POE pool.

I agree with this

I'm feeling pretty okay about jay so far actually, and am inclined to listen to him re giving Sloonei more time. Switching my pseudo scum vote to carotte


also, my negative tinglies about Hally have returned somewhat. a little. I still townread them but am wary and wouldn't give then the save/gun. I still like spf most for that but see she self voted, so we'll have to figure that out but I'd be fine with sending tutuu, nova, or I guess myself as well.

I also think Thunal is town and Alison's push on her is bad, but whether it's misguidedly bad or maliciously bad remains to be determined.

Still catching up on this morning

we seem to be at identical places rn with our reads. where are your negative tingles coming from if not my reads?

honestly it was your multiquote catchup post lol I think I just can't read you reliably in post capped games when you do that, I know you did them as town in sf3 but they still rub me wrong, especially when most of the replies are fluff, which they felt like in the one that triggered me here. also like, in finale you seemed to overcompensate in grouping stuff into long mq posts when you weren't even in danger of hitting cap. I guess you're closeish here though but it still bothers me idk. But I am reassured when you make reads I agree with.

[Sloonei]

This post from Hally has stuck with me:

Spoiler: show

not actually here but i thought of another question i have for @Sloonei

your response to the pressure on you in the wall you posted focused on try to find bad faith pushes. but im also curious to hear your takes on who is not pushing you. specifically, what do you think of carotte’s reaction to the pressure on you? what about jay’s? or anyone else who is noteworthy iyo

ime when a villager (and particularly a very strong player like yourself) is getting early heat, scum is often not in the early pushers but is instead found in those that don’t take a stance/try to have it both ways or those who tr the suspected person/try to white knight or pocket them. if you’re a villager you have a very unique and valuable pov on that and i’d like to see you explore that angle too

if you’ve already done this since i last posted, disregard and i’ll see it later

I have not gotten around to digging into this, but it's stayed on my mind over the last ~24 hours. Not actively; I'm not scouring the thread looking for opportunism directed at me. But it's been in the back of my mind. And there is a little siren going off back there when I see Thunal's progression on Sloonei.

Early on she's not quite there yet, but appears to be leaving the door open.

Later on, however, when the Sloonei pressure feels (to me) like it's becoming more viable, Thunal hops on board:

Spoiler: show

sloonei's tone is just wrong, I wish I could explain it better. it's like his posts are stilted, though that's not quite the right word. and it kind of feels like he's throwing out townreads to counteract it and look like he's solving. I also didn't like his hedge on LC

Yeah, I think Sloonei seems defensive and I dislike the fact that he took issue with not being one of JJJ's townreads despite him not doing much at that point. His "case" on me doesn't feel right either. Yes, I got confused and thought there was a player in the game that actually didn't exist (a player with the username Carotte here). I gave that nonexistent player a null read because I thought they posted almost nothing, that's not inconsistent.

To be fair, this does come shortly after I stated my previous concern with Thunal re: her treatment of Carot. Thunal's response to that can be found here. It's short, but I don't object to it. That's a believable explanation for the slip up. But that still doesn't tell me much about Thunal's alignment.

From here on, though, Thunal feels like she becomes much more critical of me:

Spoiler: show

Thunal is a she. And I think you're overblowing the weirdness of that, I just assumed she hadn't realized about the name and didn't particularly remember anything from Carotte hence not having a townread on her lol. It's not the type of inconsistency I'm concerned with. Do you think there's something scum indicative about it?

Sorry Thunal!

I am wary of the progression and want to highlight it. I could see it coming from scum, but it doesn't need to. I want Thunal to respond to it before I say more.

You are either in a tunnel or pretending to be. If you want me to prove that I am town, let me do my thing.

how is there so much linki in a light game?

"or pretending to be"? Can you elaborate on your read on Nutella?

My PoE is LC, Jay, and Sloonei with a low confidence level in that PoE. I know I've been asked before when I had a PoE the same size as the actual mafia team whether I think I've solved the game, and I definitely do not believe I've solved the game here.
Martin and Carotte are sort of in my outer PoE.
My strongest TRs are nutella, Hally, and tutuu.

