It's a Mysterious Universe (D6)

[Syn]

Ama

Are you a woof?

[Long Con]

How about "How many of the people outside of the thread are Mafia?"

[Alison]

I don't like Alison's thin read on Long Con, I don't think it's reasonable to townread him for such a thing this early.

I like Sloonei, though. I like how he's already hardcore solving, and he's doing that in a way which doesn't come across as forced.
To answer his question -- I'm honestly not sure how to answer it at this point, because my playstyle tends to be pretty fluid. I usually try to find mafia and/or town through macro reads, and when I want to push a mafia, I case them, like I did last game. This means that I am invariably stumbling around blind on day 1 and only later developing the ability to find people's alignments with higher confidence.

TL;DR Focus on macro reads, gets better as the game goes on, usually.

Sloonei's posts don't strike me as "hardcore solving". Walk me through what about Sloonei's posts struck you as being particularly high effort.

[Alison]

[VOTE: Syn] aubergine

I want to push here right now. His post bothered me and he responded to it with a beetlejuice.

Syn do you have any opinion at all on the way the game has opened/the stuff that has happened so far?

What does "a beetlejuice" mean? I saw the movie once like a decade ago.

We're 7 hours in to D1, so not really. Sloonei and LC have Good Vibes.

I'm curious about the four who can't be in the thread, and if any of them are wolves or guaranteed town. Being able to establish an immediate towncore would be rad. But I doubt Nanook would make it that easy for us.

What about Vulgard? There was a back and forth earlier about Vulgard being possibly mafia, and he's given some game-related content.

Re: the four that aren't in the thread, the previous game that had out-of-thread players had them all share the same alignment, which was technically third-party but which played out in benign/townsided ways, or so I am told. I think it's too much to assume they're all townsiding this time, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were all the same alignment again, or share other key similarities.

[Syn]

What about Vulgard? There was a back and forth earlier about Vulgard being possibly mafia, and he's given some game-related content.

His pushes were weak and ill-thought out, but I don't know that I'd commit to "he's wolf." I guess he's the best choice this very moment, as far as OMGUS goes.

[Sloonei]

I don't like Alison's thin read on Long Con, I don't think it's reasonable to townread him for such a thing this early.

I like Sloonei, though. I like how he's already hardcore solving, and he's doing that in a way which doesn't come across as forced.
To answer his question -- I'm honestly not sure how to answer it at this point, because my playstyle tends to be pretty fluid. I usually try to find mafia and/or town through macro reads, and when I want to push a mafia, I case them, like I did last game. This means that I am invariably stumbling around blind on day 1 and only later developing the ability to find people's alignments with higher confidence.

TL;DR Focus on macro reads, gets better as the game goes on, usually.

Sloonei's posts don't strike me as "hardcore solving". Walk me through what about Sloonei's posts struck you as being particularly high effort.

How would you describe my posts?

[Alison]

[VOTE: Syn] aubergine

I checked again and they have done nothing within their five posts. These posts were all spent on talking about themselves, their first post was a comment about the OP (which is not really game-related and is unlikely to out you as mafia when you talk about it as mafia), and they come across as trying to seem relaxed in the thread. Which is probably why they are spending so much time on "settling in."

I liked nutella's start, but I have some respect for their wolfgame, so I'm not going to pull an Alison and make a weakly supported solid townread on her out of nowhere.

I actually really dislike the highlighted section. I think my read was fine and I didn't pretend it was stronger than it is. I just said I liked him doing that and he looked good off it - but this is framed as though my read is overblown and feels like it's trying to discredit the way I was reading LC. This is particularly egregious because it's in service of justifying a waffle on nutella.

[Alison]

[VOTE: Syn] aubergine

I checked again and they have done nothing within their five posts. These posts were all spent on talking about themselves, their first post was a comment about the OP (which is not really game-related and is unlikely to out you as mafia when you talk about it as mafia), and they come across as trying to seem relaxed in the thread. Which is probably why they are spending so much time on "settling in."

I liked nutella's start, but I have some respect for their wolfgame, so I'm not going to pull an Alison and make a weakly supported solid townread on her out of nowhere.

I actually really dislike the highlighted section. I think my read was fine and I didn't pretend it was stronger than it is. I just said I liked him doing that and he looked good off it - but this is framed as though my read is overblown and feels like it's trying to discredit the way I was reading LC. This is particularly egregious because it's in service of justifying a waffle on nutella.

I should add to this: part of the reason I hated Vulgard trying to discredit my first post read so much, other than the baseline "I think it's bad when people discredit my posts" motivation, is that it is very common for mafia, especially mafia who have never played with me, to try to undermine my first post reads by framing it as being underjustified or based on little or no reasoning.

