GAME 1 - 8-Ball Mafia [END]

#251

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 5:13 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 10:13 am Why don't you answer at my post about you and prefer to be quiet, why do you consider posting may help mafia?
@JiwonMeganPark
I am sad I was ignored

Told ya she's scummy

#252

I somehow forgot about this game for 5 hours. Dunno how the hell that happened. Sorry.

Starting day 2 soon. I'll make it 46 hours intead of 48, to keep timezones reasonable.

#253

Ambush

Michelle was in her hideout, waiting. She knew nobody was safe. But going out to investigate was too dangerous. They were the safest in their respective houses. So she prayed Natalija wasn't the one with the real briefcase.

But her prayer was soon revealed to be in vain, when the lights in her hideout went out. She grabbed her gun and yelled "Who is there"? Then she saw a light blinking near a window. She hid behind the kitchen table, and got ready to shoot if she light approached.

But it was a trap. While one member of the mafia held the light, the other appeared from behind, and stabbed MIchelle in the back.

Michelle was killed. She was town.

Day 2 Begins.

#254

How the hell?

#255

Friendly reminder that if you yeet the mafia's target again, the game ends immediately.

Good luck to both factions.

#256

LOL well!

#257

[VOTE: falcon45Ca] aubergine

gg

#258

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 3:16 am So Natalie suspected Jiwon, who complained about being the 8th and the wagon dissipated. Side note, Nat didn't town read Alison.
A good citizen tends to omgus but Jiwon who voted Odd without reason and kept the RVS on the same slot didn't bother very much with voting Natalie but shaded her in 2 posts.
Her vote for Falcon is a sheep of Alison

The famous 3 people wagon can be for mafia, there are few things that show Jiwon has scum behaviour, like I pistes above.

Ideas?

I will avenge you!

[VOTE: Jiwan] aubergine

#259

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 3:16 am So Natalie suspected Jiwon, who complained about being the 8th and the wagon dissipated. Side note, Nat didn't town read Alison.
A good citizen tends to omgus but Jiwon who voted Odd without reason and kept the RVS on the same slot didn't bother very much with voting Natalie but shaded her in 2 posts.
Her vote for Falcon is a sheep of Alison

The famous 3 people wagon can be for mafia, there are few things that show Jiwon has scum behaviour, like I pistes above.

Ideas?

I will avenge you!

[VOTE: Jiwan] aubergine

#260

Honestly shoulda done that years ago. Stuck with my guns

#261

Okay, so Jiwon wasn't the 8 ball.

I'm basically picking between Falcon and Jiwon right now. I'm going to track each of their progressions on Nata knowing that she's the 8ball and see which one seemed more like they were trying to kill specifically her.

#262

Jiwon starts off by voting Nata, but after I prod her about Falcon, she agrees with my case and votes Falcon.

Falcon starts off by voting Jiwon, but after receiving pressure, and Nata becoming his counterwagon, he votes Nata in self-pres.

LC is a slot that looks good off the EOD because he had no reason to vote Falcon (Nata was a very easy vote to justify) but he stayed the course and allowed the EOD to be close.

I don't believe that the Nata wagon is pure, there's at least 1 scum on it. That scum could be cat or Wilgy, I'm leaning towards cat. And the other scum is probably within Jiwon/Falcon.

#263

Falcon's vote progression on Nata had a more townie rationale. He started the day voting elsewhere, and only shifted to Nata as self-pres. Self-pres is NAI.

Jiwon started off voting Nata. Then when asked why they were voting Nata and not Falcon, they said "oh yeah" and switched to Falcon. That looks scummier than Falcon's shift, because it looks like Jiwon wanted to exe Nata at first, but then realized they couldn't justify/back up the read and shifted to Falcon instead.

Michelle's legacy was that Nata/Falcon was V/V and she was right about Nata. She was also nightkilled after saying that, while the person who was shielding Jiwon/attacking Falcon was left alive despite also being consensus townread and being relatively loud in the thread. If Falcon was scum, I think he kills me most of the time - I was on him, and I had correctly identified him as being the scum over Nata. Further, the suspicious actions that Falcon took early on in D1 don't have as much scum agenda if Nata isn't the 8ball.

