The Simpsons [GAME OVER]

[Marge Simpson]

ISO is actually pretty underwhelming upon reading it after D1.

very underwhelming for them specifically

[Marge Simpson]

also thinking that they know I'm a villager

their treatment of me is a bit uncharacteristic

she also doesn't react back to the people that are town reading her and doesn't look into them and calls them town, which she almost never does as a town, especially seeing that their latest M.O to catching wolves is figuring out people's reads on them.

didn't react to me, bart, hugh in a meaningful way to sorting our alignment and the alison reaction I believe wasn't really reasonable.

i think this is one of the only reads that are a tad bit >rand atm, especially after 2 days of no fucking content because we keep yeeting the inactives

Bart's MO as a town to catching wolves is to react to people's reads on them

but as a wolf, you don't wanna do that because you wanna accept the town reads on yourself, and they've been town reading almost everyone that placed a town read there : me, bart, tried to fake a progression on caring about how Hugh treated them but didn't go anywhere.

also they seem to have town reads that are sprouting out of nowhere on a few actives which reads uncharacteristic too

that's all, later

[PonySparkPrime]

[VOTE: Bart ] aubergine

[PonySparkPrime]

also thinking that they know I'm a villager

their treatment of me is a bit uncharacteristic

she also doesn't react back to the people that are town reading her and doesn't look into them and calls them town, which she almost never does as a town, especially seeing that their latest M.O to catching wolves is figuring out people's reads on them.

didn't react to me, bart, hugh in a meaningful way to sorting our alignment and the alison reaction I believe wasn't really reasonable.

i think this is one of the only reads that are a tad bit >rand atm, especially after 2 days of no fucking content because we keep yeeting the inactives

Bart's MO as a town to catching wolves is to react to people's reads on them

but as a wolf, you don't wanna do that because you wanna accept the town reads on yourself, and they've been town reading almost everyone that placed a town read there : me, bart, tried to fake a progression on caring about how Hugh treated them but didn't go anywhere.

also they seem to have town reads that are sprouting out of nowhere on a few actives which reads uncharacteristic too

that's all, later

Did you address this post at whom?

[PonySparkPrime]

Marge: why is Hugh scum?
Bart: because he is, why is he town?
Marge: he is bleeding towniness, why you SR him?
Bart: he is too towny
Marge: votes Bart.

I expected this, after i said why i have a hunch of why Homer died and i said i can tinfoil Marge. Effect has always a cause.

[PonySparkPrime]

Noted her flip of read before my GTH announced exercise too

who is here and wants to take part?

[PonySparkPrime]

5 mins until i post the first 3 players list

[PonySparkPrime]

2 mins.. come on, is no one here?

[PonySparkPrime]

okay, my first trio to check GTH

Otto
Marge
Gramps

[Hugh Jass]

I'm here, gimme a few minutes to catch up

[PonySparkPrime]

I'm here, gimme a few minutes to catch up

GTH means you should ignore the catch up

[Hugh Jass]

Fake news

[Hugh Jass]

I'm ready do we have a third? 2 people is lame

[PonySparkPrime]

ISO is actually pretty underwhelming upon reading it after D1.

very underwhelming for them specifically

I think this is for me specifically, and i so love meta reads, maybe you could define underwhelming, and what very may add at the read?

In simple words i think you flipped the read after i pulled some strings and this is looking very bad after you backtracked from Burns' scum read like that.

[PonySparkPrime]

I'm ready do we have a third? 2 people is lame

nope, everyone sleeps. why is lame?

[Hugh Jass]

@Allison Taylor You asked me earlier about Krusty, what are your thoughts on him?

I gave some thoughts on him earlier. I think his entrance into D3 was pretty townie. I think him wailing on Skinner is not as scummy as some have made it out to be - eg. Burns is doing the same, and it's not like wolf Krusty gets anywhere trying to push a Skinner misexe. I liked his posts D1 and D2 - generally, his tone has been good and his reads have been thoughtful. If he has an agenda I don't see it. The one thing that gives me pause about him is Otto starting to have serious doubts about him - Otto knows him from offsite and they have enough history together to give confident meta takes on each other. But if we set the Otto stuff aside, I think Krusty has actually been pretty town.

