Grasslands [Game Thread]

#2701

ouch :/

#2702

start at 0:10

#2703

why did alison die before hally

#2704

might need to break out the trustfalls/distrustfalls for this one

#2705

i skimmed hally's iso at the eod to see who they fos'd in the event that martin was town, but the answer was unclear. that blows a hole in any theory that hally got killed because of who they sr

#2706

if nanook is mafia why is he taking spf to f5/f3 instead of alison

if nutella is mafia why is she taking spf to f5/f3 instead of alison

i guess thunal could have killed alison cuz alison was tunneling her?

or its spf who like... missed the deadline to submit the kill action and it was randed to alison? otherwise i dont realistically see her purposely kill alison? but i dont think the theory that she could have missed the deadline should be discarded

looking at ... thunal rn?

#2707

alison was tunneling thunal pretty hard from day 1

#2708

phantom vote on thunal

alison turns out had some goat reads by tunneling sloonei and thunal from day 1?

(so was i tbh. tutuu also goat. pat pat tutuu)

#2709

https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/pqx28ZxeEQZf

#2710

we disobeyed queen [mention]Alison[/mention] and we are now suffering her wrath

the only way to beg for her forgiveness is to do as she would have wished (yeet thunal's ASS)

#2711

"Scum seem to have some sort of impression that I'm a loose cannon that might make a hero shot just because I tinfoiled everyone in the game (my theory for why I keep being sent). Scum, that's not how I play." (from nutella's quick topic) (by thunal)

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:57 pm Maybe I just need to find out who cares about me enough to keep putting me in the grasslands. :P I’m leaning towards Nook as I said in the grasslands but I’ll do some more research and analysis and general work. My first wrong read at the time of the flip this game, yay!

(bolded)

this tone comes off as fake to me

#2712

lord o mighty up above in the heaven hold my hand for i am this closeth to sinning and snap voting right now

#2713

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:15 pm lord o mighty up above in the heaven hold my hand for i am this closeth to sinning and snap voting right now

No snap votes today. Let’s not vote in the first 12 hours or so.

#2714

imagine a water torrent furiously rushing down the valley and in front of it a dam made out of the paper they use for japanese houses is the only thing holding it back

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #2715

i'm honestly p paranoid it's thunal here

#2716

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:17 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:15 pm lord o mighty up above in the heaven hold my hand for i am this closeth to sinning and snap voting right now
No snap votes today. Let’s not vote in the first 12 hours or so.

how about you dont tell me what to do, wolf?

#2717

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:18 pm i'm honestly p paranoid it's thunal here

i feel like u know nanook a lot more than i do - how much do you trust him? is this what his town game is usually like?

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #2718

alison was right about martin and hard sred thunal, hally was thinking about looking into thunal in the treehouse, and thunal's "reaction" to being put in the grasslands again felt a little off / I've been getting slightly weird vibes from her recent posts

idk i just like.... im sorry to martin's ghost but i just don't *really* feel like it's tutuu or nanook. it seems kinda silly if one of them wins in f3 but... thunal totally could

#2719

This paranoia is what Martin warned about. I don’t think it’s tutuu so I think we should vote Nook today but I’m definitely not snap voting and I’m going to do some analysis. Being suspected throws me off but it also generates info so I’d like to see if Nook jumps on me.

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #2720

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:20 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:18 pm i'm honestly p paranoid it's thunal here
i feel like u know nanook a lot more than i do - how much do you trust him? is this what his town game is usually like?

yeah. I hate saying this sort of thing but I think he'd look much cleaner as wolf. and I keep coming back to the LC vote too

#2721

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:20 pm This paranoia is what Martin warned about. I don’t think it’s tutuu so I think we should vote Nook today but I’m definitely not snap voting and I’m going to do some analysis. Being suspected throws me off but it also generates info so I’d like to see if Nook jumps on me.

why is tutuu town?

#2722

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:20 pm alison was right about martin and hard sred thunal, hally was thinking about looking into thunal in the treehouse, and thunal's "reaction" to being put in the grasslands again felt a little off / I've been getting slightly weird vibes from her recent posts

idk i just like.... im sorry to martin's ghost but i just don't *really* feel like it's tutuu or nanook. it seems kinda silly if one of them wins in f3 but... thunal totally could

It’s not me. Think about it from this POV instead: Hally was townreading me harder than anyone else in the game. Why would I have killed my biggest defender instead of SPF? And why would I draw this much extra attention to myself by putting myself in the grasslands for 2 nights?

