Doppelgangsters - Game Over - Town Wins

[Maid]

[VOTE: Nutellaphant] aubergine

[Maid]

I didn't have much time to analyze the game, but I had a question, and Nutellaphant's answer is not what I expected from a villager.

[NurseWilgy]

I didn't even ask you but you answered anyways, ooh I like that I think. Thought you were a werewolf to be honest but we'll see. I feel like your reads on dodo was TMI and that you were pushing Nutella for no reason besides lack of content. I asked because Maid behaved strangely during the EoD and I did not like it either, I agree. I was hoping Akemi or Martin could take a look through but thank you for answering.

I think my gut scum-read on paprika is mostly a pet conspiracy theory at this point.

I'm judging this a towny post/reaction to me, all things considered.

Though I do wonder where they thought I was pushing Nutella for lack of content.

[NurseWilgy]

I'm sorry I do not have high WIM this day phase. I should have paid more attention to my observation yesterday that the thread got a lot more excited after I arrived, in hindsight it's probably because the mafia stirred things up because they saw an opportunity to create chaos or save a buddy due to my entrance.

I would try to stay away from just blanket suspicions here for EoD1.

That could be easily mistaken as wolves being comfortable and villagers jump in to try and save the day depending on how one looks at it.

[NurseWilgy]

I may be slightly biased but I think Nutella's wall is fairly good or redeeming.

[NurseWilgy]

I may be slightly biased but I think Nutella's wall is fairly good or redeeming.

Though they might not be aware that some things may be done solely for role-play purposes.

[NurseWilgy]

Nutella made notes before reading up to flips and typed her reaction to dodo being killed but did not acknowledge bodyguard reveal. She has dodo but not 1337 in summary list.

I quite often forget a player or two in my (posted) reads list, especially if they're low-posting.

I don't think its that big of a deal.

[NurseWilgy]

forgot to remove dodo from my d1 reads.

When did you make the reads list?

i made the readlist as i went and i updated it as my thoughts changed

I didn't have much time to analyze the game, but I had a question, and Nutellaphant's answer is not what I expected from a villager.

This looks like the definition of a playstyle difference, possibly NAI.

[Maid]

Votes after post 500

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y'know what? let's have some fun

i think My Shell is town

[VOTE: dodo] aubergine

[VOTE: boring boy] aubergine

that was anything but boring

[VOTE: boringboi666] aubergine

I am happy for boring boy CFD if I do not need self pres vote

[VOTE: boring boy] aubergine

[VOTE: Boringboi666] aubergine

[VOTE: Boringboi666 ] aubergine

[VOTE: nutellaphant] aubergine

[VOTE: boringboy] aubergine

i feel worst of him of the 3

The wagons at post 500 were
4 MyShell: Martin, Maid, Paprika, Quokka
4 Nutphant: Fusk, NurseW, BB, Akemi
Dodo had the vote on Paprika, ftr
And we had Dodo's wagon with MyShell, Quokka and Fusk earlier in the day.

Psp started the wagon on BB who gained traction verry fast.

I know for sure that I saw Nutphant at 6 or7 votes at a 2 votes distance from Boy, and I wanted to see if all the votes were expressed in the thread and check who was on Nutphant, but not all the votes were posted, someone voted just in the poll, switching votes.

The wagon who dissipated was MyShell's who self pressed in the new formed wagon.
Martin, me (Maid), Quokka and Dodo migrated on BB and later Martin on Nutphant.
Paprika stayed on MyShell.
I am impressed on how froze is Nutphant's wagon, maybe is because of the inactivity of some timezones at Eod?

Why did you choose the new formed wagon @My Shell?

Why, if you had cold feet for the BB wagon, you didn't vote to save him @Paprika ?

@MartinWP69 do you remember the wagons at the moment of your vote on Nutphant?

Who else remembers/noted the votes dynamics? Maybe I missed something in what I posted, I want feedback please.

[Maid]

forgot to remove dodo from my d1 reads.

When did you make the reads list?

i made the readlist as i went and i updated it as my thoughts changed

I didn't have much time to analyze the game, but I had a question, and Nutellaphant's answer is not what I expected from a villager.

