The Hobbit Mafia: Day 12

#1051

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
A Person wrote:i just remembered to vote but the poll's over

it's ok, I'll be extra diligent from now on.

#1052

Kyle, ripiywg. I'll miss you in the game.

#1053

Day 3

The bunch set off down the path, brooding. Talk would be even more serious today, after the reminder of the danger they faced.

As he walked along, Gloin remembered something he had heard the night before. It came to him in a whisper, almost as if in a dream.

..."I don't know, I think she has some mind of BTSC going on but I don't know if it's bad. Any Civs that have it?"
"Yeah, I think there is a pair of civs with it."

He struggled to remember more, but eventually despaired.

As the group continued on, the trees seemed to close in on them. No one noticed all at once, but they felt the increasing thickness of the wood as a claustrophobic pressure. Even more so, the trees themselves seemed to be brooding, as if they resented the group's passing. They saw little life, only a few scrawny black squirrels, and few dark shapes in the corners of their eyes, all of which darted aside at the group's rustling approach. They paid little heed, talking and marching, marching and talking, on and on...

#1054

Here to check in but still have not caught up. Sheesh, you people are talkative when it's night time! I myself am a diurnal creature.

I had a super awesome day at work today and am currently super irritable. I'm gonna cool off for a bit and then try to read through the thread.

In the words of Arnold, I'll be back.

#1055

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#1056

Epignosis is on and has yet to vote for me. This definitely makes me think he was just gauging my reaction to his suspicions.

#1057

Rest in peace Kyle.

Elo, who do you think could be on MP/FZ's team?

#1058

RIPIYWG Kyle :/

#1059

RIPIYWG Kyle

#1060

I am caught up. Now I need to sleep and think about things a little. I have no idea what to think about some of the popular targets (Elohcin and Mongoose). More reading to come...

#1061

RIP Kyle. You seemed like an odd choice for an NK.

And I knew trying to swim across that river was a bad idea.

#1062

insertnamehere wrote:OK, this is more than a little bit sloppy, I had to mess with the formatting in order to fit it all in one screenshot. It may be hard to read. If you have trouble, use the link the see the actual version. It's much easier to read.

http://imgur.com/ZCm2bO7

Click on the image to get a larger version.

What's also interesting to note about FZ and MP according to the chart is that their scores for each other, though they talked about each other a lot, only ended up being -5 and -2... so between the two of them it was not the truly hard distancing like Dom's score (-26) or k4j's (-23). Also odd to see the -31 for Vompatti. I hadn't picked up on them saying much about Vomps. Considering that neither of them have ANY mentions of other low-activity players, he does stand out. Were they trying to throw him under the bus?

What's also interesting is that they both seemed to talk about SD a fair bit, and said mostly negative things, but other than voting for her they kept it light - again, just going by INH's chart, I haven't yet looked to check what exactly they have said about Daisy.

#1063

Okay you guys... Daisy's got me eyeing her again after I went back and reread this post, including the conversation she had with FZ in the embedded quote (she's quoting her conversation with FZ as part of her defense). It reads like a lot of appealing

It would also be one-way distancing, as Daisy never mentions FZ (outside of talking to her in the above conversation)... until Daisy votes for her. Dun dun dun.

Spacedaisy wrote:MP was a goner when I posted my support of him, he was ahead by like three votes with eight minutes to go. Why would I do that if he were my teammate and was clearly going to flip bad when I could just as easily say I suspect him? This argument makes no sense. I get why you say it if you take MPs posts and vote alone, but if you consider the whole picture and how it unfolded, it does not hold water.

That part's interesting because FZ also had an unconventional reaction before her buddy got lynched. FZ was saying things like "MP better be a baddie", or things like:

FZ. wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote: It did not strike me as suspicious actually. It struck me as normal MP.
I wonder if this is your way of trying to look better if MP comes out a civvie

For what it's worth I'm voting Daisy

The bolded accusation makes zero sense in retrospect.

