Escape From Russia [GAME OVER]

[112]

At the very least, Poison needs to think outside of the box before I'm yeeted to avoid being completely uninformed as to who the last scum actually are. It's one thing to want to yeet someone badly, but it's another thing entirely to eschew looking for alternative realities in the case that that read is wrong.

The thing is 112, I have been looking at others and never pushed you hard early in the game, and because I looked at all the other possibilities i ended up voting towns.

You haven't looked at all the other possibilities, though. There's like 8 or 9 players left in the game and presumably 2 wolves.

[Poison]

I'll explain it in details why I'm hard scum reading you 112, after dinner.

[112]

I'll explain it in details why I'm hard scum reading you 112, after dinner.

I don't really care tbh. Whatever your case is, it's bad.

You're reading me scum because my town game seems scummy to you. That's it.

[112]

I don't understand how I'm a better elimination than Wilgy. That just baffles me.

[Poison]

At the very least, Poison needs to think outside of the box before I'm yeeted to avoid being completely uninformed as to who the last scum actually are. It's one thing to want to yeet someone badly, but it's another thing entirely to eschew looking for alternative realities in the case that that read is wrong.

The thing is 112, I have been looking at others and never pushed you hard early in the game, and because I looked at all the other possibilities i ended up voting towns.

You haven't looked at all the other possibilities, though. There's like 8 or 9 players left in the game and presumably 2 wolves.

Yes of course but they had their towniness from my Pov while I failed to get one from yours so far in the game.

Hally is town in my opinion.
Ash is spewed town also did a lot of towny thing.
I don't know about epi or how to read them.
Nook is towny and kinda same as the other town games I played with him.
Hmm arete idk.
And wilgy idk.

So I have 3 idks. Arete, wilgy and Epignosis. While I scum read you instead of just an idk.

[Poison]

Actually brb

[112]

At the very least, Poison needs to think outside of the box before I'm yeeted to avoid being completely uninformed as to who the last scum actually are. It's one thing to want to yeet someone badly, but it's another thing entirely to eschew looking for alternative realities in the case that that read is wrong.

The thing is 112, I have been looking at others and never pushed you hard early in the game, and because I looked at all the other possibilities i ended up voting towns.

You haven't looked at all the other possibilities, though. There's like 8 or 9 players left in the game and presumably 2 wolves.

Yes of course but they had their towniness from my Pov while I failed to get one from yours so far in the game.

Hally is town in my opinion.
Ash is spewed town also did a lot of towny thing.
I don't know about epi or how to read them.
Nook is towny and kinda same as the other town games I played with him.
Hmm arete idk.
And wilgy idk.

So I have 3 idks. Arete, wilgy and Epignosis. While I scum read you instead of just an idk.

You don't know how to read me either, though. We've never played together before.

[112]

I don't think Nanook has given a reason for voting for me.

Everyone else has bad reasons, but Nanook has none.

Interesting.

[Poison]

At the very least, Poison needs to think outside of the box before I'm yeeted to avoid being completely uninformed as to who the last scum actually are. It's one thing to want to yeet someone badly, but it's another thing entirely to eschew looking for alternative realities in the case that that read is wrong.

The thing is 112, I have been looking at others and never pushed you hard early in the game, and because I looked at all the other possibilities i ended up voting towns.

You haven't looked at all the other possibilities, though. There's like 8 or 9 players left in the game and presumably 2 wolves.

Yes of course but they had their towniness from my Pov while I failed to get one from yours so far in the game.

Hally is town in my opinion.
Ash is spewed town also did a lot of towny thing.
I don't know about epi or how to read them.
Nook is towny and kinda same as the other town games I played with him.
Hmm arete idk.
And wilgy idk.

So I have 3 idks. Arete, wilgy and Epignosis. While I scum read you instead of just an idk.

You don't know how to read me either, though. We've never played together before.

Yes we didn't. But I think it's simply not a playstyle which makes me scum read you.

[112]

I'm gonna throw a tantrum.

[Poison]

I'm gonna throw a tantrum.

Instead you could /can be just towny enough to show it to me....

[Poison]

I'm just gonna go to bed actually

[112]

I'm gonna throw a tantrum.

Instead you could /can be just towny enough to show it to me....

I've done fine. Your read isn't my fault.

[112]

I'm just gonna go to bed actually

G'night!

[Ash Lael]

For me, 112, it’s because your progressions on players and particularly on Tony haven’t made a lot of sense, the way Tony treated you felt potentially partner-y (he existed with scum reads on you but always pushed other options), you make sense according to VCA, I have town cases on literally every other player in the game, and the best reason I have to say that you’re town is you scum read Vulgard at one point.

And I just don’t really think I’ve seen real desire to solve the game from you. You’re kind of casting around suspicion but not putting together a reason to think x/y is the team.

If I’m wrong, I’m sorry, but this is a process of elimination.