This looks like the definition of a playstyle difference, possibly NAI.

Derp clear for Nutphant is denied, other than that, I have no problem with playstyle.

[My Shell]

I voted boring wagon bc it felt right in the moment as they had a very wolfy pop in. But kind of regret the choice since maybe Nut was being saved.

[Maid]

I voted boring wagon bc it felt right in the moment as they had a very wolfy pop in. But kind of regret the choice since maybe Nut was being saved.

What read you had for Nutphant before Eod?

[My Shell]

I voted boring wagon bc it felt right in the moment as they had a very wolfy pop in. But kind of regret the choice since maybe Nut was being saved.

What read you had for Nutphant before Eod?

Had light wolf read but was not my preference over dodo, felt around equal between nutella and boring boi.

[Paprika]

I didn't even ask you but you answered anyways, ooh I like that I think. Thought you were a werewolf to be honest but we'll see. I feel like your reads on dodo was TMI and that you were pushing Nutella for no reason besides lack of content. I asked because Maid behaved strangely during the EoD and I did not like it either, I agree. I was hoping Akemi or Martin could take a look through but thank you for answering.

I think my gut scum-read on paprika is mostly a pet conspiracy theory at this point.

I'm judging this a towny post/reaction to me, all things considered.

Though I do wonder where they thought I was pushing Nutella for lack of content.

Vote on me aside, NurseWilgy is sus. They're asking for a case on dodo (who I personally am okay with at the moment), and they're voting for me due to lack of content. They don't know where they're at in the game.

But then again, that's the words coming out of past-nutella rather than a push from you, who I townread from the little content they gave (wack reasons for it though).
And good news, nutella is now townreading you which I think looks good for them.

Why were you voting Nutella though Nurse? I think this is a waste of time question since I am probably leaning more town for you now but yeah, lack of content vote seems soooo easy which is why I agreed with nutella that you were scum for doing it.

[Paprika]

Votes after post 500

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y'know what? let's have some fun

i think My Shell is town

[VOTE: dodo] aubergine

[VOTE: boring boy] aubergine

that was anything but boring

[VOTE: boringboi666] aubergine

I am happy for boring boy CFD if I do not need self pres vote

[VOTE: boring boy] aubergine

[VOTE: Boringboi666] aubergine

[VOTE: Boringboi666 ] aubergine

[VOTE: nutellaphant] aubergine

[VOTE: boringboy] aubergine

i feel worst of him of the 3

The wagons at post 500 were
4 MyShell: Martin, Maid, Paprika, Quokka
4 Nutphant: Fusk, NurseW, BB, Akemi
Dodo had the vote on Paprika, ftr
And we had Dodo's wagon with MyShell, Quokka and Fusk earlier in the day.

Psp started the wagon on BB who gained traction verry fast.

I know for sure that I saw Nutphant at 6 or7 votes at a 2 votes distance from Boy, and I wanted to see if all the votes were expressed in the thread and check who was on Nutphant, but not all the votes were posted, someone voted just in the poll, switching votes.

The wagon who dissipated was MyShell's who self pressed in the new formed wagon.
Martin, me (Maid), Quokka and Dodo migrated on BB and later Martin on Nutphant.
Paprika stayed on MyShell.
I am impressed on how froze is Nutphant's wagon, maybe is because of the inactivity of some timezones at Eod?

Why did you choose the new formed wagon @My Shell?

Why, if you had cold feet for the BB wagon, you didn't vote to save him @Paprika ?

@MartinWP69 do you remember the wagons at the moment of your vote on Nutphant?

Who else remembers/noted the votes dynamics? Maybe I missed something in what I posted, I want feedback please.

I thought both of the players were going to be a sure miss,
1) werewolves would never allow boring to be pivoted with EoD because they were coasty
2) @Quokka mentioned how nutella was going to be a miss because the EoD was not active enough so means that werewolves were comfortable with the bw on nutella

Both were misses, that was why I strongly suggested for a pivot to MyShell who I had an actual reason to vote for.
- Eod Activity increased when two votes were on MyShell
- ISOs do not mention any sufficient scumcase on either of the pivots that they were willing to "self-pres" on.
- I felt like scumread me but then dropped it when there was a lack of traction ( you said "dodo or paprika has one werewolf", but never really pushed it or wanted to convince anyone)

I voted who I think is sus.