#1064

ripiiwg, me

#1065

Turnip Head wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:OK, this is more than a little bit sloppy, I had to mess with the formatting in order to fit it all in one screenshot. It may be hard to read. If you have trouble, use the link the see the actual version. It's much easier to read.

http://imgur.com/ZCm2bO7

Click on the image to get a larger version.
What's also interesting to note about FZ and MP according to the chart is that their scores for each other, though they talked about each other a lot, only ended up being -5 and -2... so between the two of them it was not the truly hard distancing like Dom's score (-26) or k4j's (-23). Also odd to see the -31 for Vompatti. I hadn't picked up on them saying much about Vomps. Considering that neither of them have ANY mentions of other low-activity players, he does stand out. Were they trying to throw him under the bus?

What's also interesting is that they both seemed to talk about SD a fair bit, and said mostly negative things, but other than voting for her they kept it light - again, just going by INH's chart, I haven't yet looked to check what exactly they have said about Daisy.

I felt that way too before and after MP's lynch in particular. I think he was throwing her under the bus to distance himself. She's still on my radar for possibly getting my vote today. I also have to consider some last minute voters on the back and forth votes with FZ and K4J. I think there was some initial saving possibly from the other Goblin team for K4J possibly also. Will examine it when I get free time during work today and decide who I want to cast a vote for after that.

#1066

I will need to vote before the end of the night because I am super busy with work tomorrow then a background check for the new job I just accepted right afterwords, so I know I wouldn't make the poll on time.

#1067

Sorry everyone! I wasn't able to finish fully catching up 2 days ago, and didn't have any time, motivation, or energy to do any more reading yesterday (I had a very long day that started at 4:45AM and didn't finish until about 6PM). I am on page 17 now though, and I am hoping to finish catching up before I leave for the Reds game this afternoon. I should be able to get through it all I think!

#1068

RIPIYWG Kyle!

I hadn't done a careful enough reread of the roles until yesterday, but there are many factions with btsc in this game that it is worth keeping in mind I noticed. I would also like to reread FZ and MP in light of the lynch results and thank you inn for the data analysis. I will need together to computer to really look it over.

I am intrigued by Llamas pursuit of Mongoose, but having been wrongfully pursued by him myself I am a wee skeptical there. What I currently read from Mongoose compared to other games is that she is busier than other games and maybe not as focused (this might just be me projecting. Lol.)

Also, am considering Elo, because I can't remember who pointed out her accusation of Juliet's and Epi having btsc this game. When it fact it was the champions game Juliets meant and Elo was part of this btsc! I need to read Eis case more thoroughly, but honestly that wild accusation made me wonder more than anything else said.

#1069

reywaS wrote:Are you asking me that question or is that for everyone? I have no idea if MP would defend his team mates. I don't think it is impossible. MP is a smart mofo, so I wouldn't be surprised at all if he were to do somethign that no one would ever expect him to do.

Personally, I would expect him to throw at least 1 or 2 teammates under the bus if he is bad. So he's far more likely to attack rather than defend teammates. It would be unexpected in my opinion if he were to start defending or sticking up for teammates.

#1070

Alright. So it turns out I won't be able to finish catching up right now. I should have enough time this afternoon later on to do so though. I'm still determined to make sure I'm up to speed by the end of the day today.

#1071

I want to make sure I'm reading INH's chart right, taking Vompatti at -31 as an example.

When you look at the breakdown all the negative things except for 1 came from FZ. So are we saying that this implies that not only was MP throwing FZ under the bus but FZ in turn was throwing vomps under the bus? Maybe someone brought this up before but have we determined if throwing someone under the bus is a hallmark of FZ's style like it is of MP's style? It just seems odd to me that they would both be throwing someone under the bus - it seems kind of dangerous in fact, given in the cases of Vomps and k4j the score is so much higher than even MP's score for FZ.

