Overtime Mafia [Post-Game]

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Mac was like the least interesting kill possible lol he was obvious town

[Esooa]

I was interested in how Alison said mac would agree she's town today then Alison killed him

[tutuu]

Mac was a claimed VT lol what are wolves doing

[tutuu]

Could have been medic dodge or something

But he was claimed VT unless im tripping

Esoo, if town, was left alive on purpose

Or, if mafia she obv cant die

Initial thoughts are to just bury alison today. Her townread on me could be TMI

I just wrote another line and deleted it cuz its anti-town for me to say it itt. Dammit

I did dream about this game AGAIN. But not sure if i should say it cuz it actually had something to do with the doctors and im afraid of being the prophet for the mafia

[tutuu]

@Alison why are u so sure im town ali-chan?

[tutuu]

Initial thoughts on esoo are that shes still town despite being a claimed doc who wasnt attemptrd to be killed based off of her day talk + her voting syn

Isnt it suicidal for mafia to claim a PR that puts them on a ticking time bomb while bussing a partner?

Unless eso fake claimed as VT to eat the NK. @Esooa u arent VT right? If i was in your shoes i could see myself fakeclaiming as VT but i would rescind by now i think

If alison/eso are both town fuck this game, i rly dont wanna consider that possibility so i wont

Need to reread marmot and pay some more attention to the ppl ive been ignoring (nanook, LC, poison, falcon)

[tutuu]

Day 1 mafia yeet into a win for mafia is like the syndicate special btw guys, so i do believe we are actually in a rough spot

I would have preferred if a town was yeeted d1

[tutuu]

Just had a sick thought

Alison hates tinfoiling. She hates it a lot, she often talks about going thru the PoE to prove that the game isnt easy and then u can tinfoil. Tinfoiling is what loses games - alison 2020

And yet she has been doing nothing but that night 1, going after our claimed doc who buried a wolf + setting ted's ass on fire accusing him of bussing

I believe the standard approach is to just mow down the poe and leave ppl who helped kill a wolf alive, bit the fact that shes going so hard against her own philosophy ... could that ......... make her town in some sick and twisted way?

Liike if she only went against her own philosophy a liiitle bit. A tiny bit. Then that would have been scummy. Super scummy. Wolf. Die. But shes doing it so much

If shes town shes changing her views drastically wich is weird. If shes mafia shes doing something thats not only contradictory for her personality (so weird) but also something scummy in a vacuum imo (i do believe eso and ted are town). (So also weird). Unless shes scum and is galaxy brain and predicted i would make this exact read and townread her for this exact reason. Keikaku doori

Regardless i do think alison's play in a vacuum is less weird if shes town than if shes mafia and that makes me annoyed cuz i was conf biased into ending up scumreading alison with all of this. I desired to end up with a scumread not a townread

[tutuu]

I wouldnt put it past nook to be w/w with ali, i dont think the blatant buddying is that hard or unlikely at all to do as w/w

If im wrong on marmot being doc i guess he could be maf. Still wanna believe my PR read though. i do believe im generally great at nailing down PRs (another reason why im town, as egocentrical as it may sound if i were mafia im pretty sure a non-esooa doctor would have been dead last night)

Sigurd and ted are my two top townreads

I would be happier if game was more active, i cant rly force ppl to post but. Ive just had some terrible experience in my recent completed mafia games and i want 1 game where there are no shitty surprises, everyone puts a relevant amount of effort and we just win

[falcon45ca]

I wouldnt put it past nook to be w/w with ali, i dont think the blatant buddying is that hard or unlikely at all to do as w/w

If im wrong on marmot being doc i guess he could be maf. Still wanna believe my PR read though. i do believe im generally great at nailing down PRs (another reason why im town, as egocentrical as it may sound if i were mafia im pretty sure a non-esooa doctor would have been dead last night)

Sigurd and ted are my two top townreads

I would be happier if game was more active, i cant rly force ppl to post but. Ive just had some terrible experience in my recent completed mafia games and i want 1 game where there are no shitty surprises, everyone puts a relevant amount of effort and we just win

What do you make of Dr Wilgys Doc claim?