[Alison]

i'm bummed 'cause both mikey and thesunfan rejected me and didn't join this game so i'm alone and that eerily resembles my real life but like it's fine though

we shall WIN THE GAME

You’re not alone, we’ll solve this game together fgal!

What’s nutella’s alignment?

she seems nice and is a mod so i'ma say lawful good

anyways we're polar opposites so i'ma deliver the hot™ take that no one thought they needed and say you're a WOLF
got 'em

I mean, posts like this one. This just looks like a really forced joke, and I'm not sure why it exists. "Haha, I'm so random?" Or "Haha, look, I'm relaxed and harmless!"
I'm leaning toward the second.

This is 100% within FG's general personality and town range.

[Alison]

I don't like Alison's thin read on Long Con, I don't think it's reasonable to townread him for such a thing this early.

I like Sloonei, though. I like how he's already hardcore solving, and he's doing that in a way which doesn't come across as forced.
To answer his question -- I'm honestly not sure how to answer it at this point, because my playstyle tends to be pretty fluid. I usually try to find mafia and/or town through macro reads, and when I want to push a mafia, I case them, like I did last game. This means that I am invariably stumbling around blind on day 1 and only later developing the ability to find people's alignments with higher confidence.

TL;DR Focus on macro reads, gets better as the game goes on, usually.

Sloonei's posts don't strike me as "hardcore solving". Walk me through what about Sloonei's posts struck you as being particularly high effort.

How would you describe my posts?

I think you're in the "toss ideas around, see what strikes a chord or sparks discussion" stage. You're not really at the point where you're really digging deep into people's alignments and trying to form POEs or build towncores. On a separate note, I think it is really weird to try to volume/effort clear someone who has just been crowned MU Champ.

[Long Con]

[VOTE: Syn] aubergine

I checked again and they have done nothing within their five posts. These posts were all spent on talking about themselves, their first post was a comment about the OP (which is not really game-related and is unlikely to out you as mafia when you talk about it as mafia), and they come across as trying to seem relaxed in the thread. Which is probably why they are spending so much time on "settling in."

I liked nutella's start, but I have some respect for their wolfgame, so I'm not going to pull an Alison and make a weakly supported solid townread on her out of nowhere.

I actually really dislike the highlighted section. I think my read was fine and I didn't pretend it was stronger than it is. I just said I liked him doing that and he looked good off it - but this is framed as though my read is overblown and feels like it's trying to discredit the way I was reading LC. This is particularly egregious because it's in service of justifying a waffle on nutella.

I should add to this: part of the reason I hated Vulgard trying to discredit my first post read so much, other than the baseline "I think it's bad when people discredit my posts" motivation, is that it is very common for mafia, especially mafia who have never played with me, to try to undermine my first post reads by framing it as being underjustified or based on little or no reasoning.

I am on board with your reasoning here.

[Alison]

Is everyone in the thread scumreading Vulgard now? That's probably a good sign, since there's like 7 people who dislike Vulgard's posts for one reason or another and all of them are excellent players and they can't all be mafia.

[Alison]

Alright, I'm caught up. Lots of people seem to dislike Vulgard's posts/reads/reasoning, but only Sloonei is voting him. Mac is doing his own thing which I respect, but a no vote is a wasted vote. I like the Vulgard push.

[VOTE: Vulgard] aubergine

[Sloonei]

I want Vulgard to have room to breathe. So far his throat has been thoroughly jumped down. I’ve never played with him before and it’s entirely possible that the things we’re eying him for are just Vulgard playing mafia.

[Sloonei]

[unvote][/unvote]aubergine

[Long Con]

@nutella you were one of the out-of-thread demi-gods in Assassin's Creed. What can you tell us about that experience?

What do you mean by “theory meta”?

@TonyStarkPrime @Poison what are your thoughts on this game's version of Vulgard compared to the version you saw in the previous game?

I lean scum on Sloonei right now because these questions don't feel like they have any solving intention behind them. They're just filling out his post count. The first one especially rubs me the wrong way. The only thing I assume about this Nanook game is that the out-of-thread element is not the same as his last game, because I expect Nanook to have a bit more creativity than that. I expect, at the very least, a fun twist on it that would intentionally subvert our assumptions based on the previous game. Standard 'sequel' stuff.

That said, I can't see what value Sloonei expected from that question. There's nothing alignment-indicative about the way nutella answers this, and there's probably little relevance to this game.

[VOTE: sloonei] aubergine

[Long Con]

I want Vulgard to have room to breathe. So far his throat has been thoroughly jumped down. I’ve never played with him before and it’s entirely possible that the things we’re eying him for are just Vulgard playing mafia.

Now I want to tunnel you. This is a fake move. This is about Sloonei, not Vulgard.