TH, with respect to Daisy did you find her post explaining about MP insincere? I think you said it sounded like she was appealing which I would agree with, I just found it sincere. Also, maybe Recruitment III has fried my brain but I can't understand the point you're making in this part of your post :

Turnip Head wrote:That part's interesting because FZ also had an unconventional reaction before her buddy got lynched. FZ was saying things like "MP better be a baddie", or things like:

FZ. wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote: It did not strike me as suspicious actually. It struck me as normal MP.
I wonder if this is your way of trying to look better if MP comes out a civvie

For what it's worth I'm voting Daisy
The bolded accusation makes zero sense in retrospect.

I'm having trouble recognizing why the bolded part makes no sense. Can you give the explanation another whirl? I've had two cups of coffee and still can't figure it out.

I haven't been suspicious of Daisy but I do want to fully consider your thoughts here.

#1072

Daisy's post explaining why she (and MP) were upset about him getting lynches DID sound sincere to me, juliets. But being sincere about losing MP doesn't exclude her from being a baddie

FZ said to Daisy "I wonder if this is your way of trying to look better if MP comes out a civvie". Why would FZ say this to her? It makes no sense, because FZ knows MP will flip baddie in about five minutes; FZ's accusation holds no water. So it looks like she's accusing Daisy of something, but she really hasn't. It looks like teammate distancing to me.

#1073

I'm starting to get the feeling that some of the people that are pushing the thread conversation so far down "MP and FZ and who they did or didn't throw under the bus Avenue" might could be very interested in keeping the game talk on the one baddie team while basically completely ignoring the Goblin Town Goblins and Smaug.

I mean, that's probably what I would be doing if I was a member of the GTGs. "Hey, everyone, let's find those other 2 team mates asap! Let's just ignore the other threats! Ready, break!"

Yeah, that's what I be thinking.

#1074

Sorry I haven't been around more today guys. I am a bit sick and work has been Busytown, USA.

Did anyone do a read of Mongoose like I asked them to? I really want others to comment on her, because I am becoming increasingly convinced I am bad.

I am not sold on Daisy. I think she gave good, logical reasons why she couldn't be on MP's team.

#1075

Turnip Head wrote:Daisy's post explaining why she (and MP) were upset about him getting lynches DID sound sincere to me, juliets. But being sincere about losing MP doesn't exclude her from being a baddie

FZ said to Daisy "I wonder if this is your way of trying to look better if MP comes out a civvie". Why would FZ say this to her? It makes no sense, because FZ knows MP will flip baddie in about five minutes; FZ's accusation holds no water. So it looks like she's accusing Daisy of something, but she really hasn't. It looks like teammate distancing to me.

Thank you TH. Sometimes I have to have things explained as if I were a 5 year old.

Just to play devils advocate a bit, couldn't FZ had said that to Daisy because she (FZ) wanted to make sure people saw that she had no idea what MP would flip? In other words, by making that accusation it makes it clear (FZ thinks) that she is not MP's teammate because otherwise why would she say that? I hope that made sense. I can see how you might be right, I'm just trying to look at it from different angles.

#1076

thellama73 wrote:Sorry I haven't been around more today guys. I am a bit sick and work has been Busytown, USA.

Did anyone do a read of Mongoose like I asked them to? I really want others to comment on her, because I am becoming increasingly convinced I am bad.

I am not sold on Daisy. I think she gave good, logical reasons why she couldn't be on MP's team.

Oh yeah?

Freudian slip?

#1077

reywaS wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Sorry I haven't been around more today guys. I am a bit sick and work has been Busytown, USA.

Did anyone do a read of Mongoose like I asked them to? I really want others to comment on her, because I am becoming increasingly convinced I am bad.

I am not sold on Daisy. I think she gave good, logical reasons why she couldn't be on MP's team.
Oh yeah?

Freudian slip?

Ha, you are funny.

#1078

you're the one that said it. :P

#1079

thellama73 wrote:
reywaS wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Sorry I haven't been around more today guys. I am a bit sick and work has been Busytown, USA.