Huh I'm in a different world there, I wouldn't call what I saw thoughtful. I'll see where I end up after going over him in isolation. What's your PoE like?

My POE right now is like Lisa and Grampa. Beyond that is starting to get into the territory of people I have active reason to trust. Probably Grumple, since I liked him D1 but haven't really seen anything that has stood out to me as particularly impressive afterwards.

Do you not think it is time to start getting into that territory and reassess? There are 3 wolves alive. I feel like you've been going at the game one target at a time each phase. I don't think it's inherently a bad thing especially if someone is confident in their reads, but you don't give off that vibe. And it also stands in stark contrast with your earlier assessment on the state of the game.

[PonySparkPrime]

Fake news

meaning?

[Hugh Jass]

I'm ready do we have a third? 2 people is lame

nope, everyone sleeps. why is lame?

Think I saw Marge reading the thread, maybe she'll pop up. It's better the more people participate at the same time, I'm down to go at it alone if no one does though. We good

[Hugh Jass]

Fake news

meaning?

Ignoring catching up.

[Hugh Jass]

I feel like I know you Bart, I just can't put my fingers on it lol

[Hugh Jass]

About the 5 players poe, looks like a trap, even if we.can make a consensus poe of 5 that will contain villagers too and wolves can switch the elim of a mate in the Poe with a new mischop especially if at least one wolf is outside the Poe.

A PoE by nature contains civilians. What do you mean by trap?

[PonySparkPrime]

I feel like I know you Bart, I just can't put my fingers on it lol

we talked on phone

[PonySparkPrime]

About the 5 players poe, looks like a trap, even if we.can make a consensus poe of 5 that will contain villagers too and wolves can switch the elim of a mate in the Poe with a new mischop especially if at least one wolf is outside the Poe.

A PoE by nature contains civilians. What do you mean by trap?

you should do it in day 1, now town can't make a poe of 5 and win the game

[Hugh Jass]

i have him in the Poe, i gave reasons above

I wouldn't call those reasons.

He doesn't look stressed by the game at all.

What are the criteria here? I've been pretty stressed by this game lol.

too much towniness and no solviness, i will Iso him after Gramps

What does this mean?

[Hugh Jass]

About the 5 players poe, looks like a trap, even if we.can make a consensus poe of 5 that will contain villagers too and wolves can switch the elim of a mate in the Poe with a new mischop especially if at least one wolf is outside the Poe.

A PoE by nature contains civilians. What do you mean by trap?

you should do it in day 1, now town can't make a poe of 5 and win the game

Of course it can if townies find each other. My D1 was D2 and that's when I did mine. Wolves influencing it is a given, they'll also influence a non-PoE timeline.

[Hugh Jass]

You're right in a sense though that not everyone is on the same page at all. There is barely any consensus whatsoever thread wise.

[Hugh Jass]

We have Principal Skinner though

[Hugh Jass]

I feel like I know you Bart, I just can't put my fingers on it lol

we talked on phone

Indeed, a very nice young man.

[Hugh Jass]

Locking in Dunia as my guess

[PonySparkPrime]

About the 5 players poe, looks like a trap, even if we.can make a consensus poe of 5 that will contain villagers too and wolves can switch the elim of a mate in the Poe with a new mischop especially if at least one wolf is outside the Poe.

A PoE by nature contains civilians. What do you mean by trap?

you should do it in day 1, now town can't make a poe of 5 and win the game

Of course it can if townies find each other. My D1 was D2 and that's when I did mine. Wolves influencing it is a given, they'll also influence a non-PoE timeline.

who is scum in your view?

[Hugh Jass]

About the 5 players poe, looks like a trap, even if we.can make a consensus poe of 5 that will contain villagers too and wolves can switch the elim of a mate in the Poe with a new mischop especially if at least one wolf is outside the Poe.

A PoE by nature contains civilians. What do you mean by trap?

you should do it in day 1, now town can't make a poe of 5 and win the game

Of course it can if townies find each other. My D1 was D2 and that's when I did mine. Wolves influencing it is a given, they'll also influence a non-PoE timeline.

who is scum in your view?

Lisa, Krusty and I guess Burns. PoE style Grumple and Grampa completes it. I'm actually tempted to switch the latter with someone from my town picks, I did a huge 180 on him. Grumple's indignation with the tie break felt underwhelming and I don't really buy into the tie meta argument, think it's also a not the time to be ticked about it since we haven't actually seen Lisa flip yet to draw conclusion from it. It's meh.