[tutuu]

[VOTE: alison] aubergine
[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

Suddenly feel afraid that marmot could be mafia and i not only defended syn d1 but i also doc claimed another mafia and got pressure off of him

Falcon, wilgy says that as his first post every game. Im afraid to openly PR hunt as town anymore. U know im starting to think that might not be very pro-town

Who u think is mafia falcon?

[Esooa]

Just had a sick thought

Alison hates tinfoiling. She hates it a lot, she often talks about going thru the PoE to prove that the game isnt easy and then u can tinfoil. Tinfoiling is what loses games - alison 2020

And yet she has been doing nothing but that night 1, going after our claimed doc who buried a wolf + setting ted's ass on fire accusing him of bussing

I believe the standard approach is to just mow down the poe and leave ppl who helped kill a wolf alive, bit the fact that shes going so hard against her own philosophy ... could that ......... make her town in some sick and twisted way?

Liike if she only went against her own philosophy a liiitle bit. A tiny bit. Then that would have been scummy. Super scummy. Wolf. Die. But shes doing it so much

If shes town shes changing her views drastically wich is weird. If shes mafia shes doing something thats not only contradictory for her personality (so weird) but also something scummy in a vacuum imo (i do believe eso and ted are town). (So also weird). Unless shes scum and is galaxy brain and predicted i would make this exact read and townread her for this exact reason. Keikaku doori

Regardless i do think alison's play in a vacuum is less weird if shes town than if shes mafia and that makes me annoyed cuz i was conf biased into ending up scumreading alison with all of this. I desired to end up with a scumread not a townread

imo she's stuck into scum reading me after I buried her night 1 but /shrug

[Esooa]

she posted scummy shit about how I would be resolved at SoD and I instantly called her out on it, but she had to just stick with it cause can't flip that

[tutuu]

Atm im leaning to agree

I feel emotionally good at the fact that i appear to be sheeping @tedxtr. Cuz cuz cuz its like, i gave him so much attitude and shit d1 and it's like he just sighed, lifted me up with 1 arm and put me aside while he went on to kill a wolf, silently got the job done while i was barking up the wrong tree like a little yorkie terrier. So now i just roll over and want belly rubs and follow him around hihihihi

[Esooa]

Atm im leaning to agree

I feel emotionally good at the fact that i appear to be sheeping @tedxtr. Cuz cuz cuz its like, i gave him so much attitude and shit d1 and it's like he just sighed, lifted me up with 1 arm and put me aside while he went on to kill a wolf, silently got the job done while i was barking up the wrong tree like a little yorkie terrier. So now i just roll over and want belly rubs and follow him around hihihihi

lmao that's adorable, also I still hard claim pr

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: alison] aubergine
[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

Suddenly feel afraid that marmot could be mafia and i not only defended syn d1 but i also doc claimed another mafia and got pressure off of him

Falcon, wilgy says that as his first post every game. Im afraid to openly PR hunt as town anymore. U know im starting to think that might not be very pro-town

Who u think is mafia falcon?

Alison, Marmot, Ted, Long Con, Dr Wilgy are all in my scum list ATM

[falcon45ca]

#70 is another post that looks W/W with Mac but I forgot to add it into my post. I'm trying not to bias too much since I assume Esooa is going to tend to gravitate towards the players that she knows best regardless, but I do think that when all is said and done they look like they're wolves together. I expect town Mac to bury Esooa way harder and more decisively with an opening like that (both from her and from him), and I think he might be hesitating because she's actually his teammate.

linki: Yes, I think if Mac is your partner he always distances from you there. He knows me well enough to know I'll scumread you, and Falcon (who's a bit of an attack dog that doesn't let go once he sinks his teeth in) has already expressed displeasure with your entrance. He doesn't really have a choice there, all he can do is soften the blow by adding nanook as an alternative scumread and not going after you as hard.

Coming back to this post in particular pings me as scummy.

[falcon45ca]

Mac was like the least interesting kill possible lol he was obvious town

Oh? Who would've been an interesting kill in your opinion?

[Long Con]

I'm down with the Alison yeet, and I'm cool to sheep into Marmot. I would have voted Joseph today, so yeah.