Did anyone do a read of Mongoose like I asked them to? I really want others to comment on her, because I am becoming increasingly convinced I am bad.

I am not sold on Daisy. I think she gave good, logical reasons why she couldn't be on MP's team.
Oh yeah?

Freudian slip?
Ha, you are funny.

Probably just a typo though.

#1080

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
reywaS wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Sorry I haven't been around more today guys. I am a bit sick and work has been Busytown, USA.

Did anyone do a read of Mongoose like I asked them to? I really want others to comment on her, because I am becoming increasingly convinced I am bad.

I am not sold on Daisy. I think she gave good, logical reasons why she couldn't be on MP's team.
Oh yeah?

Freudian slip?
Ha, you are funny.

Probably just a typo though.

I'll direct you to the same post where I said I was Busytown, USA and also sick. It's amazing I am able to type at all, frankly.

#1081

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#1082

reywaS wrote:I'm starting to get the feeling that some of the people that are pushing the thread conversation so far down "MP and FZ and who they did or didn't throw under the bus Avenue" might could be very interested in keeping the game talk on the one baddie team while basically completely ignoring the Goblin Town Goblins and Smaug.

I mean, that's probably what I would be doing if I was a member of the GTGs. "Hey, everyone, let's find those other 2 team mates asap! Let's just ignore the other threats! Ready, break!"

Yeah, that's what I be thinking.

I odn't disagree with you.

What're you thinking of INH?
ELo?

#1083

Turnip Head wrote:Okay you guys... Daisy's got me eyeing her again after I went back and reread this post, including the conversation she had with FZ in the embedded quote (she's quoting her conversation with FZ as part of her defense). It reads like a lot of appealing

It would also be one-way distancing, as Daisy never mentions FZ (outside of talking to her in the above conversation)... until Daisy votes for her. Dun dun dun.

Spacedaisy wrote:MP was a goner when I posted my support of him, he was ahead by like three votes with eight minutes to go. Why would I do that if he were my teammate and was clearly going to flip bad when I could just as easily say I suspect him? This argument makes no sense. I get why you say it if you take MPs posts and vote alone, but if you consider the whole picture and how it unfolded, it does not hold water.
That part's interesting because FZ also had an unconventional reaction before her buddy got lynched. FZ was saying things like "MP better be a baddie", or things like:

FZ. wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote: It did not strike me as suspicious actually. It struck me as normal MP.
I wonder if this is your way of trying to look better if MP comes out a civvie

For what it's worth I'm voting Daisy
The bolded accusation makes zero sense in retrospect.

I don't understand this case at all, I'm not sure what exactly you are saying.

Boogs wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:OK, this is more than a little bit sloppy, I had to mess with the formatting in order to fit it all in one screenshot. It may be hard to read. If you have trouble, use the link the see the actual version. It's much easier to read.

http://imgur.com/ZCm2bO7

Click on the image to get a larger version.
What's also interesting to note about FZ and MP according to the chart is that their scores for each other, though they talked about each other a lot, only ended up being -5 and -2... so between the two of them it was not the truly hard distancing like Dom's score (-26) or k4j's (-23). Also odd to see the -31 for Vompatti. I hadn't picked up on them saying much about Vomps. Considering that neither of them have ANY mentions of other low-activity players, he does stand out. Were they trying to throw him under the bus?

What's also interesting is that they both seemed to talk about SD a fair bit, and said mostly negative things, but other than voting for her they kept it light - again, just going by INH's chart, I haven't yet looked to check what exactly they have said about Daisy.

I felt that way too before and after MP's lynch in particular. I think he was throwing her under the bus to distance himself. She's still on my radar for possibly getting my vote today. I also have to consider some last minute voters on the back and forth votes with FZ and K4J. I think there was some initial saving possibly from the other Goblin team for K4J possibly also. Will examine it when I get free time during work today and decide who I want to cast a vote for after that.

