The Hobbit Mafia: Day 12

[insertnamehere]

BIH Elo!

[Russtifinko]

Who could have killed Kylemii?

Poll ended at Fri Jun 06, 2014 11:03 pm

A Person
0

No votes
birdwithteeth11
0
No votes

Boogs
6
Spacedaisy (6), Vompatti (7), Lizzy (12), Captain Bunny Killer (17), Snow Dog (19), A Person (23) 26%

Bullzeye
0
No votes

Captain Bunny Killer
0
No votes

DFaraday
0
No votes

DisgruntledPorcupine
0
No votes

Dom
0
No votes

Elohcin
10
Epignosis (3), Boogs (4), Dom (5), Mongoose (10), juliets (11), kneel4justice (13), Hedgeowl (15), Metalmarsh89 (16), DFaraday (18), Turnip Head (22) 43%

Epignosis
0
No votes

fingersplints
0
No votes

FZ.
0
No votes

Hedgeowl
0
No votes

insertnamehere
0
No votes

juliets
0
No votes

kneel4justice
0
No votes

Leamiteo
0
No votes

Lizzy
0
No votes

Metalmarsh89
0
No votes

Mongoose
2
thellama73 (9), nijuukyugou (21) 9%

nijuukyugou
0
No votes

reywaS
0
No votes

Snow Dog
0
No votes

Spacedaisy
0
No votes

>SpaghettiEverywhere
0
No votes

thellama73
0
No votes

Turnip Head
1
Leamiteo (20) 4%

Vompatti
1
>SpaghettiEverywhere (14) 4%

He was eaten by a fish. (Host/Mod/Dead)
3
MovingPictures07 (1), Kylemii (2), Russtifinko (8) 13%
Total votes : 23

[Epignosis]

[Marmot]

So who else thinks Epi threw his partner under the bus.

[Boogs]

Woohoooooo!!!!! Wow, I expected her to be on the other Goblin team and not MP's!

[thellama73]

I didn't bring drink, and I fear offending the elves more than I fear their wine. I drink.

[thellama73]

I think this is the only time I have ever seen three baddie lynches in the first three days. Best game ever!

[thellama73]

Did anyone else notice A Person's last minute vote-without-posting for Boogs? Ordinarily I would say it is too obvious, but it could be a desperation move of the last of the Moria Goblins.

[A Person]

Did anyone else notice A Person's last minute vote-without-posting for Boogs? Ordinarily I would say it is too obvious, but it could be a desperation move of the last of the Moria Goblins.

I'm somewhat hurt that you think I'm that dumb.

[Vompatti]

Would you believe me if I told you I was almost about to post that Eloh is almost certainly good and that it would be a huge mistake to lynch her and now that she turned out bad I'm glad I didn't post that because it would have made me look bad, q.m.

[Boogs]

I didn't bring drink, but I'm scared the drink will be poisoned or some sort of magical trickery lol. Since I have to decide between food and drink, I choose food

[thellama73]

I didn't bring drink, but I'm scared the drink will be poisoned or some sort of magical trickery lol. Since I have to decide between food and drink, I choose food

I think you misunderstood the poll.

[Boogs]

Did anyone else notice A Person's last minute vote-without-posting for Boogs? Ordinarily I would say it is too obvious, but it could be a desperation move of the last of the Moria Goblins.

I saw that too when I checked the last 5 minutes of the poll. There were some people who didn't vote or check in that may be worthy of another reread Day 4 also. I think for as of right now, I'm getting a feel Mongoose is on the other goblin team with SD. As of who the last of MP's teammate is right now, the mystery thickens!

[juliets]

Yippee! Civ team for the win! I have never in all my years of mafia seen a game start three in a row baddies. I don't know that I've ever seen three in a row baddies period! Elo, RIP to you but BIH to Bolg's Warg.

[Boogs]

I didn't bring drink, but I'm scared the drink will be poisoned or some sort of magical trickery lol. Since I have to decide between food and drink, I choose food

I think you misunderstood the poll.

? I thought he said, those of you who voted forgot food or drink in the Day 1 poll must now decide to choose to eat or drink with the elf. The others must vote No. ?

[Turnip Head]

!!

Bye Elo! See you in the next game!

I'll have that drink now.

[Turnip Head]

Also, everyone knows that Elf food sucks.

