Bike [END]

[Master Radishes]

Oh hey I ended up as the flash wagon as always but didn't actually die.

This is new territory for me.

[Marmot]

Oh hey I ended up as the flash wagon as always but didn't actually die.

This is new territory for me.

I still can't get over what happened in Shadow Corridors while you weren't around.

[Master Radishes]

The great thing about Mafia that a lot of people forget is that it's a team game. We're not reliant on one person to solve it all.

My role on the team is the mosquito buzzing around the towncore's ears distracting them and challenging their ability to concentrate. It keeps the townies from being complacent. I take this role seriously.

[Master Radishes]

Oh hey I ended up as the flash wagon as always but didn't actually die.

This is new territory for me.

I still can't get over what happened in Shadow Corridors while you weren't around.

Please. Old hat for me. On my home forum I'm 8 hours time difference from everyone else, and have woken up many a time to find myself dead.

[Master Radishes]

I will note that I have no objections to the consensus townreads as far as I see them. Albeit I'm not in sync enough to know for sure how the game 'feels', I don't feel like anything's wrong.


(Of course the flip side of that is since there are strong townies working together, I have little motivation to push myself to do more, at least beyond making sure I can't be a mischop for the wolves.)

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Yeah, but it could be Radish too? Why not keep the vote on Guillo if you’re Made and you already decided to bus Guillo earlier? Why switch off the last second to try and make a wagon on Radish if Radish is town and Guillo is scum, when it didn’t look particularly likely Radish was going to get yeeted anyway? It doesn’t make sense. Unless they are literally all the scum team lol

I think it looks worse for Radish than for Guillo the more I think about it.

I’ll answer your question with another question

If made and guillo are both mafia which would you prefer survive D1?

Wouldn’t care much, personally. Both.

Why is this a relevant question?

I think guillo would be a lot preferable to made in most teams, if one of them has to die guillo probably has a better chance of being in it for the long haul


How is this not a relevant question when we’re considering why made would switch to radishes

[Marmot]

The great thing about Mafia that a lot of people forget is that it's a team game. We're not reliant on one person to solve it all.

My role on the team is the mosquito buzzing around the towncore's ears distracting them and challenging their ability to concentrate. It keeps the townies from being complacent. I take this role seriously.

Confirmed, we are the same person.

[Dyslexicon]

Yeah, but it could be Radish too? Why not keep the vote on Guillo if you’re Made and you already decided to bus Guillo earlier? Why switch off the last second to try and make a wagon on Radish if Radish is town and Guillo is scum, when it didn’t look particularly likely Radish was going to get yeeted anyway? It doesn’t make sense. Unless they are literally all the scum team lol

I think it looks worse for Radish than for Guillo the more I think about it.

I’ll answer your question with another question

If made and guillo are both mafia which would you prefer survive D1?

Wouldn’t care much, personally. Both.

Why is this a relevant question?

I think guillo would be a lot preferable to made in most teams, if one of them has to die guillo probably has a better chance of being in it for the long haul


How is this not a relevant question when we’re considering why made would switch to radishes

Are you suggesting Made switched to make themselves get yeeted over Guillo? If so, I’m not buying it at all. Madectried to survive by accounts of their last ditch effort.

Also, Made and Guillo haven’t played with each other. I don’t see why they would have a preference of one over the other at all. It just makes more sense that if it’s Made/Guillo with Radish as town, then it would be much more likely that Made would just keep their vote on Guillo to set up his team for success than do a switch to Radish.

I stand by my analysis that if Guillo is scum, it’s with exactly Radish. Radish could be scum without Guillo.

But I take it you disagree? Though I’m not clear on how your analysis go.

[Dyslexicon]

The great thing about Mafia that a lot of people forget is that it's a team game. We're not reliant on one person to solve it all.

My role on the team is the mosquito buzzing around the towncore's ears distracting them and challenging their ability to concentrate. It keeps the townies from being complacent. I take this role seriously.

No.

[Master Radishes]

The great thing about Mafia that a lot of people forget is that it's a team game. We're not reliant on one person to solve it all.

My role on the team is the mosquito buzzing around the towncore's ears distracting them and challenging their ability to concentrate. It keeps the townies from being complacent. I take this role seriously.

No.

