Escape From Russia [GAME OVER]

[Epignosis]

i am not doomed but am choosing to die

i am also town

I wouldn't say you're choosing anything. The choice to die was made for you.

incorrect

How do you mean?

i cannot answer

[Hally]

it’s not important anyway

[Hally]

just solve like im an innocent child and hope you get lucky that 112 is scum or the second infection randomly hits scum

[Hally]

i honestly need to not multitable because i really cant handle two games at once

[112]

tbh that post by me saying tony and i were arm-in-arm should clear me

[Poison]

Lies.

Everything I've done has made perfect sense.

I loved Tony like a brother, but I could never have supported what he did.

I'm casting around suspicion in a manner that implies I'm town, not scum, clearly.

The process of elimination bids us to hang Wilgy, not me.

I'm town, guysssssss. Seriously.

cyan : That's what you did for town cred. there has not been any scum-hunting approach in your play, regardless of playstyle every town tries to scum hunt.

[Poison]

I'm gonna come up with the greatest AtE ever seen in a game of Mafia, and then you'll have to yeet someone else. You'll see.

see this is what I'm talking about, you don't really care who you vote do you? you dont care if it's town or scum, you just want to lynch anyone instead of you.

[Poison]

So this game is very easy

112 - Weird Dichotomy with Hally.

Arete - On a team with Hally, not 112.

Ash Lael - Will blindly trust.

DrWilgy - Clearly scum

Epignosis - Could be scum.

Hally - My smooth brain doesn't understand mechanics, scum and will still yeet unless someone says that's a bad idea because of mechanics.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - I have no clue why I don't scum read them.

Poison Chan - Will blindly trust. IDGAF fight me. Poison can do nothing wrong in my eyes.

By that merit, you have these classifications

Will just lose if they are scum:
Nook, Ash, Poison

Want to sort Hally/112 before:
Epi, Arete

Why are they still alive:
Hally, 112

lmao wdym I can do nothing wrong in your eyes, doc? are you pocketing me?

[Epignosis]

I'm gonna come up with the greatest AtE ever seen in a game of Mafia, and then you'll have to yeet someone else. You'll see.

see this is what I'm talking about, you don't really care who you vote do you? you dont care if it's town or scum, you just want to lynch anyone instead of you.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[Arete]

I'm gonna come up with the greatest AtE ever seen in a game of Mafia, and then you'll have to yeet someone else. You'll see.

see this is what I'm talking about, you don't really care who you vote do you? you dont care if it's town or scum, you just want to lynch anyone instead of you.

so like

I don't think this is necessarily wrong

but also ... why would a wolf ever make this post

[Poison]

just going to ... go through each of my clears, I guess, and talk about why I'm clearing them/whether I think those reasons are still Good And Valid

posting this one at a time in case wolves randomly decide to kill me, for some reason? but this way I'll at least be able to get some thoughts out before EoN

Ash

why I am clearing Ash: Ash was one of the most driving forces behind the TSP wagon and was basically hardpushing him from the start of the game, TSP also seemed legitimately bothered by his push on him in a way that scum aren't usually bothered by their teammates' pushes on him and spent a fair amount of time trying to discredit it. Without Ash TSP ?probably? wouldn't have even been a major wagon on D1.

do I think this is still valid: yes, I do. while obviously bussing is a known phenomenon that exists, I doubt that Ash (who as I understand it is relatively less experienced)? would immediately hard-bus a more experienced partner. additionally, TSP's spew is a good look for him -- TSP spends the most time trying to discredit TSP's scumread on him out of any of the people that had been pushing him.

112

why I am clearing 112: I thought the thing where she came into the thread and immediately started calling the most consensus villagers wolves was a good look, I didn't think a wolf was likely to do that. Also, I thought the ways in which Tony hedged on her were most likely to indicate a wolf partner TMIing her V, rather than a W/W interaction.

do I think this is still valid: ...probably not, like, these are reasons that exist but I'm not sure they're strong enough to have 112 as lock V on D4 still

idk GTH 112 is still a villager but I'm less confident in that

Nanook

why I am clearing Nanook: he "feels" like a villager, like, when I read his posts I'm like 'these feel like posts that were written by a villager and not posts that were written by a wolf.' His defense of TSP in itself is kind of WifoM but I think some aspects of how he handled it point to him being a wrong villager over him being a wolf - e.g. him clearing me for clearing TSP right after EoD1 doesn't really seem like a thing written about a partner trying to powerwolf. I ... don't really know how to explain it?

also some of his approach on D1 doesn't really feel like how a wolf would approach things, when Vul and I were dancing around each other I think a wolf with TMI that Vul and I were V/V would feel more pressure to maintain initial consistency with his early townread on me.

do I think this is still valid: ...yes but I can't really justify it? like, I would be really surprised if Nanook is a wolf here, but those don't feel like reasons that should still be valid on D4?

