Bike [END]

[Seanzie]

Hi guys. I told Seanzie yesterday that I would elaborate on my suspicions but I decided I will not. Reason is because I can't explain them with words, I just remember how the players felt as a whole after I interacted with them, so I'm gonna wait before providing solid reads that wolves can use to determine whether or not I'm a NK candidate.

I get this strange feeling that you are not concerned with helping town find scum today...

[Made]

So i've played games with everyone here (including Juliet ) besides Dyslexicon, Guillotine, Seanzie, and Snowmelts. Y'all from off world or just syndicats I've haven't met yet?

Either way- Hi! I'm Made. I play mafia on this site sometimes. My favorite color is purple, and I play the piano!

[Seanzie]

@tutuu, what do you think of Guillotine?

[Seanzie]

So i've played games with everyone here (including Juliet ) besides Dyslexicon, Guillotine, Seanzie, and Snowmelts. Y'all from off world or just syndicats I've haven't met yet?

Either way- Hi! I'm Made. I play mafia on this site sometimes. My favorite color is purple, and I play the piano!

Hi, I'm Sean. My favorite color is also purple. I do not play the piano, and this is my first game on this site and 8th overall.

[Made]

Ok i understand. Butting in to answer questions meant for others is generally a scum tell, be careful.

It totally isn't imo. This is kind of what I mean with using "general scum tells" that are meant to apply to everyone. I don't know, it's not my thing. But it's ok if it works for you.

I don't tend to be careful. =p

but one step further, policy scum tells are really only useful in context- unless you're mafia in which case it's always useful

[VOTE: Guillotine] aubergine

[juliets]

Hi everyone! I see people I haven't met yet so I look forward to getting to know you. I've read a little bit of the game so I don't anticipate having a hard time catching up. Anything I should pay particular attention to besides understanding reasons for votes?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Juuuuuuuuuullllllllles

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

You should play video maf with us on Saturday!

[Seanzie]

Juuuuuuuuuullllllllles

Are you planning on changing your vote now? If so, what are you thinking?

How do you feel about Tutuu this game?

[Made]

So I iso'd Tutuu and half way through I caught myself reading all of her post in the voice of Mojo jojo.

Spoiler: show

In of itself that's not alignment indicative, but like in combo with her 180 tone shift from Shadows it's sus

2 mafia down, looking for the last one now.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Idk depends on what Jules does

I think tutu is town I’ve said that

[Seanzie]

So I iso'd Tutuu and half way through I caught myself reading all of her post in the voice of Mojo jojo.

Spoiler: show

In of itself that's not alignment indicative, but like in combo with her 180 tone shift from Shadows it's sus

2 mafia down, looking for the last one now.

I think instead you should read it in the voice of Bubbles when Bubbles hit her head and thought she was Mojo Jojo.

[Made]

So I iso'd Tutuu and half way through I caught myself reading all of her post in the voice of Mojo jojo.

Spoiler: show

In of itself that's not alignment indicative, but like in combo with her 180 tone shift from Shadows it's sus

2 mafia down, looking for the last one now.

I think instead you should read it in the voice of Bubbles when Bubbles hit her head and thought she was Mojo Jojo.

so I was going to say exactly that, but figured that was doing too much

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Made you should also play video maf with us again!

[Made]

Made you should also play video maf with us again!

already there. just put it on my calender!

[Seanzie]

Idk depends on what Jules does

I think tutu is town I’ve said that

You've said Tutuu is town, but not really given any reason for that read. I think most people have commented that Tutuu looks different than her recent games. What are you seeing that makes you think even with the tonal shift, she is still town?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Made you should also play video maf with us again!

already there. just put it on my calender!

Noice

[TonyStarkPrime]

i always tunnel juliets so therefore juliets w confirmed

[Made]

The tonal shift is the /only/ thing about it that’s town. Tutuu’s posts are probably rand wolf from a player of her caliber but just the sun of it is undeniable

Linki: jesus don’t everyone change the subject all at once
Marmot I’m town which means I don’t care which means please carry me

Um. The tonal shift is what made me suspect or rather just thrown off in the first place. What do you mean that her posts are rand wolf from a player of her caliber? Why is tonal shift town?

