The Hobbit Mafia: Day 12

[Snow Dog]

Metal gives me a rash.It's metallurgy

[kneel4justice]

I will check in tomorrow if I can. At least to vote but I won't have much time. I think I know who I'm voting for..but I want to see if anything changes.

Omg! Thought I missed the vote. But I'm no longer willing to vote on who I planned & don't know that I'll be able to catch up. My phone battery is 13%. Is there a punishment for not voting? I hate voting if I don't have at least an idea. Might have to go with INH. Or MP, he's the only other to catch my eye but I'm thinking that's just because he's vocal.

These posts sit right next to each other in k4j's In-Topic posts. k4j, are you able to tell us any more about whom this first post refers to? I do think it's odd that you made sure to say you wouldn't have much time when/if you came back to vote yesterday; even in your next post (20 mins before the vote) you say that you don't even know if you'll have time to catch up. What changed between Friday night when you seemed confident about your vote and Saturday where you came back to say you might not catch up, but yet you are no longer confident about the player you had in mind? You seem to have strongly changed your opinion on this player, because you were contemplating not voting at all and asking about punishments for missing the vote. But it also looks like you're saying you hadn't read the thread yet.

When I logged on, I was quickly checking to see what happened and if I should go with the vote I planned to or if I needed to look elsewhere. The person was Epi because he had been so quiet, I saw multiple posts that reminded me of the only time I have seen him as a civvie where he was building cases against people left and right. When I saw him doing that I changed my opinion a lot.

Also, another form of distancing is throwing your teammate under the bus. I wonder if we there's at least one of MP's teammates in those 6 that voted for him.

An interesting thought.

Turnip Head (18), Hedgeowl (19), juliets (20), Captain Bunny Killer (21), kneel4justice (23), Epignosis (24) 25%

I don't believe Rob and MP were on a team (if they were, they would have won by now) and TH and Hedgeowl's votes would have been too risky for teammates, but you may be onto something with juliets, CBK or K4J.

K4J would be interesting given that K4J kind of started some of the talk about MP...

And why do you care what is 'interesting'? I am confused how that matters. Either you think it's a possibility or you don't, I don't like how you chose to label it interesting this post doesn't even contain an opinion of me and you leave dots for others to draw conclusions for you instead of making your own.

[Marmot]

Did anybody like my metal joke?

Glad we're staying on topic.

Are you mad at me or something? I don't like this unfriendly vibe that has developed between us. Just because you're a baddie and I'm going to vote for you (or maybe Dom) is no reason to be upset.

Your comments have bothered me, and I did feel the urge to troll you which I did. I suddenly wish I didn't. I do feel a little bad.

I can't just ignore you though. You are after all suspicious of me for doing something Day 1 that you spent the entire X-Men game doing. I am also far from the only one. I just happened to also miss the night poll, which you seem to have dropped since I've already reexplained my absence.

[thellama73]

You mean walking my way through questions, trying to analyze player behavior and generally trying to participate? I'm sorry if my playstyle today isn't up to your Mensa-level standards, but I'm not trying to be nonsensical.

I'm not a member of Mensa, and of course you're not trying to be nonsensical. You wouldn't be trying to be nonsensical as a baddie either.

OKay, listen up, Don Henley. If I was a baddie trying to be nonsensical, I could do it a lot better. In fact, I could make it the mother-freakin ballet of nonsensicalities.

Hey, at least I'm trying. There's a lot of absentees (albeit for good reasons) and non- and low-posters. If you have an issue with what I am saying, then just keep asking for elucidation or clarification. You say I'm playing like a lazy schlub, but you are too lazy to ask me to clarify.

First of all, you misunderstood my above comment. I sad I don't believe you are trying to be nonsensical, but that doesn't somehow make you good. Baddies don't try to be nonsensical either.

Second, I never said you are playing like a lazy schlub, I said I thought you were offering the kind of phony, not-really-contributions baddies often offer to look like they are participating.

Is it me, or is everyone extra on edge this game? I am just baddie hunting. Loosen up, people!

Also, welcome Fingersplints!

[Spacedaisy]

Ok I am here and to be honest, I am a bit astounded by what I am seeing in thread. Let me gather myself and respond...

[thellama73]

Your comments have bothered me, and I did feel the urge to troll you which I did. I suddenly wish I didn't. I do feel a little bad.

I can't just ignore you though. You are after all suspicious of me for doing something Day 1 that you spent the entire X-Men game doing. I am also far from the only one. I just happened to also miss the night poll, which you seem to have dropped since I've already reexplained my absence.

