The Hobbit Mafia: Day 12

[thellama73]

At the time I voted, MP, Faraday, and Daisy all had two votes. I was the one who broke the tie that put MP in the lead. Do you think his teammate would have done that?

I don't. Which is why I'm not voting for you today.

[Dom]

Also, another form of distancing is throwing your teammate under the bus. I wonder if we there's at least one of MP's teammates in those 6 that voted for him.

An interesting thought.

Turnip Head (18), Hedgeowl (19), juliets (20), Captain Bunny Killer (21), kneel4justice (23), Epignosis (24) 25%

I don't believe Rob and MP were on a team (if they were, they would have won by now) and TH and Hedgeowl's votes would have been too risky for teammates, but you may be onto something with juliets, CBK or K4J.

K4J would be interesting given that K4J kind of started some of the talk about MP...

[Marmot]

Hey llama, I do think I see another possibility in your hypothesis about the baddies missing their actions. If no one ends up being insanified today (another role on the odd team), it could offer a little more proof.

[thellama73]

Hey llama, I do think I see another possibility in your hypothesis about the baddies missing their actions. If no one ends up being insanified today (another role on the odd team), it could offer a little more proof.

I love it when a plan comes together.

Fight with Dom more. You guys are still top of my list.

[Marmot]

Hey llama, I do think I see another possibility in your hypothesis about the baddies missing their actions. If no one ends up being insanified today (another role on the odd team), it could offer a little more proof.

I love it when a plan comes together.

Fight with Dom more. You guys are still top of my list.

That's nice.

[thellama73]

Hey llama, I do think I see another possibility in your hypothesis about the baddies missing their actions. If no one ends up being insanified today (another role on the odd team), it could offer a little more proof.

I love it when a plan comes together.

Fight with Dom more. You guys are still top of my list.

That's nice.

I don't see any reason to be sarcastic.

[Marmot]

And I don't see any reason why I'm at the top of your list.

[Epignosis]

Snow Dog only brought up two names on Day 1. MP was the first one:

Another mafia game another first lynch vote. I am not "pinged" by anyone in particular at the moment. MP is maybe posting less than usual but I don't know if that is suspicious in itself.

Then MP starts posting more, and Snow Dog says:

MP is now, imo, posting much ore as I am accustomed. No HUGE posts yet though.

It is significant that this comes right after MP dug his own grave (with my spade) by talking about his "baddie game" and "civvie game" being the same vocal style.

Given the number of missing voters, there was still a chance MP could have been saved. And given how much of an epic fail the "under the bus" method worked for MP in Pokemon, I think MP would have advised his team against taking that approach.

[thellama73]

And I don't see any reason why I'm at the top of your list.

Because you still have the most posts with the least content.

[DFaraday]

I think there might be something to the Daisy/MP thing, but I'd like to hear more from Daisy before coming to a conclusion.

I think Hedge is being normal Hedge.

Nonplussed means "confused", so it seemed to me like TH used it correctly.

[Mongoose]

I think if MP was distancing from any of his teammates yesterday, that his vote for Daisy stands out the most. It wasn't based on much, and Daisy seemed particularly nonplussed by it, and I don't see him voting for his significant other on Day 1 without some kind of ulterior motive. MP is usually pretty good at explaining his thought process, but his quick vote for Daisy seemed... exploitative, almost. Like he had come up with just enough reason to mention her and throw a vote on her.

I thought about this too, and I think it's a really good point. He knew she was in no danger of being lynched, so a vote on her was totally safe.

Yeah, but she hadn't said anything remotely pingy, let alone damning. Was he trying to pull off a forced "random vote"?

I don't understand that, and I won't respond to it.

That seems better than asking for clarification.

What I was trying to posit was that Daisy didn't really say anything to merit a vote out of anyone, even for Day 1 (in my opinion). But ya gotta vote for someone, so based on a trumped up reason, he voted for her. He didn't randomly vote her, but he may as well have, which is why I put "random vote" in quotation marks.