It’s intentional, wolves don’t do that. The posts are rand wolf because I think a lot of them are scummy but that doesn’t matter because tutuu is town and thus all her posts are town

Wolves aren't intentional? that's a weird take

[juliets]

You should play video maf with us on Saturday!

I can't imagine that I would ever be good at that!

On another subject, @tutuu I notice you asked about how good Epi is at mafia and though I may have missed it I didn't see anyone tell you that at one time (this may still be true, I don't know) he was the winningest player as Mafia on the site (correct me somebody if I phrased that wrong). I'd put his Mafia game at about a 97 out of 100. He can be caught, it's just difficult.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Idk depends on what Jules does

I think tutu is town I’ve said that

You've said Tutuu is town, but not really given any reason for that read. I think most people have commented that Tutuu looks different than her recent games. What are you seeing that makes you think even with the tonal shift, she is still town?

She’s hitting her town markers imo

I’ll look again d2 to make sure but yeah I think she’s town

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

You should play video maf with us on Saturday!

I can't imagine that I would ever be good at that!

On another subject, @tutuu I notice you asked about how good Epi is at mafia and though I may have missed it I didn't see anyone tell you that at one time (this may still be true, I don't know) he was the winningest player as Mafia on the site (correct me somebody if I phrased that wrong). I'd put his Mafia game at about a 97 out of 100. He can be caught, it's just difficult.

You’ll fit right in then! It’s more about hanging out with friends in a zoom call for an hour or two than it is about being good at the game

[Guillotine]

Ok i understand. Butting in to answer questions meant for others is generally a scum tell, be careful.

It totally isn't imo. This is kind of what I mean with using "general scum tells" that are meant to apply to everyone. I don't know, it's not my thing. But it's ok if it works for you.

I don't tend to be careful. =p

but one step further, policy scum tells are really only useful in context- unless you're mafia in which case it's always useful

[VOTE: Guillotine] aubergine

explain

[juliets]

ok I read through tutuu's ISO and have a question about the votes for her - is the main reason for the votes that she has tonally shifted in this game from her tone in other games and on discord? Someone, I can't remember who, said that it doesn't really make good sense to open your role card, see you've drawn mafia and made a decision to shift your tone in this game. I tend to agree with that. I haven't ISO'd her voters so maybe I'll find some additional reasons there but feel free to talk to me here about the additional evidence.

Also, I'm not going to do many ISO's tonight because I process much better in the morning and I want to watch the Cleveland v. Pittsburg game. For those who don't know me, I tend to play early in the day and not as much as night.

[juliets]

EBWOP: that last sentence should say "and not as much at night."

[tutuu]

Everyone's reasons for scumreading me are bad. It would be pro-town if people started accepting that they can't read me and listen to the people who can. Nanook and Alison have the biggest accuracy in reading me considering the amount of games they have played with me (a lot). Listen to them instead of being wrong and misyeeting me (a town) game after game after game after game, please. Although the same people didn't necessarily misyeet me previously, from my experience this will be my 4th town game in a row where I get a tremendous amount of scumreads for absurd reasons despite me being obvious town.

Do you really think you should be obvious town now? Why? And why do you think so many people are doubting then?

I don't think the responsibility lies solely on everyone else here. I'm trying to read you, and I'm town. I'm still unsure. And I have never been wrong on you before, and in those other games you were obvious town to me almost from the get go.

Have you been regularly misyeeted lately? I've never seen that happen.

The responsibility on getting correct reads falls on the reader not on the readee. As long as the readee is trying their best, you cannot expect them to do miracles. It's their job to make good reads. If other people fail at reading the readee they have failed in their job.

I have been regularly misyeeted lately as I've already said.

[tutuu]

To be fair, I'm the one hounding tutuu, and that is an Alison strategy you've quoted.

What? You accused her of smearing you.

Yes, but her smears have been in response to my accusations. As in, she feels like an unwilling participant in this thunderdome.

