It's a Mysterious Universe (D6)
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[mention]MacDougall[/mention] please advise
this one thing is tempting me to just go back to poison
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Unlike how he reacted to my vote. He went straight to discredit and hurt me.
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uh not really my point but ok
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Ok so what's your point?
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Nobody will ever take a comment like that seriously so it's safe distancing. It's never town spew.
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I don't mind if you want to kill Poison first.
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idk i feel like i just have a different view of what can consitute spew and that feels like it can be in a different way than what you're talking about
but i may be wrong
but i may be wrong
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In response to Vulgard saying hi to Tony. I did not understand the alleged "slip" that took place here and I would not put it past LC to do some playful distancing like this. I say that more in reference to Vulgard than Tony because that's where my confirmation bias takes me, and also because Vulgard would be a more direct distancing ploy here.
Also feel good about Poison for correcting him here.
This is in response to syn's self-assessment. It is nothing. Paradoxically, it exists.
LC is very quick to jump with all his weight on the Vulgard suspicion. He knows me well enough to know that I'm primarily fishing for reactions right here. Hell, one doesn't even need to know me to gather that here. I'm telegraphing my play in the post. I could see a sort of "TMI" argument here as well: I elaborated no further than "Vulgard is mafia", and LC responded with three specific points that can be counted against him. I am hesitant to award Vulgard townie points.
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I also continue to feel like Alison is town in these interactions. LC is responding to her in a number of places that feel a bit too conversational to be partners, if that makes sense.
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Tony probably doesn't make this claim if he's LC's partner. It is too out-there.
Neither does nutella, and she certainly doesn't follow through with the act.
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uber casual. idk.Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:51 amNice immaculate play, sucka. That'll teach you to think you're better than us.Syn wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:49 amidk how to respond to thisTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:36 am But not doing anything wrong is a scum tell and I’m not even exactly joking
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Pro-Marmot, but I read this more as "I like Marmot, let him play the game" than "Marmot is my teammate, back off." Also I'm not sure LC goes out of his way to defend a teammate against something so soft as self-vote suspicion here. Slight townie point for marmot.
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At this point I'd like to note that LC has talked a lot about Vulgard but, outside of one tiny fluff interaction at the very start of the game, he has not once talked to Vulgard. Make of that what you will.
Ignoring tony, nutella, and alison posts at this stage. they town.
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Conclusions: nutella is town; she shot LC.
Tony is town; LC was pushing him persistently, Tony said he could kill LC with his role, their interactions do not feel like those of teammates.
Alison is town; her interactions with LC/LC's interactions with her have the feel of a mafioso (LC) feeding off a civilian's (Alison) energy.
Enrique is town; LC didn't like it when Enrique called him a suspect.
I would lean town on Marmot. LC stuck his neck out to defend him in such a way that feels unnecessary and uncalled-for if they are partners, then later appeared excited by a potential push (from Syn) against Marmot. This last point might be a slight point in Syn's favor, now that I mention it. That said, I can't give him a confident town read at this point.
Funnygurl barely exists in here. The one interaction I noticed was a defense of Vulgard in response to fgal's suspicion. I'd count that as a point in her favor.
Poison, Syn, and Mac all have some iffiness in here. I would not cross them off the list.
Vulgard is a suspect. LC placed some early suspicion on him but then spent the rest of the day looking like he didn't know what to do with it and actively trying to cram other suspects into the thread. The two of them rarely if ever interacted directly.
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Another thought that just occurred to me: LC spent some time and energy trying to push a case against me. Poison has resisted giving me a town read. I've prodded her on it because I feel like I should be a clear civilian in her eyes specifically right now.
LC's posts indicate that at least one mafia member was trying to drum up suspicion against me. Poison resisting the general consensus of town-reads on me is a lighter step in the same direction as LC.
LC's posts indicate that at least one mafia member was trying to drum up suspicion against me. Poison resisting the general consensus of town-reads on me is a lighter step in the same direction as LC.
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You didn't finish his ISO. You ignored his attack on me voting him lol.
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I was referencing a comment LC made after a previous game in which we caught him in ways he couldn't figure out and decided next time he was town he'd sheep me.
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I did indeed miss that last big post of mac shade. Townie point for Mr Dougall over there
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Alright, great job.
Sloonei and nutella are pretty clearly town to me at this point. I did tell you that Sloonei was solvy in a non-bad-faith way, now you can probably see it.
Nutella dayvigged a mafia. Locktown, reevaluate maybe in LyLo but I doubt she lives that long if town.
More confident about TSP being town now as well.
I'll go into LC spew, too. A part of me doesn't like Mac being like "everyone but Syn and Vulgard is mafia based on LC spew" because that seems like a cop-out response and could possibly lead to chainyeets on town. It feels like he tried to push agenda immediately following his partner kicking the bucket.
Sloonei and nutella are pretty clearly town to me at this point. I did tell you that Sloonei was solvy in a non-bad-faith way, now you can probably see it.
Nutella dayvigged a mafia. Locktown, reevaluate maybe in LyLo but I doubt she lives that long if town.
More confident about TSP being town now as well.
I'll go into LC spew, too. A part of me doesn't like Mac being like "everyone but Syn and Vulgard is mafia based on LC spew" because that seems like a cop-out response and could possibly lead to chainyeets on town. It feels like he tried to push agenda immediately following his partner kicking the bucket.