I'm sorry I bothered you. I'm just trying to do my job.

I haven't dropped you not voting in the night poll. That's still the reason I suspect you more than anything. The fact that you have a legitimate excuse for missing it doesn't imply that you are good.

linki: Daisy. Would you say you are nonplussed?

[FZ.]

The point is, I was right then and I'm right now! I find this series of posts particularly telling:

I don't understand that, and I won't respond to it.

That seems better than asking for clarification.

What I was trying to posit was that Daisy didn't really say anything to merit a vote out of anyone, even for Day 1 (in my opinion). But ya gotta vote for someone, so based on a trumped up reason, he voted for her. He didn't randomly vote her, but he may as well have, which is why I put "random vote" in quotation marks.

So ar you saying you think it was distancing or you don't think it was distancing? I can't understand what point you are trying to make here.

The former. I am not sure he'd be so brazen though.

None of what Mongoose says here seems to contribute anything or even make sense really. I think it is her way of seeming to being doing her due civ diligence without actually doing it.

I actually agree with llama on this. I've been getting this strange feeling from you. It started with the Matt comment, which I was searching to see what it was related to, but found nothing. Then, all these last posts, just seem like blending in and not saying something substantial...no offense

I will check in tomorrow if I can. At least to vote but I won't have much time. I think I know who I'm voting for..but I want to see if anything changes.

Omg! Thought I missed the vote. But I'm no longer willing to vote on who I planned & don't know that I'll be able to catch up. My phone battery is 13%. Is there a punishment for not voting? I hate voting if I don't have at least an idea. Might have to go with INH. Or MP, he's the only other to catch my eye but I'm thinking that's just because he's vocal.

These posts sit right next to each other in k4j's In-Topic posts. k4j, are you able to tell us any more about whom this first post refers to? I do think it's odd that you made sure to say you wouldn't have much time when/if you came back to vote yesterday; even in your next post (20 mins before the vote) you say that you don't even know if you'll have time to catch up. What changed between Friday night when you seemed confident about your vote and Saturday where you came back to say you might not catch up, but yet you are no longer confident about the player you had in mind? You seem to have strongly changed your opinion on this player, because you were contemplating not voting at all and asking about punishments for missing the vote. But it also looks like you're saying you hadn't read the thread yet.

When I logged on, I was quickly checking to see what happened and if I should go with the vote I planned to or if I needed to look elsewhere. The person was Epi because he had been so quiet, I saw multiple posts that reminded me of the only time I have seen him as a civvie where he was building cases against people left and right. When I saw him doing that I changed my opinion a lot.

Also, another form of distancing is throwing your teammate under the bus. I wonder if we there's at least one of MP's teammates in those 6 that voted for him.

An interesting thought.

Turnip Head (18), Hedgeowl (19), juliets (20), Captain Bunny Killer (21), kneel4justice (23), Epignosis (24) 25%

I don't believe Rob and MP were on a team (if they were, they would have won by now) and TH and Hedgeowl's votes would have been too risky for teammates, but you may be onto something with juliets, CBK or K4J.

K4J would be interesting given that K4J kind of started some of the talk about MP...

And why do you care what is 'interesting'? I am confused how that matters. Either you think it's a possibility or you don't, I don't like how you chose to label it interesting this post doesn't even contain an opinion of me and you leave dots for others to draw conclusions for you instead of making your own.

Wow, I actually said the exact same thing about Epig yesterday. Before I left I said I had a player I was thinking of voting for, then when I came back and so everything he'd been saying, I said I would not vote for him but started looking for other players to vote for.
Wow, I need to think how it makes me feel about you

[Marmot]

Metal gives me a rash.It's metallurgy

Sowwys

[thellama73]

Asking "why do you care what is interesting?" is like asking "why do you enjoy what is pleasant?" It's a little hard to answer so deep a philosophical question.

[FZ.]

K4J, are you very busy these days?

[FZ.]

I was sure the person K4J intended on voting before he left was MP (when he said he knows who he's going to vote for and wanted to see what others would do) because I felt like he was the person that pinged him the most, so I thought if he was going to vote for MP all along, his late vote for him meant nothing. But now that he says he planned on voting for Epig, it changes things. His late vote could be him throwing MP under the bus when it was already pretty clear he would be the one dying.

[Marmot]

Your comments have bothered me, and I did feel the urge to troll you which I did. I suddenly wish I didn't. I do feel a little bad.