Bbbzzzzzzzzzzzz

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Yeah, but it could be Radish too? Why not keep the vote on Guillo if you’re Made and you already decided to bus Guillo earlier? Why switch off the last second to try and make a wagon on Radish if Radish is town and Guillo is scum, when it didn’t look particularly likely Radish was going to get yeeted anyway? It doesn’t make sense. Unless they are literally all the scum team lol

I think it looks worse for Radish than for Guillo the more I think about it.

I’ll answer your question with another question

If made and guillo are both mafia which would you prefer survive D1?

Wouldn’t care much, personally. Both.

Why is this a relevant question?

I think guillo would be a lot preferable to made in most teams, if one of them has to die guillo probably has a better chance of being in it for the long haul


How is this not a relevant question when we’re considering why made would switch to radishes

Are you suggesting Made switched to make themselves get yeeted over Guillo? If so, I’m not buying it at all. Madectried to survive by accounts of their last ditch effort.

Also, Made and Guillo haven’t played with each other. I don’t see why they would have a preference of one over the other at all. It just makes more sense that if it’s Made/Guillo with Radish as town, then it would be much more likely that Made would just keep their vote on Guillo to set up his team for success than do a switch to Radish.

I stand by my analysis that if Guillo is scum, it’s with exactly Radish. Radish could be scum without Guillo.

But I take it you disagree? Though I’m not clear on how your analysis go.

I mean, just look at the thread state and tell me scumMade had a better chance to go deep than scumGuillo. I think it was probably fairly clear that made was not going to make it to endgame in a way that can’t be said about guillo.

So yeah, if made and guillo are both mafia and are the two leading wagons (they were at 6-5 pretty late in the day I believe, correct me if I’m wrong), I think it makes perfect sense they’d try to push off of guillo. What’s the downside, assuming radish is town? Either made dies and guillo survives, an outcome I think is objectively better for most scum teams, or radishes dies and they tie up another day.


I don’t think there are many worlds where scumGuillo and scumMade are both up and push onto scumRadishes, fwiw.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

In a world they’re both scum, made didn’t switch to make sure he died, he switched to make sure guillo didn’t die

[tutuu]

Radish is just mafia.

[Master Radishes]

Radish is just mafia.

Am not.

[Hally]

tony have you explained why nook is “hmm” to you?

nanook feels like he is relaxing in the lazy river, content to flow through the game, checking off boxes as he will. this is not towny.

but

the epi read is

good

how is this different from what he’s normally like iyo?

[Hally]

Yeah, but it could be Radish too? Why not keep the vote on Guillo if you’re Made and you already decided to bus Guillo earlier? Why switch off the last second to try and make a wagon on Radish if Radish is town and Guillo is scum, when it didn’t look particularly likely Radish was going to get yeeted anyway? It doesn’t make sense. Unless they are literally all the scum team lol

I think it looks worse for Radish than for Guillo the more I think about it.

i don’t know how unlikely it was that radishes would go over. my vote was parked on him and tony’s was too. and then i think marmot switched. then sean and made went. so it could have been 5-5. but then as they were doing that i brought the hammer down on made after previously not being itt. i doubt scum saw that coming/thought i would move my vote before EoD. so i don’t know, from their perspective maybe radishes was actually viable once marmot switched. i need to go back and look at it all

[Hally]

Yeah, but it could be Radish too? Why not keep the vote on Guillo if you’re Made and you already decided to bus Guillo earlier? Why switch off the last second to try and make a wagon on Radish if Radish is town and Guillo is scum, when it didn’t look particularly likely Radish was going to get yeeted anyway? It doesn’t make sense. Unless they are literally all the scum team lol

I think it looks worse for Radish than for Guillo the more I think about it.

I’ll answer your question with another question

If made and guillo are both mafia which would you prefer survive D1?

depends on if both are goons or guillo is a wolf pr

[Hally]

Didn’t I have an inkling of a Radish/Guillo connection earlier? I don’t know how valid this is, but it would be hilarious if that was the team.

I’d place Guillo over Radish though, based on Made’s switch off of Guillo. If Made is about to go down and has a bus vote on Guillo, it makes sense to just keep it to set up his teammate for success, or alternatively gain cred if Guillo gains more votes. Jumping off to a lesser town wagon makes much less sense imo, especially when Made in this scenario would’ve already made the conscious decision to place a bus vote on Guillo.

