Escape From Russia [GAME OVER]

[112]

At the same time, yeah, from my POV anyone else has an infinitely better chance of flipping scum than I do.

Thats what scum would say

yer damn right

i'm soooooooooo mafia

seriously can't believe you guy haven't chopped me yet i'm the most obvious mafia that ever mafia'd

you guys are too good

when i flip scum, which i undoubtedly will, i hope you celebrate the astounding achievement in brain power that led to my ejection

i'm gonna flip the darkest shade of red

[112]

no matter how I look at the game, there's at least one player I thought was pretty clear townie at one point who's actually scum

wilgy's always been in my PoE, but everyone else has been outside of it at some point

[Hally]

i highly doubt 112 is scum

[Hally]

it’s probably wilgy/epi with an outside chance that nook is mafia somehow

[Hally]

or maybe it’s just arete and thats why ted died

[Hally]

yea ok i still have no idea

[Hally]

112 is town though

[Epignosis]

All right.

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

[Hally]

At the same time, yeah, from my POV anyone else has an infinitely better chance of flipping scum than I do.

Thats what scum would say

yer damn right

i'm soooooooooo mafia

seriously can't believe you guy haven't chopped me yet i'm the most obvious mafia that ever mafia'd

you guys are too good

when i flip scum, which i undoubtedly will, i hope you celebrate the astounding achievement in brain power that led to my ejection

i'm gonna flip the darkest shade of red

idk like i would be very surprised if this is a scum post

and 112’s posting generally looks like “i know im gonna flip town and am laughing at everyone” which is pretty hard to fake as scum. like she’s clowning on us because we have the audacity to think she wouldn’t be town

[Hally]

[VOTE: wilgy] aubergine

[Hally]

idk maybe im the one getting clowned but i buy 112’s posting more than wilgy’s

[Hally]

watch me be completely wrong lol

[Hally]

now nobody will wanna yeet wilgy because lockscum hally is voting there gasp

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Hally is sorta kinda almost claiming a way to survive in a game with mod-confirmed only three PRs and two flipped town PRs

Do you guys think town has three PRs? Do you think Hally claims a way to survive if she’s doesn’t have it? Do you think if she does have it she ever doesn’t use it if she’s mafia?

By far the safest play today is to TK Hally, if she’s mafia it makes sure she dies, if she’s town we don’t actually lose anything.

[Epignosis]

Hally is sorta kinda almost claiming a way to survive in a game with mod-confirmed only three PRs and two flipped town PRs

Do you guys think town has three PRs? Do you think Hally claims a way to survive if she’s doesn’t have it? Do you think if she does have it she ever doesn’t use it if she’s mafia?

By far the safest play today is to TK Hally, if she’s mafia it makes sure she dies, if she’s town we don’t actually lose anything.

"Heads I win, tails you lose."

[Poison]

What is happening!? Although I'm too tired to stay awake would wake up early tomorrow am hour before EOd

[Hally]

nook why would i say anything at all about it if im mafia

if i was mafia and could do it i wouldn’t ask i would just do it lol

[Hally]

we shouldnt even talk about it though. i shouldnt even have brought it up

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

You have to have some explanation for why you’re alive

Same thing applies to if you’re town tbh, not really a good thing to talk about and probably pretty close to a modkill

[Hally]

im not surviving the virus anyway so dw about it

[DrWilgy]

My read on nook has shifted.

[DrWilgy]

By far the safest play today is to TK Hally, if she’s mafia it makes sure she dies, if she’s town we don’t actually lose anything.

Bad take

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Why are you booing me I’m right dot png

[DrWilgy]

Yeeting Hally sounds like a net loss of information and a misuse of time imo.

Still think we need to resolve 112/Hally and then go from there.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

It’s neither of those things

[Arete]

take:

we're a few hours from EoD and no one cares about the wagons, like, at all

take 2: if Mafia is being wagoned and Hally is not a wolf then the Mafia are close enough to winning that someone would ?probably? care (somewhat complicated due to the RNG aspect of who dies from the extra LC poison)

additional bonus take: if a wolf was on the LC wagon (so, Epi, Poison, Nanook, Hally) they would care especially much about keeping Wilgy alive because they can't guarantee their own survival to the poison effect but they can guarantee Wilgy's survival (n.b. the only living off-wagon players were Wilgy, Ash, and 112)

from this I'm concluding that the threadstate points strongly to Wilgy being town, and more weakly to 112 being town (that one is sketchier because 112 technically isn't top wagon, so Mafia would only need to maintain the status quo to avoid a wolf elim)