[Sloonei]

@nutella you were one of the out-of-thread demi-gods in Assassin's Creed. What can you tell us about that experience?

What do you mean by “theory meta”?

@TonyStarkPrime @Poison what are your thoughts on this game's version of Vulgard compared to the version you saw in the previous game?

I lean scum on Sloonei right now because these questions don't feel like they have any solving intention behind them. They're just filling out his post count. The first one especially rubs me the wrong way. The only thing I assume about this Nanook game is that the out-of-thread element is not the same as his last game, because I expect Nanook to have a bit more creativity than that. I expect, at the very least, a fun twist on it that would intentionally subvert our assumptions based on the previous game. Standard 'sequel' stuff.

That said, I can't see what value Sloonei expected from that question. There's nothing alignment-indicative about the way nutella answers this, and there's probably little relevance to this game.

[VOTE: sloonei] aubergine

[Sloonei]

I want Vulgard to have room to breathe. So far his throat has been thoroughly jumped down. I’ve never played with him before and it’s entirely possible that the things we’re eying him for are just Vulgard playing mafia.

Now I want to tunnel you. This is a fake move. This is about Sloonei, not Vulgard.

[nutella]

I don't like Alison's thin read on Long Con, I don't think it's reasonable to townread him for such a thing this early.

I like Sloonei, though. I like how he's already hardcore solving, and he's doing that in a way which doesn't come across as forced.
To answer his question -- I'm honestly not sure how to answer it at this point, because my playstyle tends to be pretty fluid. I usually try to find mafia and/or town through macro reads, and when I want to push a mafia, I case them, like I did last game. This means that I am invariably stumbling around blind on day 1 and only later developing the ability to find people's alignments with higher confidence.

TL;DR Focus on macro reads, gets better as the game goes on, usually.

Sloonei's posts don't strike me as "hardcore solving". Walk me through what about Sloonei's posts struck you as being particularly high effort.

How would you describe my posts?

I think you're in the "toss ideas around, see what strikes a chord or sparks discussion" stage. You're not really at the point where you're really digging deep into people's alignments and trying to form POEs or build towncores. On a separate note, I think it is really weird to try to volume/effort clear someone who has just been crowned MU Champ.

He was town in all three of his champs games so his crown has zero reflection of how his scum meta measures up

[Long Con]

Yeah, ok.

[Long Con]

Is Sloonei MU Champ?

[Sloonei]

Is Sloonei MU Champ?

I am Bargain Bin Jay no more.

[Long Con]

Is Sloonei MU Champ?

I am Bargain Bin Jay no more.

That's really great! What does that mean, though, you are #1 out of the hundreds that played? How do the rankings work?

[Funnygurl555]

woahhh so if sloonei's mu champ does that mean i'm the worst mafia player on the internet?

[Sloonei]

Is Sloonei MU Champ?

I am Bargain Bin Jay no more.

That's really great! What does that mean, though, you are #1 out of the hundreds that played? How do the rankings work?

Basically it means I get to win every argument about mafia from now until the end of time, and I get a special undertitle on MU.

[Long Con]

woahhh so if sloonei's mu champ does that mean i'm the worst mafia player on the internet?

No, your name automatically turns red when you achieve that.

[Funnygurl555]

woahhh so if sloonei's mu champ does that mean i'm the worst mafia player on the internet?

No, your name automatically turns red when you achieve that.

so you're the worst mafia player on the internet!

it's an honor to play with you

[Sloonei]

woahhh so if sloonei's mu champ does that mean i'm the worst mafia player on the internet?

Must be. I’m sorry to do this to you.

[Funnygurl555]

my vote is on sloonei

[Long Con]

woahhh so if sloonei's mu champ does that mean i'm the worst mafia player on the internet?

No, your name automatically turns red when you achieve that.

so you're the worst mafia player on the internet!

it's an honor to play with you

[Sloonei]

The two worst mafia players in the world are voting for the confirmed best player in the world. Unbelievable.

[Enrique]

What

Lol i know what you're doing and I like it

[Alison]

He was town in all three of his champs games so his crown has zero reflection of how his scum meta measures up

My point is that you'd expect someone competent enough to be the MU Champ to be someone trivially able to fake solving regardless of alignment, and at any rate I don't really think it was as hardcore as Vulgard made it out to be anyway.

[Alison]

I think it's a pretty ugly look that Vulgard's "throat has been thoroughly jumped down" but nobody seems to want to actually vote him. I think there is a good chance he is scum and his teammates bussed for early distance but are afraid to commit the vote because they were scared by the apparent steam his wagon was building and didn't want to lose a member so rapidly.