So Guillo is only scum if it’s with Radish, is my conclusion off of this. Thoughts?

it depends on if made actually thought he had the votes to get radishes chopped

[tutuu]

Radish is just mafia.

Am not.

You are playing towards the mafia win condition.

[Dyslexicon]

it depends on if made actually thought he had the votes to get radishes chopped

True. Would be good to have an overview over how votes went down near EoD. I don’t have that all in my head.

[Dyslexicon]

The great thing about Mafia that a lot of people forget is that it's a team game. We're not reliant on one person to solve it all.

My role on the team is the mosquito buzzing around the towncore's ears distracting them and challenging their ability to concentrate. It keeps the townies from being complacent. I take this role seriously.

No.

Bbbzzzzzzzzzzzz

This stopped being funny a while ago. You are mafia siding right now. As you say, this is a team game, and we need everyone on a team to work towards our wincon. You’re a great town player and I don’t see why you would demonstratively troll and contribute so little if you are town. We have a scum down. This game is solveable. It just looks like you are mafia and over it.

All I wish is that if you’re town, you put some effort into this game on town’s behalf, because you’re good at it. I’m not seeing that, so chances of you being mafia skyrockets for me.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Yeah, but it could be Radish too? Why not keep the vote on Guillo if you’re Made and you already decided to bus Guillo earlier? Why switch off the last second to try and make a wagon on Radish if Radish is town and Guillo is scum, when it didn’t look particularly likely Radish was going to get yeeted anyway? It doesn’t make sense. Unless they are literally all the scum team lol

I think it looks worse for Radish than for Guillo the more I think about it.

I’ll answer your question with another question

If made and guillo are both mafia which would you prefer survive D1?

depends on if both are goons or guillo is a wolf pr

I don’t think it depends on that at all lol

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Radishes is pretty busy irl I don’t think his active participation level is particularly AI

[Hally]

taking a look at EoD again

Probably won't be around for EoD, so gonna vote Guillo to make it interesting.

[VOTE: Guillotine] aubergine

Made's scummier. I just like D1 rands if we can get 'em.

Spoiler: show

I'd move my vote here if you're down @Marmot

made directly pings marmot to ask him to vote radishes with him

But what are you thoughts on the Guillotine wagon?

then immediately after tries to shift attention back to guillo

Probably won't be around for EoD, so gonna vote Guillo to make it interesting.

[VOTE: Guillotine] aubergine

Made's scummier. I just like D1 rands if we can get 'em.

Spoiler: show

I'd move my vote here if you're down @Marmot

Ooooh, that's spicy!

I'll think about it, but if this day quitely winds down the way it's looking to, it won't matter.

marmot seems open to voting radishes. can this be w/w with made? it seems a bit brazen because it would mean they’re openly plotting in the thread almost, but i guess not impossible

Pretty quiet for EoD...

sean is uncomfortable

But what are you thoughts on the Guillotine wagon?

Guillo hasn't really stuck out to me one way or the other. But I think I have a tendency to focus on a couple or a few players and ignore everyone else. Guillo's in my everyone else category.

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I am a bit worried. If there are three wolves, I can't imagine they are all on one wagon trying to save their scummate right now. Unless if both Guillotine and Made are wolves, I feel like there would be more activity trying to move wagons around. Made did try to move votes onto MR, which is interesting, but other than that, the quiet is creeping me out.

another post

I wish I was one of the votes for Made right now so I could unvote and create tension to see what happens. I hate how quiet it is. Is this a usual EoD here?

i feel this is unlikely to come from a wolf in this spot

I wish I was one of the votes for Made right now so I could unvote and create tension to see what happens. I hate how quiet it is. Is this a usual EoD here?