I can't just ignore you though. You are after all suspicious of me for doing something Day 1 that you spent the entire X-Men game doing. I am also far from the only one. I just happened to also miss the night poll, which you seem to have dropped since I've already reexplained my absence.

I'm sorry I bothered you. I'm just trying to do my job.

I haven't dropped you not voting in the night poll. That's still the reason I suspect you more than anything. The fact that you have a legitimate excuse for missing it doesn't imply that you are good.

linki: Daisy. Would you say you are nonplussed?

It doesn't imply either way, but you are still trying to link my absence with the missed kill because I didn't post any content on Day 1. Right?

[Marmot]

I was sure the person K4J intended on voting before he left was MP (when he said he knows who he's going to vote for and wanted to see what others would do) because I felt like he was the person that pinged him the most, so I thought if he was going to vote for MP all along, his late vote for him meant nothing. But now that he says he planned on voting for Epig, it changes things. His late vote could be him throwing MP under the bus when it was already pretty clear he would be the one dying.

So a scumslip of sorts you're thinking?

[thellama73]

It doesn't imply either way, but you are still trying to link my absence with the missed kill because I didn't post any content on Day 1. Right?

There were five absences. Two of them posted helpful content and I am reading them as civvie for now. Flyin' High has exactly one post, and BWT has exactly two. Either of them could be bad, but they might just be absent. You have been present, but not doing what I expect civs to do, so you are my number one choice. Do you think Flyin' High or BWT would be better candidates for my vote? If so, why?

[FZ.]

Okay, I'm out. I'll be back tomorrow to place my vote and then I'll be back on Saturday.


linki:@ I'm thinking that my assumption that K4J couldn't be on MP's team was wrong. And if we're looking at the list of players who voted for MP and reasonably thinking that one of the late voters could be on his team, he's my best option. Because like TH pointed out, the way he said he didn't have time to catch up, yet voted for MP even though he planned on voting for Epig, but now is saying he saw he posted good posts, doesn't make sense and seems like a lie


And now, good night

[kneel4justice]

Wow, I actually said the exact same thing about Epig yesterday. Before I left I said I had a player I was thinking of voting for, then when I came back and so everything he'd been saying, I said I would not vote for him but started looking for other players to vote for.
Wow, I need to think how it makes me feel about you

I saw you said you had your eye on someone and I wondered if it was him. Didn't see where you said it was him lol. I'm not quite sure why you're saying wow as if it's suspicious or anything.
To your other post since quoting is more difficult here, well, it wasn't MP. I stated in a post that I wasn't sure if it was him just being vocal that caught my eye so I wasn't sure enough at the point of me saying I think I knew who I would vote.

[Spacedaisy]

MP's suspicion of FZ feels made up to me, lol. I reread her 7 posts and I don't see a single trace of anything that could be construed as "insincere". MP pushed the notion a few times before settling on not finding her suspicious but continues to namedrop FZ even after that.

I think one thing baddie-MP likes to do is toss out a suspicion, then intentionally waffle on it a few times before settling on something else. It makes it look like he's actively baddie hunting when really he's running himself around in a circle.

I don't really suspect MP for saying Llama has a good gut. I tend to think MP makes those sorts of generalizations all the time. Perhaps MP has seen Llama's gut instincts pay off moreso than not. Although I am questioning his intentions behind stating it.

Spacedaisy, what do you make of the fact that MP ended up quickly turning around and voting for you?

It did not strike me as suspicious actually. It struck me as normal MP.

I wonder if this is your way of trying to look better if MP comes out a civvie

For what it's worth I'm voting Daisy

I have the benefit (or disadvantage depending on the situation) of being with MP in person. His response to realizing he was likely going to die was one of extreme frustration. If I am frank this is why I gave this response. Empathy probably, more than anything else. I've been there and it sucks. Plus I genuinely don't suspect him at this point.

MP was a goner when I posted my support of him, he was ahead by like three votes with eight minutes to go. Why would I do that if he were my teammate and was clearly going to flip bad when I could just as easily say I suspect him? This argument makes no sense. I get why you say it if you take MPs posts and vote alone, but if you consider the whole picture and how it unfolded, it does not hold water.