Do you really think I white-knighted both the low count post wagons?

[Fuskdall]

okay that was on purpose

[Paprika]

This is a pretty slow D2, I feel like. What is going on hmmm....
[VOTE: MyShell ] aubergine

[My Shell]

This is a pretty slow D2, I feel like. What is going on hmmm....
[VOTE: MyShell ] aubergine

Rude I am most active of this day

[My Shell]

What happened to people solving, I am curious for more thoughts on my Nutella suspicions

[Paprika]

What happened to people solving, I am curious for more thoughts on my Nutella suspicions

I gave reasons for both Nutella and Boring clearly you have not read my Iso, it is there if you look.

Pre-Eod Scum reasoning

I did say earlier as she never explained any reads just gave food types. Did not feel like village solving attitude

I thought they were not explaining their thought processes and looked to be coasting along without real solving mindset.

Counter :
Coasting is not werewolf surviving mindset either though. I feel like at most, it should be Null reads for them. I wish you had sufficient reasoning on people who did give content. It reallllly looks like easy pushes man.

Post-Eod Scum reasoning

Still think nutella was maybe saved shoudl we vote there again

I did think Fuskdall made a good observation yesterday that Nutella might have been saved by the counter wagons that popped up first mine then Boring being pushed.

Counter :

As @Quokka hypothesized in EoD1, he said wolves were probably comfortable since it initially wasn't chaotic.

When TSP was there, he was care-free in a sense and while it could be viewed as towny in an EoD I honestly think that's suspicious under the idea that wolves were comfortable with that day's elimination.

Yes I see that. Wolves would be comfortable yesterday if Nutella is town and we had all v/v wagons

So you see this observation and you see another. Where do you stand on it?

[Paprika]

What happened to people solving

Can you solve Fuskdall, PSP, Akemi's alignment for us?

[PonySparkPrime]

wutup

[PonySparkPrime]

we lost a bodyguard huh, i dont see any obvious breadcrumbs of who they mighta saved

[PonySparkPrime]

dodo's a weird kill, they musta guarded someone

[PonySparkPrime]

@1337 why did you vote dodo over a wagon?

dodo was a wagon right?

[PonySparkPrime]

MyShell I shan't death-tunnel you and keep open-minded. But I just want to say that your logs at EoD seemed so Self-Preservation. Can you just read over them one more time? You can see that your iso logs have not mentioned any scumcase, not even a little reasoning, on either Boring or Nutella. Also, you said one werewolf was between me and dodo but at least you gave a read for that when you thought I was scummy.

What was your read on Nutella and why, they only have 9 logs so it seems like a rather easy push. I want to hear some good scam cases for at least 2 people or I think I'd vote for you today.


@nutellaphant got a read on the situation? It was a pretty spicy EoD for you, wasn't it?

self-prezervation is a perfectly valid strat if youre getting trained

[PonySparkPrime]

They don't really wait for anyone to answer and they just end up voting anyways 2 minutes later.

someone did answer though

[PonySparkPrime]

holy wallpost batman, guess im reading nutella's wall instead of some leisure literature tonight

[PonySparkPrime]

[VOTE: TurnstilePlatinum] aubergine

eh, i dont like your vote, since it's one of two posts you've made today

[My Shell]

What happened to people solving, I am curious for more thoughts on my Nutella suspicions

I gave reasons for both Nutella and Boring clearly you have not read my Iso, it is there if you look.

Pre-Eod Scum reasoning

I did say earlier as she never explained any reads just gave food types. Did not feel like village solving attitude

I thought they were not explaining their thought processes and looked to be coasting along without real solving mindset.

Counter :
Coasting is not werewolf surviving mindset either though. I feel like at most, it should be Null reads for them. I wish you had sufficient reasoning on people who did give content. It reallllly looks like easy pushes man.

Post-Eod Scum reasoning

Still think nutella was maybe saved shoudl we vote there again

I did think Fuskdall made a good observation yesterday that Nutella might have been saved by the counter wagons that popped up first mine then Boring being pushed.