Wait, you guys are suggesting I am on the team MP and FZ were on? Why on earth would I tie the vote up for FZ, when I could have cast my vote for k4j and given her more of a shot of surviving the lynch? This is all based on the fact they both said negative things about me, which you are saying was distancing. It could just as easily be two people looking for what they perceive to be an easy target. And I guarantee you it is, because I am not on their team, in fact I am not bad at all. I am securely civ. this seems like a major stretch to me, especially from you TH.

#1084

reywaS wrote:I'm starting to get the feeling that some of the people that are pushing the thread conversation so far down "MP and FZ and who they did or didn't throw under the bus Avenue" might could be very interested in keeping the game talk on the one baddie team while basically completely ignoring the Goblin Town Goblins and Smaug.

I mean, that's probably what I would be doing if I was a member of the GTGs. "Hey, everyone, let's find those other 2 team mates asap! Let's just ignore the other threats! Ready, break!"

Yeah, that's what I be thinking.

This ^ So. Much. This. ^

#1085

Spacedaisy wrote:
reywaS wrote:I'm starting to get the feeling that some of the people that are pushing the thread conversation so far down "MP and FZ and who they did or didn't throw under the bus Avenue" might could be very interested in keeping the game talk on the one baddie team while basically completely ignoring the Goblin Town Goblins and Smaug.

I mean, that's probably what I would be doing if I was a member of the GTGs. "Hey, everyone, let's find those other 2 team mates asap! Let's just ignore the other threats! Ready, break!"

Yeah, that's what I be thinking.
This ^ So. Much. This. ^

I've been saying I think Mongoose is Goblin Town Goblins, but no one will respond to my requests to give her a read and comment on my case. Needless to say, this does not make me feel better about her.

#1086

thellama73 wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:
reywaS wrote:I'm starting to get the feeling that some of the people that are pushing the thread conversation so far down "MP and FZ and who they did or didn't throw under the bus Avenue" might could be very interested in keeping the game talk on the one baddie team while basically completely ignoring the Goblin Town Goblins and Smaug.

I mean, that's probably what I would be doing if I was a member of the GTGs. "Hey, everyone, let's find those other 2 team mates asap! Let's just ignore the other threats! Ready, break!"

Yeah, that's what I be thinking.
This ^ So. Much. This. ^
I've been saying I think Mongoose is Goblin Town Goblins, but no one will respond to my requests to give her a read and comment on my case. Needless to say, this does not make me feel better about her.

Indeed you have.

Get well soon.

#1087

I just saw this and had to post it here.

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#1088

Look at the pic llama Sauron the web!

#1089

thellama73 wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:
reywaS wrote:I'm starting to get the feeling that some of the people that are pushing the thread conversation so far down "MP and FZ and who they did or didn't throw under the bus Avenue" might could be very interested in keeping the game talk on the one baddie team while basically completely ignoring the Goblin Town Goblins and Smaug.

I mean, that's probably what I would be doing if I was a member of the GTGs. "Hey, everyone, let's find those other 2 team mates asap! Let's just ignore the other threats! Ready, break!"

Yeah, that's what I be thinking.
This ^ So. Much. This. ^
I've been saying I think Mongoose is Goblin Town Goblins, but no one will respond to my requests to give her a read and comment on my case. Needless to say, this does not make me feel better about her.

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#1090

Alright, I finally caught up. My brain is a bit frazzled from absorbing all that information from this morning and afternoon (I've gone through about 15 pages of this thread in that time), but I'll share what I'm currently thinking right now.

If some of my comments seemed weird, it's because I was catching up. I know several people commented on it before, but I was sharing a few thoughts I had about certain things as I was going along. This game has been going for a week now (last Thursday for me), and I was on vacation from last Thursday through last Sunday. I haven't really had enough time because of IRL commitments to even read this thread until a few days ago, let alone catch up. So that's why there is that there.

As for who I'm currently wanting to look at more, I would say in descending order it is: Mongoose, Elochin, and Daisy/Boogs.