Quite the opposite, I'm a little concerned it's going to be miss because of it.

marmot sort of bolsters/latches onto sean’s discomfort

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

There's your spiciness sean.

and then he follows through and votes radishes to make it

guillo - 5 (nook, lc, sean, radishes, made)
made - 5 (dizzy, tutuu, jules, epi, guill)
radishes - 3 (tony, me, marmot)

i don’t really see what this accomplishes if marmot is a wolf. his switch off made hasn’t put made out of danger. made is still tied for the lead

also, both people who have expressed interest in voting elsewhere (sean and made) are voting guillo, so any shift in votes will go guillo -> radishes not made -> radishes. and all that will do is make radishes made’s counterwagon instead of guillo, which w!marmot shouldn’t care about unless the team is exactly made/marmot/guillo and radishes is town. but in that world, why doesn’t marmot just stay voting made so when made flips marmot gets cred?

I wish I was one of the votes for Made right now so I could unvote and create tension to see what happens. I hate how quiet it is. Is this a usual EoD here?

Quite the opposite, I'm a little concerned it's going to be miss because of it.

Yeah, this feels off. I feel like Made/Guillotine are either S/S or T/T based on the quiet, and I am having doubts about S/S...

another post

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

There's your spiciness sean.

Thanks, lets see what happens!

i find it unlikely this is w/w between sean and marmot

hi, just woke up and caught up real quick

i honestly have not really retained why made and guillo are wagons. actually i probably haven’t retained most stuff so far this game. but anyway, i’m voting made because iirc guillo had posts that i liked. also tutuu and dizzy are on made and i wanna vote with them

[VOTE: made] aubergine

so then i pop in not knowing marmot has just switched to radishy and i vote made. this makes it

guillo - 5 (nook, lc, sean, radishes, made)
made - 6 (dizzy, tutuu, jules, epi, guill, me)
radishes - 2 (tony, marmot)

If it's a tie, it's randomized.

I'd prefer not to have the chop result be randomized, so I'll switch back if it remains like this.

then marmot says he’ll switch back to made if it looks like it will be a tie

[VOTE: Master Radish] aubergine I don't like how quiet the thread is leading up to a Made or Guillotine lunch...

[VOTE: Mr Radishes] aubergine

then both sean and made switch. this makes it

guillo - 3 (nook, lc, radishes)
made - 6 (dizzy, tutuu, jules, epi, guill, me)
radishes - 4 (tony, marmot, sean, made)

i find it unlikely made and sean would be w/w off of this. it’s too open wolfy for made and sean to vote radishes one after the other like this as w/w. it’s a lot of exposure just to save a goon

also again, this move doesn’t put made out of danger. it just makes radishes the counterwagon over guillo, but made is still in the lead comfortably. even if i switched back to radishy, which from an outsider’s pov i think was reasonably likely, all that would do is tie it. so this doesn’t really do much

also, if i had switched back to tie it, marmot had already expressed he would switch back to made to avoid a rand. so it doesn’t really seem like radishes was in danger of going over unless i switched back at the last second and didn’t give marmot a chance to switch in time

i don’t know if i want to chop radishes anymore D1, because there’s a chance i can find him as town once he starts posting for real. but it will be pretty annoying if he’s a wolf and i caught him D1 then let him get away. it’s fine though, i dunno

then i say i don’t really want to chop radishes anymore. from an outsider’s pov i could still have switched back on a whim though. i mean, wolves don’t know for sure what i’ll do

but the thing is, even if made is w/w with radishes he can’t switch off radishes regardless. when he voted radishes that close to EoD and made radishes his counterwagon he committed to the bus. in the world they’re both wolves, he cannot unvote radishes a minute before he’s about to flip unless he wants to sink radishes too

so it’s really up to me on whether it’s a tie, and i clearly expressed i didn’t really want to go back to radishy. so i think it’s reasonable for made to assume here that he’s going over and not radishes. but before i made this post, i think i easily could have switched back to radishy and made marmot the decider, and he presumably shifts back to made. so it would still be made going over. so yeah, i dunno. it seems unlikely made would think he was ever not going to be the chop over radishes or guillo

[Hally]

it depends on if made actually thought he had the votes to get radishes chopped

True. Would be good to have an overview over how votes went down near EoD. I don’t have that all in my head.

just mapped it out. lmk your thoughts

[Hally]

Yeah, but it could be Radish too? Why not keep the vote on Guillo if you’re Made and you already decided to bus Guillo earlier? Why switch off the last second to try and make a wagon on Radish if Radish is town and Guillo is scum, when it didn’t look particularly likely Radish was going to get yeeted anyway? It doesn’t make sense. Unless they are literally all the scum team lol

I think it looks worse for Radish than for Guillo the more I think about it.