In yours?

[Hugh Jass]

I keep pushing myself off Burns because, given our play style difference there's the argument of "man, maybe this guy just has his usual weird ass perspectives that I never get and that's why I think he's scum"

This echoes some of the reservation thoughts I had about him towards the end of the iso. Also re-reading some old posts after having interacting with him more directly on D2. This is especially true for his attitude and handling of people. There is the hard ass Mr Burns, and sometimes it slips which makes me think that it's actually just fake being used to sell a concerned and engaged vibe. It's noticeable in his handling of me and Otto I feel, read our early interactions on D2 (please do if you town lol). It's also there in regards to his reads and commitment to them, he's soft on the edges to the point where I feel he isn't really as concerned with who gets chopped and solving the game as he is with appearing aggressive and engaged.

[PonySparkPrime]

Spoiler: show

About the 5 players poe, looks like a trap, even if we.can make a consensus poe of 5 that will contain villagers too and wolves can switch the elim of a mate in the Poe with a new mischop especially if at least one wolf is outside the Poe.

A PoE by nature contains civilians. What do you mean by trap?

you should do it in day 1, now town can't make a poe of 5 and win the game

Of course it can if townies find each other. My D1 was D2 and that's when I did mine. Wolves influencing it is a given, they'll also influence a non-PoE timeline.

who is scum in your view?

Lisa, Krusty and I guess Burns. PoE style Grumple and Grampa completes it. I'm actually tempted to switch the latter with someone from my town picks, I did a huge 180 on him. Grumple's indignation with the tie break felt underwhelming and I don't really buy into the tie meta argument, think it's also a not the time to be ticked about it since we haven't actually seen Lisa flip yet to draw conclusion from it. It's meh.

In yours?

too many thread consensus flipped villagers, i think the game is in scum's hands who may not even be wagoned, idk really

i already said i see you scum, and Burns GTH town and Marge came and changed read for Burns and voted me.

This is after she pretended to know who i am and gave me a pockety underserved TR, who looked convenient because i wasn't dangerous.
I think this is scummy behaviour and i would not be surprised for Marge to be an alien who kidnapped mom and wants to eat me alive now.

[PonySparkPrime]

[Marge Simpson]

ISO is actually pretty underwhelming upon reading it after D1.

very underwhelming for them specifically

I think this is for me specifically, and i so love meta reads, maybe you could define underwhelming, and what very may add at the read?

In simple words i think you flipped the read after i pulled some strings and this is looking very bad after you backtracked from Burns' scum read like that.

I think your hunting has been very limited and the best vote you could come up with in 3 days was that Hugh was looking too townie to be a scum here.

you aren't so focused on town reads either.

also, for the red line, I don't know why that'd "look bad" unless you think we're somehow w/w together?

I didn't really back track, like I'm still down to vote burns but I acknowledge that I don't have a good time reading them because most of their thoughts I dismiss as being fake but a lot of it is because we just see the game very differently, so I can't really get a confident read there.

[PonySparkPrime]

ISO is actually pretty underwhelming upon reading it after D1.

very underwhelming for them specifically

I think this is for me specifically, and i so love meta reads, maybe you could define underwhelming, and what very may add at the read?

In simple words i think you flipped the read after i pulled some strings and this is looking very bad after you backtracked from Burns' scum read like that.

I think your hunting has been very limited and the best vote you could come up with in 3 days was that Hugh was looking too townie to be a scum here.

you aren't so focused on town reads either.

also, for the red line, I don't know why that'd "look bad" unless you think we're somehow w/w together?

I didn't really back track, like I'm still down to vote burns but I acknowledge that I don't have a good time reading them because most of their thoughts I dismiss as being fake but a lot of it is because we just see the game very differently, so I can't really get a confident read there.

I think is pretty obvious when i have a SR on Hugh and rescinded the TR for you that i see a world where you can be scum together.

Your last sentence lets you room for going after the thread's flow with voting Burns if needed.

About my reads, please give me concrete complaints with quotes, not generalities, and my reasons for Hugh to be scum are many, i wonder if you read my posts, seems like you skipped a big hunch of the thread if you don't know why I SR Hugh and take just the last one i posted at your stance that he is omega towny.