Phantom votes:

Town: nutella
Scum: Sloonei

Earlier you said that you also don't really get all the scumreads on Sloonei for his nutella read. What made you change your mind to vote him now?

His recent posts look scummy, his earlier ones look null. I dislike that he's making a case on me for thinking Carotte was a different player than you, I feel like that's a really easy thing for scum to grab onto. I also dislike that most of his posts have been responding to suspicion rather than solving. It feels a bit like self-pres minded scum. However I understand JJJ's point, I won't push Sloonei hard until he's had more of a chance to show his alignment.

There's a few points in particular I could address as feeling a bit like opportunistic misconstructions:

Spoiler: show

Re: read on Sloonei, I dislike that he said he would contribute more last night and never did. I actually don't scumread him based on his early posts and I think his read on Nutella looks okay, but we gave him more of a chance and it really feels like he cares more about self-pres than solving and his content has been underwhelming.

Where did I say the underlined bit? And the bit about me being caring "more about self-pres than solving" is bogus. This is the same argument I had with Phighter in Champs. Sometimes I solve through people's reads on me. It's a comfortable foot hold for me early in games especially. There was more sustained suspicion against me than I like in this game, but I am not responding to these things purely from a defensive or "self-preserving" posture: I am trying to read people's reads of me. That is an offensive move, not defensive. This is me solving the game, Thunal.

Spoiler: show

I had the same thoughts as SPF here. This post feels careful and forced somehow, and Sloonei never did his thing and tried to prove he was town. The read also seems hedgy "I could see it coming from scum but it doesn't need to" and I can definitely see the point of Sloonei not wanting to get his hands dirty on any wagon. He's not taking a whole lot of stances in general either. I tried to give him some space but he still hasn't done anything towny, in fact he only looked more scummy when he posted more.

This is the first time Thunal and I have met, and I've certainly been misread in this light by players unfamiliar with my style before. But the underlined is just Thunal suspecting Sloonei for being Sloonei. I stated a concern, not an outright suspicion, about her earlier, and she has been regarding that as if it was supposed to be something more firm than it was. My original post on Thunal was meant as a conversation piece, not a "case". I am not the kind of player who will avoid "getting my hands dirty" as either alignment.

Spoiler: show

Also to anyone who knows Sloonei's meta, does he take pride in his scum game? Does he have more motivation as town or as scum when he's a candidate for a chop?

This also felt a bit icky, but it's another thing that I do not necessarily need to see as bad (I am reminded of Dizzy's Final Day concern about my emotional state in Champs). Thunal sees my relatively deflated posture in this game and prompts the thread about it. That's not an unfair observation, but I still am wary of the person who brought it in.

At this point, however, the Sloonei wagon seems to be dying down. I do not know how tightly a wolf would cling to it at this point. This could be Mafia Thunal trying to take one last swing at it to see if it'll go anywhere.

To be fair to Thunal, the flip side of this is that her suspicion against me started in earnest after I became critical of her, and it is not at all unreasonable for something like that to cause a civilian to become more focused on the player in question. This post right here is Exhibit A for that argument. But Hally's question has resonated with me, and Thunal's arrival on the Sloonei Wagon was relatively late and, in my view, at least a little bit unfounded.

this post took longer to compile than I hoped. I have just over an hour to figure things out. I'll take a quick look at carot, but I'd prefer to spend most of my remaining time in the present.

[Hally]

now if we want to give spf the gun/save one of you just votes everyone but her once

but we can wait to decide that

[nutella]

if two of us just vote everyone but spf, she’ll have the least again

I'm down to do this

[Sloonei]

Why are we giving the gun to spf?

[tutuu]

i mean

we kinda had the majority vote and everything

i can count the votes but i dont think the majority agreed to give it to spf

im not really cool with hally and nutella strongarming to give the gun to spf? what happened to the whole town as a whole working together?

let me tally the votes i guess

[Sloonei]

i mean

we kinda had the majority vote and everything

i can count the votes but i dont think the majority agreed to give it to spf

im not really cool with hally and nutella strongarming to give the gun to spf? what happened to the whole town as a whole working together?

let me tally the votes i guess

who do you want to have the gun?