Also,what I think everyone should keep in mind is that I am dating MP, and when he learned he was likely going to be lynched, I witnessed first hand his reaction. To say he was upset is an understatement. We both had a very stressful time recently and had stepped away from mafia to deal with our own stuff. I don't think any of you realize how close the site came to losing him completely. So he was finally getting excited to come back and play again, getting into it again. I wasn't sure that was going to happen. So when he saw he was getting lynched on Day 1 he was livid. I don't say any of this to condemn anyone for voting for him or whatever. He was a Baddie and had to go at some point. I just want to give you perspective on why I said what I said. I would never have said anything about his reaction in person in this thread, except now to explain that my defense of him was like i said, born mostly out of empathy to what he was feeling at that moment. At that point I had no reason to suspect him,it struck me as normal MP because I know him, he kind of swings between two courses of action. Careful consideration and reckless impetuousness. Mafia can bring out that second side that he exercises with less frequency in his day to day life. So no, tossing a vote on me was not too horribly surprising to me. In fact, I wondered if I would come back to find myself lynched,not him. I'm glad he flipped bad. I still feel bad he got lynched Day 1 on his first game back after his hiatus and in a game hosted by one of his closest friends. But I am glad a Baddie role was eliminated.

Does that answer the suspicion against me adequately?

[thellama73]

Well great. Now I feel even worse about what happened to MP.

I am sorry man, but next time don't be such a baddie.

Daisy, I think you made some very strong points, enough to dissuade me from voting for you today. It is still down to MetalMarsh and Dom, who are frustratingly not going after each other at my request.

[kneel4justice]

Okay, I'm out. I'll be back tomorrow to place my vote and then I'll be back on Saturday.


linki:@ I'm thinking that my assumption that K4J couldn't be on MP's team was wrong. And if we're looking at the list of players who voted for MP and reasonably thinking that one of the late voters could be on his team, he's my best option. Because like TH pointed out, the way he said he didn't have time to catch up, yet voted for MP even though he planned on voting for Epig, but now is saying he saw he posted good posts, doesn't make sense and seems like a lie


And now, good night

I'm slowly going to lose it. Lol
Seriously, what doesn't make sense? Everything I have said has made sense. Tell me how me saying I planned for voting for Epi because he was so quiet, but changed my mind when he started posting heavily and building cases doesn't make sense. Wait, you can't because YOU'RE not making sense. How does that seem like a lie? I'm lost.
As for me not having time to catch up, I was in the car, with 13% battery, I didn't know if I was going to have time. I made it home and had about 20 minutes to skim the thread (amongst doing other things non-game related and so I made my decision).

[thellama73]

Well great. Now I feel even worse about what happened to MP.

I am sorry man, but next time don't be such a baddie.

Daisy, I think you made some very strong points, enough to dissuade me from voting for you today. It is still down to MetalMarsh and Dom, who are frustratingly not going after each other at my request.

Oh, and I almost forgot. Mongoose is on that list too now.

[kneel4justice]

K4J, are you very busy these days?

Big weekend > I'll leave what it was about up to your imagination.

[Spacedaisy]

Don't feel bad llama, if you all had not voted for him we would still have a Baddie role check in our midst. I didn't mean to make anyone feel bad. I just wanted to give some perspective so my response might make more sense.

[kneel4justice]

Ok I am here and to be honest, I am a bit astounded by what I am seeing in thread. Let me gather myself and respond...

Lmao, okaaaayyy!
I don't understand what people are saying about you though. I liked your vote on INH. How do you feel about him now?

[kneel4justice]

No death is great news!

For me, I found FZ's behavior when the lynch was going down, really weird. Usually we see eye to eye, feel the same way about situations but that couldn't have been farther from what happened. Her unwillingness to lynch MP along with her paranoia to the end just seemed strange. I don't necessarily think that would be on the same team, I think FZ would have cut ties with him (although I'm not sure what she would do on this site as opposed to our home site, I play a different scum game here). But I should have at least been able to feel a bit of paranoia similar to hers at the end of the lynch, perhaps it was because I wasn't here for everything to go down live? But she's caught my eye.

I also believe MP defended INH, who I was already suspicious of, and that could be a possible teammate of his.
However, something worth noting is both Reyas and Snowdog agreed (found here) with me in the way that it felt they were hopping on a suspicion without really doing anything. I can't necessarily fault them for agreeing, because I think I had a good point, but it stuck out to me.

While MP was bad, I was surprised to see Dom mention me when he voted for MP. It wasn't really needed, perhaps if Dom is on one team and didn't know if MP was bad he wanted something to fall back on. I'm not sure. Perhaps him agreeing with me is good though, I don't think we usually do, and I think I've only played with him when he's been a baddie or independent. That post can be found here.

Anyways, that is what caught my eye.

yeah, that's not what I was doing. I wasn't "hopping on a suspicion" at all. I was agreeing that INH's reaction to juliets was extreme...not that he was suspicious for it. I didn't get the feeling that you were suspicious of him for it either tbh.