No doubt, that was a line of thinking who showed you know some things i don't know

Spoiler: show

skimmed hugh's iso and he's probably the towniest person in the game

would like to hear why people have him in the PoE / scum read them

i have him in the Poe, i gave reasons above. He doesn't look stressed by the game at all.

Can you tell me what is so towny for him?

did you read his D1 / D2 early posts?

every post up to and including the wall with thoughts is like omega towny

especially their reactions to burns and gramps

why aren't you town reading them??

Writing catch up posts is very easy to do and posting wallies is not an obvious town behaviour.

Do you have a certainty on any player's AI to judge a reaction as genuine?

I said his posts on Burns without conclusion are busy work and easy to fake as scum, and also i said he looks content with the gamestate and he îs suggesting a 5 players Poe when we can't afford to miselim 5 players.

I feel like i talked to a wall.

[PonySparkPrime]

Moreover you both were itt and refused the GTH exercise

[Marge Simpson]

not a huge fan of GTH stuff

Do you have a certainty on any player's AI to judge a reaction as genuine?

also, I don't know what this is supposed to mean

[PonySparkPrime]

not a huge fan of GTH stuff

Do you have a certainty on any player's AI to judge a reaction as genuine?

also, I don't know what this is supposed to mean

Didn't you say you TR him for the reaction on Burns and Gramps? If you are villager you don't know their AI so you should be more prudent, but you are posting like you know.

[Marge Simpson]

i don't need to know the alignment of two people in order to draw out the conclusion that Hugh reacted like a villager

wat

[PonySparkPrime]

i don't need to know the alignment of two people in order to draw out the conclusion that Hugh reacted like a villager

wat

How do you know he reacted like a villager?
Can you quote please?

[NurseWilgy]

Lisa's post count is way off her D1 & D2, she's contributed 1 post so far D3. I'd like to see a Lisa vs Burns wagon, soooooooo

[Marge Simpson]

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

[VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

bro it's a #23 vote for Huge Ass what do you want from me

To just vote, not talk.

Why are you on Mill?

Spoiler: show

Grandpa is creeping me out. Seems to have had a weird obsession with inactives and especially me. He tagged me, and mentioned my name a couple of times.

[VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

[VOTE: Grampa] aubergine

[VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

bro it's a #23 vote for Huge Ass what do you want from me

[VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

bro it's a #23 vote for Huge Ass what do you want from me

To just vote, not talk.

@Hugh Jass: This'll come across defensive as hell since it's coming from me, but was an OMGUS vote—based on a joke vote from the beginning of the game—right before EOD really the best you were able to muster in a little over half an hour? After a day of being able to read back, what are your reads, if any?

Same to you @Milhouse Van Houten. Anything beyond the town/scum wall now?

Hugh, you mentioned I have a "weird obsession" with inactives, but this is why. We have nothing (majorly actionable) to work off of from you two after an entire cycle. I'm not asking you to flood us with in-depth reads, nobody's really doing that, but like, something? Anything? After 72 hours, what's the scoop?

Before the spew clear and role claim I was pretty comfortable with the Flanders/Skinner wagons, and hadn't really built a major POE beyond that except with poking holes in what Marge was saying re: Homer and generally being unimpressed with Milhouse's empty wall. Will need to fix that today at some point.

Can't do better than voting Mafia. It's pretty disingenuous to label it as an OMGUS vote, I clearly mentioned your behavior of obsessing over inactives as well as your comment accompanying the vote. Also an omgus would imply that you actually suspected me rather than just a joke vote.

This is a bullshit argument. You tagging me and mentioning me throughout the phase when I haven't even entered the thread doesn't align with that at all. I'd accept that if I was already here and doing nothing or dipped, and you wanted to hear more about me. It comes off more as scum having trouble engaging with the happenings of the thread and creating content, and then using inactives to that end. It's a cheap way of selling an engaged and concerned vibe.

Post 425: Case in point in this post. It's an awful post, even worse is I, a no poster, is mentioned in it. Like how was I even worthy of mentioning at all in it as an option. The "seems better thzn chopping a no-show in Hugh" is ridiculous. It's the scum having troubled to create genuine substance I'm talking about. You're using that bit as a way to sell of your vote and fluffing your post. Same with Milhouse there.