(***possible exception: if Hally is a wolf they're less likely to try to push agenda today due to the thing where they're dying)

'Arete is that just Dadv but with more words' yes but I don't think I'm wrong

the issue I'm having is that I don't really find the players-not-being-wagoned to be especially wolfy

Epi isn't a current wagon and is getting a pass for no clear reason so that could maybe be a hit? but I'm not, like, confident of that

I just don't really think Wilgy is a hit right now

[Arete]

[VOTE: Epi] aubergine

[Arete]

still wondering if anyone not named Hally can confirm that Poison is lock V from meta

[Hally]

still wondering if anyone not named Hally can confirm that Poison is lock V from meta

i mean, ted said that and then died and flipped town. don’t take my word for it lol

[Hally]

take:

we're a few hours from EoD and no one cares about the wagons, like, at all

take 2: if Mafia is being wagoned and Hally is not a wolf then the Mafia are close enough to winning that someone would ?probably? care (somewhat complicated due to the RNG aspect of who dies from the extra LC poison)

additional bonus take: if a wolf was on the LC wagon (so, Epi, Poison, Nanook, Hally) they would care especially much about keeping Wilgy alive because they can't guarantee their own survival to the poison effect but they can guarantee Wilgy's survival (n.b. the only living off-wagon players were Wilgy, Ash, and 112)

from this I'm concluding that the threadstate points strongly to Wilgy being town, and more weakly to 112 being town (that one is sketchier because 112 technically isn't top wagon, so Mafia would only need to maintain the status quo to avoid a wolf elim)

(***possible exception: if Hally is a wolf they're less likely to try to push agenda today due to the thing where they're dying)

'Arete is that just Dadv but with more words' yes but I don't think I'm wrong

the issue I'm having is that I don't really find the players-not-being-wagoned to be especially wolfy

Epi isn't a current wagon and is getting a pass for no clear reason so that could maybe be a hit? but I'm not, like, confident of that

I just don't really think Wilgy is a hit right now

idk if this is a correct take but i think it’s a towny one

[Arete]

me: Ash is locktown for his push on TSP

also me: but what if he was bussing tho

[Hally]

me: Ash is locktown for his push on TSP

also me: but what if he was bussing tho

ash very much favors power wolfing i think. his push on tony should be clearing

[Epignosis]

take:

we're a few hours from EoD and no one cares about the wagons, like, at all

take 2: if Mafia is being wagoned and Hally is not a wolf then the Mafia are close enough to winning that someone would ?probably? care (somewhat complicated due to the RNG aspect of who dies from the extra LC poison)

additional bonus take: if a wolf was on the LC wagon (so, Epi, Poison, Nanook, Hally) they would care especially much about keeping Wilgy alive because they can't guarantee their own survival to the poison effect but they can guarantee Wilgy's survival (n.b. the only living off-wagon players were Wilgy, Ash, and 112)

from this I'm concluding that the threadstate points strongly to Wilgy being town, and more weakly to 112 being town (that one is sketchier because 112 technically isn't top wagon, so Mafia would only need to maintain the status quo to avoid a wolf elim)

(***possible exception: if Hally is a wolf they're less likely to try to push agenda today due to the thing where they're dying)

'Arete is that just Dadv but with more words' yes but I don't think I'm wrong

the issue I'm having is that I don't really find the players-not-being-wagoned to be especially wolfy

Epi isn't a current wagon and is getting a pass for no clear reason so that could maybe be a hit? but I'm not, like, confident of that

I just don't really think Wilgy is a hit right now

idk if this is a correct take but i think it’s a towny one

It's a bunch of words that say nothing.

"I don't think Wilgy is a hit right now."

So just when would Wilgy be a hit?

[VOTE: Arete] aubergine

[Ash Lael]

At the same time, yeah, from my POV anyone else has an infinitely better chance of flipping scum than I do.

Thats what scum would say

yer damn right

i'm soooooooooo mafia

seriously can't believe you guy haven't chopped me yet i'm the most obvious mafia that ever mafia'd

you guys are too good

when i flip scum, which i undoubtedly will, i hope you celebrate the astounding achievement in brain power that led to my ejection

i'm gonna flip the darkest shade of red

idk like i would be very surprised if this is a scum post

and 112’s posting generally looks like “i know im gonna flip town and am laughing at everyone” which is pretty hard to fake as scum. like she’s clowning on us because we have the audacity to think she wouldn’t be town

How is that hard to fake as scum?