[VOTE: alison] aubergine

[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Mac was like the least interesting kill possible lol he was obvious town

Oh? Who would've been an interesting kill in your opinion?

Borderline POE and PR kills are interesting kills

Boring kill is usually good lol

[Long Con]

Maybe someone wanted it to look like I am the killer, since Joseph was after me.

[tutuu]

Maybe someone wanted it to look like I am the killer, since Joseph was after me.

*squints*

[Marmot]

Guess who can finally play mafia on a computer again!! The guy with 3 votes.

[falcon45ca]

Maybe someone wanted it to look like I am the killer, since Joseph was after me.

That someone being Alison, or your sheep read Marmot?



Got any other ideas on who may have set you up? Don't be afraid to tinfoil, after all you've come this far already

[falcon45ca]

Guess who can finally play mafia on a computer again!! The guy with 3 votes.

Who in your opinion looks the worst on your wagon?

[Marmot]

Guess who can finally play mafia on a computer again!! The guy with 3 votes.

Who in your opinion looks the worst on your wagon?

I haven't read up yet, I'll get back to you.

[Marmot]

Tutuu is certainly NOT the worst looking on my wagon. She's town.

[Alison]

I'm still down with the "exe Alison and if she's town exe Esooa" plan.

[Long Con]

Maybe someone wanted it to look like I am the killer, since Joseph was after me.

That someone being Alison, or your sheep read Marmot?



Got any other ideas on who may have set you up? Don't be afraid to tinfoil, after all you've come this far already

I'm fine with both my votes as the culprits, actually. I haven't really done any analysis of the Syn yeet beyond thinking that Joseph was suspect for his invalidation of votes (he voted Syn and wasn't on the other wagon, which is a great deception for a wolf with secretly invalidated votes) and of course he was killed and VT. I know that better players HAVE done some analysis of the yeet, and the extra info that can be gleaned from the mistake-correction, and I'm very much down to sheep some sensible analysis.

[Alison]

I'll look into the Marmot exe a little later when I'm not as tired, but I'm not particularly interested in being dragged to endgame as the game-losing misexe, and would rather out Esooa with my flip.

[Long Con]

I'll look into the Marmot exe a little later when I'm not as tired, but I'm not particularly interested in being dragged to endgame as the game-losing misexe, and would rather out Esooa with my flip.

Is that a guarantee? The Esooa thing?

[Marmot]

Ted hasn't posted yet today, but he's voted. I don't like that.

Long Con is sheeping, but I can't blame him since I sheeped him yesterday.

[Marmot]

Clearly I missed something, what's the Alison/esooa dichotomy?

[Marmot]

I wouldnt put it past nook to be w/w with ali, i dont think the blatant buddying is that hard or unlikely at all to do as w/w

If im wrong on marmot being doc i guess he could be maf. Still wanna believe my PR read though. i do believe im generally great at nailing down PRs (another reason why im town, as egocentrical as it may sound if i were mafia im pretty sure a non-esooa doctor would have been dead last night)

Sigurd and ted are my two top townreads

I would be happier if game was more active, i cant rly force ppl to post but. Ive just had some terrible experience in my recent completed mafia games and i want 1 game where there are no shitty surprises, everyone puts a relevant amount of effort and we just win

What do you make of Dr Wilgys Doc claim?

I wouldn't put much stock in it. DrWilgy is known for his first post of games being "My name is DrWilgy and I am most certainly not a doctor" or something like that.

[Marmot]

[VOTE: alison] aubergine
[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

Suddenly feel afraid that marmot could be mafia and i not only defended syn d1 but i also doc claimed another mafia and got pressure off of him

Falcon, wilgy says that as his first post every game. Im afraid to openly PR hunt as town anymore. U know im starting to think that might not be very pro-town

Who u think is mafia falcon?

I didn't ask you to doc-claim for me lol. Bring on the pressure!

[tutuu]

I'll look into the Marmot exe a little later when I'm not as tired, but I'm not particularly interested in being dragged to endgame as the game-losing misexe, and would rather out Esooa with my flip.