[112]

Lies.

Everything I've done has made perfect sense.

I loved Tony like a brother, but I could never have supported what he did.

I'm casting around suspicion in a manner that implies I'm town, not scum, clearly.

The process of elimination bids us to hang Wilgy, not me.

I'm town, guysssssss. Seriously.

[112]

I'm gonna come up with the greatest AtE ever seen in a game of Mafia, and then you'll have to yeet someone else. You'll see.

[Ash Lael]

Hally’s dearth of activity since becoming infected is making me feel better about her flipping red.

[112]

Hally’s dearth of activity since becoming infected is making me feel better about her flipping red.

I think she's gonna flip town.

[112]

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

[DrWilgy]

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Same tbh

[112]

many men
many many many many men
wish death 'pon me

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Same tbh

I'm telling mom.

[DrWilgy]

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Same tbh

I'm telling mom.

No plz, she'll ground me!

[DrWilgy]

So this game is very easy

112 - Weird Dichotomy with Hally.

Arete - On a team with Hally, not 112.

Ash Lael - Will blindly trust.

DrWilgy - Clearly scum

Epignosis - Could be scum.

Hally - My smooth brain doesn't understand mechanics, scum and will still yeet unless someone says that's a bad idea because of mechanics.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - I have no clue why I don't scum read them.

Poison Chan - Will blindly trust. IDGAF fight me. Poison can do nothing wrong in my eyes.

By that merit, you have these classifications

Will just lose if they are scum:
Nook, Ash, Poison

Want to sort Hally/112 before:
Epi, Arete

Why are they still alive:
Hally, 112

[Arete]

Arete - On a team with Hally, not 112.

I'm vaguely uncomfortable with you tying me to Hally when I think there are pretty good odds at this point of Hally flipping scum

[Hally]

daily reminder that im town

[Ash Lael]

@Wilgy - Hally dies tonight regardless, so no point lynching her.

[Hally]

i have accepted that town will probably lose this game and that i likely can do nothing to change that outcome

[Hally]

the reason im not posting is because i don’t think that it will help anything and i have nothing left to contribute, but i suggest you all do not get excited about the idea of me flipping scum

[Arete]

just going to ... go through each of my clears, I guess, and talk about why I'm clearing them/whether I think those reasons are still Good And Valid

posting this one at a time in case wolves randomly decide to kill me, for some reason? but this way I'll at least be able to get some thoughts out before EoN

Ash

why I am clearing Ash: Ash was one of the most driving forces behind the TSP wagon and was basically hardpushing him from the start of the game, TSP also seemed legitimately bothered by his push on him in a way that scum aren't usually bothered by their teammates' pushes on him and spent a fair amount of time trying to discredit it. Without Ash TSP ?probably? wouldn't have even been a major wagon on D1.

do I think this is still valid: yes, I do. while obviously bussing is a known phenomenon that exists, I doubt that Ash (who as I understand it is relatively less experienced)? would immediately hard-bus a more experienced partner. additionally, TSP's spew is a good look for him -- TSP spends the most time trying to discredit TSP's scumread on him out of any of the people that had been pushing him.

112

why I am clearing 112: I thought the thing where she came into the thread and immediately started calling the most consensus villagers wolves was a good look, I didn't think a wolf was likely to do that. Also, I thought the ways in which Tony hedged on her were most likely to indicate a wolf partner TMIing her V, rather than a W/W interaction.

do I think this is still valid: ...probably not, like, these are reasons that exist but I'm not sure they're strong enough to have 112 as lock V on D4 still

idk GTH 112 is still a villager but I'm less confident in that

Nanook

why I am clearing Nanook: he "feels" like a villager, like, when I read his posts I'm like 'these feel like posts that were written by a villager and not posts that were written by a wolf.' His defense of TSP in itself is kind of WifoM but I think some aspects of how he handled it point to him being a wrong villager over him being a wolf - e.g. him clearing me for clearing TSP right after EoD1 doesn't really seem like a thing written about a partner trying to powerwolf. I ... don't really know how to explain it?

also some of his approach on D1 doesn't really feel like how a wolf would approach things, when Vul and I were dancing around each other I think a wolf with TMI that Vul and I were V/V would feel more pressure to maintain initial consistency with his early townread on me.

do I think this is still valid: ...yes but I can't really justify it? like, I would be really surprised if Nanook is a wolf here, but those don't feel like reasons that should still be valid on D4?