[thellama73]

I didn't bring drink, but I'm scared the drink will be poisoned or some sort of magical trickery lol. Since I have to decide between food and drink, I choose food

I think you misunderstood the poll.

? I thought he said, those of you who voted forgot food or drink in the Day 1 poll must now decide to choose to eat or drink with the elf. The others must vote No. ?

My interpretation of was, if you forgot food you had to choose whether to eat, if you forgot drink you had to choose whether to drink. It was just worded poorly.

Clarify, Host!

[Captain Bunny Killer]

Wow. Good job to the Elo-voters!

Hey, I'm actually with Boogs on this one. It looks like we have a choice, which I don't quite understand. If we have to take the one we didn't pack, we wouldn't have to decide whether or not to accept (per the host). But if we do decide, does it mean decide between food or drink?

[Turnip Head]

I think the options are "receive a gift from the Elves according to the item you forgot", or "No, refuse their hospitality". Players who brought both are forced to refuse.

[Snow Dog]

Well done Epi.

[Snow Dog]

I did not forget food and drink so I refused hospitality.

[Elohcin]

Bye Y'all! I got really busy with cakes and stopped caring too much. And, I am more than double booked (FIVE detailed cakes) next week. Trying to work extra to make up for Epi's Summer vacation Praying I don't lose my mind doing it Have fun! See y'all in Are You Being Served!

[Marmot]

Did anyone else notice A Person's last minute vote-without-posting for Boogs? Ordinarily I would say it is too obvious, but it could be a desperation move of the last of the Moria Goblins.

I noticed as well. I don't think AP would try to rescue a partner in such a situation, but the lack of a post does ping me.

[kneel4justice]

Good job, Epi.
I am suspicious of Mongoose being Elohs partner. I'll be back later to explain why, I'm not 100% convinced because it almost seems too easy.

[Marmot]

I didn't forget anything (aside to vote in the Night 1 poll). Can I still have elven wine?

AP, why did you vote Boogs?

Linki: Elo seemed too easy too, but it worked out.

[birdwithteeth11]

Woohoo! Good job, Rob! I would have probably voted for either Eloh or Mongoose, but this is a fantastic result! I can't think of a time I've ever seen us get 3 baddies by the end of Day 3. That's awesome!

@Host: So since I didn't vote in the Night 1 poll, should I treat that as having forgotton to pack both food and drink, or do I have to refuse the elf's hospitality because I was on vacation and a loser and not awesome and didn't vote at all?

[fingersplints]

Awesome work all! I was going to vote Elo but lost track of time. I haven't gotten a chance to review mongoose's posts so am hoping to do that as well as look at the boogs case.

I also don't know what I'm supposed to vote since I wasn't in the game yet :/ I don't drink but I do like me some food

[kneel4justice]

@ Epi:

(Man I'm really into playing Devil's Advocate today, but please bear with me because of my conflicted feelings about Eloh)

You mentioned above that you stated "She hasn't contributed a single original thought."

However, If Eloh was indeed on a team (and thus she voted earlier to save/attempt to save a teammate) then wouldn't her teammates be feeding her some original things she could say, if she hasn't found her feet yet in such a large game?

Please let me know if this was not as coherent as I intended. I'm a bit in a rush to make it to yoga on time.

(Eloh, I hope it doesn't make you feel awkward me talking about you when you're in the room, sug).

One player MP or FZ never mentioned:

Elo.

Okay, I see where you are going with this but I am a little leery of the causation-correlation thing. BUT if we can do a universal comparison to see which players NEITHER of them cited? I think that would be a good list to have, my friend. We might get some gold out of that. Further, if practically the only player neither of them mentioned was Elo, then I think you might be onto something.

Are you suggesting that the remaining 2 members both went un-cited, or that someone else instead of Elo went un-cited and she is not their teammate?

I'm not really saying anything yet; I gotta see the stats. However, if there were only 2 names neither cited, I'd really wanna know about it. MP was only here for Day 1 period though, so I bet the list would not just be 2 people.

And again, I'm leery of the causation = correlation argument, so even though Eloh is on that list -- that alone isn't enough to ensure my vote for her without some intense, corroborating evidence.

linki Kitty

Dude if she was that conspicuous and I was her teammate? I'd be super pissed.