Yea, this is ridiculous. You were the first one to scumread me. Because that's what you did. Only one of us can scumread the other one first. After this fact, I can't go back in time and make it so you didn't scumread me first. Human communication isn't simultaneous (both people talking at the same time), they take turns talking.

I don't understand, what are you calling ridiculous??

Your accusation boils down to "I scumread tutuu first and she scumread me second, therefore she is mafia". It is ridiculous to accuse me of not having a time machine and making it so that I scumread you first.

[tutuu]

@tutuu, what do you think of Guillotine?

My opinion on him has not changed as he has barely posted since then.

[tutuu]

"I am town and if I wrongly scumread you it is your fault for being scummy and not mine" - is one of the shittiest things you can think or imply in a game of Mafia.

[Seanzie]

@tutuu, what do you think of Guillotine?

My opinion on him has not changed as he has barely posted since then.

Can you explain your opinion a bit more then? You originally scumread them, and I can only find one post where you reverse that to a townread, and the reason was simply that they pointed out that Dizzy asked you a question then kind of answered it himself. Is that all your townread is based on, or is there more? I think about 1/3 of Guillotines total posts have happened since then, so I don't know if you can say he barely posted since then.

[Seanzie]

"I am town and if I wrongly scumread you it is your fault for being scummy and not mine" - is one of the shittiest things you can think or imply in a game of Mafia.

I don't disagree with this, but I think it is a two-way street. "I am town and if you wrongly scumread me, it is your fault and not mine" is also not good. Mafia is a team effort, and reads are the responsibility of both people (the reader and the readee).

[tutuu]

tutuu
Long Con
Seanzie
Marmot

Epignosis
Guillotine
snowmelts
NANOOK

juliets
Dyslexicon
Made

TonyStarkPrime
MasterRadishes

[tutuu]

"I am town and if I wrongly scumread you it is your fault for being scummy and not mine" - is one of the shittiest things you can think or imply in a game of Mafia.

I don't disagree with this, but I think it is a two-way street. "I am town and if you wrongly scumread me, it is your fault and not mine" is also not good. Mafia is a team effort, and reads are the responsibility of both people (the reader and the readee).

It's a two-way street to the extent that the readee is at fault if they are afk, or trolling, or playing so poorly that they might as well be a wolf.

My reads might be so bad that I might as well be a wolf, sure, but I am not afk, I am not trolling, I have not ignored any questions and I believe I am the top poster and I have produced a lot of posts to read me off of.

It is ridiculous to accuse me of not making myself obvious to read.

[tutuu]

@tutuu, what do you think of Guillotine?

My opinion on him has not changed as he has barely posted since then.

Can you explain your opinion a bit more then? You originally scumread them, and I can only find one post where you reverse that to a townread, and the reason was simply that they pointed out that Dizzy asked you a question then kind of answered it himself. Is that all your townread is based on, or is there more? I think about 1/3 of Guillotines total posts have happened since then, so I don't know if you can say he barely posted since then.

I don't know how much posts he has had since then, if I have ignored them it's because I have decided they don't change anything. I am happy with my reason to townread him at that given time, and I am continuing to use said reason to townread him currently.

[Dyslexicon]

So I choose how to play a lot... granted I have found it hard to get rid of old habits completely, so my playstyles do not always look as different from each other as I think they will.

Interesting approach. We be who we be regardless though.

[tutuu]

So I iso'd Tutuu and half way through I caught myself reading all of her post in the voice of Mojo jojo.

Spoiler: show

In of itself that's not alignment indicative, but like in combo with her 180 tone shift from Shadows it's sus

2 mafia down, looking for the last one now.

"180 tonal shift from Shadow" is a blatant lie from Made.

I was town in that game and I was scumread for the exact same reasons I am being scumread here - "Tutuu is talking differently, she must be mafia". Because in that game I talked like how I talk this game.

Made was in that game, and he is using the wrong argument to wrongly scumread me.

If he is not mafia he is basically playing like a honorary mafia.

[tutuu]

@Marmot has been a witness of not one but two games where I was wrongly scumread for "hAvInG a DiFfErEnT tOnE" - Shadow and 8ball. The fact that despite this he is somehow scumreading me this game makes me think that my team does not deserve me this game.