“Haha I’m town and you people are going to look so stupid” is, like, the easiest genre of post for a caught wolf to make.

What’s difficult is “here’s why one of these supposedly locktown people actually isn’t”, which a PoE’d villager can do without much trouble if they have good reason to think the PoE is wrong. But it’s hard for a wolf because they can see all the good reasons for townclearing people are indeed good reasons.

So far I’ve seen nothing like that from 112.

[Arete]

take:

we're a few hours from EoD and no one cares about the wagons, like, at all

take 2: if Mafia is being wagoned and Hally is not a wolf then the Mafia are close enough to winning that someone would ?probably? care (somewhat complicated due to the RNG aspect of who dies from the extra LC poison)

additional bonus take: if a wolf was on the LC wagon (so, Epi, Poison, Nanook, Hally) they would care especially much about keeping Wilgy alive because they can't guarantee their own survival to the poison effect but they can guarantee Wilgy's survival (n.b. the only living off-wagon players were Wilgy, Ash, and 112)

from this I'm concluding that the threadstate points strongly to Wilgy being town, and more weakly to 112 being town (that one is sketchier because 112 technically isn't top wagon, so Mafia would only need to maintain the status quo to avoid a wolf elim)

(***possible exception: if Hally is a wolf they're less likely to try to push agenda today due to the thing where they're dying)

'Arete is that just Dadv but with more words' yes but I don't think I'm wrong

the issue I'm having is that I don't really find the players-not-being-wagoned to be especially wolfy

Epi isn't a current wagon and is getting a pass for no clear reason so that could maybe be a hit? but I'm not, like, confident of that

I just don't really think Wilgy is a hit right now

idk if this is a correct take but i think it’s a towny one

It's a bunch of words that say nothing.

"I don't think Wilgy is a hit right now."

So just when would Wilgy be a hit?

[VOTE: Arete] aubergine

that's ... what even is that interpretation of my sentence

right now, I don't think Wilgy is a hit. this is not a product of what time it is, it's a statement of my current read on him. as in, the read I have on him right now. this really seems like the obvious interpretation of my post??

[Ash Lael]

still wondering if anyone not named Hally can confirm that Poison is lock V from meta

I’ve only seen her town game (g9). She’s seemed completely in line with that and independently appeared towny to me, but I admit to doing a bit of sheeping as well that she couldn’t play this game as wolf.

[Arete]

like, I have trouble seeing how a reasonable native speaker of English* would interpret my sentence like that

and it kinda feels like you picked out a random line from my post and completely ignored my actual argument so that you could vote me and have a reason other than OMGUS

because the reason you're presenting does not make sense

*I don't know if you're a native English speaker, if you're not then I'm sorry and I'm not trying to insult you

[Epignosis]

like, I have trouble seeing how a reasonable native speaker of English* would interpret my sentence like that

and it kinda feels like you picked out a random line from my post and completely ignored my actual argument so that you could vote me and have a reason other than OMGUS

because the reason you're presenting does not make sense

*I don't know if you're a native English speaker, if you're not then I'm sorry and I'm not trying to insult you

Native English speaker?

I'll do you one better.

I'm an English teacher.

[Poison]

Good morning!

[Hally]

take:

we're a few hours from EoD and no one cares about the wagons, like, at all

take 2: if Mafia is being wagoned and Hally is not a wolf then the Mafia are close enough to winning that someone would ?probably? care (somewhat complicated due to the RNG aspect of who dies from the extra LC poison)

additional bonus take: if a wolf was on the LC wagon (so, Epi, Poison, Nanook, Hally) they would care especially much about keeping Wilgy alive because they can't guarantee their own survival to the poison effect but they can guarantee Wilgy's survival (n.b. the only living off-wagon players were Wilgy, Ash, and 112)

from this I'm concluding that the threadstate points strongly to Wilgy being town, and more weakly to 112 being town (that one is sketchier because 112 technically isn't top wagon, so Mafia would only need to maintain the status quo to avoid a wolf elim)

(***possible exception: if Hally is a wolf they're less likely to try to push agenda today due to the thing where they're dying)

'Arete is that just Dadv but with more words' yes but I don't think I'm wrong

the issue I'm having is that I don't really find the players-not-being-wagoned to be especially wolfy

Epi isn't a current wagon and is getting a pass for no clear reason so that could maybe be a hit? but I'm not, like, confident of that

I just don't really think Wilgy is a hit right now

idk if this is a correct take but i think it’s a towny one

It's a bunch of words that say nothing.