Well, how can I suspect someone with that icon?

Anyways....is it true that MP doesn't defend teammates like Dom is saying?

[Epignosis]

I find my reputation among the K-Siters rather amusing.

[Dom]

As for the missing PMs, no one answered me, but can't the other players in the team send the night action for their team mate in case they are not around? That's how it works on K-site.

Depends on the host. I don't know. Russ?

I know that I have been on teams before that allowed other people to send in PMs, but this sort of thing still happened because the rest of the team just assumed the killer would make it back in time, so you never know.

Or perhaps everyone kind of just lacked initiative

And why do you care what is 'interesting'? I am confused how that matters. Either you think it's a possibility or you don't, I don't like how you chose to label it interesting this post doesn't even contain an opinion of me and you leave dots for others to draw conclusions for you instead of making your own.

...maybe because I hadn't made my own conclusion of of yet? Maybe I wanted to garner discussion by pointing out something that seemed off to me, but I hadn't quite figured it out yet and wanted other people's input because this is my only medium to get others' input. Do you have methods of doing this without consulting the thread? But I think I may have made a conclusion now.

[Marmot]

Well great. Now I feel even worse about what happened to MP.

I am sorry man, but next time don't be such a baddie.

Daisy, I think you made some very strong points, enough to dissuade me from voting for you today. It is still down to MetalMarsh and Dom, who are frustratingly not going after each other at my request.

Making you happy wasn't on my agenda. Not that I don't want such a thing, but that is such an odd reques don't you think.

[Epignosis]

Also, since Russ pimped his game in X-Men, I'll ask you all to sign up for "Are You Being Served?" Mafia in the Speed thread:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 839#p67839

This game is intended to be zany and absurd. Silly surprises and plenty of dry British wit!*

Nine slots remain- reserve yours today!

*From a well-meaning but Southern American who thinks Sinclair Lewis was better than Charles Dickens.

[fingersplints]

Hello everyone I'm going to try and start reading the thread tonight, but it's already late so probably won't read much til tomorrow

[Marmot]

As for the missing PMs, no one answered me, but can't the other players in the team send the night action for their team mate in case they are not around? That's how it works on K-site.

Depends on the host. I don't know. Russ?

I know that I have been on teams before that allowed other people to send in PMs, but this sort of thing still happened because the rest of the team just assumed the killer would make it back in time, so you never know.

Or perhaps everyone kind of just lacked initiative

This happened in X-Men too. I literally sent actions in last minute multiple times because no one had taken the initiative. I'm pretty sure Epi was not pleased.

[thellama73]

This happened in X-Men too. I literally sent actions in last minute multiple times because no one had taken the initiative. I'm pretty sure Epi was not pleased.

Don't feel bad. He is never pleased.

[Spacedaisy]

k4j, I feel the same way about INH as I did before. I do not recall if he has said much since the lynch, which I find interesting. I will need to look back over his posts.

[Epignosis]

This happened in X-Men too. I literally sent actions in last minute multiple times because no one had taken the initiative. I'm pretty sure Epi was not pleased.

Don't feel bad. He is never pleased.

"I want to frolic with Morlocks!" "I want to play checkers with Morlocks!" "I want to do the chicken dance with Morlocks!"

-Professor X

[thellama73]

This happened in X-Men too. I literally sent actions in last minute multiple times because no one had taken the initiative. I'm pretty sure Epi was not pleased.

Don't feel bad. He is never pleased.

"I want to frolic with Morlocks!" "I want to play checkers with Morlocks!" "I want to do the chicken dance with Morlocks!"

-Professor X

Ha, it's funny because it's true.

[thellama73]

Oh, and I never got the Morlock King badge you promised me.

[Marmot]

This happened in X-Men too. I literally sent actions in last minute multiple times because no one had taken the initiative. I'm pretty sure Epi was not pleased.

Don't feel bad. He is never pleased.

"I want to frolic with Morlocks!" "I want to play checkers with Morlocks!" "I want to do the chicken dance with Morlocks!"

-Professor X

My point exactly.

[kneel4justice]

I find my reputation among the K-Siters rather amusing.

I will never forget our first interaction where you threatened to vote me without an explanation. Lol.

...maybe because I hadn't made my own conclusion of of yet? Maybe I wanted to garner discussion by pointing out something that seemed off to me, but I hadn't quite figured it out yet and wanted other people's input because this is my only medium to get others' input. Do you have methods of doing this without consulting the thread? But I think I may have made a conclusion now.