I dont understand how if u were to flip town it would out esooa

[Esooa]

I'll look into the Marmot exe a little later when I'm not as tired, but I'm not particularly interested in being dragged to endgame as the game-losing misexe, and would rather out Esooa with my flip.

I dont understand how if u were to flip town it would out esooa

Her flip will further confirm me as town

[Alison]

I'll look into the Marmot exe a little later when I'm not as tired, but I'm not particularly interested in being dragged to endgame as the game-losing misexe, and would rather out Esooa with my flip.

I dont understand how if u were to flip town it would out esooa

We're thunderdoming and both heavily suspect each other. If you don't exe Esooa after I flip green, that's on you, but proving that my suspicions on Esooa were entirely in good faith should be a strong motive for you to vote her out.

[Alison]

Also tutuu I'm not tinfoiling. Tinfoiling is when you take a player that you've trusted for most of the game and suddenly develop paranoia on them. I've been scumreading ted and Esooa since Day 1.

[Alison]

I think it might actually be game-theoretically correct for me to be voted out today. If Marmot is town then exeing Marmot is pretty disastrous for us, but my flip goes a very long way towards solving the game in this position.

[Alison]

So no matter what alignment you believe I am you should probably be voting me today. I'm open to hearing counterarguments, but I'm really not a big fan of the possibility that Marmot flips VT and we get dragged into a messy endgame without any real information.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

[Esooa]

Alison, if you're actually town can you at least explain why you continue to scum read both me and Ted

[Alison]

[vimeo][/vimeo]

Alison, if you're actually town can you at least explain why you continue to scum read both me and Ted

I scum read you because your entrance was bad and you haven't died at night. I scumread ted because he way he went back and forth between you and Marmot wasn't the best, and his progression on you doesn't match up with his actions; he's also in the most bus-like position on the Syn wagon, and I do not believe that wagon was entirely clean.

[Esooa]

Do you legitimately not have a single better reason? Do you think I fake claim then CFD the vote onto my partner? Do you have no reasons to scum me read past my entry post? Do you acknowledge that at this point in time your 2 scum reads are 2 people who you originally set up as being "If I'm town Ted is mafia" ? What has changed since then?

[Esooa]

For clarification; the only real reasons a mafia has to fake claim in the situation I was in are to get out real claims and to mislim a townie. Getting a mafia partner mislim'd off my fake claim is horrible. The world you believe in right now, with me, Ted, and Syn, is a world where all 3 of us as mafia plan what is in essence a double bus, expecting Syn to die, and expecting me to die after. Do you think this is in any way reasonable? Do you have other scum leans?

[Esooa]

Can you explain the way Ted's progression on me doesn't line up with his actions? What progression doesn't line up with what actions? I don't see it.

[Alison]

Do you legitimately not have a single better reason? Do you think I fake claim then CFD the vote onto my partner? Do you have no reasons to scum me read past my entry post? Do you acknowledge that at this point in time your 2 scum reads are 2 people who you originally set up as being "If I'm town Ted is mafia" ? What has changed since then?

I read through that EOD multiple times and I'm not actually convinced you were responsible for driving the CFD. The fact that you're still alive is a pretty strong reason to scumread you past your entry post. Your entry post was pretty bad too, given both Mac and I scumread it, and we're both town.

My read on ted was that if you're town he's mafia, but he can also be your buddy - giving him scum equity in either scenario. In any case it's unclear to me why that dynamic invalidates the reasons I have to scumread you.

linki: ted claimed to be anti-Esooa the whole Day 1, but seemed to be shielding you/didn't consider the possibility that you're lying or scum. From my position nothing you have done rules you out from being scum and I'm suspicious that ted is so quick to characterize the whole Syn wagon as pure when his supposed scumread was on it.

[Esooa]

I don't really think Ted is a good vote. Definitely feeling like syn is my preferred exe. I think marmot is a better exe than ted

Essoa keeps switching votes without calling it and I'm not a fan of that either.

Post cap. I also originally intended to vote for syn but mistook him for you. Your names are similar

Switching to LC and Syn for the moment.