[Sloonei]

I think it's a pretty ugly look that Vulgard's "throat has been thoroughly jumped down" but nobody seems to want to actually vote him. I think there is a good chance he is scum and his teammates bussed for early distance but are afraid to commit the vote because they were scared by the apparent steam his wagon was building and didn't want to lose a member so rapidly.

We have nearly 48 hours left in Day 1. I don’t think it behooves us to pile votes on one person immediately.

[Long Con]

I think it's a pretty ugly look that Vulgard's "throat has been thoroughly jumped down" but nobody seems to want to actually vote him. I think there is a good chance he is scum and his teammates bussed for early distance but are afraid to commit the vote because they were scared by the apparent steam his wagon was building and didn't want to lose a member so rapidly.

I don't think that he and Sloonei are wolves together. If Sloonei is a wolf, I have less suspicion of Vulgard. I still like your take on him, and could easily vote that way. I am not a teammate.

[Enrique]

I will probably not vote for Vulgard.

[Sloonei]

I will probably not vote for Vulgard.

Why not?

[Enrique]

seems fine to me

[Sloonei]

seems fine to me

Why?

[Alison]

I think it's a pretty ugly look that Vulgard's "throat has been thoroughly jumped down" but nobody seems to want to actually vote him. I think there is a good chance he is scum and his teammates bussed for early distance but are afraid to commit the vote because they were scared by the apparent steam his wagon was building and didn't want to lose a member so rapidly.

We have nearly 48 hours left in Day 1. I don’t think it behooves us to pile votes on one person immediately.

I mean, I'm not saying hammer him right now, but like when I read through a thread of various people all attacking Vulgard and then I check the poll and I'm the literal only person on it, I get suspicious.

[Sloonei]

I think it's a pretty ugly look that Vulgard's "throat has been thoroughly jumped down" but nobody seems to want to actually vote him. I think there is a good chance he is scum and his teammates bussed for early distance but are afraid to commit the vote because they were scared by the apparent steam his wagon was building and didn't want to lose a member so rapidly.

We have nearly 48 hours left in Day 1. I don’t think it behooves us to pile votes on one person immediately.

I mean, I'm not saying hammer him right now, but like when I read through a thread of various people all attacking Vulgard and then I check the poll and I'm the literal only person on it, I get suspicious.

I unvoted him a moment after you voted for him. I don’t like runaway polls early in phases.

[Alison]

I think it's a pretty ugly look that Vulgard's "throat has been thoroughly jumped down" but nobody seems to want to actually vote him. I think there is a good chance he is scum and his teammates bussed for early distance but are afraid to commit the vote because they were scared by the apparent steam his wagon was building and didn't want to lose a member so rapidly.

I don't think that he and Sloonei are wolves together. If Sloonei is a wolf, I have less suspicion of Vulgard. I still like your take on him, and could easily vote that way. I am not a teammate.

He doesn't have 6 teammates so I'm not saying that everyone who doesn't vote Vulgard is a teammate. I think many of the reasons that Sloonei raised for not voting Vulgard - give him space, there's still time, pursue other suspects, etc. - are valid. If Vulgard is in fact scum, then the townies not voting him would be doing so for those reasons, and his teammates would probably be blending in amongst them and pretending they also have that reason.

[Enrique]

I think Vulgard is playing day 1 in much the way that other people play day 1. means nothing.

[Sloonei]

I think Vulgard is playing day 1 in much the way that other people play day 1. means nothing.

Which is...?

[Alison]

I think it's a pretty ugly look that Vulgard's "throat has been thoroughly jumped down" but nobody seems to want to actually vote him. I think there is a good chance he is scum and his teammates bussed for early distance but are afraid to commit the vote because they were scared by the apparent steam his wagon was building and didn't want to lose a member so rapidly.

We have nearly 48 hours left in Day 1. I don’t think it behooves us to pile votes on one person immediately.

I mean, I'm not saying hammer him right now, but like when I read through a thread of various people all attacking Vulgard and then I check the poll and I'm the literal only person on it, I get suspicious.

I unvoted him a moment after you voted for him. I don’t like runaway polls early in phases.

It's fine to be cautious since this is a game with majority vote, but at the time you unvoted there were 2 people on him. That is not a runaway poll. :P

[Alison]

I think Vulgard is playing day 1 in much the way that other people play day 1. means nothing.

What do you think about the people who piled on Vulgard then? Which of them look like opportunistic scum trying to throw shade to you, and which of them look like townies with legit suspicions?

[Long Con]

I think Vulgard is playing day 1 in much the way that other people play day 1. means nothing.

On the flip side, I think Alison called out the whole scum team based on first-post-reads a few games ago. I might be remembering it better than it was though.

[Alison]

I get where Sloonei is coming from and I want to hear Vulgard's defense myself as well. I'm just saying that I don't think the pressure is particularly high right now.