Am currently leaning towards Jiwon on the Falcon/Jiwon scale. I'm going to look into Wilgy/cat later. I think cat's vote looked worse on the surface.

#264

If Falcon is scum why doesn't he kill me and pocket Michelle? Michelle thought he was town. He could kill me, 8ball Jiwon and win with Michelle suspecting Jiwon.

#265

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 4:36 pm
Natalija wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 4:15 pm
JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 3:58 pm [VOTE: Natalija] aubergine
Revenge vote?
i meant to vote for you even before moderator started the poll but wrong person

This is a potential scumslip. Now that we know Nata was the 8ball, the people who want to vote Nata before the moderator starts the poll would be those that selected her as the 8ball.

#266

cat wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:27 am Naked read is empty read without any explanation or context. Just writing down a name and allignment next to it.
I can see it's meta from your side but i wouldn't give points to someone because that's very easy to fake.

But Michelle feels sketchy for saying it's brave.
If it comes from mafia there's nothing brave about it. So my gut says it's likely mafia coming from the perspective that Wilgy is town or just pocketing.
[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

Jiwon was completely focused on game 2 so i'll back the wagon even if it does have 3 votes already. But it felt so blatantly scummy that i'll say if it does flip mafia the voter is already on there.
That would be Falcon/Wilgy/Natalija.

This looks bad knowing that MIchelle and Natalija are both town.

#267

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:26 pm This discussion tone seems to indicate that Michelle and Alison are solving. Jiwon and Falcon can resolve against Natalija. Cat can be PoE'd.

@DrWilgy Natalija is resolved. What is your read on Jiwon/Falcon there?

#268

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:34 pm Michelle is probably town, but I don't care. I ain't got time for her malarkey

Falcon - you say here that you think Michelle is town, but vote for her anyway. Just because you're annoyed by her "malarkey"? Why?

#269

So Michelle and Falcon are fighting for most of the first three pages, then around page 4 they seem to mutually townread each other, and on page 5 Michelle says that she thinks Falcon/Nata is V/V.

#270

Maybe we should just exe cat?

They can be scumbuddies with both Falcon and Jiwon. Whichever one of Falcon/Jiwon is scum probably did not 8ball them since each of them has a strong case on the other and would be more inclined to 8ball the other, unless they're way bigger brained than I thought.

#271

If cat flips scum we have more space to identify the mafia in Jiwon/Falcon. If cat flips town we probably don't lose the game on the spot, and Wilgy gets exposed as the deepwolf.

LC has townsided hard enough on a day where the scum got everything they wanted, plus has good tone. So I'm clearing him. Wilgy was on the Nata wagon, so he has to remain in the POE for me.

#272

Yeah making non existant player 8 ball makes more sense

#273

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 3:38 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:34 pm Michelle is probably town, but I don't care. I ain't got time for her malarkey
Falcon - you say here that you think Michelle is town, but vote for her anyway. Just because you're annoyed by her "malarkey"? Why?

I was frustrated with things, not just in game. Michelle's tunnel of me just didn't feel like Maf, and I voted for her partially in jest, hence the term malarkey

#274

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 3:31 am If Falcon is scum why doesn't he kill me and pocket Michelle? Michelle thought he was town. He could kill me, 8ball Jiwon and win with Michelle suspecting Jiwon.

Exactly. I'm not scum.

#275

Alison might mmbe scum tho.

#276

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:35 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 3:38 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:34 pm Michelle is probably town, but I don't care. I ain't got time for her malarkey
Falcon - you say here that you think Michelle is town, but vote for her anyway. Just because you're annoyed by her "malarkey"? Why?
I was frustrated with things, not just in game. Michelle's tunnel of me just didn't feel like Maf, and I voted for her partially in jest, hence the term malarkey

ok

#277

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:42 am Alison might mmbe scum tho.

I spent the whole of D1 pushing someone who wasn't the 8ball when I had a perfect excuse to push the 8ball. I pushed you because I thought you were scum on Jiwon's wagon, when I could just have easily have used that reasoning to push Nata (who was the 8ball). Michelle cast the deciding vote between Nata and you, which means that the vote was super close. If Michelle had not chosen Nata then we would've exed someone who wasn't the 8ball. If I was scum I could have easily voted Nata or even unvoted near EOD to make the Nata exe go over, but I made it as close as possible. Why would I do any of that if I was scum?