[MartinGG99]

oh and me

[VOTE: hally ] aubergine

Oh yeah. Forgot to do that.

[VOTE: MartinGG99] aubergine

[Alison]

I'm caught up. Ruling out Thunal/Sloonei for now, which looks decent for Thunal.

Hally, the plan was for everyone to self vote to make us all have one, except the person who gets the gun. Why'd you do that?

Also I've changed my mind, I want Martin to have the gun.

[Sloonei]

Lol crosspost nutella

I don't get the commotion about Sloonei tbh, I believe that he believes in his read. :P

What makes you believe him?

I "get" his thought process, it doesn't seem like a stretch to me. I wouldn't townread him for that, but clearly don't share the ~general scumread he got for this read.

I think this is where the carot suspicion originated, and I can see it. This looks a bit awkward, like Carot accidentally put herself in a position she didn't want to be in and had to pivot away. "I believe he believes in his read" feels like it should be a townread. "I wouldn't townread him for that" literally says otherwise.

[tutuu]

now martin has 2 fucking votes jesus fucking christ...

i mean it doesnt matter i guess but this is pissing me off

[mention]Hally[/mention] why did u vote everyone because you single hadnedly decided spf should get the gun? what happened to the plan?

sloonei i voted for myself

[Sloonei]

I'm caught up. Ruling out Thunal/Sloonei for now, which looks decent for Thunal.

Hally, the plan was for everyone to self vote to make us all have one, except the person who gets the gun. Why'd you do that?

Also I've changed my mind, I want Martin to have the gun.

Was Thunal/Sloonei a viable pairing? Why has that changed?

[tutuu]

nah im not counting the votes. i remember a few ppl voted without coloring their votes, im not digging those stuff

im highly annoyed at this voting system and i want no part of it

[nutella]

I just wish spf hadn't self voted. But im cool with tutuu getting it. For now I will just place [VOTE: carotte] aubergine to ensure we get the most on the scumread.

[Dyslexicon]

Post cap is lifted now!

[Hally]

thanks. how likely do you think it is that those in your poe are aligned with each other?

I don't think Carotte/Thunal is W/W. The way Thunal praised Carotte's re-evaluation did not look like wolf buddy interaction. If anything I'd say it looks more like one of them trying to get on the other's good side. Carotte/Sloonei and Sloonei/Thunal both seem pretty viable to me.

ok. i don’t really see carotte/sloonei and sloonei/thunal as that likely

Why? I'm not seeing any super strong associations between those slots.

for carotte/sloonei, carotte was very dismissive of the early concerns around sloonei in a way that seemed like tmi. i don’t think she’d react to a teammate getting early pressure like that

for thun/sloonei, i just buy how thun has treated sloonei as honest. she started off not joining in on the suspicion of sloonei when he was in the hot seat but then as attention shifted away from him she began pushing him more. if she’s aligned with sloonei, she has no reason to add new suspicion to him as the suspicion on him is waning

[MartinGG99]

Wait, I wasn't supposed to vote myself after hally voted us all?

I'm lost....oh well.

[Alison]

I'm caught up. Ruling out Thunal/Sloonei for now, which looks decent for Thunal.

Hally, the plan was for everyone to self vote to make us all have one, except the person who gets the gun. Why'd you do that?

Also I've changed my mind, I want Martin to have the gun.

Was Thunal/Sloonei a viable pairing? Why has that changed?

I was asked about possible wolfpairs in my POE of Thunal, Carotte and Sloonei. This would be a very weird context to bus Thunal in if you are partners, so I'm soft clearing that possibility.

[nutella]

Ok so it looks like we'll need someone to vote everyone except the person we want to get the gun so it doesn't just go to lowest poster

[Hally]

@Hally you asked me about the relationship between Carotte and Alison. If I were doing a blind interaction chart that would be a block I'd be tempted to color orange. They've both said a decent amount about one another without arriving at conclusions I would call clear or inspiring -- lots of room to land on town reads or mafia reads both ways depending upon the momentum of the game.

Take that with a grain of salt, because I don't believe pre-flip associations are super wise if not done comprehensively for everyone, or at least everyone within a POE pool.

