Making Friends and Enemies - Game OVER

[tutuu]

[tutuu]

i failed to even post a proper image link thats how much of a failure i am

[Funnygurl555]

it's ok we were all wrong

[tutuu]

good luck hopefully i die tonight i wont leave legacy its probably all wrong. i dont dare to say "try to flip marmot tomorrow" cuz god knows whats his alignment

[tutuu]

i think ts account is town thats my only read (and who knows how accurate it is)

[DrWilgy]

Turns out there are hammers.

I don't regret my decision.

[tutuu]

try to flip marmot tomorrow

[tutuu]

if u want

[DrWilgy]

Do not be discouraged spinning anime girl. I still think your heart is in the right place.

[Marmot]

I'm really unaccustomed to this hammer style, but yeah y'all go on playing without me I guess

[chardonnay]

I apologize for not mentioning that reaching a majority results in a flip in the outlines of the OP. I assumed that it was customary for that to happen here, much like other mafia communities.

Also, if a majority isnt reached by EoD then the largest wagon on the poll is flipped instead. Therefore reaching a majority isnt a requirement.

[DrWilgy]

No worries fam. I tested it.

[ts account]

they probably wouldn't have died if they hadn't imploded like they did tbh, it felt like they just stopped playing there and wasn't sure what to think

I still think marmot is the correct call but TL has been slipping down for me

also tutu your first cat worked

[tutuu]

final post (probably)

from towniest to scummiest (for me)

ts account
funny gurl
martin
wilgy
long con
trustworthy liberal
marmot

[falcon45ca]

Go get em' town

[Marmot]

final post (probably)

from towniest to scummiest (for me)

ts account
funny gurl
martin
wilgy
long con
trustworthy liberal
marmot

I should be higher on your list imo.

[Marmot]

they probably wouldn't have died if they hadn't imploded like they did tbh, it felt like they just stopped playing there and wasn't sure what to think

I still think marmot is the correct call but TL has been slipping down for me

also tutu your first cat worked

How exactly did falcon implode and stop playing?

When I think of someone imploding, I look at your reactions to an almost yeet on Day 1.

Also, I'm astounded that you're blaming falcon for being yeeted today (in under 24 hours even). How is this their fault?

[Long Con]

Long Con read Marmot's post, and found himself nodding in agreement. He hadn't seen any implosion, he had seen falcon defending himself in a readably towny way.

[MartinGG99]

How exactly did falcon implode and stop playing?

When I think of someone imploding, I look at your reactions to an almost yeet on Day 1.

I have to admit I laughed harder than I should've on this.

[MartinGG99]

Anyways

I'm generally feeling like Marmot's is just town.

You can nitpick at him for a few small things but if anything this game has displayed not every town player is perfect or will play perfectly, and I'm judging out of everyone here he's more town than not.

Especially since now we've proven that "Bad Interactions" =/= "Must be scum"

Also my motivations for not judging on solely bad interactions is completely and totally not related and absolutely coincidental that I got yeeted for having bad interactions with 2 mafia members in my last game here on The Syndicate and I didn't just want to stick my tongue out at people who believe interactions with scum must be dictated by alignment

[DrWilgy]

I'm not entirely sure I agree with there being "no implosion." Some of the "No U" felt off base.

@tutuu talk to me about TS/FG.

[ts account]

I'm not sure what else to call their behavior

they had no sense of self preservation there and you can't even argue that rofl
I wanted to lynch marmot, and we were going to lynch marmot until falcon just gave up and voted me

[ts account]

nobody is town

wilgy's hammer looks bad if only for the reason that they keep justifying it as "testing to see if there's insta in place"

we hammered nutella so...

I'm also not certain marmot is mafia any more but if they are martin is their partner which is really bizarre to me

so I almost want to go to one of long con/wilgy tomorrow and just blindly go at it

[Funnygurl555]

nobody is town

wilgy's hammer looks bad if only for the reason that they keep justifying it as "testing to see if there's insta in place"

we hammered nutella so...

I'm also not certain marmot is mafia any more but if they are martin is their partner which is really bizarre to me

so I almost want to go to one of long con/wilgy tomorrow and just blindly go at it

agreed

[ts account]

nobody is town

wilgy's hammer looks bad if only for the reason that they keep justifying it as "testing to see if there's insta in place"

we hammered nutella so...

I'm also not certain marmot is mafia any more but if they are martin is their partner which is really bizarre to me

so I almost want to go to one of long con/wilgy tomorrow and just blindly go at it

agreed

which part

[tutuu]

town estimated chances to win 10%

[tutuu]

I'm not entirely sure I agree with there being "no implosion." Some of the "No U" felt off base.

@tutuu talk to me about TS/FG.