Poison

why I am clearing Poison: people keep saying she's lock V on meta

do I think this is still valid: uhhhhh I'm pretty sure the person who's been saying that the most is Hally who I now think has a good chance of flipping scum given how they've handled today. would be interested in hearing if other people who have familiarity with Poison's meta also think Poison is lock V.

so, I have done nothing more than my meta? I would say if you are reading me town only because of my meta, then you might as well null read me.

[Arete]

why is Wilgy self-voting

[Epignosis]

Assume Hally is going to die and be revealed to be mafia. She is therefore on a team with TSP.

Who is the third member?

[Epignosis]

why is Wilgy self-voting

He thumbs his nose at rules.

[Poison]

I'm gonna come up with the greatest AtE ever seen in a game of Mafia, and then you'll have to yeet someone else. You'll see.

see this is what I'm talking about, you don't really care who you vote do you? you dont care if it's town or scum, you just want to lynch anyone instead of you.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

I'm gonna come up with the greatest AtE ever seen in a game of Mafia, and then you'll have to yeet someone else. You'll see.

see this is what I'm talking about, you don't really care who you vote do you? you dont care if it's town or scum, you just want to lynch anyone instead of you.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

There isn't at the same time there is.
if a town is about to get yeeted they would try to survive while trying to find or lynch a scum.
In this scenerio, if we lynch 'anyone" which the scum would want us to do cause that mught win them the game, it wouldn't matter for them as long as they don't get yeeted instead.

[Epignosis]

I'm gonna come up with the greatest AtE ever seen in a game of Mafia, and then you'll have to yeet someone else. You'll see.

see this is what I'm talking about, you don't really care who you vote do you? you dont care if it's town or scum, you just want to lynch anyone instead of you.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

I'm gonna come up with the greatest AtE ever seen in a game of Mafia, and then you'll have to yeet someone else. You'll see.

see this is what I'm talking about, you don't really care who you vote do you? you dont care if it's town or scum, you just want to lynch anyone instead of you.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

There isn't at the same time there is.
if a town is about to get yeeted they would try to survive while trying to find or lynch a scum.
In this scenerio, if we lynch 'anyone" which the scum would want us to do cause that mught win them the game, it wouldn't matter for them as long as they don't get yeeted instead.

When I'm a civilian, I don't care who dies as long as it isn't me.

[DrWilgy]

So this game is very easy

112 - Weird Dichotomy with Hally.

Arete - On a team with Hally, not 112.

Ash Lael - Will blindly trust.

DrWilgy - Clearly scum

Epignosis - Could be scum.

Hally - My smooth brain doesn't understand mechanics, scum and will still yeet unless someone says that's a bad idea because of mechanics.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - I have no clue why I don't scum read them.

Poison Chan - Will blindly trust. IDGAF fight me. Poison can do nothing wrong in my eyes.

By that merit, you have these classifications

Will just lose if they are scum:
Nook, Ash, Poison

Want to sort Hally/112 before:
Epi, Arete

Why are they still alive:
Hally, 112

lmao wdym I can do nothing wrong in your eyes, doc? are you pocketing me?

yes

[DrWilgy]

So this game is very easy

112 - Weird Dichotomy with Hally.

Arete - On a team with Hally, not 112.

Ash Lael - Will blindly trust.

DrWilgy - Clearly scum

Epignosis - Could be scum.

Hally - My smooth brain doesn't understand mechanics, scum and will still yeet unless someone says that's a bad idea because of mechanics.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - I have no clue why I don't scum read them.

Poison Chan - Will blindly trust. IDGAF fight me. Poison can do nothing wrong in my eyes.

By that merit, you have these classifications

Will just lose if they are scum:
Nook, Ash, Poison

Want to sort Hally/112 before:
Epi, Arete

Why are they still alive:
Hally, 112

lmao wdym I can do nothing wrong in your eyes, doc? are you pocketing me?

yes

[Poison]

I'm gonna come up with the greatest AtE ever seen in a game of Mafia, and then you'll have to yeet someone else. You'll see.

see this is what I'm talking about, you don't really care who you vote do you? you dont care if it's town or scum, you just want to lynch anyone instead of you.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

I'm gonna come up with the greatest AtE ever seen in a game of Mafia, and then you'll have to yeet someone else. You'll see.

see this is what I'm talking about, you don't really care who you vote do you? you dont care if it's town or scum, you just want to lynch anyone instead of you.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

There isn't at the same time there is.
if a town is about to get yeeted they would try to survive while trying to find or lynch a scum.
In this scenerio, if we lynch 'anyone" which the scum would want us to do cause that mught win them the game, it wouldn't matter for them as long as they don't get yeeted instead.