[thellama73]

What I was trying to posit was that Daisy didn't really say anything to merit a vote out of anyone, even for Day 1 (in my opinion). But ya gotta vote for someone, so based on a trumped up reason, he voted for her. He didn't randomly vote her, but he may as well have, which is why I put "random vote" in quotation marks.

So ar you saying you think it was distancing or you don't think it was distancing? I can't understand what point you are trying to make here.

[Mongoose]

What I was trying to posit was that Daisy didn't really say anything to merit a vote out of anyone, even for Day 1 (in my opinion). But ya gotta vote for someone, so based on a trumped up reason, he voted for her. He didn't randomly vote her, but he may as well have, which is why I put "random vote" in quotation marks.

So ar you saying you think it was distancing or you don't think it was distancing? I can't understand what point you are trying to make here.

The former. I am not sure he'd be so brazen though.

[Dom]

You think voting someone who had almost zero chance of being lynched for almost no reason at all was "brazen"?

[Mongoose]

You think voting someone who had almost zero chance of being lynched for almost no reason at all was "brazen"?

Yes, but not because of the lynch chance, but because it tips his hand (and made some of us infer they were teamies).

[Turnip Head]

What's interesting to note is that Vompatti also voted for Spacedaisy, on MP's command... scandalous

[FZ.]

The quick on the feet thing only applies to thinking of clever jokes, making up appropriate in-character responses, etc. When you're on stage if someone makes a reference to something you don't know, you can't run off to the side and start Google it. You just make something up instead, something that at least sounds realistic.

I feel like that accurately summarizes my mafia strategy.

You were annoyed with Julliets' post last day, and then you got some votes for it. You just disappeared and said nothing about it. I did find the reasoning behind voting for you strange, but the fact you have said nothing about it, at least as far as I could see, pinges me as well

linki:@ I already told you last day, Vompatti's vote was suspicious, and the way he explained his vote was even more suspicious

[thellama73]

You think voting someone who had almost zero chance of being lynched for almost no reason at all was "brazen"?

Yeah, I'd say it was more "gilt."

[Captain Bunny Killer]

I think there might be something to the Daisy/MP thing, but I'd like to hear more from Daisy before coming to a conclusion....[/ot]

She's at work and then we might go to the gym.

I've been catching up after an exhausting weekend and thinking through everything. There are at least 3 baddie categories of suspicion to me: the mastermind, the chatty or semi-chatty fumbler, and the silent ones. The first takes long observation (and I often overthink and mistake in this category), the second is the most handy to have around, and the third... yeah I don't know. If Daisy falls into the third, I'd need other evidence than MP voting for her. The problem is his vote for her by itself would be easy to defend on day 1 whether or not she's bad or a teammate.

Anyway, I felt like MP fell into the second for his overall changing suspicion as often as his socks, but I didn't push it that early based on my past mistakes with him. I see I was listed as potentially being a throw-him-under-the-bus teammate. The problem is that 4th voter with several other 2-vote options to balance doesn't work. I voted for him because it was my best suspicion and I don't like random voting.

[FZ.]

No death is great news!

For me, I found FZ's behavior when the lynch was going down, really weird. Usually we see eye to eye, feel the same way about situations but that couldn't have been farther from what happened. Her unwillingness to lynch MP along with her paranoia to the end just seemed strange. I don't necessarily think that would be on the same team, I think FZ would have cut ties with him (although I'm not sure what she would do on this site as opposed to our home site, I play a different scum game here). But I should have at least been able to feel a bit of paranoia similar to hers at the end of the lynch, perhaps it was because I wasn't here for everything to go down live? But she's caught my eye.

I also believe MP defended INH, who I was already suspicious of, and that could be a possible teammate of his.
However, something worth noting is both Reyas and Snowdog agreed (found here) with me in the way that it felt they were hopping on a suspicion without really doing anything. I can't necessarily fault them for agreeing, because I think I had a good point, but it stuck out to me.

While MP was bad, I was surprised to see Dom mention me when he voted for MP. It wasn't really needed, perhaps if Dom is on one team and didn't know if MP was bad he wanted something to fall back on. I'm not sure. Perhaps him agreeing with me is good though, I don't think we usually do, and I think I've only played with him when he's been a baddie or independent. That post can be found here.