I haven't read everything yet.

The old man looks terrible in a lot of ways, but is also right that Hugh Jass voted for him for NONE of those reasons and Hugh Jass looks terrible as well.

I hate this read. I think this comes from a wolf more often than not, like it doesn't feel real at all. It's scheme-y as hell, the way he engages and accept the suspicion on gramps at a superficial level without getting into anything concrete, while at the same time shading me who also happen to be at odds with the gramps.

Like the way he goes one about gramps being suspicious for several reasons, and me suspecting me for none of those reasons. The emphasis of none feels fake lol.

Waiting for him to expand.

Can't do better than voting Mafia. It's pretty disingenuous to label it as an OMGUS vote, I clearly mentioned your behavior of obsessing over inactives as well as your comment accompanying the vote. Also an omgus would imply that you actually suspected me rather than just a joke vote.

This is a bullshit argument. You tagging me and mentioning me throughout the phase when I haven't even entered the thread doesn't align with that at all. I'd accept that if I was already here and doing nothing or dipped, and you wanted to hear more about me. It comes off more as scum having trouble engaging with the happenings of the thread and creating content, and then using inactives to that end. It's a cheap way of selling an engaged and concerned vibe.

Post 425: Case in point in this post. It's an awful post, even worse is I, a no poster, is mentioned in it. Like how was I even worthy of mentioning at all in it as an option. The "seems better thzn chopping a no-show in Hugh" is ridiculous. It's the scum having troubled to create genuine substance I'm talking about. You're using that bit as a way to sell of your vote and fluffing your post. Same with Milhouse there.

I haven't read everything yet.

you just made me ISO myself, and I resent that

I tagged you one singular time before D2 (and it was after people started pressuring Homer for dipping, so seems relevant to the situation at the time of you still not having posted by then), mentioned you a couple times when talking about zero posters (a shocking twist that you, a zero poster, would be mentioned in such a thing)

anyways, where I come from, inactivity ends up being a scum-tell more often than it doesn't

that may not be the case here and I accept that, and I am trying to not base my reads and moves solely off of that

Speaking of "here," is there any way to see vote history?

I'm pretty sure when I switched my vote to Lisa at the end of D1, I was the only voter on her, or maybe the second (leave obvious room for error here since apparently my memory is absolute garbage). Who did I sell my vote to? Then I switched to the Milhouse wagon, which clearly parses since, as you describe, I'm "weirdly obsessed" with inactives

(even though my case on Milhouse went beyond simply not being here: it was based on him coming by to drop a single town/scum wall and then disappearing again; not participating and then showing up to offer no actionable reads before going back to not participating is not town-y, and in a world of claims and spew, seemed as good a choice as any)

Do you suspect me for being absent up until the last half hour or so?

To the thread, to anyone reading your posts. I didn't mean it as in you trying to get people to join on that wagon, more like selling it as legitimate I guess.

What was suspicious about him dropping that town/scum wall? Did you have no other wolf read from D1?

I have made reads. I called Mill a townie, and he flipped Town. I called Gramps a wolf, and I'm calling you one now.

three names drawn apparently from a hat and attached to words aren't "reads."

Mill -

Mill is town for that post calling alignment based on entrance posts. I'm having trouble seeing a flanking wolf do that post and then just dip, it's the kind of unprompted things that usually comes from town, like I guess he had the urge to do alignment guesses for fun.

Gramps -

Spoiler: show

Grandpa is creeping me out. Seems to have had a weird obsession with inactives and especially me. He tagged me, and mentioned my name a couple of times.

[VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

Spoiler: show

Grandpa is creeping me out. Seems to have had a weird obsession with inactives and especially me. He tagged me, and mentioned my name a couple of times.

[VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

[VOTE: Grampa] aubergine

[VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

bro it's a #23 vote for Huge Ass what do you want from me

[VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

bro it's a #23 vote for Huge Ass what do you want from me

To just vote, not talk.

@Hugh Jass: This'll come across defensive as hell since it's coming from me, but was an OMGUS vote—based on a joke vote from the beginning of the game—right before EOD really the best you were able to muster in a little over half an hour? After a day of being able to read back, what are your reads, if any?

Same to you @Milhouse Van Houten. Anything beyond the town/scum wall now?