Counter :

As @Quokka hypothesized in EoD1, he said wolves were probably comfortable since it initially wasn't chaotic.

When TSP was there, he was care-free in a sense and while it could be viewed as towny in an EoD I honestly think that's suspicious under the idea that wolves were comfortable with that day's elimination.

Yes I see that. Wolves would be comfortable yesterday if Nutella is town and we had all v/v wagons

So you see this observation and you see another. Where do you stand on it?

I do not understand your question sir and feel you have missed my points today

[My Shell]

What happened to people solving

Can you solve Fuskdall, PSP, Akemi's alignment for us?

I have fuskdall towny and the other two sort of null reads.

[My Shell]

Nutella made notes before reading up to flips and typed her reaction to dodo being killed but did not acknowledge bodyguard reveal. She has dodo but not 1337 in summary list.

May be crazy theory but if she came in as wolf she may know original kill target but maybe tried to fake natural reaction to dodo dying and purposely analyze if it was mafia intended target and realizing bodyguard thing later. Can be real town POV but felt weird I feel experienced players notice implications of bodyguard dying especially when they were not a common town read player.

Also this may be silly to tie in 1337 bc not sure they would be likely target but is on mind.

Here is what I wish to be acknowledged

[PonySparkPrime]

i actually really hate ponystarkprime claiming mason, come to think of it? the first time it was done, it read as genuine, and neither fuskdall nor akemi were wolfy up to page 2 (where i currently am). fuskdall

i thought it was obvious that it was a joke

[PonySparkPrime]

Nutella made notes before reading up to flips and typed her reaction to dodo being killed but did not acknowledge bodyguard reveal. She has dodo but not 1337 in summary list.

May be crazy theory but if she came in as wolf she may know original kill target but maybe tried to fake natural reaction to dodo dying and purposely analyze if it was mafia intended target and realizing bodyguard thing later. Can be real town POV but felt weird I feel experienced players notice implications of bodyguard dying especially when they were not a common town read player.

Also this may be silly to tie in 1337 bc not sure they would be likely target but is on mind.

Here is what I wish to be acknowledged

I think it's pretty tin-foily. Nutella did the same thing regarding boringboy, and added their death in the wallpost just like they did dodo's death: at the end of the reactions and the conclusion of the day.

[PonySparkPrime]

What happened to people solving, I am curious for more thoughts on my Nutella suspicions

I gave reasons for both Nutella and Boring clearly you have not read my Iso, it is there if you look.

Pre-Eod Scum reasoning

I did say earlier as she never explained any reads just gave food types. Did not feel like village solving attitude

I thought they were not explaining their thought processes and looked to be coasting along without real solving mindset.

Counter :
Coasting is not werewolf surviving mindset either though. I feel like at most, it should be Null reads for them. I wish you had sufficient reasoning on people who did give content. It reallllly looks like easy pushes man.

Post-Eod Scum reasoning

Still think nutella was maybe saved shoudl we vote there again

I did think Fuskdall made a good observation yesterday that Nutella might have been saved by the counter wagons that popped up first mine then Boring being pushed.

Counter :

As @Quokka hypothesized in EoD1, he said wolves were probably comfortable since it initially wasn't chaotic.

When TSP was there, he was care-free in a sense and while it could be viewed as towny in an EoD I honestly think that's suspicious under the idea that wolves were comfortable with that day's elimination.

Yes I see that. Wolves would be comfortable yesterday if Nutella is town and we had all v/v wagons

So you see this observation and you see another. Where do you stand on it?

this post doesnt make any sense to me, what's it mean?

[Maid]

Nutella made notes before reading up to flips and typed her reaction to dodo being killed but did not acknowledge bodyguard reveal. She has dodo but not 1337 in summary list.

May be crazy theory but if she came in as wolf she may know original kill target but maybe tried to fake natural reaction to dodo dying and purposely analyze if it was mafia intended target and realizing bodyguard thing later. Can be real town POV but felt weird I feel experienced players notice implications of bodyguard dying especially when they were not a common town read player.