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #2723

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:20 pm This paranoia is what Martin warned about. I don’t think it’s tutuu so I think we should vote Nook today but I’m definitely not snap voting and I’m going to do some analysis. Being suspected throws me off but it also generates info so I’d like to see if Nook jumps on me.

leaning on a dead townie who "warned about paranoia" is not your best defense

#2724

thunal in her quick topic:

"Scum seem to have some sort of impression that I'm a loose cannon that might make a hero shot just because I tinfoiled everyone in the game (my theory for why I keep being sent). Scum, that's not how I play."

how is that a real thought?

how is thunal, (town thunal who is supposedly offering her real thoughts) thinks that realistically she could be chosen to shoot instead of nutella?

i am not under the impression that thunal spouts random nonsense like someone like tutuu would do

i think what she said there doesnt makes sense from a town pov, and she just wanted to say a sentence in which she could talk to the scum ("hey scum, bla bla") because she thought it would look towny

#2725

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:21 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:20 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:18 pm i'm honestly p paranoid it's thunal here
i feel like u know nanook a lot more than i do - how much do you trust him? is this what his town game is usually like?
yeah. I hate saying this sort of thing but I think he'd look much cleaner as wolf. and I keep coming back to the LC vote too

i got a similar impression from doing my interaction analysis of him - it felt like his interactions with sloonei reflected on him in such a suspicious way that i suspect he would have worked harder as mafia to ensure that he looked good upon sloonei's flip - especially if his plan was to bus sloonei and carry the game by himself (altho tbf, i dont think he started the wagon on him)

i just realized that this basically amounts to: "TWTBAW". i dont know how to feel about that

#2726

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:23 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:20 pm alison was right about martin and hard sred thunal, hally was thinking about looking into thunal in the treehouse, and thunal's "reaction" to being put in the grasslands again felt a little off / I've been getting slightly weird vibes from her recent posts

idk i just like.... im sorry to martin's ghost but i just don't *really* feel like it's tutuu or nanook. it seems kinda silly if one of them wins in f3 but... thunal totally could
It’s not me. Think about it from this POV instead: Hally was townreading me harder than anyone else in the game. Why would I have killed my biggest defender instead of SPF? And why would I draw this much extra attention to myself by putting myself in the grasslands for 2 nights?

i dont think this is particularly true

#2727

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:22 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:20 pm This paranoia is what Martin warned about. I don’t think it’s tutuu so I think we should vote Nook today but I’m definitely not snap voting and I’m going to do some analysis. Being suspected throws me off but it also generates info so I’d like to see if Nook jumps on me.
why is tutuu town?

I think her interactions with Sloonei look good (iirc you agree) and I don’t think scum would be the first to go after me like this when Tutuu could so easily go after Nook instead.

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #2728

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:23 pm thunal in her quick topic:

"Scum seem to have some sort of impression that I'm a loose cannon that might make a hero shot just because I tinfoiled everyone in the game (my theory for why I keep being sent). Scum, that's not how I play."

how is that a real thought?

how is thunal, (town thunal who is supposedly offering her real thoughts) thinks that realistically she could be chosen to shoot instead of nutella?

i am not under the impression that thunal spouts random nonsense like someone like tutuu would do

i think what she said there doesnt makes sense from a town pov, and she just wanted to say a sentence in which she could talk to the scum ("hey scum, bla bla") because she thought it would look towny

yeah idk there's a lot of wifom with that and what she just said about killing hally and "drawing attention" to herself with the grasslands

#2729

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:25 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:22 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:20 pm This paranoia is what Martin warned about. I don’t think it’s tutuu so I think we should vote Nook today but I’m definitely not snap voting and I’m going to do some analysis. Being suspected throws me off but it also generates info so I’d like to see if Nook jumps on me.
why is tutuu town?
I think her interactions with Sloonei look good (iirc you agree) and I don’t think scum would be the first to go after me like this when Tutuu could so easily go after Nook instead.

i think that you're saying "(iirc you agree)" as a way of deflecting spf

like

"wtf spf why are u scumreading me for this when ur also townreading tutuu???? do i srsly need to REMIND U that u also townread tutuu"

sorry that im tunneling u but i am going to be tunneling u

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #2730

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:25 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:22 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:20 pm This paranoia is what Martin warned about. I don’t think it’s tutuu so I think we should vote Nook today but I’m definitely not snap voting and I’m going to do some analysis. Being suspected throws me off but it also generates info so I’d like to see if Nook jumps on me.
why is tutuu town?
I think her interactions with Sloonei look good (iirc you agree) and I don’t think scum would be the first to go after me like this when Tutuu could so easily go after Nook instead.

i mean, the main plan going into today was to just eliminate through tutuu and nook in some order, so if she just pushes nook she knows she's next so she would have to broaden to one other suspect

buuuuttttt i was already feeling paranoid about you before she started making those posts so i vibe with it

#2731

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:23 pm thunal in her quick topic:

"Scum seem to have some sort of impression that I'm a loose cannon that might make a hero shot just because I tinfoiled everyone in the game (my theory for why I keep being sent). Scum, that's not how I play."