#278

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:44 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:42 am Alison might mmbe scum tho.
I spent the whole of D1 pushing someone who wasn't the 8ball when I had a perfect excuse to push the 8ball. I pushed you because I thought you were scum on Jiwon's wagon, when I could just have easily have used that reasoning to push Nata (who was the 8ball). Michelle cast the deciding vote between Nata and you, which means that the vote was super close. If Michelle had not chosen Nata then we would've exed someone who wasn't the 8ball. If I was scum I could have easily voted Nata or even unvoted near EOD to make the Nata exe go over, but I made it as close as possible. Why would I do any of that if I was scum?

To mess with my mind!

#279

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:47 am To mess with my mind!

Nah, I don't play like that as mafia. When I am mafia I am thirsty for townie blood. See Simpsons and Mysterious Universe where I played to maximize the number of townies I killed. If I am mafia here I am 100% pushing the 8ball and making sure there is no doubt. I don't sit on the counterwagon and let a townie make the call who to exe; that's simply not my style as a wolf. I am way too much of a control freak for that.

#280

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:50 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:47 am To mess with my mind!
Nah, I don't play like that as mafia. When I am mafia I am thirsty for townie blood. See Simpsons and Mysterious Universe where I played to maximize the number of townies I killed. If I am mafia here I am 100% pushing the 8ball and making sure there is no doubt. I don't sit on the counterwagon and let a townie make the call who to exe; that's simply not my style as a wolf. I am way too much of a control freak for that.

I'll choose to believe you for now.

#281

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:44 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:42 am Alison might mmbe scum tho.
I spent the whole of D1 pushing someone who wasn't the 8ball when I had a perfect excuse to push the 8ball. I pushed you because I thought you were scum on Jiwon's wagon, when I could just have easily have used that reasoning to push Nata (who was the 8ball). Michelle cast the deciding vote between Nata and you, which means that the vote was super close. If Michelle had not chosen Nata then we would've exed someone who wasn't the 8ball. If I was scum I could have easily voted Nata or even unvoted near EOD to make the Nata exe go over, but I made it as close as possible. Why would I do any of that if I was scum?

Why are you using something we have no control over as a defense? If you are townie you don't know who the 8ball is.

#282

I skimmed thread again today a second time.
Other than Jiwon, biggest suspects to me right now are Wilgy and Alison, Alison for D2 and Wilgy for D1. I'm busy with IRL right now so i will reread before i place my vote.

#283

cat wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 1:18 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:44 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:42 am Alison might mmbe scum tho.
I spent the whole of D1 pushing someone who wasn't the 8ball when I had a perfect excuse to push the 8ball. I pushed you because I thought you were scum on Jiwon's wagon, when I could just have easily have used that reasoning to push Nata (who was the 8ball). Michelle cast the deciding vote between Nata and you, which means that the vote was super close. If Michelle had not chosen Nata then we would've exed someone who wasn't the 8ball. If I was scum I could have easily voted Nata or even unvoted near EOD to make the Nata exe go over, but I made it as close as possible. Why would I do any of that if I was scum?
Why are you using something we have no control over as a defense? If you are townie you don't know who the 8ball is.

Yes, and if I was scum I would. And I would be pushing the 8ball so I could get a nightkill.

#284

cat wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 1:22 pm I skimmed thread again today a second time.
Other than Jiwon, biggest suspects to me right now are Wilgy and Alison, Alison for D2 and Wilgy for D1. I'm busy with IRL right now so i will reread before i place my vote.

Why did you vote Nata over Falcon?

#285

I edited the day 2 start post with an action write-up, for flavor. Sorry for the delay.

#286

Ok, well, here's why there's no vote today other than Jiwon.

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 3:20 pm [VOTE: Oddmerta] aubergine
Welcome

First post out of the gates after Day 1 begins. Go ahead, have a look. It's literal.

It's five minutes after this post:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 3:15 pm Oddmerta was replaced by Natalija

...and clearly Jiwon didn't notice this replacement.