When I'm a civilian, I don't care who dies as long as it isn't me.

would you care if you town wins or loses this game with just anyone dying who is not you?

[DrWilgy]

double post my b.

[Poison]

double post my b.

why are you voting yourself?

[DrWilgy]

why is Wilgy self-voting

He thumbs his nose at rules.

SHHH don't tell mom

[DrWilgy]

double post my b.

why are you voting yourself?

I forgot there were rules against it and was being sassy.

[Ash Lael]

I kind of hate the no-claiming rule.

On one hand I feel like any townie who could prevent their own death should do so. I also feel like a townie who demonstrated their ability to survive in certain circumstances would be all but mech-cleared In my eyes.

On the other hand clearing yourself in that way would seem to me to clearly go against the spirit of the rules.

On the other, other hand, if the situation is indeed as it has been hypothesised, it seems difficult and unfair to prevent players from discussing it.

So in conclusion, I just wish the no-claim rule wasn’t a thing and we could deal with this set of circumstances sensibly.

[Hally]

epi
poison
nook
arete

these are the players besides me who voted lc and who could possibly become infected. i would like everyone to pick the name from here that you are most confident is town (other than yourself)

[Poison]

epi
poison
nook
arete

these are the players besides me who voted lc and who could possibly become infected. i would like everyone to pick the name from here that you are most confident is town (other than yourself)

nanook

[Hally]

I kind of hate the no-claiming rule.

On one hand I feel like any townie who could prevent their own death should do so. I also feel like a townie who demonstrated their ability to survive in certain circumstances would be all but mech-cleared In my eyes.

On the other hand clearing yourself in that way would seem to me to clearly go against the spirit of the rules.

On the other, other hand, if the situation is indeed as it has been hypothesised, it seems difficult and unfair to prevent players from discussing it.

So in conclusion, I just wish the no-claim rule wasn’t a thing and we could deal with this set of circumstances sensibly.

if i survived the virus, would you treat me as mechanically cleared?

[Poison]

I kind of hate the no-claiming rule.

On one hand I feel like any townie who could prevent their own death should do so. I also feel like a townie who demonstrated their ability to survive in certain circumstances would be all but mech-cleared In my eyes.

On the other hand clearing yourself in that way would seem to me to clearly go against the spirit of the rules.

On the other, other hand, if the situation is indeed as it has been hypothesised, it seems difficult and unfair to prevent players from discussing it.

So in conclusion, I just wish the no-claim rule wasn’t a thing and we could deal with this set of circumstances sensibly.

kinda yeah, i don't like no claims either.

[Hally]

because hypothetically if i could clear myself by surviving i would do that. but if i’ll just get eliminated anyway next day it’s worse for town than if i just die

[Hally]

everyone would need to commit to locking me as town if i survive and i don’t see that happening

[Ash Lael]

I kind of hate the no-claiming rule.

On one hand I feel like any townie who could prevent their own death should do so. I also feel like a townie who demonstrated their ability to survive in certain circumstances would be all but mech-cleared In my eyes.

On the other hand clearing yourself in that way would seem to me to clearly go against the spirit of the rules.

On the other, other hand, if the situation is indeed as it has been hypothesised, it seems difficult and unfair to prevent players from discussing it.

So in conclusion, I just wish the no-claim rule wasn’t a thing and we could deal with this set of circumstances sensibly.

if i survived the virus, would you treat me as mechanically cleared?

Let’s put it this way. If you were to survive the virus that would either mean that you’re town or I have misunderstood the setup in some fundamental way.

[Ash Lael]

But at the same time that sort of clear seems inconsistent with the intent of the set up.

[Ash Lael]

everyone would need to commit to locking me as town if i survive and i don’t see that happening

Actually a thought occurs to me that makes me question my earlier conclusion.

You seem to be extremely eager to be not just widely but universally townread. Here you’re asking for *everyone* to *commit* to *locking* you. Earlier in the game you reacted strongly against even light suspicion and tinfoil.

I’m starting to wonder if there’s some special reason for this.

[Arete]

epi
poison
nook
arete

these are the players besides me who voted lc and who could possibly become infected. i would like everyone to pick the name from here that you are most confident is town (other than yourself)

Nanook

[Hally]

everyone would need to commit to locking me as town if i survive and i don’t see that happening

Actually a thought occurs to me that makes me question my earlier conclusion.

You seem to be extremely eager to be not just widely but universally townread. Here you’re asking for *everyone* to *commit* to *locking* you. Earlier in the game you reacted strongly against even light suspicion and tinfoil.