And your impression is dead on. I do want to open the field more to just Eloh to a) ensure more thorough baddie hunting and b) to make sure a potentially-innocent Eloh doesn't get wrapped up in a flawed Causation = Correlation Gambit.I think she very easily could have voted me, and if she had known I was going to vote her, maybe she would have (I don't mean for petty retaliatory reasons, obv). But you know her a lot better, so you are the better judge of that.

In case there's a Lie Detector in this game (or an item) - I'm not on either baddie team. I also have pretty hair.

I got the impression that Mongoose did not want to suspect Eloh.
When there was potential evidence she (MP and FZ never mentioning her) she wanted to bring attention to others so that would not be considered so concrete.
I think the way she does it (admitting to it in the last quote) was really trying to sound like a civvie. It doesn't read genuine to me.

Okay, since I'm going now on my vacation, I have to vote. I would really like to lynch Reywas, but no one seems to want to follow, so I'm left with either K4J or Mongoose who might get others' vote . I feel the stronger case if for K4J, and as much as I want him here playing, I can't let that go. Kitty, if you're a civ, I'm really sorry, but I have to make a decision now.

See you all on Saturday

FZ was putting a lot of relying into the idea that I was MP's partner.
She knew I wasn't. Therefore she was not being genuine here and thinking that I was on the other scum team.
I think she chose me over Mongoose for a reason (teammates).

The problem is Mongooses' vote for FZ.
But it is possible Mongoose placed it there not thinking that FZ would end up with so many votes (Heck, I didn't think she would!)

[kneel4justice]

Is this the good thread evidence you recognized before this?
Because before that you thought the a vote on Elo was suspicious.

I don't remember this, when did I find an Elo vote suspicious, whose was it?

[kneel4justice]

Is this the good thread evidence you recognized before this?
Because before that you thought the a vote on Elo was suspicious.

I don't remember this, when did I find an Elo vote suspicious, whose was it?

Oh. Never mind, I remember!
When it was between FZ and I, I thought that the people who were voting for Elo could potentially be doing so to not have to choose between FZ and I.

[Boogs]

Bye Y'all! I got really busy with cakes and stopped caring too much. And, I am more than double booked (FIVE detailed cakes) next week. Trying to work extra to make up for Epi's Summer vacation Praying I don't lose my mind doing it Have fun! See y'all in Are You Being Served!

Yay for cakes My Sailor Moon game has 3 spots left if you wanted to squeeze it in It was great playing with you again . I look forward to Epignosis' game with you

[Russtifinko]

Ok, first off: an apology is in order, because the poll/post is worded poorly. It seemed clear to me, but that's only because I made it up. It definitely is not clear.

My interpretation of was, if you forgot food you had to choose whether to eat, if you forgot drink you had to choose whether to drink. It was just worded poorly.

Clarify, Host!

I think the options are "receive a gift from the Elves according to the item you forgot", or "No, refuse their hospitality". Players who brought both are forced to refuse.

These interpretations are correct. If, and ONLY if, you voted that you forgot food or drink in the Night 1 poll, you may choose to receive what you forgot from the mysterious elf tonight. You may also choose to refuse.

If you did NOT forget food or drink (for example, if you voted that you forgot a rope or diary, if you were not playing on Night 1, or if you forgot to vote in that poll), then it's probably simplest if you refuse the elf's hospitality. However...

I didn't forget anything (aside to vote in the Night 1 poll). Can I still have elven wine?

If you didn't forget drink but still REALLY want elven wine, you are welcome to it, I suppose. The mysterious elf did offer it, so he can't really do take-backsies without being a bad host.

@Host: So since I didn't vote in the Night 1 poll, should I treat that as having forgotton to pack both food and drink, or do I have to refuse the elf's hospitality because I was on vacation and a loser and not awesome and didn't vote at all?

See above: not voting = you didn't forget anything.


If anyone has already voted an option that is not appropriate to their situation, you may PM me and I will announce your vote change in-thread. The poll can be changed when I put it in the Polls thread to reflect any changes as well. If you nee further clarification, please ask in thread or PM me and I'll be happy to answer for individual situations.

Once again, sorry for the confusion. I will try to make future Night polls more clear.

[Epignosis]

Okay, since I'm going now on my vacation, I have to vote. I would really like to lynch Reywas, but no one seems to want to follow, so I'm left with either K4J or Mongoose who might get others' vote . I feel the stronger case if for K4J, and as much as I want him here playing, I can't let that go. Kitty, if you're a civ, I'm really sorry, but I have to make a decision now.