Im too afraid to

[tutuu]

Unintentional emoji but it fits

[tutuu]

I wish i was dead and alison or mac were alive

[tutuu]

Town estimated chances to win 1% actually

[DrWilgy]

wilgy's hammer looks bad if only for the reason that they keep justifying it as "testing to see if there's insta in place

Ah yes, this is the only reason as to why I tested on Falcon

[DrWilgy]

I'm not entirely sure I agree with there being "no implosion." Some of the "No U" felt off base.

@tutuu talk to me about TS/FG.

Im too afraid to

I would really like your input here tbh.

I was 50/50 on Falcon or one of the two in TS/FG. I just don't get your current TS read, but the line "If I'm wrong here" makes me want to reassess.

[tutuu]

I townread him cuz i thought hes too toxic to be mafia

[tutuu]

Not a lot of scum players would call members of the town names when they are being correctly scumread

[tutuu]

I think its 2/3 in Marmot TL LC

[MartinGG99]

I think its 2/3 in Marmot TL LC

if you're right then its TL/LC imo

tbh I would want to prioritize TL rn

they admitted putting this game on the "backburner" or something and haven't improved since (y'know, unlike me)

[MartinGG99]

like they were here for a good-enough D1 impression and then lurk anytime else

[MartinGG99]

Its been 28-ish hours since they made this post (below)

Sorry pushed this to the back bunred a bit much.
As i said multiple times i think Falcon has to be wolf here Mac had the same read as well.

Funny is unlikely.
TS is still possible but also unlikely.

Also yeah hammer exsisits whats the number to hamer?

and only made 2 post since then and both of those were yesterday (at least for my time zone):

Day 3 will end 11/19/20 9:45pm EST time.

Math seems off is my vote actaully needed right here for a tien wagons doesn't look like above and i don't wanna accidently have a hammer happen.

Oh i ment to also quote the post i was pinged in

[MartinGG99]

I **could** see someone being busy IRL

but I kinda feel like I've been too generous with not paying attention to them since D1

[Trustworthy Liberal]

Its been 28-ish hours since they made this post (below)

Sorry pushed this to the back bunred a bit much.
As i said multiple times i think Falcon has to be wolf here Mac had the same read as well.

Funny is unlikely.
TS is still possible but also unlikely.

Also yeah hammer exsisits whats the number to hamer?

and only made 2 post since then and both of those were yesterday (at least for my time zone):

Day 3 will end 11/19/20 9:45pm EST time.

Math seems off is my vote actaully needed right here for a tien wagons doesn't look like above and i don't wanna accidently have a hammer happen.

Oh i ment to also quote the post i was pinged in

Yeah really low wim and i don't know why hoenstly.
Farmot flipping town didn't help cause i think TS is town now meaning my entire D1 PoE flipped town.

[Long Con]

"Farmot?" he thought. "Was that some unholy amalgamation of falcon and Marmot?" What a creature that would be. Trustworthy Liberal's statement was slightly sketchy, was he spewing Marmot town? And how did "I think TS is town" equate to "my entire D1 PoE flipped town"? It reeked of false and contrived despair.

The game seemed to be at a nadir, the careless hammering of someone who should not have been first in line at all had thrown the players into distress, most of all tutuu. Her manic swing from unassailable confidence to abject hopelessness was disturbing, and demonstrated that having a widely-accepted town read did not equate to reliable leadership. What did it matter, anyway? Surely she would be dead by sunrise.

So who was bad? Long Con still had the bad feeling that one or the other of funngurl and ts account were scum. Marmot... seemed pretty okay. Sometimes. A recollection of a scumlean kept Long Con from accepting a full townlean on Marmot. His entrance to the game still felt off.

Wilgy. Long Con would easily vote Wilgy, whose antics had already led to a Civilian death, with Wilgy holding up his hands in lukewarm mock dismay, hidden behind an unsympathetic shrug. Was there any redeeming quality about Wilgy's play in this game that would lead one to believe he was town? Long Con couldn't recall one.

Martin seemed cool.

[MartinGG99]

Farmot flipping town didn't help cause i think TS is town now meaning my entire D1 PoE flipped town.

Yes well one can't always solve the game while sitting in the shadows

If you read everyone as town then you gotta raise the bar on what makes a person pass as town

or you can interact with people to try and become more certain in your opinion of their alignment

[MartinGG99]

Wilgy. Long Con would easily vote Wilgy, whose antics had already led to a Civilian death, with Wilgy holding up his hands in lukewarm mock dismay, hidden behind an unsympathetic shrug. Was there any redeeming quality about Wilgy's play in this game that would lead one to believe he was town? Long Con couldn't recall one.