And that's fine. I was just questioning you in order for an explanation because what it looked like was you taking an opportunity to start something on me without taking the blame, and I'm not sure you can fault me for that which your last statement looks kind of threatening to do so. Lol

[Leamiteo]

Oh my gosh, so many pages. I still have like 3 to go through, but I have had this blasted tab open forever, and since I cannot play at work except for my 30 min lunch break, have not been able to collect all my thoughts and do not want to be blamed for being silent. K sooo, that being said sorry if things are answered or mentioned prior, which is most likely the case, but here we go:

Random: Matt is being chatty. And I like that. Sometimes he is like that when he is being managed on a team (Lizzy has handled him quite well in the past, for instance), but I think it's more than he was called out (and Vomperdoodle) for not being as helpful as he could. Matt's a realllllly smart guy, so I'm hoping it's just him feeling comfortable enough to participate more. Mattmatt, I hope you don't take offense of any of that. I know it doesn't sound very polite to insinuate someone is being coached, but that's not precisely what I mean (V&A wouldn't mind being coached by L, if you know what they mean).

First, who is Matt? And second, what do you mean by "if you know what they mean". Should that say "if you know what I mean" and if so, I don't know what you mean so could you explain what this means? (How many times can I use the word mean in a sentence?) Anyway, I would appreciate it if you could set me straight on what this is all about.

So sorry, Juliets. I'll be happy to clear this up. Matt = A Person, which is how I should address him in-game. The "if you know what they mean" is a joke because either him or Vomps will take an inadvertent double entendre that someone says, quote it, and say "I wouldn't mind XYZ.... if you know what I mean."

Thanks, this helps me too!

After such a long hiatus, I'm feeling rusty. ( I am not, however, feeling Russti, as that would be inappropriate).

I re-read through the roles and came across some things to consider:

One role silences a player, and chances are good it was a civvie, so punishing a player for not talking in the thread may end in a bad result (killing an innocent civ!).

Second, there is a role which prevent someone's vote from counting. There are other roles that also manipulate vote counts. Just wanted to throw that reminder out there. Sorry, I didn't look back to find them.

linki: Could groups of votes be from people with BTSC? I have to check the roles...again! So many roles!

Oh poop, I closed another tab with things post! Dammit! I'll be back, but for now I've gotta run!

[nijuukyugou]

I'm checking in, and apparently have a TON of catching up to do! Back with thoughts when I'm done

[Dom]

I find my reputation among the K-Siters rather amusing.

I will never forget our first interaction where you threatened to vote me without an explanation. Lol.

...maybe because I hadn't made my own conclusion of of yet? Maybe I wanted to garner discussion by pointing out something that seemed off to me, but I hadn't quite figured it out yet and wanted other people's input because this is my only medium to get others' input. Do you have methods of doing this without consulting the thread? But I think I may have made a conclusion now.

And that's fine. I was just questioning you in order for an explanation because what it looked like was you taking an opportunity to start something on me without taking the blame, and I'm not sure you can fault me for that which your last statement looks kind of threatening to do so. Lol

I'm not quite sure what you're saying here, but yes, you've made my suspect list for now.

[kneel4justice]

I find my reputation among the K-Siters rather amusing.

I will never forget our first interaction where you threatened to vote me without an explanation. Lol.

...maybe because I hadn't made my own conclusion of of yet? Maybe I wanted to garner discussion by pointing out something that seemed off to me, but I hadn't quite figured it out yet and wanted other people's input because this is my only medium to get others' input. Do you have methods of doing this without consulting the thread? But I think I may have made a conclusion now.

And that's fine. I was just questioning you in order for an explanation because what it looked like was you taking an opportunity to start something on me without taking the blame, and I'm not sure you can fault me for that which your last statement looks kind of threatening to do so. Lol

I'm not quite sure what you're saying here, but yes, you've made my suspect list for now.

Okay. But why is that?

[reywaS]

Also, another form of distancing is throwing your teammate under the bus. I wonder if we there's at least one of MP's teammates in those 6 that voted for him.

An interesting thought.

Turnip Head (18), Hedgeowl (19), juliets (20), Captain Bunny Killer (21), kneel4justice (23), Epignosis (24) 25%

I don't believe Rob and MP were on a team (if they were, they would have won by now) and TH and Hedgeowl's votes would have been too risky for teammates, but you may be onto something with juliets, CBK or K4J.