I agree with this

I'm feeling pretty okay about jay so far actually, and am inclined to listen to him re giving Sloonei more time. Switching my pseudo scum vote to carotte


also, my negative tinglies about Hally have returned somewhat. a little. I still townread them but am wary and wouldn't give then the save/gun. I still like spf most for that but see she self voted, so we'll have to figure that out but I'd be fine with sending tutuu, nova, or I guess myself as well.

I also think Thunal is town and Alison's push on her is bad, but whether it's misguidedly bad or maliciously bad remains to be determined.

Still catching up on this morning

we seem to be at identical places rn with our reads. where are your negative tingles coming from if not my reads?

honestly it was your multiquote catchup post lol I think I just can't read you reliably in post capped games when you do that, I know you did them as town in sf3 but they still rub me wrong, especially when most of the replies are fluff, which they felt like in the one that triggered me here. also like, in finale you seemed to overcompensate in grouping stuff into long mq posts when you weren't even in danger of hitting cap. I guess you're closeish here though but it still bothers me idk. But I am reassured when you make reads I agree with.

what things in my catch up posts are fluff?

[Long Con]

Ok so it looks like we'll need someone to vote everyone except the person we want to get the gun so it doesn't just go to lowest poster

I can do that. Tell me exactly what do do please.

[Sloonei]

I like Thunal more today.

I'm not sure if everyone understands that the person sent to the grassland only gets to shoot *among* the persons in the grassland? (most voted, least voted, sent by scum)

I think tutuu & nutella are town. I liked Nanook/SPF/nova/LC/JJJ with no particular order.

I have some mixed feelings about Alison. I think that the only thing I really disliked is how she asked Hally why I wasn't on their read list (I thought it was pretty evident that they jsut didn't have a read on me) and then not really followed up when Hally answered that they didn't have a read yet.

This is the most comprehensive/firm post in Carot's iso regarding reads on players, as far as I can tell. Alison is the only listed name that's not a town-read. [mention]Carotenoid[/mention] have things changed for you since this post? How does Alison look now? Is anyone else a suspect, or do you have any new town reads?

[tutuu]

Wait, I wasn't supposed to vote myself after hally voted us all?

I'm lost....oh well.

it was unnecessary but hally had no place bringing chaos in the first place by voting absolutely everyone

[Alison]

I need to sleep. I don't think Carotte dismissing the concerns around Sloonei = not buddies. I can see worlds where Carotte is annoyed that people are suspecting her scum buddy for the wrong reasons and just gives a dismissive "come on guys this is really not a big deal" to brush it off.

I think I've ruled out Sloonei as my vote for today because JJJ is backing him up and he's been doing some decent solving lately. I don't think Sloonei can solo push a Thunal wagon to completion in 4 hours with both nutella and Hally strongly against, so I'd rather [VOTE: Carotte] aubergine.

I'm heading to bed now.

[Sloonei]

I'm caught up. Ruling out Thunal/Sloonei for now, which looks decent for Thunal.

Hally, the plan was for everyone to self vote to make us all have one, except the person who gets the gun. Why'd you do that?

Also I've changed my mind, I want Martin to have the gun.

Was Thunal/Sloonei a viable pairing? Why has that changed?

I was asked about possible wolfpairs in my POE of Thunal, Carotte and Sloonei. This would be a very weird context to bus Thunal in if you are partners, so I'm soft clearing that possibility.

If only one of us is a wolf, who is it?

[tutuu]

whatever i want no part of this

[nutella]

Wait, I wasn't supposed to vote myself after hally voted us all?

I'm lost....oh well.

it was unnecessary but hally had no place bringing chaos in the first place by voting absolutely everyone

I don't think there's any reason to be mad at them, it makes total sense since they wanted spf to be lowest and they're compensating for that. We can always add more votes to balance it. There's no problem here, it's gonna be fine. Chill. Pls.