I’ll answer your question with another question

If made and guillo are both mafia which would you prefer survive D1?

depends on if both are goons or guillo is a wolf pr

I don’t think it depends on that at all lol

well yea, not entirely. but if guill is a wolf pr you always want made to go over guillo. even if both are goons though, i do agree with your assessment that guillo had more late game equity than made

[Hally]

Radishes is pretty busy irl I don’t think his active participation level is particularly AI

i disagree. i just played a game with him on MU where we were both town and he was more involved than this. and that was a bigger, more active game than this one i think. also i think he’s off from teaching right now? but anyway, i think he could be more engaged here if he wanted to

[Hally]

yea, the MU game was a 15er with 500 more posts D1 than this one and radishy still managed 60 posts, more involvement and a scum case on someone. i don’t really believe he can’t be any more engaged than he has been here. i think he just doesn’t want to be

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I don’t think you can compare a game on mu to a game on here tbh

[Hally]

granted, he was mostly trolling for the first part of D1 that game. but he definitely picked it up and started doing stuff by EoD. that D1 was 72 hours and it took place over christmas, so i don’t think he would be more busy now than he was at christmas time. but i don’t know his life really

[Hally]

I don’t think you can compare a game on mu to a game on here tbh

why not?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I don’t think you can compare a game on mu to a game on here tbh

why not?

Much different environments and expectations ime

[Dyslexicon]

Thanks, Hally. I’ll have to look over it later.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

It’s also easier to phone post on mu than here tbh, tho I’m not sure how much if at all that effects radish

[Hally]

i don’t know, i don’t really think how busy he is seems like a very relevant question here. it seems pretty clear to me that he simply doesn’t want to do things right now with whatever time he has to play and would rather troll instead. that’s a conscious choice he’s making. and i don’t think it’s because he’s busy

[Hally]

I don’t think you can compare a game on mu to a game on here tbh

why not?

Much different environments and expectations ime

yeah, fair

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Regardless if made and radishes are partners that last minute push towards radishes makes ZERO sense to me

Mayyyyybe if guillo is the third scum but like

Even then they had to have a better option I think

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

So I’m just keeping radishes clear for today, I’ll reassess after a guillo flip if necessary but I honestly just think he’s town regardless at this point

[Hally]

i feel i should think that radishes’ trolling is more likely to come from his town game, because generally that’s true ime. but something about his trolling this game feels different to me. usually when he trolls it’s for his own amusement and then he kind of pulls back if others are bothered by it i think. but here i don’t feel like he finds his own trolling amusing? because it’s not really playful, it’s just him being all “i’m not doing anything.” and he’s doubling down on it in a way that seems like he almost wants to spite us or is just over the game or something. i don’t really know. i just feel something about his energy is not the same, but i could be crazy

[Hally]

this is definitely closer to how he generally is as town than his scum game, but it almost feels like a poor imitation, as though something is missing that gives him that radishy pizzaz he usually has

i dunno really

[Hally]

i think ultimately where i land on radishes is he will have to start posting better or we’ll have to chop him at some point. that’s pretty much it. if he’s town i trust him to get into the game and clear himself eventually so i’m not gonna focus on him. he will do what he wants when he wants to and if he doesn’t or we don’t like what he does we’ll just vote him out and that will be that

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

He could not post again except to call votes between now and f3 and I don’t think I’d kill him

[Hally]

i kind of just want to get tony next day, but i also think it’s not impossible he’s town here and i’m just failing to read him accurately. because my read on him is not really reliable generally. but i don’t know who else i would vote over him, is the thing

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I’d vote for a couple people over Tony probably

[Hally]

radishes
tony
guillo
lc

these are really the only people i can readily see being wolves here. i guess if there’s a deeper wolf it would be marmot maybe? but i think that he would only make sense in specific worlds. i kind of just think everyone else is town

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

At least two

[Hally]

I’d vote for a couple people over Tony probably

remind me who again?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I’d vote for a couple people over Tony probably

remind me who again?

Guillo and maybe LC

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Maybe seanzie idk

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I can throw these names out cause there’s no way i get NKed even if I’m right lol