See you all on Saturday

FZ was putting a lot of relying into the idea that I was MP's partner.
She knew I wasn't. Therefore she was not being genuine here and thinking that I was on the other scum team.
I think she chose me over Mongoose for a reason (teammates).

The problem is Mongooses' vote for FZ.
But it is possible Mongoose placed it there not thinking that FZ would end up with so many votes (Heck, I didn't think she would!)

I don't think you enlarged enough of that post.

[kneel4justice]

Okay, since I'm going now on my vacation, I have to vote. I would really like to lynch Reywas, but no one seems to want to follow, so I'm left with either K4J or Mongoose who might get others' vote . I feel the stronger case if for K4J, and as much as I want him here playing, I can't let that go. Kitty, if you're a civ, I'm really sorry, but I have to make a decision now.

See you all on Saturday

FZ was putting a lot of relying into the idea that I was MP's partner.
She knew I wasn't. Therefore she was not being genuine here and thinking that I was on the other scum team.
I think she chose me over Mongoose for a reason (teammates).

The problem is Mongooses' vote for FZ.
But it is possible Mongoose placed it there not thinking that FZ would end up with so many votes (Heck, I didn't think she would!)

I don't think you enlarged enough of that post.

Are you saying you think Rey is her teammate?

[Epignosis]

Okay, since I'm going now on my vacation, I have to vote. I would really like to lynch Reywas, but no one seems to want to follow, so I'm left with either K4J or Mongoose who might get others' vote . I feel the stronger case if for K4J, and as much as I want him here playing, I can't let that go. Kitty, if you're a civ, I'm really sorry, but I have to make a decision now.

See you all on Saturday

FZ was putting a lot of relying into the idea that I was MP's partner.
She knew I wasn't. Therefore she was not being genuine here and thinking that I was on the other scum team.
I think she chose me over Mongoose for a reason (teammates).

The problem is Mongooses' vote for FZ.
But it is possible Mongoose placed it there not thinking that FZ would end up with so many votes (Heck, I didn't think she would!)

I don't think you enlarged enough of that post.

Are you saying you think Rey is her teammate?

Yeah, that's what I think. Him or two other candidates.

[kneel4justice]

Okay, since I'm going now on my vacation, I have to vote. I would really like to lynch Reywas, but no one seems to want to follow, so I'm left with either K4J or Mongoose who might get others' vote . I feel the stronger case if for K4J, and as much as I want him here playing, I can't let that go. Kitty, if you're a civ, I'm really sorry, but I have to make a decision now.

See you all on Saturday

FZ was putting a lot of relying into the idea that I was MP's partner.
She knew I wasn't. Therefore she was not being genuine here and thinking that I was on the other scum team.
I think she chose me over Mongoose for a reason (teammates).

The problem is Mongooses' vote for FZ.
But it is possible Mongoose placed it there not thinking that FZ would end up with so many votes (Heck, I didn't think she would!)

I don't think you enlarged enough of that post.

Are you saying you think Rey is her teammate?

Yeah, that's what I think. Him or two other candidates.

I am guessing Mongoose is not one of them? Do you think she is bad?
If I am being honest, Rey really helped reenforce my suspicion of FZ so I was thinking it wasn't him. He was vocal against her when no one else other than me, really, was. I guess it could be distancing gone wrong. Not sure how I feel about the idea of them being partners.

[Dom]

I think this is the only time I have ever seen three baddie lynches in the first three days. Best game ever!

All on the same team too! :O


Bye Elo!



I shall refuse the hospitality, pls.

[Mongoose]

Hi babes. Super quick post because I have people over but I'm being a sneaky sneak! I am relieved about Eloh. I freaking wrestled with that so much. Epi's streak still stands. I think this will be one of those games that we talk about in the future and its status as legendary is already cemented. "Remember when we lynched civs 3 days in a row?"

More tomorrow.

I am going to eat with the elf in hopes that it's like Persephone with the pomegranate and it means I'll never be able to leave Rivendell. Because that would be stellar.

[kneel4justice]

"Remember when we lynched civs 3 days in a row?"

No.

[Marmot]

"Remember when we lynched civs 3 days in a row?"

No.

I know, so confused...