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I'll just post as I go.
Pretty sure that him agreeing with Sloonei that I'm mafia points toward Sloonei being town. I find it hard to believe that LC would openly align himself with mafia!Sloonei this early and this quickly. Happily jumping on the suspicion on me feels like it should spew me town, from the mindset of "haha, easy target to poke at!", but I guess it's still possible that was distancing.
He also kinda agrees with Alison's scumread on me. He's doing lots of agreeing with scumreads on me. It feels like he's following the threadflow. Not sure if he would do that when a partner is getting heat early. Nothing was stopping him from deflecting onto someone else. Hint hint.
That said, he does later say something to the effect of "we will see," so he has not DECIDED yet whether I am mafia or not. But it's notable how easily he went "haha Vulgard mafia I agree!" I think this might also spew Alison town, for similar reasons as Sloonei.
Defending Syn. I don't really find it AI for Syn.
The post where he votes Sloonei is an even better look for Sloonei.
Interactions with Poison feel VERY W/W. Neither of them is really trying to suspect the other, nor are they trying to openly townread the other. When they interact, there is no attempt to solve each other that I can see. They talk about some previous games and about being happy to meet each other in this game. It's like they already know the other's alignment in their minds.
More defending of Syn. Feels like whiteknighting, but I could see that being distancing. "Also, it's Syn's first game on the site, so it would be especially predatory for them to dive on together." Better look for Syn.
Defending Marmot as well. LC defends plenty of people I would say are "easy targets to push" in this game. I don't think he would whiteknight all of them as mafia. Looking primarily at Syn/Marmot here (sorry if me calling you that offends you).
To be fair, he does randomly shade Marmot right after defending him, which is a better look for Marmot.
Scumread on TSP is very, very random. It almost looks like distancing, but I townread TSP independently. Could just be random shade.
"Also, can you guys maybe not vote for me? Why do I have votes?"
Not sure if there's a way to check the LC wagon at the time, but this post probably says that most, if not all, people that were voting him at the time are likely town. Could potentially give us an additional clear.
Noting that LC slowly shifts into "scumreading Poison" after the threadflow goes in that direction, instead of progressing his read on her by himself. He doesn't really push Poison very hard, either. He did something similar with me earlier, and then he promptly forgot about me after the thread shifted away from me. Both these pushes were most likely in bad faith, and what differentiates the push on Poison from the push on me is that he didn't really try to solve Poison's alignment for over 10 pages, until he was forced to. For me, he instantly decided I'm mafia, then backtracked and... forgot about it?
It feels more like he slowly leaned into pushing on Poison when he really did not want to, meanwhile it came very easy for him to push on me before forgetting about me as a target. I think this says that Poison's pretty likely mafia.
I'm also noting the random shade on Mac at the end, but it's nowhere near enough to say that Mac's spewed town as a result.
Conclusions:
Syn/Marmot might contain 1 mafia based on how LC decided to defend/WK both (and shade one).
Poison is very likely mafia, which aligns with my independent read on her. Kill Poison today.
Alison and Sloonei (and nutella) are certainly town based on LC spew and other factors. Pretty sure he spewed me town as well.
Interaction with TSP is very weird but doesn't really point me in either direction. Same with the Mac interaction.
Don't need to change my vote.
Pretty sure that him agreeing with Sloonei that I'm mafia points toward Sloonei being town. I find it hard to believe that LC would openly align himself with mafia!Sloonei this early and this quickly. Happily jumping on the suspicion on me feels like it should spew me town, from the mindset of "haha, easy target to poke at!", but I guess it's still possible that was distancing.
He also kinda agrees with Alison's scumread on me. He's doing lots of agreeing with scumreads on me. It feels like he's following the threadflow. Not sure if he would do that when a partner is getting heat early. Nothing was stopping him from deflecting onto someone else. Hint hint.
That said, he does later say something to the effect of "we will see," so he has not DECIDED yet whether I am mafia or not. But it's notable how easily he went "haha Vulgard mafia I agree!" I think this might also spew Alison town, for similar reasons as Sloonei.
Defending Syn. I don't really find it AI for Syn.
The post where he votes Sloonei is an even better look for Sloonei.
Interactions with Poison feel VERY W/W. Neither of them is really trying to suspect the other, nor are they trying to openly townread the other. When they interact, there is no attempt to solve each other that I can see. They talk about some previous games and about being happy to meet each other in this game. It's like they already know the other's alignment in their minds.
More defending of Syn. Feels like whiteknighting, but I could see that being distancing. "Also, it's Syn's first game on the site, so it would be especially predatory for them to dive on together." Better look for Syn.
Defending Marmot as well. LC defends plenty of people I would say are "easy targets to push" in this game. I don't think he would whiteknight all of them as mafia. Looking primarily at Syn/Marmot here (sorry if me calling you that offends you).
To be fair, he does randomly shade Marmot right after defending him, which is a better look for Marmot.
Scumread on TSP is very, very random. It almost looks like distancing, but I townread TSP independently. Could just be random shade.
"Also, can you guys maybe not vote for me? Why do I have votes?"
Not sure if there's a way to check the LC wagon at the time, but this post probably says that most, if not all, people that were voting him at the time are likely town. Could potentially give us an additional clear.
Noting that LC slowly shifts into "scumreading Poison" after the threadflow goes in that direction, instead of progressing his read on her by himself. He doesn't really push Poison very hard, either. He did something similar with me earlier, and then he promptly forgot about me after the thread shifted away from me. Both these pushes were most likely in bad faith, and what differentiates the push on Poison from the push on me is that he didn't really try to solve Poison's alignment for over 10 pages, until he was forced to. For me, he instantly decided I'm mafia, then backtracked and... forgot about it?
It feels more like he slowly leaned into pushing on Poison when he really did not want to, meanwhile it came very easy for him to push on me before forgetting about me as a target. I think this says that Poison's pretty likely mafia.
I'm also noting the random shade on Mac at the end, but it's nowhere near enough to say that Mac's spewed town as a result.
Conclusions:
Syn/Marmot might contain 1 mafia based on how LC decided to defend/WK both (and shade one).
Poison is very likely mafia, which aligns with my independent read on her. Kill Poison today.
Alison and Sloonei (and nutella) are certainly town based on LC spew and other factors. Pretty sure he spewed me town as well.
Interaction with TSP is very weird but doesn't really point me in either direction. Same with the Mac interaction.
Don't need to change my vote.