how is that a real thought?

how is thunal, (town thunal who is supposedly offering her real thoughts) thinks that realistically she could be chosen to shoot instead of nutella?

i am not under the impression that thunal spouts random nonsense like someone like tutuu would do

i think what she said there doesnt makes sense from a town pov, and she just wanted to say a sentence in which she could talk to the scum ("hey scum, bla bla") because she thought it would look towny

I don’t think I would have been chosen to shoot, but it feels like the reason they chose me on n3 was so I might shoot Nutella since I suspected her then. Let’s spin the question: how is that a fake thought and how does it benefit scum? I’m on mobile so I’ll be right back to remind everyone why I should be almost clear this game with quotes.

#2732

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:27 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:25 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:22 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:20 pm This paranoia is what Martin warned about. I don’t think it’s tutuu so I think we should vote Nook today but I’m definitely not snap voting and I’m going to do some analysis. Being suspected throws me off but it also generates info so I’d like to see if Nook jumps on me.
why is tutuu town?
I think her interactions with Sloonei look good (iirc you agree) and I don’t think scum would be the first to go after me like this when Tutuu could so easily go after Nook instead.
i think that you're saying "(iirc you agree)" as a way of deflecting spf

like

"wtf spf why are u scumreading me for this when ur also townreading tutuu???? do i srsly need to REMIND U that u also townread tutuu"

sorry that im tunneling u but i am going to be tunneling u

not to throw flame on the fire but i came to the near opposite conclusion about tutuu's interactions that thunal is suggesting

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #2733

i think if you're town you're overthinking being sent to the grasslands. i don't think the question is necessarily why you were specifically chosen but more that there was no particular reason to send anyone else and you've been kind of in the middle enough that there wouldn't be a clear way to read into it

#2734

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:28 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:23 pm thunal in her quick topic:

"Scum seem to have some sort of impression that I'm a loose cannon that might make a hero shot just because I tinfoiled everyone in the game (my theory for why I keep being sent). Scum, that's not how I play."

how is that a real thought?

how is thunal, (town thunal who is supposedly offering her real thoughts) thinks that realistically she could be chosen to shoot instead of nutella?

i am not under the impression that thunal spouts random nonsense like someone like tutuu would do

i think what she said there doesnt makes sense from a town pov, and she just wanted to say a sentence in which she could talk to the scum ("hey scum, bla bla") because she thought it would look towny
I don’t think I would have been chosen to shoot, but it feels like the reason they chose me on n3 was so I might shoot Nutella since I suspected her then. Let’s spin the question: how is that a fake thought and how does it benefit scum? I’m on mobile so I’ll be right back to remind everyone why I should be almost clear this game with quotes.

we didnt even agree on nutella being protected last night. nobody said anything. u were the one who placed the votes

u knew very well that the consensus of nutella being our queen and us being her simps is so large that there are no need for words

i do not believe that u srsly had the thought that the last wolf had a thought that u 1. be given the gun over nutella 2. u would SHOOT nutella over martin

we are talking about NIGHT 4 MISSY

NOT NIGHT 3

WOLF

WOLF

WOLF

WOLF DEFELCTING

WHY ARE U MENTIONIGN N3

I QUTED UR LINE FROM LAS TNIGHT'S QUICK TPIC (N4)
WOLF
WOLF

WOLF

WOF

WOLF

DIE

DIE

SHUT UP AND DIE

#2735

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:29 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:27 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:25 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:22 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:20 pm This paranoia is what Martin warned about. I don’t think it’s tutuu so I think we should vote Nook today but I’m definitely not snap voting and I’m going to do some analysis. Being suspected throws me off but it also generates info so I’d like to see if Nook jumps on me.
why is tutuu town?
I think her interactions with Sloonei look good (iirc you agree) and I don’t think scum would be the first to go after me like this when Tutuu could so easily go after Nook instead.
i think that you're saying "(iirc you agree)" as a way of deflecting spf

like

"wtf spf why are u scumreading me for this when ur also townreading tutuu???? do i srsly need to REMIND U that u also townread tutuu"

sorry that im tunneling u but i am going to be tunneling u
not to throw flame on the fire but i came to the near opposite conclusion about tutuu's interactions that thunal is suggesting

wtf i lost count of how many times sloonei spewed me town after i reached 69...

#2736

Meh

POE for me now is thunal/tutu, idk which is better. I don’t really care about order if I’m being accepted as clear, if I’m not then I guess order matters.

Not super thrilled about martin being flipped but whatever

Ego wants it to be tutu so I can have bragging rights, don’t feel super confident either way. If it’s spf or nutes I’m just losing to them and that’s fine atp.