I’m starting to wonder if there’s some special reason for this.

if people won’t commit to not eliminating me next day should i survive it’s actually worse for town for me to survive than for me to die. that’s the truth. if you can’t commit than so be it

[Hally]

it’s just a simple yes or no. if you all feel you can commit to not eliminating me, i might survive. if you can’t commit there’s no point. it’s your call

[Hally]

epi
poison
nook
arete

these are the players besides me who voted lc and who could possibly become infected. i would like everyone to pick the name from here that you are most confident is town (other than yourself)

reminder to answer this

so far it’s two votes for nook

[Hally]

this isn’t some underhanded thing. im asking you all what you want so i can try to do the right thing and help in some way. that’s all

[Ash Lael]

Yeah the more I think about it the less sure I am that I can commit. Sorry. There’s just too much potential for the mechanics of the game to work differently than I might expect.

I feel pretty confident in all of nook, poison and Arete.

[Hally]

Yeah the more I think about it the less sure I am that I can commit. Sorry. There’s just too much potential for the mechanics of the game to work differently than I might expect.

I feel pretty confident in all of nook, poison and Arete.

ok. can you pick just one?

[Ash Lael]

I guess I’ll go with nook as well.

[Hally]

ok, three votes for nook

if anyone strongly objects to nook being the most trusted of those four, please speak up

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

just going to ... go through each of my clears, I guess, and talk about why I'm clearing them/whether I think those reasons are still Good And Valid

posting this one at a time in case wolves randomly decide to kill me, for some reason? but this way I'll at least be able to get some thoughts out before EoN

Ash

why I am clearing Ash: Ash was one of the most driving forces behind the TSP wagon and was basically hardpushing him from the start of the game, TSP also seemed legitimately bothered by his push on him in a way that scum aren't usually bothered by their teammates' pushes on him and spent a fair amount of time trying to discredit it. Without Ash TSP ?probably? wouldn't have even been a major wagon on D1.

do I think this is still valid: yes, I do. while obviously bussing is a known phenomenon that exists, I doubt that Ash (who as I understand it is relatively less experienced)? would immediately hard-bus a more experienced partner. additionally, TSP's spew is a good look for him -- TSP spends the most time trying to discredit TSP's scumread on him out of any of the people that had been pushing him.

112

why I am clearing 112: I thought the thing where she came into the thread and immediately started calling the most consensus villagers wolves was a good look, I didn't think a wolf was likely to do that. Also, I thought the ways in which Tony hedged on her were most likely to indicate a wolf partner TMIing her V, rather than a W/W interaction.

do I think this is still valid: ...probably not, like, these are reasons that exist but I'm not sure they're strong enough to have 112 as lock V on D4 still

idk GTH 112 is still a villager but I'm less confident in that

Nanook

why I am clearing Nanook: he "feels" like a villager, like, when I read his posts I'm like 'these feel like posts that were written by a villager and not posts that were written by a wolf.' His defense of TSP in itself is kind of WifoM but I think some aspects of how he handled it point to him being a wrong villager over him being a wolf - e.g. him clearing me for clearing TSP right after EoD1 doesn't really seem like a thing written about a partner trying to powerwolf. I ... don't really know how to explain it?

also some of his approach on D1 doesn't really feel like how a wolf would approach things, when Vul and I were dancing around each other I think a wolf with TMI that Vul and I were V/V would feel more pressure to maintain initial consistency with his early townread on me.

do I think this is still valid: ...yes but I can't really justify it? like, I would be really surprised if Nanook is a wolf here, but those don't feel like reasons that should still be valid on D4?

If they’re valid d2 they’re valid D4. Reasons to TR someone don’t lose validity over time, they either get outweighed by reasons to scumread them or they don’t.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Hally surviving wouldn’t make her any more or less town than she already is. Poisoner being town means being able to self heal isn’t an AI thing.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Actually it would confirm Hally mafia as there are only three roles in the game lmao

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Like there’s a small chance all three roles are town but like

Town unaware conditional poisoner...town doc...town [something with a self heal] is pretty ????

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

And if there’s actually more than three we just blame GMan for running a secret bastard game kek

[112]

I'm gonna come up with the greatest AtE ever seen in a game of Mafia, and then you'll have to yeet someone else. You'll see.

see this is what I'm talking about, you don't really care who you vote do you? you dont care if it's town or scum, you just want to lynch anyone instead of you.

I don't see how you gather that.

[112]

At the same time, yeah, from my POV anyone else has an infinitely better chance of flipping scum than I do.

[DrWilgy]

At the same time, yeah, from my POV anyone else has an infinitely better chance of flipping scum than I do.

Thats what scum would say