I just find it interesting how the votes came pouring in. Only the 22nd vote is missing from that bandwagon, and that's Snowy's. I wonder if there isn't at least one baddie from the other team who decided to join in though.

Linki - thanks, Rob.

I'm not sure I understand what you are getting at here. Could you clarify for me?

No death is great news!

For me, I found FZ's behavior when the lynch was going down, really weird. Usually we see eye to eye, feel the same way about situations but that couldn't have been farther from what happened. Her unwillingness to lynch MP along with her paranoia to the end just seemed strange. I don't necessarily think that would be on the same team, I think FZ would have cut ties with him (although I'm not sure what she would do on this site as opposed to our home site, I play a different scum game here). But I should have at least been able to feel a bit of paranoia similar to hers at the end of the lynch, perhaps it was because I wasn't here for everything to go down live? But she's caught my eye.

I also believe MP defended INH, who I was already suspicious of, and that could be a possible teammate of his.
However, something worth noting is both Reyas and Snowdog agreed (found here) with me in the way that it felt they were hopping on a suspicion without really doing anything. I can't necessarily fault them for agreeing, because I think I had a good point, but it stuck out to me.

While MP was bad, I was surprised to see Dom mention me when he voted for MP. It wasn't really needed, perhaps if Dom is on one team and didn't know if MP was bad he wanted something to fall back on. I'm not sure. Perhaps him agreeing with me is good though, I don't think we usually do, and I think I've only played with him when he's been a baddie or independent. That post can be found here.

Anyways, that is what caught my eye.

yeah, that's not what I was doing. I wasn't "hopping on a suspicion" at all. I was agreeing that INH's reaction to juliets was extreme...not that he was suspicious for it. I didn't get the feeling that you were suspicious of him for it either tbh.

This feels a little like backpedaling. Also, all I see from you is defending yourself, but no actual suspicions. Doesn't sit well with me.



This catching up is hard. Stop talking so much, people

Does it? Well it's not. You don't have much experience playing with me, but if you'll ask some people that do you will find that I'm not much of a back peddler. I'm an all or nothing type of player. If I'm suspicious of someone, I say that I'm suspicious of that person and I won't back off of it easily.

llama, I saw you say that MM has the most posts that are off topic and non helpful or something like that. Have you seen Reywas' posts? I'd say that qualifies as non helpful posts

Feelings= hurt

[reywaS]

I think if MP was distancing from any of his teammates yesterday, that his vote for Daisy stands out the most. It wasn't based on much, and Daisy seemed particularly nonplussed by it, and I don't see him voting for his significant other on Day 1 without some kind of ulterior motive. MP is usually pretty good at explaining his thought process, but his quick vote for Daisy seemed... exploitative, almost. Like he had come up with just enough reason to mention her and throw a vote on her.

This could be true. There's always a chance she could get another vote from other players, thus he would be risking her, but since his reasoning for that vote was so far fetched, following him on that would just make that person look bad. Then there's Vompatti, who voted for her, and you already know what I think about that vote, so if she was working with MP, he could be on the other team.


linki:@ Oh yeah, okay. I forgot it was from the non voters. I was just reading Rey's posts and thinking what the hell. As for the missing PMs, no one answered me, but can't the other players in the team send the night action for their team mate in case they are not around? That's how it works on K-site.


Damn, I need to go. I'll try to stop by before I go to sleep. I still want to say a lot of things before I leave for so long

What the hell, indeed.

[kneel4justice]

I don't know what your problem is. I explained why I was hesitant in voting MP. It felt like the votes were piling up on him, which is something I'm not used to here, and while I started feeling less sure he was a civvie in the last day or so, I started out feeling he was the most civvie of them all, the way he progressed the game, so I was still hesitant to call him a baddie, not to mention my stupid tendency to view people who are suspicious of me as more civ 'than baddie. Anyway, that was what was going on through my mind, and you of all people should be able to get me in situations like this. This is the second time you've said something that I really don't expect you to say, and it's starting to worry me. If you'd said I could be on MP's team, I'd know you're bad , but saying I might be on the other team is clever enough to make me hesitate on this.