Anyways, that is what caught my eye.

yeah, that's not what I was doing. I wasn't "hopping on a suspicion" at all. I was agreeing that INH's reaction to juliets was extreme...not that he was suspicious for it. I didn't get the feeling that you were suspicious of him for it either tbh.

This feels a little like backpedaling. Also, all I see from you is defending yourself, but no actual suspicions. Doesn't sit well with me.



This catching up is hard. Stop talking so much, people

[thellama73]

Did anybody like my metal joke?

[FZ.]

llama, I saw you say that MM has the most posts that are off topic and non helpful or something like that. Have you seen Reywas' posts? I'd say that qualifies as non helpful posts

[thellama73]

llama, I saw you say that MM has the most posts that are off topic and non helpful or something like that. Have you seen Reywas' posts? I'd say that qualifies as non helpful posts

Good point, but I was referring to the people who missed the night poll, and who, in my estimation, are most likely to have forgotten to send in their PM. I think the killer forgot to send in their PM.

[Turnip Head]

I think Llama thinks the killer forgot to send in their PM.

[thellama73]

I think Llama thinks the killer forgot to send in their PM.

Where did you get that idea from!? Stop putting words in my mouth!

[FZ.]

I think if MP was distancing from any of his teammates yesterday, that his vote for Daisy stands out the most. It wasn't based on much, and Daisy seemed particularly nonplussed by it, and I don't see him voting for his significant other on Day 1 without some kind of ulterior motive. MP is usually pretty good at explaining his thought process, but his quick vote for Daisy seemed... exploitative, almost. Like he had come up with just enough reason to mention her and throw a vote on her.

This could be true. There's always a chance she could get another vote from other players, thus he would be risking her, but since his reasoning for that vote was so far fetched, following him on that would just make that person look bad. Then there's Vompatti, who voted for her, and you already know what I think about that vote, so if she was working with MP, he could be on the other team.


linki:@ Oh yeah, okay. I forgot it was from the non voters. I was just reading Rey's posts and thinking what the hell. As for the missing PMs, no one answered me, but can't the other players in the team send the night action for their team mate in case they are not around? That's how it works on K-site.


Damn, I need to go. I'll try to stop by before I go to sleep. I still want to say a lot of things before I leave for so long

[Elohcin]

The following people didn't vote in the night poll:
birdwithteeth
Elohcin
Flyin' High
Kyle
MetalMarsh.

I am going to do a reread of all these players, because I still think my no vote=no kill analysis is correct.

I also looked at MP's posts again, and I don't think his suspicion of FZ was distancing. I think he saw an opportunity to pounce on her statement about contest participation being suspicious, and took it. Not sure about Dom and Boogs yet.

That narrows my vote today down to one of seven people.

This is weird. I thought I did vote. I remember voting journal and claiming to do so in the thread. I am not sure why it didn't take.

I think if MP was distancing from any of his teammates yesterday, that his vote for Daisy stands out the most. It wasn't based on much, and Daisy seemed particularly nonplussed by it, and I don't see him voting for his significant other on Day 1 without some kind of ulterior motive. MP is usually pretty good at explaining his thought process, but his quick vote for Daisy seemed... exploitative, almost. Like he had come up with just enough reason to mention her and throw a vote on her.

I thought about this too, and I think it's a really good point. He knew she was in no danger of being lynched, so a vote on her was totally safe.

This makes sense to me, but I too would like to hear from Daisy.

[thellama73]

As for the missing PMs, no one answered me, but can't the other players in the team send the night action for their team mate in case they are not around? That's how it works on K-site.

Depends on the host. I don't know. Russ?

I know that I have been on teams before that allowed other people to send in PMs, but this sort of thing still happened because the rest of the team just assumed the killer would make it back in time, so you never know.

[Captain Bunny Killer]

Did anybody like my metal joke?

Yes

This makes sense to me, but I too would like to hear from Daisy.

She's still at work and not supposed to be, which means we may not go to the gym and I don't know what's going on.

I feel like all the distancing theories have included like half the players, so I'm looking up some other suspicious activity, whether or not it's related to MP's posts/vote.