Mongoose: She's been saying a lot without saying a lot. I feel like a lot of what she is saying is fairly noncommittal, while sliding in little suspicions or ideas to try to guide people without making it obvious. That's the basis of my feelings.

Elochin: I don't understand her defense of Epig's claim about having a good gut on Day 1 vs. randomizing being a good idea on Day 1/Day 1 being a mostly random guessing game. I might go back and read their whole back and forth, and Eloh's response. Because I think I would side with Epig in her being suspicious, but I want to make sure I understood both of their opinions first.

Daisy and Boogs are a bit more minor right now. Every time I have felt someone has come up with a decent case on Daisy (read: llama and TH), she came back with a defense that has satisfied me for the time being. But there's something....odd about how I feel about her. I'm hoping I can develop more concrete feelings as we go on and my thoughts start being formed together. Boogs is someone where I wonder how in the world more people aren't talking about him. His Day 1 feelings about MP don't feel genuine to me, and I didn't feel good about his coming out of nowhere on Day 2's results at first, but him saying he was silenced by an elf potion is enough for me to take a step back.

I'm hoping I can get a better feel on these 4 right now, and the rest of the game as we go forward however.

Linki: Is there anyone who can understand anything K4J is saying? Because I don't. I suck at deciphering insanified/coded messages. Where's DH when you need him?

#1091

Also, the other last-minute addendum I want to throw out there. I still think it's possible MP may have thrown an additional teammate under the bus. But given we already got one for sure, I'm not sure if it's prudent to spend a large chunk of today focusing solely on that. Because if we do, it gives Smaug and the other baddie team more room to hide in the corner, away from our lurking eyes.

#1092

Dom wrote:
reywaS wrote:I'm starting to get the feeling that some of the people that are pushing the thread conversation so far down "MP and FZ and who they did or didn't throw under the bus Avenue" might could be very interested in keeping the game talk on the one baddie team while basically completely ignoring the Goblin Town Goblins and Smaug.

I mean, that's probably what I would be doing if I was a member of the GTGs. "Hey, everyone, let's find those other 2 team mates asap! Let's just ignore the other threats! Ready, break!"

Yeah, that's what I be thinking.
I odn't disagree with you.

What're you thinking of INH?
ELo?

I've never been able to figure out INH on any level. I can never apply typical mafia logic to him.

As far as Elohcin, it's impossible to ignore Epig's thoughts on her, but I wouldn't feel comfortable voting for her until I go back and re-read her posts and see if I can come to my own conclusion there.

Spacedaisy wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Okay you guys... Daisy's got me eyeing her again after I went back and reread this post, including the conversation she had with FZ in the embedded quote (she's quoting her conversation with FZ as part of her defense). It reads like a lot of appealing

It would also be one-way distancing, as Daisy never mentions FZ (outside of talking to her in the above conversation)... until Daisy votes for her. Dun dun dun.

Spacedaisy wrote:MP was a goner when I posted my support of him, he was ahead by like three votes with eight minutes to go. Why would I do that if he were my teammate and was clearly going to flip bad when I could just as easily say I suspect him? This argument makes no sense. I get why you say it if you take MPs posts and vote alone, but if you consider the whole picture and how it unfolded, it does not hold water.
That part's interesting because FZ also had an unconventional reaction before her buddy got lynched. FZ was saying things like "MP better be a baddie", or things like:

FZ. wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote: It did not strike me as suspicious actually. It struck me as normal MP.
I wonder if this is your way of trying to look better if MP comes out a civvie

For what it's worth I'm voting Daisy
The bolded accusation makes zero sense in retrospect.
I don't understand this case at all, I'm not sure what exactly you are saying.