I do not like how you replied to me, 'I don't know what your problem is' as if what I am saying has no value. I am saying I did not get the same vibe as you did. I was not all that concerned with the votes for MP being 'too many' as you were. I was not scrambling at deadline trying to come up with an alternative as you were. What I am saying is, if we were of the same alignment based on our track record I should have at least felt similar to the way you did. It's a vibes thing. We often think the same or similar and you know this. So me having a completely opposite reaction to the lynch as you did, pings me. I think even you should have seen that while MP was suspecting you, he was doing it with an agenda. He called you insincere when you had barely any posts and thoughts to be insincere about. Yes you feel better about those who suspect you, but you also see through fake suspicions and you weren't doing that here. Which is why I'm having trouble seeing you as a civvie right now. Now you're starting to get worried about me, well ok but I don't see why and it feels kind of empty. I really don't see your points, probably because you're counteracting mine which I feel are more credible than you're giving them. Or rather, not credit but you should at least be able to understand what I'm saying.

[reywaS]

No death is great news!

For me, I found FZ's behavior when the lynch was going down, really weird. Usually we see eye to eye, feel the same way about situations but that couldn't have been farther from what happened. Her unwillingness to lynch MP along with her paranoia to the end just seemed strange. I don't necessarily think that would be on the same team, I think FZ would have cut ties with him (although I'm not sure what she would do on this site as opposed to our home site, I play a different scum game here). But I should have at least been able to feel a bit of paranoia similar to hers at the end of the lynch, perhaps it was because I wasn't here for everything to go down live? But she's caught my eye.

I also believe MP defended INH, who I was already suspicious of, and that could be a possible teammate of his.
However, something worth noting is both Reyas and Snowdog agreed (found here) with me in the way that it felt they were hopping on a suspicion without really doing anything. I can't necessarily fault them for agreeing, because I think I had a good point, but it stuck out to me.

While MP was bad, I was surprised to see Dom mention me when he voted for MP. It wasn't really needed, perhaps if Dom is on one team and didn't know if MP was bad he wanted something to fall back on. I'm not sure. Perhaps him agreeing with me is good though, I don't think we usually do, and I think I've only played with him when he's been a baddie or independent. That post can be found here.

Anyways, that is what caught my eye.

yeah, that's not what I was doing. I wasn't "hopping on a suspicion" at all. I was agreeing that INH's reaction to juliets was extreme...not that he was suspicious for it. I didn't get the feeling that you were suspicious of him for it either tbh.

Well, how can I suspect someone with that icon?

Anyways....is it true that MP doesn't defend teammates like Dom is saying?

Are you asking me that question or is that for everyone? I have no idea if MP would defend his team mates. I don't think it is impossible. MP is a smart mofo, so I wouldn't be surprised at all if he were to do somethign that no one would ever expect him to do.

[Elohcin]

This happened in X-Men too. I literally sent actions in last minute multiple times because no one had taken the initiative. I'm pretty sure Epi was not pleased.

Don't feel bad. He is never pleased.

I beg to differ.

[reywaS]

Announcement:

fingersplints has generously offered to join the game. She (I think you're a she, right?) was very nice to do so, so please welcome her accordingly. She will be filling the unassigned role. She will receive gold for voting in the polls she has missed, and is immune to lynch today and to NK on Night 2.

Yay! Welcome, splints!!!

[kneel4justice]

Are you asking me that question or is that for everyone? I have no idea if MP would defend his team mates. I don't think it is impossible. MP is a smart mofo, so I wouldn't be surprised at all if he were to do somethign that no one would ever expect him to do.

Cyclops is my favorite character ever, and I absolutely love him in the current Marvel Now!
Thanks for answering! Just a general question for anyone who can answer.

[Dom]

I find my reputation among the K-Siters rather amusing.

I will never forget our first interaction where you threatened to vote me without an explanation. Lol.

...maybe because I hadn't made my own conclusion of of yet? Maybe I wanted to garner discussion by pointing out something that seemed off to me, but I hadn't quite figured it out yet and wanted other people's input because this is my only medium to get others' input. Do you have methods of doing this without consulting the thread? But I think I may have made a conclusion now.

And that's fine. I was just questioning you in order for an explanation because what it looked like was you taking an opportunity to start something on me without taking the blame, and I'm not sure you can fault me for that which your last statement looks kind of threatening to do so. Lol

I'm not quite sure what you're saying here, but yes, you've made my suspect list for now.

Okay. But why is that?

Because I simply wanted to have dialogue about you and you told me I was trying to set you up for doing so.

[kneel4justice]

Because I simply wanted to have dialogue about you and you told me I was trying to set you up for doing so.

Am I wrong to think it was a possibility?
Saying 'interesting' without any discussion on the possibility of it happening or of it not happening comes off scummy. If you're trying to see reactions, then that is fine but you can't expect me to read your mind. Of course I am going to wonder if you're trying to push something without being obvious about it, I see scum do it all the time. But do what you want.