[Arete]

just going to ... go through each of my clears, I guess, and talk about why I'm clearing them/whether I think those reasons are still Good And Valid

posting this one at a time in case wolves randomly decide to kill me, for some reason? but this way I'll at least be able to get some thoughts out before EoN

Ash

why I am clearing Ash: Ash was one of the most driving forces behind the TSP wagon and was basically hardpushing him from the start of the game, TSP also seemed legitimately bothered by his push on him in a way that scum aren't usually bothered by their teammates' pushes on him and spent a fair amount of time trying to discredit it. Without Ash TSP ?probably? wouldn't have even been a major wagon on D1.

do I think this is still valid: yes, I do. while obviously bussing is a known phenomenon that exists, I doubt that Ash (who as I understand it is relatively less experienced)? would immediately hard-bus a more experienced partner. additionally, TSP's spew is a good look for him -- TSP spends the most time trying to discredit TSP's scumread on him out of any of the people that had been pushing him.

112

why I am clearing 112: I thought the thing where she came into the thread and immediately started calling the most consensus villagers wolves was a good look, I didn't think a wolf was likely to do that. Also, I thought the ways in which Tony hedged on her were most likely to indicate a wolf partner TMIing her V, rather than a W/W interaction.

do I think this is still valid: ...probably not, like, these are reasons that exist but I'm not sure they're strong enough to have 112 as lock V on D4 still

idk GTH 112 is still a villager but I'm less confident in that

Nanook

why I am clearing Nanook: he "feels" like a villager, like, when I read his posts I'm like 'these feel like posts that were written by a villager and not posts that were written by a wolf.' His defense of TSP in itself is kind of WifoM but I think some aspects of how he handled it point to him being a wrong villager over him being a wolf - e.g. him clearing me for clearing TSP right after EoD1 doesn't really seem like a thing written about a partner trying to powerwolf. I ... don't really know how to explain it?

also some of his approach on D1 doesn't really feel like how a wolf would approach things, when Vul and I were dancing around each other I think a wolf with TMI that Vul and I were V/V would feel more pressure to maintain initial consistency with his early townread on me.

do I think this is still valid: ...yes but I can't really justify it? like, I would be really surprised if Nanook is a wolf here, but those don't feel like reasons that should still be valid on D4?

Poison

why I am clearing Poison: people keep saying she's lock V on meta

do I think this is still valid: uhhhhh I'm pretty sure the person who's been saying that the most is Hally who I now think has a good chance of flipping scum given how they've handled today. would be interested in hearing if other people who have familiarity with Poison's meta also think Poison is lock V.

[Hally]

if, hypothetically speaking, i could choose to survive the virus, is there any value in doing that or will i just be ensuring that im eliminated next day?

[Hally]

numbers wise it probably will be worse for town if i live? so if, hypothetically speaking, i can live, i think i’ll decide against it

[Hally]

i apologize for my play this game btw. this isn’t how i wanted things to turn out but i think it’s too late to change it atp

[Epignosis]

i apologize for my play this game btw. this isn’t how i wanted things to turn out but i think it’s too late to change it atp

If 112 is good, who is bad? There are six votes on the board. Three are voting 112.

[Hally]

i apologize for my play this game btw. this isn’t how i wanted things to turn out but i think it’s too late to change it atp

If 112 is good, who is bad? There are six votes on the board. Three are voting 112.

i don’t know epi. there is no use asking me anything anymore. i’m checked out. i’m going to die. i appreciate you trying to engage with me still but it’s probably a fruiless endeavor on your part. you all will have to decide without me

[Hally]

i assure you that if i had any clue who was scum i would be pushing them right now but i don’t. so since i have nothing to add, im choosing not to speak

[Hally]

my instinct right now is that the 112 wagon looks way townier than the wilgy wagon, so i’ll probably vote there if my vote is needed to not have a tie

[Hally]

looks like arete still hasn’t voted though so there won’t be a tie

[Epignosis]

i apologize for my play this game btw. this isn’t how i wanted things to turn out but i think it’s too late to change it atp

If 112 is good, who is bad? There are six votes on the board. Three are voting 112.

i don’t know epi. there is no use asking me anything anymore. i’m checked out. i’m going to die. i appreciate you trying to engage with me still but it’s probably a fruiless endeavor on your part. you all will have to decide without me

Well hopefully you do and hopefully you're bad.

[Epignosis]

Yeah, Hally's clammed up because Hally is doomed. I'm proceeding as though that's the case.

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: 112] aubergine

[Hally]

i am not doomed but am choosing to die

i am also town

[Epignosis]

i am not doomed but am choosing to die

i am also town

I wouldn't say you're choosing anything. The choice to die was made for you.

[Hally]

i acknowledge it is irritating to have a villager roll over and die like this and i am sorry. but i don’t have it in me to do anything about it. flame me in post if you wanna

[Hally]

i am not doomed but am choosing to die

i am also town

I wouldn't say you're choosing anything. The choice to die was made for you.

incorrect

[Epignosis]

i am not doomed but am choosing to die

i am also town

I wouldn't say you're choosing anything. The choice to die was made for you.

incorrect

How do you mean?

[Hally]

i am not doomed but am choosing to die

i am also town

I wouldn't say you're choosing anything. The choice to die was made for you.

incorrect

How do you mean?

i cannot answer