Alison
0
No votes
Voters: None
Esooa
3
15%
Voters: Alison, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Syn
falcon45ca
0
No votes
Voters: None
Long Con
2
10%
Voters: sig, MacDougall
MacDougall
4
20%
Voters: Esooa, Marmot, Long Con, tedxtr
Marmot
1
5%
Voters: tedxtr
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
0
No votes
Voters: None
Poison
1
5%
Voters: MacDougall
sig
1
5%
Voters: MacDougall
Syn
2
10%
Voters: Esooa, sig
tedxtr
1
5%
Voters: tutuu
tutuu
0
No votes
Voters: None
Skip
0
No votes
Voters: None

we can get syn to 4 votes as well, and Mac to three

I like the syn elim the most

Can't even be bothered to read posts lol.

I don't think they're scum though because they're kinda trying to save me which is funny.

I think Syn, Poison and LC are the best choices.

Voted syn

Altho no read there

There is literally no possible way you can see that I did not cause Syn to die. I was the first one to suggest the vote. I said he was my most preferred exe. I was the first to vote for him. Sig followed along. This is proven by Tutuu's recording of the votes immediately afterwards. I suggested a Syn exe over Mac and Mac moved there. Ted sheeped me. I am extremely responsible for all these votes.

and I think Esooa had some villagery stuff going for them too

so maybe it's time to re-evaluate :P

Ted and I talked and he clearly expressed finding me more townie while doing so. While we talked he also explained that many people in the thread are scummy. It is very easy to see why someone who has many scum leans would prefer to exe someone they have began to believe is slightly more townie as well as is a claimed PR. Basically every point you have is either extremely invalid or a lie

[Esooa]

I don't really think Ted is a good vote. Definitely feeling like syn is my preferred exe. I think marmot is a better exe than ted

Essoa keeps switching votes without calling it and I'm not a fan of that either.

Post cap. I also originally intended to vote for syn but mistook him for you. Your names are similar

Switching to LC and Syn for the moment.

Alison
0
No votes
Voters: None
Esooa
3
15%
Voters: Alison, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Syn
falcon45ca
0
No votes
Voters: None
Long Con
2
10%
Voters: sig, MacDougall
MacDougall
4
20%
Voters: Esooa, Marmot, Long Con, tedxtr
Marmot
1
5%
Voters: tedxtr
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
0
No votes
Voters: None
Poison
1
5%
Voters: MacDougall
sig
1
5%
Voters: MacDougall
Syn
2
10%
Voters: Esooa, sig
tedxtr
1
5%
Voters: tutuu
tutuu
0
No votes
Voters: None
Skip
0
No votes
Voters: None

we can get syn to 4 votes as well, and Mac to three

I like the syn elim the most

Can't even be bothered to read posts lol.

I don't think they're scum though because they're kinda trying to save me which is funny.

I think Syn, Poison and LC are the best choices.

Voted syn

Altho no read there

There is literally no possible way you can see that I did not cause Syn to die. I was the first one to suggest the vote. I said he was my most preferred exe. I was the first to vote for him. Sig followed along. This is proven by Tutuu's recording of the votes immediately afterwards. I suggested a Syn exe over Mac and Mac moved there. Ted sheeped me. I am extremely responsible for all these votes.

and I think Esooa had some villagery stuff going for them too

so maybe it's time to re-evaluate :P

Ted and I talked and he clearly expressed finding me more townie while doing so. While we talked he also explained that many people in the thread are scummy. It is very easy to see why someone who has many scum leans would prefer to exe someone they have began to believe is slightly more townie as well as is a claimed PR. Basically every point you have is either extremely invalid or a lie

[Esooa]

Sorry for the double post.

Anyways, @Alison, if we're both town here I don't want to simply bury you. But you're giving me nothing to work with. Your read on me makes no sense, and the fact that you're stuck on me being scum just makes you look worse. There's already an obviously present argument you can give as to why I'm alive and town; I'm alive specifically to kill you today. Why do you not think I was left alive so that you die today, and then I'm scumread the day after or just killed that night? Why do you not try and re-evaluate against the huge amount of evidence against me being scum and try to find somewhere else to go? I don't understand it, so I very much hope you're mafia here because I would feel really bad for spending the entire day phase burying you if not but none of your play makes any sense