[Hally]

This post from Hally has stuck with me:

Spoiler: show

not actually here but i thought of another question i have for @Sloonei

your response to the pressure on you in the wall you posted focused on try to find bad faith pushes. but im also curious to hear your takes on who is not pushing you. specifically, what do you think of carotte’s reaction to the pressure on you? what about jay’s? or anyone else who is noteworthy iyo

ime when a villager (and particularly a very strong player like yourself) is getting early heat, scum is often not in the early pushers but is instead found in those that don’t take a stance/try to have it both ways or those who tr the suspected person/try to white knight or pocket them. if you’re a villager you have a very unique and valuable pov on that and i’d like to see you explore that angle too

if you’ve already done this since i last posted, disregard and i’ll see it later

I have not gotten around to digging into this, but it's stayed on my mind over the last ~24 hours. Not actively; I'm not scouring the thread looking for opportunism directed at me. But it's been in the back of my mind. And there is a little siren going off back there when I see Thunal's progression on Sloonei.

Early on she's not quite there yet, but appears to be leaving the door open.

Later on, however, when the Sloonei pressure feels (to me) like it's becoming more viable, Thunal hops on board:

Spoiler: show

sloonei's tone is just wrong, I wish I could explain it better. it's like his posts are stilted, though that's not quite the right word. and it kind of feels like he's throwing out townreads to counteract it and look like he's solving. I also didn't like his hedge on LC

Yeah, I think Sloonei seems defensive and I dislike the fact that he took issue with not being one of JJJ's townreads despite him not doing much at that point. His "case" on me doesn't feel right either. Yes, I got confused and thought there was a player in the game that actually didn't exist (a player with the username Carotte here). I gave that nonexistent player a null read because I thought they posted almost nothing, that's not inconsistent.

To be fair, this does come shortly after I stated my previous concern with Thunal re: her treatment of Carot. Thunal's response to that can be found here. It's short, but I don't object to it. That's a believable explanation for the slip up. But that still doesn't tell me much about Thunal's alignment.

From here on, though, Thunal feels like she becomes much more critical of me:

Spoiler: show

Thunal is a she. And I think you're overblowing the weirdness of that, I just assumed she hadn't realized about the name and didn't particularly remember anything from Carotte hence not having a townread on her lol. It's not the type of inconsistency I'm concerned with. Do you think there's something scum indicative about it?

Sorry Thunal!

I am wary of the progression and want to highlight it. I could see it coming from scum, but it doesn't need to. I want Thunal to respond to it before I say more.

You are either in a tunnel or pretending to be. If you want me to prove that I am town, let me do my thing.

how is there so much linki in a light game?

"or pretending to be"? Can you elaborate on your read on Nutella?

My PoE is LC, Jay, and Sloonei with a low confidence level in that PoE. I know I've been asked before when I had a PoE the same size as the actual mafia team whether I think I've solved the game, and I definitely do not believe I've solved the game here.
Martin and Carotte are sort of in my outer PoE.
My strongest TRs are nutella, Hally, and tutuu.

Phantom votes:

Town: nutella
Scum: Sloonei

Earlier you said that you also don't really get all the scumreads on Sloonei for his nutella read. What made you change your mind to vote him now?

His recent posts look scummy, his earlier ones look null. I dislike that he's making a case on me for thinking Carotte was a different player than you, I feel like that's a really easy thing for scum to grab onto. I also dislike that most of his posts have been responding to suspicion rather than solving. It feels a bit like self-pres minded scum. However I understand JJJ's point, I won't push Sloonei hard until he's had more of a chance to show his alignment.

There's a few points in particular I could address as feeling a bit like opportunistic misconstructions:

Spoiler: show

Re: read on Sloonei, I dislike that he said he would contribute more last night and never did. I actually don't scumread him based on his early posts and I think his read on Nutella looks okay, but we gave him more of a chance and it really feels like he cares more about self-pres than solving and his content has been underwhelming.

Where did I say the underlined bit? And the bit about me being caring "more about self-pres than solving" is bogus. This is the same argument I had with Phighter in Champs. Sometimes I solve through people's reads on me. It's a comfortable foot hold for me early in games especially. There was more sustained suspicion against me than I like in this game, but I am not responding to these things purely from a defensive or "self-preserving" posture: I am trying to read people's reads of me. That is an offensive move, not defensive. This is me solving the game, Thunal.