Boogs wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:OK, this is more than a little bit sloppy, I had to mess with the formatting in order to fit it all in one screenshot. It may be hard to read. If you have trouble, use the link the see the actual version. It's much easier to read.

http://imgur.com/ZCm2bO7

Click on the image to get a larger version.
What's also interesting to note about FZ and MP according to the chart is that their scores for each other, though they talked about each other a lot, only ended up being -5 and -2... so between the two of them it was not the truly hard distancing like Dom's score (-26) or k4j's (-23). Also odd to see the -31 for Vompatti. I hadn't picked up on them saying much about Vomps. Considering that neither of them have ANY mentions of other low-activity players, he does stand out. Were they trying to throw him under the bus?

What's also interesting is that they both seemed to talk about SD a fair bit, and said mostly negative things, but other than voting for her they kept it light - again, just going by INH's chart, I haven't yet looked to check what exactly they have said about Daisy.

I felt that way too before and after MP's lynch in particular. I think he was throwing her under the bus to distance himself. She's still on my radar for possibly getting my vote today. I also have to consider some last minute voters on the back and forth votes with FZ and K4J. I think there was some initial saving possibly from the other Goblin team for K4J possibly also. Will examine it when I get free time during work today and decide who I want to cast a vote for after that.
Wait, you guys are suggesting I am on the team MP and FZ were on? Why on earth would I tie the vote up for FZ, when I could have cast my vote for k4j and given her more of a shot of surviving the lynch? This is all based on the fact they both said negative things about me, which you are saying was distancing. It could just as easily be two people looking for what they perceive to be an easy target. And I guarantee you it is, because I am not on their team, in fact I am not bad at all. I am securely civ. this seems like a major stretch to me, especially from you TH.

I agree with you here. People trying to tie you to FZ and MP feels forced and seems like a total stretch to me. The suspicion on you is part of why I made the post that said some people were keeping the conversation entirely on sussing out FZ and MP's other team mates and ignoring the other threats.

#1093

kneel4justice wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:
reywaS wrote:I'm starting to get the feeling that some of the people that are pushing the thread conversation so far down "MP and FZ and who they did or didn't throw under the bus Avenue" might could be very interested in keeping the game talk on the one baddie team while basically completely ignoring the Goblin Town Goblins and Smaug.

I mean, that's probably what I would be doing if I was a member of the GTGs. "Hey, everyone, let's find those other 2 team mates asap! Let's just ignore the other threats! Ready, break!"

Yeah, that's what I be thinking.
This ^ So. Much. This. ^
I've been saying I think Mongoose is Goblin Town Goblins, but no one will respond to my requests to give her a read and comment on my case. Needless to say, this does not make me feel better about her.
Moh.
Elose? Mose. Mooh. Mooongose? Mongoh.
Same?
Same.
Elongose.
Same?
Elongoh.
Same?
Eloose.
Eloh.
Same? Mose? Mongoh.
Elose.
Eloose.
Eloh.
Elose?
Same?
Elose. Moh. Mongongoh.
Same? Moh.
Same?
Same.
Elose?
Elose.
Elongongongongose? Moh. Moose?
Same?
Same?
Elose.
Elongoooh.
Elongoongose? Mose. Moh.
Same.
Elose? Mose?
Eloh. Mongoh.
Elongose.
Same. Mose.
Same? Moh.
Elose? Mooh. Mongongose. Mose.
Elongoh.
Same? Moose? Mose? Moh.
Same. Moh.
Elongongongooh.
Elose. Mongose. Mongose.

I'm guessing you are trying to tell us you think Mongoose and Elohcin are on the same team?

#1094

Boogs wrote: I'm guessing you are trying to tell us you think Mongoose and Elohcin are on the same team?

kneel4justice wrote:
Mongoose wrote:
kneel4justice wrote:
Mongoose wrote:
Ugh, I know. But it might be worth it. I'll see how bored I get at work tomorrow. I'm really curious.

That said, if anyone wants to step it up or do splitsies with me, don't be shy.
Are you suggesting that the remaining 2 members both went un-cited, or that someone else instead of Elo went un-cited and she is not their teammate?
I'm not really saying anything yet; I gotta see the stats. However, if there were only 2 names neither cited, I'd really wanna know about it. MP was only here for Day 1 period though, so I bet the list would not just be 2 people.