Also this may be silly to tie in 1337 bc not sure they would be likely target but is on mind.

Here is what I wish to be acknowledged

I think it's pretty tin-foily. Nutella did the same thing regarding boringboy, and added their death in the wallpost just like they did dodo's death: at the end of the reactions and the conclusion of the day.

This is even worse, it seems she did it on purpose.
Can you tell me what's towny at Nutphant? I see you're defending her

[Maid]

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y'know what? let's have some fun

i think My Shell is town

[VOTE: dodo] aubergine

[VOTE: boring boy] aubergine

that was anything but boring

[VOTE: boringboi666] aubergine

I am happy for boring boy CFD if I do not need self pres vote

[VOTE: boring boy] aubergine

[VOTE: Boringboi666] aubergine

[VOTE: Boringboi666 ] aubergine

[VOTE: nutellaphant] aubergine

[VOTE: boringboy] aubergine

i feel worst of him of the 3

The wagons at post 500 were
4 MyShell: Martin, Maid, Paprika, Quokka
4 Nutphant: Fusk, NurseW, BB, Akemi
Dodo had the vote on Paprika, ftr
And we had Dodo's wagon with MyShell, Quokka and Fusk earlier in the day.

Psp started the wagon on BB who gained traction verry fast.

I know for sure that I saw Nutphant at 6 or7 votes at a 2 votes distance from Boy, and I wanted to see if all the votes were expressed in the thread and check who was on Nutphant, but not all the votes were posted, someone voted just in the poll, switching votes.

The wagon who dissipated was MyShell's who self pressed in the new formed wagon.
Martin, me (Maid), Quokka and Dodo migrated on BB and later Martin on Nutphant.
Paprika stayed on MyShell.
I am impressed on how froze is Nutphant's wagon, maybe is because of the inactivity of some timezones at Eod?

Why did you choose the new formed wagon @My Shell?

Why, if you had cold feet for the BB wagon, you didn't vote to save him @Paprika ?

@MartinWP69 do you remember the wagons at the moment of your vote on Nutphant?

Who else remembers/noted the votes dynamics? Maybe I missed something in what I posted, I want feedback please.

I thought both of the players were going to be a sure miss,
1) werewolves would never allow boring to be pivoted with EoD because they were coasty
2) @Quokka mentioned how nutella was going to be a miss because the EoD was not active enough so means that werewolves were comfortable with the bw on nutella

Both were misses, that was why I strongly suggested for a pivot to MyShell who I had an actual reason to vote for.
- Eod Activity increased when two votes were on MyShell
- ISOs do not mention any sufficient scumcase on either of the pivots that they were willing to "self-pres" on.
- I felt like scumread me but then dropped it when there was a lack of traction ( you said "dodo or paprika has one werewolf", but never really pushed it or wanted to convince anyone)

I voted who I think is sus.


Do you really think I white-knighted both the low count post wagons?

Pink - How do you know Nutphant is a miss?
Purple - I didn't think at this, did you?
Plus, your meme shows an intention I don't have, so show me why my question is a shade.

[MartinWP69]

[VOTE: TurnstilePlatinum] aubergine

eh, i dont like your vote, since it's one of two posts you've made today

Would you like it more if I had three posts?

[Paprika]

@Maid

Pink - How do you know Nutphant is a miss?

Both were misses,

in my opinion, because

2) @Quokka mentioned how nutella was going to be a miss because the EoD was not active enough so means that werewolves were comfortable with the bw on nutella

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Purple - I didn't think at this, did you?

or no nutella was the one that pointed it out, lol i mixed up the person who accused me. oops sorry
@nutellaphant (cough)

[Paprika]

Oh no, I feel like my town credit for defending Boring to not be boring pivoted is slowly fading away....

@Akemi Homura helpppppp

And @PonySparkPrime , I think self-pres is indeed mechacnially town move, but only if you are indeed a power role. If you're just a Vanilla Town, you risk self-pres voting a power role which is even more anti town than you who will most likely still be scumread as VT for the remaining game state. That's why I dislike quick pivots without letting them role reveal, especially players who are being voted off for basically low content ( I think the pushes for the other quotes they said near EoD was such an abrupt push ) . So yeah MyShell better be power role if they are town like they softed. :L. But that is seeming less and less likely because two prs are already dead and I really doubt that the remaining town pr slots go to MyShell honestly with the way they are playing.