Spoiler: show

I had the same thoughts as SPF here. This post feels careful and forced somehow, and Sloonei never did his thing and tried to prove he was town. The read also seems hedgy "I could see it coming from scum but it doesn't need to" and I can definitely see the point of Sloonei not wanting to get his hands dirty on any wagon. He's not taking a whole lot of stances in general either. I tried to give him some space but he still hasn't done anything towny, in fact he only looked more scummy when he posted more.

This is the first time Thunal and I have met, and I've certainly been misread in this light by players unfamiliar with my style before. But the underlined is just Thunal suspecting Sloonei for being Sloonei. I stated a concern, not an outright suspicion, about her earlier, and she has been regarding that as if it was supposed to be something more firm than it was. My original post on Thunal was meant as a conversation piece, not a "case". I am not the kind of player who will avoid "getting my hands dirty" as either alignment.

Spoiler: show

Also to anyone who knows Sloonei's meta, does he take pride in his scum game? Does he have more motivation as town or as scum when he's a candidate for a chop?

This also felt a bit icky, but it's another thing that I do not necessarily need to see as bad (I am reminded of Dizzy's Final Day concern about my emotional state in Champs). Thunal sees my relatively deflated posture in this game and prompts the thread about it. That's not an unfair observation, but I still am wary of the person who brought it in.

At this point, however, the Sloonei wagon seems to be dying down. I do not know how tightly a wolf would cling to it at this point. This could be Mafia Thunal trying to take one last swing at it to see if it'll go anywhere.

To be fair to Thunal, the flip side of this is that her suspicion against me started in earnest after I became critical of her, and it is not at all unreasonable for something like that to cause a civilian to become more focused on the player in question. This post right here is Exhibit A for that argument. But Hally's question has resonated with me, and Thunal's arrival on the Sloonei Wagon was relatively late and, in my view, at least a little bit unfounded.

this post took longer to compile than I hoped. I have just over an hour to figure things out. I'll take a quick look at carot, but I'd prefer to spend most of my remaining time in the present.

like i said, sloonei/thun is never w/w

but really, concern noted. im gonna think on it and see how thun responds but my immediate take is that, as you said, i can easily see town!thun having this progression and i do think one thing that indicates it’s sincere is that thun’s suspicion on you developed at a unique time and for her own unique reasons. she doesn’t seem to be riding the coattails of everyone else’s push but has instead apoears to have come to her read on you naturally

[Hally]

Why are we giving the gun to spf?

why shouldn’t we?

[Alison]

Oh right before I go to bed I will ask Hally this: you seemed to be very cognizant of the power of not diluting votes earlier (can't remember whether it was signup thread or early in the game) and mentioned that a mafia member voted all three wagons as a smokescreen the last time you played this setup. Why are you so sure that SPF is better than everyone else to the point of diluting your own vote to push her in?

[Hally]

i mean

we kinda had the majority vote and everything

i can count the votes but i dont think the majority agreed to give it to spf

im not really cool with hally and nutella strongarming to give the gun to spf? what happened to the whole town as a whole working together?

let me tally the votes i guess

im not strongarming it. it was my impression that spf was in everyone’s pool of “they should get the gun.” also its not a gun really. it’s just who we want saved

[Hally]

I'm caught up. Ruling out Thunal/Sloonei for now, which looks decent for Thunal.

Hally, the plan was for everyone to self vote to make us all have one, except the person who gets the gun. Why'd you do that?

Also I've changed my mind, I want Martin to have the gun.

because spf self voted before we actually decided that she shouldn’t have the gun

[Alison]

Wait, I wasn't supposed to vote myself after hally voted us all?

I'm lost....oh well.

it was unnecessary but hally had no place bringing chaos in the first place by voting absolutely everyone

I don't think there's any reason to be mad at them, it makes total sense since they wanted spf to be lowest and they're compensating for that. We can always add more votes to balance it. There's no problem here, it's gonna be fine. Chill. Pls.

The plan was to come to a consensus on who gets the gun through phantom voting and then guarantee that consensus is carried out by realvoting, not to unilaterally make a decision on who should get the gun.

I'm not like super mad at this since SPF was in my doc pool as well but I do think tutuu/nova/Martin were better choices so I'm at least mildly irritated.