#2737

I dislike solving under heavy suspicion (I'll do it anyway so my reads will be a legacy in f3) since I feel restricted. The crazy tinfoils I did D3 is the stuff I do when I'm given free rein to solve however I want, and I honestly needed them to rigorously test every possible world.

Also, I think outsider bias is real. I'm certainly not using that to clear myself since it's not clearing, but people tend to jump to the conclusion that when everyone they know has been acting within their town meta, the scum must be someone they don't know or don't know well. This is more of a caution than anything since it happened with Martin and now it's happening with me.

#2738

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:30 am I'm caught up. I saw the case on LC. It makes sense; and the tryhard way he went after nutella does feel out-of-place compared to his chill entrance, and sort of feels like the way he played 7th Saga as well. I agree with the points nutella is making and doubly so now that I am strongly townreading her and know her read on LC is in good faith. The way she went after LC today sort of reminds me of when she went after Marcher in Avatar - obviously 1 game sample size isn't great but I do think it's generally indicative that she has really good reason to believe someone is scum.

I'm happy to support an LC exe today - Sloonei/Thunal/LC are all players I'm comfortable with eliminating at this point and would be extremely unsurprised if there was 2 mafia in there.

DUUUUDE

ALISON HAD ALL 3 FUCKING WOLVES

ON DAY 1

DAY

ONE

#2739

well day 2 whatever

it was before we had any scum flips

#2740

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:35 pm Meh

POE for me now is thunal/tutu, idk which is better. I don’t really care about order if I’m being accepted as clear, if I’m not then I guess order matters.

Not super thrilled about martin being flipped but whatever

Ego wants it to be tutu so I can have bragging rights, don’t feel super confident either way. If it’s spf or nutes I’m just losing to them and that’s fine atp.

if you weren't accepted as a clear, who would you want to go out first between those two names?

#2741

I mean I was TRing Martin so I don’t think you can credibly accuse me of outsider bias

Unless you think there’s a reason that spf/nutes should be back in consideration you’re in a POE, that’s how it goes sometimes

#2742

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:39 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:35 pm Meh

POE for me now is thunal/tutu, idk which is better. I don’t really care about order if I’m being accepted as clear, if I’m not then I guess order matters.

Not super thrilled about martin being flipped but whatever

Ego wants it to be tutu so I can have bragging rights, don’t feel super confident either way. If it’s spf or nutes I’m just losing to them and that’s fine atp.
if you weren't accepted as a clear, who would you want to go out first between those two names?

Idk. Probably tutu? It’s purely about positioning yeah, idk which of them is “scummier” or whatever, they’ve both done things that made me think “oh that’s probably town.” But I think an f3 with nanook/nutella/scumTutu is a loss more often than an f3 with nanook/nutella/scumThun, so it’s probably slightly optimal to do tutu first.

Would be better if I’m just accepted as clear tho kek

#2743

wtf nook

remember f3 the entire town decides who gets the gun

u should still yeet based off of who u think is scummier rather than who u think might be a stronger scum player

like at f3 there will be like, what, 8 dead town masons all confirmed town to each other, discussing for 24 hours

#2744

thunal has no reason to townread me she has TMI

because she is EVIL

like, she EATS people dude

she ate my friends

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #2745

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:42 pm But I think an f3 with nanook/nutella/scumTutu is a loss more often than an f3 with nanook/nutella/scumThun,

why?

also, I saw that in the treehouse you suggested sending spf instead of me next time, but now you're assuming I'll be kept for f3. did you just realize not sending me again would be real dumb or

#2746

whats up with that "the poe is tutuu/nook and if tutuu is mafia she would be looking to widen it"?

i think someone said this earlier

wtf is this crap?

i dont care about ur stinkin wrong poe guys i want my friends back. they will pop up from thunal's belly

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #2747

oh yeah also i keep forgetting that the dead townies get a say in f3 lol. well again if i'm there i'm p sure they'll all just vote for me and i'll have the entire pressure of the game on me to not guess wrong :^)

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #2748

actually i guess with f3 the way to do it is pick one of them and if the dead townies think i'm wrong they'll pick the other person to shoot the third person

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #2749

but i assume they wouldn't be able to see my chat so i'd have to make my selection clear in thread by eod today? aaa

#2750

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:52 pm oh yeah also i keep forgetting that the dead townies get a say in f3 lol. well again if i'm there i'm p sure they'll all just vote for me and i'll have the entire pressure of the game on me to not guess wrong :^)

hopefully this doesnt happen but in case it does

Spoiler: show

this is a "break the glass in case of emergency" spoiler nutella

DO NOT CLICK IT otherwise

i repeat. DO NOT CLICK IT.

it is a motivational song for u to help u. EMERGENCY ONLY

(also optional: try to have flashbacks of all of your friends helping you and giving you their power)

Who is the last bad apple?