Hugh, you mentioned I have a "weird obsession" with inactives, but this is why. We have nothing (majorly actionable) to work off of from you two after an entire cycle. I'm not asking you to flood us with in-depth reads, nobody's really doing that, but like, something? Anything? After 72 hours, what's the scoop?

Before the spew clear and role claim I was pretty comfortable with the Flanders/Skinner wagons, and hadn't really built a major POE beyond that except with poking holes in what Marge was saying re: Homer and generally being unimpressed with Milhouse's empty wall. Will need to fix that today at some point.

Can't do better than voting Mafia. It's pretty disingenuous to label it as an OMGUS vote, I clearly mentioned your behavior of obsessing over inactives as well as your comment accompanying the vote. Also an omgus would imply that you actually suspected me rather than just a joke vote.

This is a bullshit argument. You tagging me and mentioning me throughout the phase when I haven't even entered the thread doesn't align with that at all. I'd accept that if I was already here and doing nothing or dipped, and you wanted to hear more about me. It comes off more as scum having trouble engaging with the happenings of the thread and creating content, and then using inactives to that end. It's a cheap way of selling an engaged and concerned vibe.

Post 425: Case in point in this post. It's an awful post, even worse is I, a no poster, is mentioned in it. Like how was I even worthy of mentioning at all in it as an option. The "seems better thzn chopping a no-show in Hugh" is ridiculous. It's the scum having troubled to create genuine substance I'm talking about. You're using that bit as a way to sell of your vote and fluffing your post. Same with Milhouse there.

I haven't read everything yet.

You -

The old man looks terrible in a lot of ways, but is also right that Hugh Jass voted for him for NONE of those reasons and Hugh Jass looks terrible as well.

I hate this read. I think this comes from a wolf more often than not, like it doesn't feel real at all. It's scheme-y as hell, the way he engages and accept the suspicion on gramps at a superficial level without getting into anything concrete, while at the same time shading me who also happen to be at odds with the gramps.

Like the way he goes one about gramps being suspicious for several reasons, and me suspecting me for none of those reasons. The emphasis of none feels fake lol.

Waiting for him to expand.

Cool story bro

I have made reads. I called Mill a townie, and he flipped Town. I called Gramps a wolf, and I'm calling you one now.

Sorry twenty minute man, but I just am not ready to buy into "I showed up, skimmed the thread, and KNEW the low poster was town." If you did REALLY KNOW it's because he wasn't in your wolf room. If you are just "well, he was no worse than rand and I happened to guess right" then get off your high horse.

I absolutely couldn't care less if you're buying into whatever "it" is lol. There is also no "KNEW", you're being extremely disingenuous here. It is expected though. I highlighted the read I made on Mill just in response to you saying I haven't made any reads.

He was indeed no worse than rand, and that is my opinion lol. I'm not on any high horse, you're the one apparently all worked up. Relax, buddy.

Finally caught up! I'm feeling things, feeling a lot of things but I'm having trouble trying to put them into words lol. It was also pretty difficult internalizing information, felt like reading posts from new players everywhere and the lack of familiarity with avys I guess you get lost sometimes and don't even remember who said what.

I think my strongest town reads would be Marge, Otto and Alison. Found myself agreeing with like almost everything Marge saying and that's pretty crazy lol. We have the two same scum reads and like most of her posts comes off as natural and you can see her train of thoughts. They're like open and accessible if that makes any sense, doesn't feel like there is an agenda behind them. I usually find the "lol" and other laughing acronyms as scum tells sometimes when they don't really match the tone and vibe of a player, and they're like using them to sweeten their post and comes off as anxious. Here it feels like she's just having fun, and it kind of gives off a good care free vibe that is townie.

Otto and Alison are the og contributors of the thread. I liked the energy they came in with, and it felt like it came with genuine game solving intent. Didn't really agree all that much with some of Otto's reads but they felt genuine, a lot of progression and reconsiderations which makes me feel like he's trying to figure out people for real and not just putting a show. I particularly liked post 72, I think it's the kind of post that only town does. It's nothing fancy but like scum never make them because they're never solving for real. I don't know if this make any sense lol, it's like the kind of self reflecting and gathering of thoughts that comes from a townie mindset when they're trying to get a feel for the state of the game. Agreed with his Gtumple take, felt also genuine and not like him wanting to get Grumple off his back. I understand it too 'cause you usually can have personal takes on how someone is treating you so you can get reads from it, I'm a no u specialist since I feel like I have good instincts for when scum is pushing me for bullshit reasons lol. Overall have the same thought about Alison, I liked her Gramps take and while I started suspecting him for different and more personal reasons, her take are good. The change of speed of Gramps is particularily telling. I also like her feelings about the state of the game and how its going, feel like genuine town concerns.