[Marmot]

Did anybody like my metal joke?

Glad we're staying on topic.

[Bullzeye]

Wow, great call on MP there! Second game in a row I've seen a baddie die on day one and that hardly ever happens usually. I always forget to pack something, and it's usually something really important and super obvious like my phone charger. I once packed my xbox to go to uni but forgot to pack the plug and video cable so I basically had a useless box in my room for a few days. I guess that means I probably forgot to pack food.

You're being very quiet this game. I played two games with you when I started on this site, and I remember you as being a lot more vocal and perceptive. Where are you?

As you say, your experience of me is two games (plus Pokemon where you weren't around long). I seem to remember you saying this in Shawshank as well actually. Sometimes I'm vocal sometimes I'm not, it depends on a whole bunch of things like how busy I am, what mood I'm in, how late in the game it is and how many are playing (I'm always quieter at the start of big games). I have a lot going on in my life, it's keeping me away from the game even when I want to play. Doesn't mean anything though, I've been a very active baddie and a barely active civ and everything in between.

llama, I saw you say that MM has the most posts that are off topic and non helpful or something like that. Have you seen Reywas' posts? I'd say that qualifies as non helpful posts

Good point, but I was referring to the people who missed the night poll, and who, in my estimation, are most likely to have forgotten to send in their PM. I think the killer forgot to send in their PM.

I think this is a pretty risky conclusion to jump to considering we have no way of knowing for sure. I feel like a baddie team whose killer was inactive would've just sent the PM for him, I'm sure Russti would be okay with that, I've never known a host not to be. It's easy to make targets of quiet and inactive players but I would think really that someone with teammates would have more reason to try to be active so as not to let them down.

[Vompatti]

Did you hear about the monster who ate bits of metal every night?

It was his staple diet.

[thellama73]

Did anybody like my metal joke?

Glad we're staying on topic.

Are you mad at me or something? I don't like this unfriendly vibe that has developed between us. Just because you're a baddie and I'm going to vote for you (or maybe Dom) is no reason to be upset.

[Vompatti]

Did anybody like my metal joke?

Glad we're staying on topic.

Are you mad at me or something? I don't like this unfriendly vibe that has developed between us. Just because you're a baddie and I'm going to vote for you (or maybe Dom) is no reason to be upset.

I woudln't vote for Dom if I were you.

[thellama73]

Did anybody like my metal joke?

Glad we're staying on topic.

Are you mad at me or something? I don't like this unfriendly vibe that has developed between us. Just because you're a baddie and I'm going to vote for you (or maybe Dom) is no reason to be upset.

I woudln't vote for Dom if I were you.

No, you would vote for yourself or randomize.

[Mongoose]

I think this is a pretty risky conclusion to jump to considering we have no way of knowing for sure. I feel like a baddie team whose killer was inactive would've just sent the PM for him, I'm sure Russti would be okay with that, I've never known a host not to be. It's easy to make targets of quiet and inactive players but I would think really that someone with teammates would have more reason to try to be active so as not to let them down.

I like this line of thinking. For all we know, the killer(s) could have been blocked or otherwise barred from carrying out the death(s).

Vomperdoodle, you think Dom is a-okay?

[Vompatti]

Did anybody like my metal joke?

Glad we're staying on topic.

Are you mad at me or something? I don't like this unfriendly vibe that has developed between us. Just because you're a baddie and I'm going to vote for you (or maybe Dom) is no reason to be upset.

I woudln't vote for Dom if I were you.

No, you would vote for yourself or randomize.

That is correct.

[thellama73]

Mongoose is acting baddie this game, guys. I advise you all to reread her.

[Vompatti]

I think this is a pretty risky conclusion to jump to considering we have no way of knowing for sure. I feel like a baddie team whose killer was inactive would've just sent the PM for him, I'm sure Russti would be okay with that, I've never known a host not to be. It's easy to make targets of quiet and inactive players but I would think really that someone with teammates would have more reason to try to be active so as not to let them down.

I like this line of thinking. For all we know, the killer(s) could have been blocked or otherwise barred from carrying out the death(s).