"I don't think Wilgy is a hit right now."

So just when would Wilgy be a hit?

[VOTE: Arete] aubergine

yes, but it shows a lot of thought. even if the conclusion os not that extraordinary, the process used to get there looks towny

[Ash Lael]

like, I have trouble seeing how a reasonable native speaker of English* would interpret my sentence like that

and it kinda feels like you picked out a random line from my post and completely ignored my actual argument so that you could vote me and have a reason other than OMGUS

because the reason you're presenting does not make sense

*I don't know if you're a native English speaker, if you're not then I'm sorry and I'm not trying to insult you

Native English speaker?

I'll do you one better.

I'm an English teacher.

Ok, so

Why is Arete a wolf?

[Poison]

like, I have trouble seeing how a reasonable native speaker of English* would interpret my sentence like that

and it kinda feels like you picked out a random line from my post and completely ignored my actual argument so that you could vote me and have a reason other than OMGUS

because the reason you're presenting does not make sense

*I don't know if you're a native English speaker, if you're not then I'm sorry and I'm not trying to insult you

Native English speaker?

I'll do you one better.

I'm an English teacher.

So so so how to improve grammar, sir?

[Hally]

At the same time, yeah, from my POV anyone else has an infinitely better chance of flipping scum than I do.

Thats what scum would say

yer damn right

i'm soooooooooo mafia

seriously can't believe you guy haven't chopped me yet i'm the most obvious mafia that ever mafia'd

you guys are too good

when i flip scum, which i undoubtedly will, i hope you celebrate the astounding achievement in brain power that led to my ejection

i'm gonna flip the darkest shade of red

idk like i would be very surprised if this is a scum post

and 112’s posting generally looks like “i know im gonna flip town and am laughing at everyone” which is pretty hard to fake as scum. like she’s clowning on us because we have the audacity to think she wouldn’t be town

How is that hard to fake as scum?

“Haha I’m town and you people are going to look so stupid” is, like, the easiest genre of post for a caught wolf to make.

What’s difficult is “here’s why one of these supposedly locktown people actually isn’t”, which a PoE’d villager can do without much trouble if they have good reason to think the PoE is wrong. But it’s hard for a wolf because they can see all the good reasons for townclearing people are indeed good reasons.

So far I’ve seen nothing like that from 112.

ok just ignore me then

[Poison]

Are we tying to make it a no lynch?

[Ash Lael]

Like even if you think Arete is a wolf protecting her partner Wilgy, the correct thing to do in that circumstance is flip Wilgy.

[Arete]

like, I have trouble seeing how a reasonable native speaker of English* would interpret my sentence like that

and it kinda feels like you picked out a random line from my post and completely ignored my actual argument so that you could vote me and have a reason other than OMGUS

because the reason you're presenting does not make sense

*I don't know if you're a native English speaker, if you're not then I'm sorry and I'm not trying to insult you

Native English speaker?

I'll do you one better.

I'm an English teacher.

then presumably you should have been able to use context clues to figure out that my sentence was narrating my present state of mind rather than implying Wilgy's alignment would be different depending on when we flipped him!

[Poison]

Like even if you think Arete is a wolf protecting her partner Wilgy, the correct thing to do in that circumstance is flip Wilgy.

I mean if epi is scum reading arete only based on that line wilgy - arete is probably w/w to them or I'm missing something.

[Hally]

i don’t think its reasonable to say aretes post is “a lot of words that say nothing.” it’s not. it may be a bit of a convoluted thought process but the process is clearly there and they do actually reach a conclusion. it’s a bit lazy to just dismiss the whole post as saying nothing

like idk, ime that sort if post is villagery. villagers often post stuff that’s like... messy like that because organic thoughts are sometimes messy. but i think it’s the kind of post a wolf doesn’t really fake usually

[Poison]

still wondering if anyone not named Hally can confirm that Poison is lock V from meta

Arete seriously try to read me out of the meta I'm pretty sure you can come to conclusions without the meta.

[Hally]

like, i think it’s a very waterfall-y organic post that shows arete didn’t write it with a specific purpose or agenda in mind. i believe it’s a thing arete would think as town