Pretty much agree with Marge about Homer. The idgaf attitude her and not tailoring his game to people especially after getting prodded is more likely town than not. Also it actually feels genuine, rather than like a scum trying to sell that fake bravado. He kind of embodies it here lol. The lock town on Mill is absolutely beautiful.

I'm having some trouble with CBG, little bit of a love hate relationship. I kind of read his concise posts as town like, they feel like naked thoughts and right to the point. Also some of the silly one liners he's dished have surprisingly pinged me town lol. He has that same attitude vibe that Homer have, although it's not something that is unfakeable (if that is word). Not sure if I'm dumb but post 417 is town for me lmao. We have Mill about to get eliminated, and it's like a meme-y mafia read on him that I just don't think Mafia ever makes. It's fucking hilarious.

Unlike his parents, I have no fucking clue who Bart is. He's in my townpile though. I guess for the bland reasons that his thoughts are genuine bla bla bla lol. I kind of like the little work he's done when he's been playing the game and contributing. Feels real to me, and while it actually matches other peoples reads especially the scum reads, it kind of comes off as he's coming into them on his own like he's playing the game at his own pace.

Kristy, and Lisa are in my PoE. I haven't really figured them out much and some stuff have pinged me. Also not a lot of things to work with. Krusty gives off a weird disattached vibe, like he's a robot if that makes sense lol. There is like no emotion accompanying his posts and it comes off as if he's not actually trying to figure people out just asking questions. Speaking of questions, I'm not seeing him reach much conclusions and seems like he's just faking contributions through those questions who don't seem most of the time to be stuff that will actually help him figure someone out. More like bland and semantic stuff that I guess help him fake contribution. I think his take on Mill's wall post is the kind of wolfy remark used to shade others. He's like piggy backing off others when they're discussing Mill, and he just pops in to point out something that can be seen as scummy and then nothing further. He dips from there with clean hands. Kind of saw it that way.

Not a big fan of Lisa's little contribution. Feels like she's hunting some easy posts to go off of, and then just share some bland takes. She's kind of using them to appear as if contributing. It's not the lack of reasoning that is off to me, it's more like they seem to be random as hell. There is no train of thoughts or contuinity to them, she's not like quoting different posts about a same discussion trying to give her thoughts about them or add to the discussion. She's more putting her hand into a lot of different discussion to I guess appear more visible, and broaden her reach.

Already talked about Gramps and Burns who are at the bottom of my PoE. Haven't really moved much off of them after catching up completely, although I'd say I'm still mulling over some things I've seen from Gramps. Also the inactives thing could be a culture/playstyle clash, but even then I'm not a big fan of the rest of his contribution. The gear shift that Alison built her case on is something I agree with as well. Scums are more likely to make it when called out, and it kind of shows that whatever vibe or attitude they had prior was fake.

I still fucking hate Mr. Burns with a passion. I think he was trying to discredit early on Alison and Otto with the fear mongering about them potentially power wolfing. It's a cheap way to shade someone while posing it as a an open ended question, "oh I'm just aking myself" "I'm not sure". It sounds so fucking fake, and it's usually the kind of cowardy wolf tactics to shade loud voices. No fucking townie put that thought out there immediately. It's so slimy lol.

I've got more thoughts there, and also more thoughts in general but this is it for this post. It actually fucking sucks to come from behind 'cause I have so many problems trying to put into words everything I want to say lol. I guess that'll serve me missing the whole phase. Hopefully I'll keep being up to date this phase. I initially thought about iso-ing every single player and then sharing my thoughts posts by posts as that'd be easier, but fuck that lmao.