[>SpaghettiEverywhere]

"Remember when we lynched civs 3 days in a row?".

wat

[>SpaghettiEverywhere]

also since i forgot drnks i might as well try for the drknskn

votes to drink

[Mongoose]

"Remember when we lynched civs 3 days in a row?".

wat

Whoops sorry am was in super rush people are over and im hidingin closet

[kneel4justice]

Ok, first off: an apology is in order, because the poll/post is worded poorly. It seemed clear to me, but that's only because I made it up. It definitely is not clear.

My interpretation of was, if you forgot food you had to choose whether to eat, if you forgot drink you had to choose whether to drink. It was just worded poorly.

Clarify, Host!

I think the options are "receive a gift from the Elves according to the item you forgot", or "No, refuse their hospitality". Players who brought both are forced to refuse.

These interpretations are correct. If, and ONLY if, you voted that you forgot food or drink in the Night 1 poll, you may choose to receive what you forgot from the mysterious elf tonight. You may also choose to refuse.

If you did NOT forget food or drink (for example, if you voted that you forgot a rope or diary, if you were not playing on Night 1, or if you forgot to vote in that poll), then it's probably simplest if you refuse the elf's hospitality. However...

I didn't forget anything (aside to vote in the Night 1 poll). Can I still have elven wine?

If you didn't forget drink but still REALLY want elven wine, you are welcome to it, I suppose. The mysterious elf did offer it, so he can't really do take-backsies without being a bad host.

@Host: So since I didn't vote in the Night 1 poll, should I treat that as having forgotton to pack both food and drink, or do I have to refuse the elf's hospitality because I was on vacation and a loser and not awesome and didn't vote at all?

See above: not voting = you didn't forget anything.


If anyone has already voted an option that is not appropriate to their situation, you may PM me and I will announce your vote change in-thread. The poll can be changed when I put it in the Polls thread to reflect any changes as well. If you nee further clarification, please ask in thread or PM me and I'll be happy to answer for individual situations.

Once again, sorry for the confusion. I will try to make future Night polls more clear.

oh I voted wrong

[Lizzy]

Wow! And wrong again I was! Excellent job guys, especially Rob! I blame my therapist: 'omg you should totally stop being overly analytical; go with your gut k.' Uhm no. :\

Anyway, I'll be out of town again and will be back only tomorrow. Sorries.

[reywaS]

FZ was putting a lot of relying into the idea that I was MP's partner.
She knew I wasn't. Therefore she was not being genuine here and thinking that I was on the other scum team.
I think she chose me over Mongoose for a reason (teammates).

The problem is Mongooses' vote for FZ.
But it is possible Mongoose placed it there not thinking that FZ would end up with so many votes (Heck, I didn't think she would!)

I don't think you enlarged enough of that post.

Are you saying you think Rey is her teammate?

Yeah, that's what I think. Him or two other candidates.

I am guessing Mongoose is not one of them? Do you think she is bad?
If I am being honest, Rey really helped reenforce my suspicion of FZ so I was thinking it wasn't him. He was vocal against her when no one else other than me, really, was. I guess it could be distancing gone wrong. Not sure how I feel about the idea of them being partners.

I've already pointed this out, but I will say it again.

If I was only distancing myself from FZ, I am not very bright. FZ was literally the only suspicion I had during that time. WOuldn't you think that if I was only distancing I would have at least brought up someone else?

Epig, I would like you to answer that for me. Am I that unaware of proper distancing tactics that I would do what you are suggesting I might have done?

Sorry for missing the vote. I didn't forget about it and nothing physically kept me from voting, but it was my fault that I missed it.

Note: I had to delete the first quote in this string of quotes because of the 5 quote limit stuff.

[juliets]

I brought food and water so I'm going to politely turn down the elves offer.

[A Person]

Wow! And wrong again I was! Excellent job guys, especially Rob! I blame my therapist: 'omg you should totally stop being overly analytical; go with your gut k.' Uhm no. :\

Anyway, I'll be out of town again and will be back only tomorrow. Sorries.

Going with your gut doesn't make you automatically right, it just makes you more decisive

[Epignosis]

If I was only distancing myself from FZ, I am not very bright. FZ was literally the only suspicion I had during that time. WOuldn't you think that if I was only distancing I would have at least brought up someone else?

Epig, I would like you to answer that for me. Am I that unaware of proper distancing tactics that I would do what you are suggesting I might have done?

I don't believe I implied you were distancing from anyone.