[Paprika]

Wow that image is unintentionally huge sorry guys lol

[Paprika]

I think these memes aren't working out for me, I'll stop.

[My Shell]

Is there any vt? I thought setup is all prs

[My Shell]

I could be wrong but if not think paprika slipped

[My Shell]

OP is not clear on that but everyone gets some bonus for the best role playing which i would think is tied to roles

[PonySparkPrime]

Nutella made notes before reading up to flips and typed her reaction to dodo being killed but did not acknowledge bodyguard reveal. She has dodo but not 1337 in summary list.

May be crazy theory but if she came in as wolf she may know original kill target but maybe tried to fake natural reaction to dodo dying and purposely analyze if it was mafia intended target and realizing bodyguard thing later. Can be real town POV but felt weird I feel experienced players notice implications of bodyguard dying especially when they were not a common town read player.

Also this may be silly to tie in 1337 bc not sure they would be likely target but is on mind.

Here is what I wish to be acknowledged

I think it's pretty tin-foily. Nutella did the same thing regarding boringboy, and added their death in the wallpost just like they did dodo's death: at the end of the reactions and the conclusion of the day.

This is even worse, it seems she did it on purpose.
Can you tell me what's towny at Nutphant? I see you're defending her

why is it worse to read the thread and make reads without spoilers turned on?

[PonySparkPrime]

*intentionally mind you. that seems to be the part you think is worse

[My Shell]

Nutella made notes before reading up to flips and typed her reaction to dodo being killed but did not acknowledge bodyguard reveal. She has dodo but not 1337 in summary list.

May be crazy theory but if she came in as wolf she may know original kill target but maybe tried to fake natural reaction to dodo dying and purposely analyze if it was mafia intended target and realizing bodyguard thing later. Can be real town POV but felt weird I feel experienced players notice implications of bodyguard dying especially when they were not a common town read player.

Also this may be silly to tie in 1337 bc not sure they would be likely target but is on mind.

Here is what I wish to be acknowledged

I think it's pretty tin-foily. Nutella did the same thing regarding boringboy, and added their death in the wallpost just like they did dodo's death: at the end of the reactions and the conclusion of the day.

This is even worse, it seems she did it on purpose.
Can you tell me what's towny at Nutphant? I see you're defending her

why is it worse to read the thread and make reads without spoilers turned on?

I don't mind the reading unspoiled on flips, that is a good approch I think, my observation was specifically based on bodyguard which wolf wouldn't know was dying and maybe faked analysis

[PonySparkPrime]

[VOTE: TurnstilePlatinum] aubergine

eh, i dont like your vote, since it's one of two posts you've made today

Would you like it more if I had three posts?

yup, thats the stuff

[PonySparkPrime]

Nutella made notes before reading up to flips and typed her reaction to dodo being killed but did not acknowledge bodyguard reveal. She has dodo but not 1337 in summary list.

May be crazy theory but if she came in as wolf she may know original kill target but maybe tried to fake natural reaction to dodo dying and purposely analyze if it was mafia intended target and realizing bodyguard thing later. Can be real town POV but felt weird I feel experienced players notice implications of bodyguard dying especially when they were not a common town read player.

Also this may be silly to tie in 1337 bc not sure they would be likely target but is on mind.

Here is what I wish to be acknowledged

I think it's pretty tin-foily. Nutella did the same thing regarding boringboy, and added their death in the wallpost just like they did dodo's death: at the end of the reactions and the conclusion of the day.

This is even worse, it seems she did it on purpose.
Can you tell me what's towny at Nutphant? I see you're defending her

why is it worse to read the thread and make reads without spoilers turned on?

I don't mind the reading unspoiled on flips, that is a good approch I think, my observation was specifically based on bodyguard which wolf wouldn't know was dying and maybe faked analysis

they did talk about dodo's death in the same post where dodo is placed in the reads list, so it's not like they didn't know.

it's possible i guess, but i think unlikely