And again, I'm leery of the causation = correlation argument, so even though Eloh is on that list -- that alone isn't enough to ensure my vote for her without some intense, corroborating evidence.
I ask because I was getting the impression that you wanted a universal list so that it would open up the possibilities in everyone's mind to more than just Eloh.
That combined with FZ's unwillingness to vote you and choosing to vote me make me nervous. I'm not quite sure what to think about you but I do think you could be a potential teammate if I am reading correctly.

Russtifinko wrote: Goblin Town Goblins
Win Conditions: Outnumber or kill the Dwarves and their allies, kill the rival Moria Goblins, and defeat Smaug.
Have BTSC.

Gobe? Not Noblin Toblins.
Nobe? Noblins.

maybe? Toblin Toblin Noblins.

mayblin Got Tobe? Gown Not MP.

#1095

Hmmm you think they are on the other team? Something to consider. Thanks for trying to tell us your suspicions for today. Epignosis seems to feel strongly that Elohcin is bad... But idk. If he knows his wife as well as he says, it's worth a try I suppose. I still feel something is going on with SD if not MP's teammate, then possibly on the other Goblin team. She just pings me and I can't play my finger quite on it.

#1096

thellama73 wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:
reywaS wrote:I'm starting to get the feeling that some of the people that are pushing the thread conversation so far down "MP and FZ and who they did or didn't throw under the bus Avenue" might could be very interested in keeping the game talk on the one baddie team while basically completely ignoring the Goblin Town Goblins and Smaug.

I mean, that's probably what I would be doing if I was a member of the GTGs. "Hey, everyone, let's find those other 2 team mates asap! Let's just ignore the other threats! Ready, break!"

Yeah, that's what I be thinking.
This ^ So. Much. This. ^
I've been saying I think Mongoose is Goblin Town Goblins, but no one will respond to my requests to give her a read and comment on my case. Needless to say, this does not make me feel better about her.

I'm gonnna try and reread Mongoose and Elo tonight

#1097

Boogs wrote:Hmmm you think they are on the other team? Something to consider. Thanks for trying to tell us your suspicions for today. Epignosis seems to feel strongly that Elohcin is bad... But idk. If he knows his wife as well as he says, it's worth a try I suppose. I still feel something is going on with SD if not MP's teammate, then possibly on the other Goblin team. She just pings me and I can't play my finger quite on it.

Well, I really wish that you could play your finger on it just a little bit. You thinking that Daisy could possibly be on the other baddie team is something I would like to hear more about from you. I don't buy into the SD + MP = evil soul mates idea, but at least there is something there to base that idea on. I'm not seeing anything standing out that would point to Daisy being on the other baddie team.

Give me more, Boogs! DO IT.....DO IT.

#1098

#1099

Checking in quickly. I still haven't read a thing since the lynch post. I have a few errands to run and loose ends to tie up before I go out of town for the weekend, then I'll read!

#1100

Dom wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:
reywaS wrote:I'm starting to get the feeling that some of the people that are pushing the thread conversation so far down "MP and FZ and who they did or didn't throw under the bus Avenue" might could be very interested in keeping the game talk on the one baddie team while basically completely ignoring the Goblin Town Goblins and Smaug.

I mean, that's probably what I would be doing if I was a member of the GTGs. "Hey, everyone, let's find those other 2 team mates asap! Let's just ignore the other threats! Ready, break!"

Yeah, that's what I be thinking.
This ^ So. Much. This. ^
I've been saying I think Mongoose is Goblin Town Goblins, but no one will respond to my requests to give her a read and comment on my case. Needless to say, this does not make me feel better about her.
I'm gonnna try and reread Mongoose and Elo tonight

Same! Sorry I meant to say early that I hadn't noticed anything of them during my original read but will give them a look.
Since it was Dom who commented on this that reminds me... why happened to your suspicion of Dom? Change your mind or just concentrating on bigger suspects

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