Vomperdoodle, you think Dom is a-okay?

Not necessarily. I haven't got any info.

[Mongoose]

Mongoose is acting baddie this game, guys. I advise you all to reread her.

You always think that when I disagree with you.

[thellama73]

Mongoose is acting baddie this game, guys. I advise you all to reread her.

You always think that when I disagree with you.

What was that one game where I had you pegged as a baddie on Day 1 and never let up and was right? Was that Into the Woods? I can't remember.

[Mongoose]

Mongoose is acting baddie this game, guys. I advise you all to reread her.

You always think that when I disagree with you.

What was that one game where I had you pegged as a baddie on Day 1 and never let up and was right? Was that Into the Woods? I can't remember.

Mmm, no, I think it was a game on here.

[thellama73]

The point is, I was right then and I'm right now! I find this series of posts particularly telling:

Yeah, but she hadn't said anything remotely pingy, let alone damning. Was he trying to pull off a forced "random vote"?

I don't understand that, and I won't respond to it.

That seems better than asking for clarification.

What I was trying to posit was that Daisy didn't really say anything to merit a vote out of anyone, even for Day 1 (in my opinion). But ya gotta vote for someone, so based on a trumped up reason, he voted for her. He didn't randomly vote her, but he may as well have, which is why I put "random vote" in quotation marks.

So ar you saying you think it was distancing or you don't think it was distancing? I can't understand what point you are trying to make here.

The former. I am not sure he'd be so brazen though.

None of what Mongoose says here seems to contribute anything or even make sense really. I think it is her way of seeming to being doing her due civ diligence without actually doing it.

[Mongoose]

You mean walking my way through questions, trying to analyze player behavior and generally trying to participate? I'm sorry if my playstyle today isn't up to your Mensa-level standards, but I'm not trying to be nonsensical.

[thellama73]

You mean walking my way through questions, trying to analyze player behavior and generally trying to participate? I'm sorry if my playstyle today isn't up to your Mensa-level standards, but I'm not trying to be nonsensical.

I'm not a member of Mensa, and of course you're not trying to be nonsensical. You wouldn't be trying to be nonsensical as a baddie either.

[Mongoose]

You mean walking my way through questions, trying to analyze player behavior and generally trying to participate? I'm sorry if my playstyle today isn't up to your Mensa-level standards, but I'm not trying to be nonsensical.

I'm not a member of Mensa, and of course you're not trying to be nonsensical. You wouldn't be trying to be nonsensical as a baddie either.

OKay, listen up, Don Henley. If I was a baddie trying to be nonsensical, I could do it a lot better. In fact, I could make it the mother-freakin ballet of nonsensicalities.

Hey, at least I'm trying. There's a lot of absentees (albeit for good reasons) and non- and low-posters. If you have an issue with what I am saying, then just keep asking for elucidation or clarification. You say I'm playing like a lazy schlub, but you are too lazy to ask me to clarify.

[Vompatti]

Gosh.

I woudln't mind trying to be nonsensical if you know what I mean.

[Russtifinko]

As for the missing PMs, no one answered me, but can't the other players in the team send the night action for their team mate in case they are not around? That's how it works on K-site.

Depends on the host. I don't know. Russ?

I know that I have been on teams before that allowed other people to send in PMs, but this sort of thing still happened because the rest of the team just assumed the killer would make it back in time, so you never know.

In the case of a kill, I would allow teammates to send in a PM for a MIA baddie. However, I would not allow that to be done for other baddie powers. The logic is this: killing is intrinsic to being a baddie, and it is one of their two advantages/defining qualities. Other powers are roughly equivalent to civ powers, and MIA civs lose out on using their powers, so I think that baddies should do the same is only fair.

[Snow Dog]

Still here people.Will post tomorrow if I have anything to say.Andmaybe Ill post if I don't. THIS DAMNKDEYBOARD!!!!!

[Russtifinko]

Announcement:

fingersplints has generously offered to join the game. She (I think you're a she, right?) was very nice to do so, so please welcome her accordingly. She will be filling the unassigned role. She will receive gold for voting in the polls she has missed, and is immune to lynch today and to NK on Night 2.