[Sloonei]

Why are we giving the gun to spf?

why shouldn’t we?

That's not what I'm asking.

[Hally]

now martin has 2 fucking votes jesus fucking christ...

i mean it doesnt matter i guess but this is pissing me off

@Hally why did u vote everyone because you single hadnedly decided spf should get the gun? what happened to the plan?

sloonei i voted for myself

i didn’t decide that. i put everyone at one vote. that is effectively like everyone having no votes. now we can all decide who should have the least. i dont get what the issue is

[nutella]

Honestly the contrast between spf carelessly self voting versus tutuu absolutely flipping out about someone besides herself getting preferred for the save just makes me want to save spf even more over tutuu. Sorry.

[tutuu]

Wait, I wasn't supposed to vote myself after hally voted us all?

I'm lost....oh well.

it was unnecessary but hally had no place bringing chaos in the first place by voting absolutely everyone

I don't think there's any reason to be mad at them, it makes total sense since they wanted spf to be lowest and they're compensating for that. We can always add more votes to balance it. There's no problem here, it's gonna be fine. Chill. Pls.

i do hope you and them carry me then, seeing as youre confident enough that you go against the consensus plan and just do whatever the two of you want. i expect to get the W.

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

[Sloonei]

How do we feel about Alison?

[Sloonei]

Honestly the contrast between spf carelessly self voting versus tutuu absolutely flipping out about someone besides herself getting preferred for the save just makes me want to save spf even more over tutuu. Sorry.

is this an assessment of their alignments?

[Hally]

Wait, I wasn't supposed to vote myself after hally voted us all?

I'm lost....oh well.

it was unnecessary but hally had no place bringing chaos in the first place by voting absolutely everyone

it’s... not chaos. it’s just evening things out so everyone has the same. now we can decide who should have the least

[nutella]

Wait, I wasn't supposed to vote myself after hally voted us all?

I'm lost....oh well.

it was unnecessary but hally had no place bringing chaos in the first place by voting absolutely everyone

I don't think there's any reason to be mad at them, it makes total sense since they wanted spf to be lowest and they're compensating for that. We can always add more votes to balance it. There's no problem here, it's gonna be fine. Chill. Pls.

The plan was to come to a consensus on who gets the gun through phantom voting and then guarantee that consensus is carried out by realvoting, not to unilaterally make a decision on who should get the gun.

I'm not like super mad at this since SPF was in my doc pool as well but I do think tutuu/nova/Martin were better choices so I'm at least mildly irritated.

But it's literally just making up for spf's self vote. That's all. We can always add more. But I do think spf is the best choice, and Hally was just making that feasible again, not forcing anything.

What makes you so confident in Martin? He's obviously never going to be consensus here at least?

[Alison]

now martin has 2 fucking votes jesus fucking christ...

i mean it doesnt matter i guess but this is pissing me off

@Hally why did u vote everyone because you single hadnedly decided spf should get the gun? what happened to the plan?

sloonei i voted for myself

i didn’t decide that. i put everyone at one vote. that is effectively like everyone having no votes. now we can all decide who should have the least. i dont get what the issue is

The issue is that by voting everyone you are removing both the weight and accountability of your own vote. If you increment everyone's votes by one then your real vote on Carotte is cancelled out. Basically you robbed yourself of a vote here in order to cancel out SPF's selfvote. Why do that? Why not just let tutuu or someone else who isn't SPF have the gun? Is tutuu or nova or whoever that much worse of a doc?

[MartinGG99]

Why are we giving the gun to spf?

why shouldn’t we?

Honestly, I've been wanting to give the town vote to Tutuu because not only
1. They're towny (as far as I can tell at the moment), but also
2. I feel like they're partially unpredictable more than other players, and that can be a lucrative kill for scum at times

I can recognize though, that if SPF is town, they can represent a strong threat as well as some other players. We have to choose someone though. And I would like that to be Tutuu, but I have no qualms if it has to be SPF instead. As for others, unless we're talking Thunal33 (which I don't see a whole lot consensus on using a doc save on), they don't have enough of my trust to receive the heal or gun or whatever it is called.