I was fine with all of these posts

[Marge Simpson]

sure whatever, I can compromise

feel like Bart reacted villagery here and it may be worth sheeping them

my reads are gonna be bad probably because of the game environment, the way the game is and the combo of players and their views makes it hard for me to get accurate reads

[VOTE: Hugh Jass ] aubergine

[PonySparkPrime]

so the emotional pain didn't go away and on top of that now I have a sort of physical one as well

worth it for about 2 hours if you ask me

I see now while everyone posted things Marge wasn't really active.

Alcohol leads to violence.

That's noooot true!

Statistics says it is

Kinda getting the feeling pretty much all the posters so far are town. Maybe one or two maf between Allison, Grumple and Flanders with the bulk of the bad guys laying low hoping for town to destroy itself
Looking at Skinner, Burns, Milhouse and Hugh Jazz.
So yes, I've named half the fucking roster, need more players to post to start narrowing down from that pool.

How do you feel now about your starting list?

[VOTE: Bart Simpson] aubergine

For stealing my saxophone! ...And for telling us to post less after telling us to post more.

Heyyyyy. Otto might be blotto but Krusty smells like moldy cheese and awkward entrances.
Whoaaaaa

I'm not sure about that one Otto, I think Krusty's entrance is okay, and I think OMGUS is slightly town indicative.

I think now what Alison said was a misunderstanding.

[VOTE: skinner ] aubergine

First vote on Skinner, i wonder why him from a large pool of inactives?

Feeling the same way with Burns saying his acct was messed up.

I lumped Burns, Skinner, Milhouse and Hugh Jass as the slanking mafia earlier then boom, both Skinner and Burns pop in with excuse posts.

Gross

I find this pretty hilarious, though i think Otto should be happy for players showing up, no matter what reasons to be late they had

[Boringboi666]

Grumple's indignation with the tie break felt underwhelming and I don't really buy into the tie meta argument, think it's also a not the time to be ticked about it since we haven't actually seen Lisa flip yet to draw conclusion from it. It's meh.

Incorrect. The time to be indignant about recklessly ties is always. Tie meta is amazing and anyone who says otherwise is a cop who hates fun.

I was mostly questioning Otto to figure out his motivation for his vote change. From my perspective, as a person who was also voting to maintain the tie to see if anyone would try to pull some shit on it, Otto's vote stuck out as preventing that or being that. That's why it irked me.

[Boringboi666]

[VOTE: Krusty Clown] aubergine as a placeholder for now

[PonySparkPrime]

sure whatever, I can compromise

feel like Bart reacted villagery here and it may be worth sheeping them

my reads are gonna be bad probably because of the game environment, the way the game is and the combo of players and their views makes it hard for me to get accurate reads

[VOTE: Hugh Jass ] aubergine

I am officially confused by this, Hugh was your omega town, i was your spicy take and you sheep me becasue i am convinced?

[Hugh Jass]

Spoiler: show

About the 5 players poe, looks like a trap, even if we.can make a consensus poe of 5 that will contain villagers too and wolves can switch the elim of a mate in the Poe with a new mischop especially if at least one wolf is outside the Poe.

A PoE by nature contains civilians. What do you mean by trap?

you should do it in day 1, now town can't make a poe of 5 and win the game

Of course it can if townies find each other. My D1 was D2 and that's when I did mine. Wolves influencing it is a given, they'll also influence a non-PoE timeline.

who is scum in your view?

Lisa, Krusty and I guess Burns. PoE style Grumple and Grampa completes it. I'm actually tempted to switch the latter with someone from my town picks, I did a huge 180 on him. Grumple's indignation with the tie break felt underwhelming and I don't really buy into the tie meta argument, think it's also a not the time to be ticked about it since we haven't actually seen Lisa flip yet to draw conclusion from it. It's meh.

In yours?

too many thread consensus flipped villagers, i think the game is in scum's hands who may not even be wagoned, idk really

i already said i see you scum, and Burns GTH town and Marge came and changed read for Burns and voted me.

This is after she pretended to know who i am and gave me a pockety underserved TR, who looked convenient because i wasn't dangerous.
I think this is scummy behaviour and i would not be surprised for Marge to be an alien who kidnapped mom and wants to eat me alive now.

I don't remember you having an issue with her TR. You agreed with my take on her.

What are your thoughts on Lisa? I asked you a few questions about it yesterday.

[PonySparkPrime]

I think i need a break