I'm not sure how I feel about Wilgy. Granted, I've never played with him before, but I think a !scum wilgy making a "hammer test" would be an odd choice to make.

That and for some reason apparently both Mac and Alison read him as town.

[MartinGG99]

but I think a !scum wilgy making a "hammer test" would be an odd choice to make.

I mean, even if Falcon's execution was unavoidable at that point

personally I would've waited more towards an EoD to place down a vote with some sort of reasoning if I were scum

[MartinGG99]

personally I would've waited more towards an EoD to place down a vote with some sort of reasoning if I were scum

Especially since how tame the town has been lately in terms of posting

there wouldn't be as much discussion happening as compared to other games; meaning less of a justification/reason for the scum to just go hammer if they want to cut down on how much time the town has left

[MartinGG99]

I'm gonna read the following:

LC town
TS town
FG scum

In addition, someone brought up this topic before, where they suggested that these posts were strange because they didn't use the word "Mason".

MIKEY IS NOT A WOLF

PLEASE MOVE YOUR VOTES MIKEY IS NOT A WOLF

I wonder, why did they use the word "Wolf" here rather than something like "Mikey is Town"?

I also searched their ISO for "Wolf" and the only other time when they used that word was here:

funnygurl had appeared! Long Con instantly wondered who her mason claim might be.

i hate it i hate it i hate it i hate it

I was looking for TL's read list and saw this again
please
how is this towny

what makes it scummy?

long con is trying to get FG to confirm herself as not my mason partner

yeah i think lc's a hit

also the entire case is mikey doesn't bus partners so if you find a wolf and find him pushing on that wolf then he's cleared

some people don't like that kinda thing sure but it's the best way to read him and even he's admitted it

now the other way you could read mikey here is he got p damn frustrated at all y'all for reading him wrong. y'all fake emotion tells......... but mikey doesn't make that kinda one

By the way....if FG is wolf here and TS is town, doesn't this look like a set-up? I mean, if you're mafia and you believe someone won't find wolves or mafia in the near future, then you could totally set this up to shade someone much later in the game.

Additionally, they only used the word "Scum" 5 times.

They haven't used the word "Mafia" at all this game.

Something is wrong here, and I am considering if they slipped that they were mafia/wolf earlier.

They haven't been scum-hunting much, that's for sure.

[MartinGG99]

Hmmmm.....

Provided I didn't raise my bar on towniness any further for some people

I wonder how likely a TL + FG mafia world is, because that's where my current reads lead me to.

Reads Disregarding any claims

Town Lean
Alison-Has opened and been strong through out almost confident to push this to just town but still holding back since its D1.
Marmot-Their reaction to the presure towards them has been decent better then mine atleast hehe but i feel they are calmer then they would be as a wolf in this situation.
tutuu-Start of day was towny over all and seems to be giving pressure to most slots that where around at that time.
Long Con-Gimic has been well and feel they are being open in their pushs which is inhertly town leaning. Don't like that it seems every other post has me in it however which is to note going after my flip.

Null
MartinGG99-Seems open but not seen enough to move to town lean top of my null reads but here they are.
nutella-nothing confident here agred on their Marmot idea but other then that nothing confident either way.
Funnygurl555- Nothing Noteworthy
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME-Masonclaims but nanook D1 town read is unlikely from me usally wouldn't yeet today but still unsure on alignment.
DrWilgy-Don't remember this slot?
Enrique-Same as DrWilgy i don't remember them this game.

Scum Lean
ts account-Don't like their comment of i claimed and now i get to coast never true and i feel is less likely to come from a town in any world.
falcon45ca-Think they are trying to push soloying a me world over the other bottom PoE which in place makes me feel that they are a wolf trying to protect another wolf in said general PoE

These are my current thoughts on every slot for gun to my head reads

She delays making a read on these people. One of them is Nutella; if TL were scum here then she's trying to leave her opinions on her teammates according to the general consensus. Have other people make arguments for her.

If you also notice, FG is (to a degree) labelled the same way. "Nothing noteworthy" is in some ways is akin to "I haven't heard of a good argument for or against them".

And I couldn't find anything about FG's read on Trustworthy in FG's ISO other than this, which was early in the game and FG seemingly hasn't re-visited this read in public despite saying "Idk yet":

FG what's your take on nutella/TL

Also nanook with that undeclared nutella vote lol

i dunno yet. sry

[MartinGG99]

I'll probably look more into how would nutella fit into the above hypothetical world tomorrow when I get the time

[MartinGG99]

Current reads

Towny
Tutuu
Long Con
TS Account
DrWilgy
Marmot
TL
FG
Scummy

[DrWilgy]

My Martin gut has shifted. They are probably town.

Time to resolve TS/FG.