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 3:56 pm I cant find the person I voted for in poll lol

So, Jiwon knew the name of a player who hadn't posted yet, and had been replaced, and wasn't even in the poll. But she knew she wanted to vote for this player. I wonder how that could come to be? Perhaps, because that player coincidentally turned out to be the 8-ball? The wolves would have named Oddmerta, not Nat, on Night 0. Right?

I can't ignore this and call it a coincidence.

[VOTE: Jiwon] aubergine

#287

I confused who replaced who

If I am scum I am drunk and I will naked serious vote my 8 ball target?

#288

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:15 am I think natalija meme voted me and never checked in again

I also said what natalija did was neutral yet I am the one who led the dkdk on natalija?
I wasn't even voting for them at the end
executing someone who wasn't even voting the 8 ball is pretty stupid

#289

[VOTE: test] aubergine

#290

Yeah that theory sounds a little too simple. It could simply be a pressure vote on an afk player. The fact they didn't even notice their vote got replaced proves it wasn't super serious or planned.

#291

#292

cat wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:24 am Yeah that theory sounds a little too simple. It could simply be a pressure vote on an afk player. The fact they didn't even notice their vote got replaced proves it wasn't super serious or planned.

Ever hear of Occam's Razor?

#293

cat wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:24 am Yeah that theory sounds a little too simple. It could simply be a pressure vote on an afk player. The fact they didn't even notice their vote got replaced proves it wasn't super serious or planned.

Good thing Jiwan has you to defend her

#294

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 10:31 am
cat wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:24 am Yeah that theory sounds a little too simple. It could simply be a pressure vote on an afk player. The fact they didn't even notice their vote got replaced proves it wasn't super serious or planned.
Good thing Jiwan has you to defend her

Not sure why you added this post on top. I was pushing them pretty hard D1, i disagree with a theory that really isn't super good and now i'm bad.

Yes i've heard of Occam's Razor, and the most simple explanation is them pressuring an afk player.

#295

I will say i'm confused why Jiwon got this defensive and just didn't explain what was going through their head though.

Jiwon, while you are at it, why did you choose to pressure an afk player in particular?

#296

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 1:50 pm
cat wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 1:18 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:44 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:42 am Alison might mmbe scum tho.
I spent the whole of D1 pushing someone who wasn't the 8ball when I had a perfect excuse to push the 8ball. I pushed you because I thought you were scum on Jiwon's wagon, when I could just have easily have used that reasoning to push Nata (who was the 8ball). Michelle cast the deciding vote between Nata and you, which means that the vote was super close. If Michelle had not chosen Nata then we would've exed someone who wasn't the 8ball. If I was scum I could have easily voted Nata or even unvoted near EOD to make the Nata exe go over, but I made it as close as possible. Why would I do any of that if I was scum?
Why are you using something we have no control over as a defense? If you are townie you don't know who the 8ball is.
Yes, and if I was scum I would. And I would be pushing the 8ball so I could get a nightkill.

We can't know that you wouldn't jump on the wagon. You were not present at EOD. But ok sure.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 1:50 pm
cat wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 1:22 pm I skimmed thread again today a second time.
Other than Jiwon, biggest suspects to me right now are Wilgy and Alison, Alison for D2 and Wilgy for D1. I'm busy with IRL right now so i will reread before i place my vote.
Why did you vote Nata over Falcon?

I townread Falcon.

#297

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 4:11 am
JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:15 am I think natalija meme voted me and never checked in again
I also said what natalija did was neutral yet I am the one who led the dkdk on natalija?
I wasn't even voting for them at the end
executing someone who wasn't even voting the 8 ball is pretty stupid

What's dkdk?

So we should look into how healthy the Nat wagon was when you jumped off.

#298

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 3:36 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:26 pm This discussion tone seems to indicate that Michelle and Alison are solving. Jiwon and Falcon can resolve against Natalija. Cat can be PoE'd.
@DrWilgy Natalija is resolved. What is your read on Jiwon/Falcon there?

Kill the Jiwon. Yolo.

#299

EOD is approaching, no one is really here. I assume everyone is ok with this lynch.
Looks like the other mafia member is sacking Jiwon then, or we just suck real bad.

#300

Who shot Michelle?