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Having done this, I find it really suspicious that Mac instantly went "LC spewed everyone but Syn and Vulgard town, let's kill Syn and Vulgard." Really feels like a bad-faith opportunistic push and I hate it.
I'd like to focus on Mac after we get Poison.
I'd like to focus on Mac after we get Poison.



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TSP is voting a dead person.
But I guess it means that he was on LC's wagon when LC complained about his wagon, which is a good look for him.
But I guess it means that he was on LC's wagon when LC complained about his wagon, which is a good look for him.



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Funnygurl still voting for No Yeet is unfortunately >rand town unless she does this stupid stuff as mafia too.



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I'd like to form a voltron with nutella, Sloonei, Alison, and TSP.



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Your reason for being active was fake. You are a con artist!!!
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So Vulgard, exactly how many games do you need to read me correctly?
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I won't mind my lynch on D1 tbh. It would not make the thread confuse for a prolonged time and hinder scum hunt. It won't waste some Night actions and it might spew a few people town/scum based on their progression on me.
If I survive this phase, I'll tunnel my scum reads and drop wallies.
Till then, good bye, I'll enjoy my festival!! Might return late at night though.
If I survive this phase, I'll tunnel my scum reads and drop wallies.
Till then, good bye, I'll enjoy my festival!! Might return late at night though.
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Vul/Alison seems good as well. Get them.
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I'm dealing with stuff IRL, should be cleared up in less than 24 hours. So posts are going to be brief for the next while. Mac, Sloonei, nutella, TSP, Enrique town off the flip.
I want to go Poison -> Vulgard. Not sure about Syn.
I want to go Poison -> Vulgard. Not sure about Syn.
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
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Tell me more about this marmot civ reed.
But whyyyyyyy?
But whyyyyyyeeeeeeee?
I'll try again.
I'm a mafia this game and I think I'm the only one.
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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
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*votes LC

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The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
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I don't like Marmot committing to the meme four hours before EOD
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Wait EOD is at 4. That's weird.
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I've got to get food and I'm still not sure what happened but I understand that LC died and flipped mafia and now I'm concerned about my role. Anyways, good news: Nanook games have lots of random kill roles so
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ideally people become more serious as time passes instead of less
voting for LC is a vote throw
and I like banter, but Marmot has low activity and isn't contributing beyond the jokes
I'm not being especially solvy myself so glass houses apply here
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My guess is marmot hasn’t realized that LC died.
It has also been ages since Marmot played a game. I don’t remember him being super active on Day 1s in the past. I’m not disturbed by his light presence so far.
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Accurate?

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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
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Accurate?

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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
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No no I did. That's why I voted for him.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:43 pmMy guess is marmot hasn’t realized that LC died.
It has also been ages since Marmot played a game. I don’t remember him being super active on Day 1s in the past. I’m not disturbed by his light presence so far.


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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
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well now i'm confusedMarmot wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:55 pmNo no I did. That's why I voted for him.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:43 pmMy guess is marmot hasn’t realized that LC died.
It has also been ages since Marmot played a game. I don’t remember him being super active on Day 1s in the past. I’m not disturbed by his light presence so far.![]()
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Oh, I only just realized LC was mafia. I should read the full posts.

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Kill him again!
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Actually, I am often active on Day 1. This is my first game in two years and I kinda forget to check in every 15 minutes like I used to.

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Why are you more concerned about my timing then my actions though??

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The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.