[tutuu]

Nanook has been a witness of three games where I was town and wrongly scumread for having a different tone - Shadow, 8ball and the skyrim perc game. He said I'm town here. I invite my fellow members of the town to listen to someone who clearly is better at reading me than they are.

[Dyslexicon]

Hi guys. I told Seanzie yesterday that I would elaborate on my suspicions but I decided I will not. Reason is because I can't explain them with words, I just remember how the players felt as a whole after I interacted with them, so I'm gonna wait before providing solid reads that wolves can use to determine whether or not I'm a NK candidate.

That's pretty disappointing tbh. My opinion: This isn't just about you trying to figure things out on your own, it's about making everyone clearer on everyone else. If you are town, we need enough understanding between us to solve the game. I would be interested in anything you can communicate about your reads.

[Dyslexicon]

Hi, @juliets <3

[Dyslexicon]

So i've played games with everyone here (including Juliet ) besides Dyslexicon, Guillotine, Seanzie, and Snowmelts. Y'all from off world or just syndicats I've haven't met yet?

Either way- Hi! I'm Made. I play mafia on this site sometimes. My favorite color is purple, and I play the piano!

I've played here a lot. Originally from PerC. Have also played on MU a bit. Hi hi hi

Your style kind of remind me of me a bit. I also play the piano. I feel bad for the other colors if I pick a favorite, but purple is a great color.

I get the feeling you're mafia btw. =)

[Dyslexicon]

Idk depends on what Jules does

I think tutu is town I’ve said that

Why though for Tutu? You haven't said that.

I can come up with a dumb reason to town read Tutu which might even be legit. She was like "Alison and Nanook are the ones you should listen to", which is kind of an argh impatient argument I often want to use when people misread me. (Players who haven't played with me before do tend to misread me a lot, or in the case they are scum, for some reason like to push me a lot.) I also just like how active she is anyway. Still not interested in yeeting there btw (yeah I know my vote is there)

[Dyslexicon]

Nanook has been a witness of three games where I was town and wrongly scumread for having a different tone - Shadow, 8ball and the skyrim perc game. He said I'm town here. I invite my fellow members of the town to listen to someone who clearly is better at reading me than they are.

Exhibit A lol

[Dyslexicon]

Actually, that's techinally exhibit B. But it was funny.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Idk depends on what Jules does

I think tutu is town I’ve said that

Why though for Tutu? You haven't said that.

I can come up with a dumb reason to town read Tutu which might even be legit. She was like "Alison and Nanook are the ones you should listen to", which is kind of an argh impatient argument I often want to use when people misread me. (Players who haven't played with me before do tend to misread me a lot, or in the case they are scum, for some reason like to push me a lot.) I also just like how active she is anyway. Still not interested in yeeting there btw (yeah I know my vote is there)

As I told (seanzie maybe?) she’s been hitting her townie markers imo

I’ve seen her scum game, it was very good, I don’t think this is it so far

I’ll reassess d2 but thus far confident she’s town

[Dyslexicon]

You should play video maf with us on Saturday!

I can't imagine that I would ever be good at that!

I'll bring my hair! Would love to see you there! ^^

[Dyslexicon]

As I told (seanzie maybe?) she’s been hitting her townie markers imo

I’ve seen her scum game, it was very good, I don’t think this is it so far

I’ll reassess d2 but thus far confident she’s town

I mean, ok. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Basically I’m saying I have a generally good tutu read just trust me

[Dyslexicon]

The responsibility on getting correct reads falls on the reader not on the readee. As long as the readee is trying their best, you cannot expect them to do miracles. It's their job to make good reads. If other people fail at reading the readee they have failed in their job.

I have been regularly misyeeted lately as I've already said.

I think the responsibility falls on both/all. In general, responsibility for success falls on everyone on a team.
You didn't actually answer my questions, but I'm kind of over it anyway. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I didn't know you had been misyeeted. I've never seen it. I've only seen one style which is obv!town for you.

[Dyslexicon]

Basically I’m saying I have a generally good tutu read just trust me

I'm ok with that.