Bike [END]

[Long Con]

Still having trouble posting, 9 times out of 10 it goes to a fail screen. Still plenty of time left in the day, I am picking this up tomorrow.

[Seanzie]

Why was he not civilian in your eyes?

Made did nothing to make me believe otherwise.

I mean, this may or may not be true, but it is hard to judge if you are town or not based off responses like this. Were there specific things you were looking for? Did Made do ANYTHING towny that you noticed? Did Made to ANYTHING scummy that you noticed? Is there any reason to believe that your vote was not TMI?

I don't care what's hard to judge or not hard to judge. I don't answer on the basis of how easy it is to judge something. I answered the question.

I already said I voted Made and fucked off to bed. I didn't think much about it.

When I came back, Made was the big consensus. It worked out. I'll take the dub however I get it.

When did you come back to the thread D1?

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

[Hally]

he said he popped in before the deadline to see if he was still happy with his vote but he didn’t post since he was fine with it

[Seanzie]

he said he popped in before the deadline to see if he was still happy with his vote but he didn’t post since he was fine with it

Do you think it is weird that he didn't post at all when he checked in? I'd still like to hear from him about approximately when he checked in.

[Hally]

i dunno what to do rn

i lost a bit of interest in the game with the nook shot because he was already not in my poe, so his flip doesn’t make me re-evaluate anything from where i was N1

[Hally]

he said he popped in before the deadline to see if he was still happy with his vote but he didn’t post since he was fine with it

Do you think it is weird that he didn't post at all when he checked in? I'd still like to hear from him about approximately when he checked in.

i don’t think it’s weird if he was happy with his vote where it was. it’s either true or it’s not and there’s not really any way to know, but it wouldn’t be weird to me if it is

[Seanzie]

he said he popped in before the deadline to see if he was still happy with his vote but he didn’t post since he was fine with it

Do you think it is weird that he didn't post at all when he checked in? I'd still like to hear from him about approximately when he checked in.

i don’t think it’s weird if he was happy with his vote where it was. it’s either true or it’s not and there’s not really any way to know, but it wouldn’t be weird to me if it is

Hmm... Okay. Thanks for the perspective.

[Seanzie]

There are a couple other little things that bug me about Epi though, and I'd like to hear more from him to help me resolve these things. I'd still like to hear from him about the two things I've asked.

[MartinGG99]

Okay so I'm finally here

sorry for the delay everyone; I may not be as active as I usually am at times but I'll be here for quite a few hours today at least, though I'm not entirely sure what tomorrow looks like for me as I am in multiple games right now.

[MartinGG99]

I also haven't been reading the thread so I have absolutely no clue as to what has happened in the last 36 pages other than my replacement into the game and @tutuu making a wrong vote

[MartinGG99]

I apparently got some interesting feedback last night but I don't think it has any utility to say it right now (heck it might not be useful in the future except maybe confirm someone) so I'll save it for later

[MartinGG99]

I've been reading a bit into the mech stuff happening so far, and I have a question:

How come two of the top wagons for today (well, I say "top" but they only have two votes...) are both people who voted Made on D1?

Is it believed that he was hard bussed on d1?

And why is my slot being voted by completely different people as compared to yesterday?

[MartinGG99]

And why is my slot being voted by completely different people as compared to D1?

ebwop

[Hally]

I also haven't been reading the thread so I have absolutely no clue as to what has happened in the last 36 pages other than my replacement into the game and @tutuu making a wrong vote

may as well say it now since you said this

you’re claiming pr?

[tutuu]

I apparently got some interesting feedback last night but I don't think it has any utility to say it right now (heck it might not be useful in the future except maybe confirm someone) so I'll save it for later

in the sign up thread it says that there is a "mechanical intrigue" so be wary of mafia messing with the feedback if ur town

[MartinGG99]

I also haven't been reading the thread so I have absolutely no clue as to what has happened in the last 36 pages other than my replacement into the game and @tutuu making a wrong vote

may as well say it now since you said this

you’re claiming pr?

Im sorry but what?

If I were PR then I would have information that could confirm me, not someone else!

[tutuu]

spill the beans buddy

[Seanzie]

I also haven't been reading the thread so I have absolutely no clue as to what has happened in the last 36 pages other than my replacement into the game and @tutuu making a wrong vote

may as well say it now since you said this

you’re claiming pr?

Can you clue me in on how this screams PR?

[MartinGG99]

Like that kinda confuses me

I'm come into the thread about how I replaced in and I had some feedback

and the first question I get is "are you claiming pr"

I wasn't expecting that tbh

[Seanzie]

Like that kinda confuses me

I'm come into the thread about how I replaced in and I had some feedback

and the first question I get is "are you claiming pr"

I wasn't expecting that tbh

What were you expecting?

[MartinGG99]

spill the beans buddy

idk how many beans I got tho

in the meantime could you talk about this and why its currently not bothersome that (Idk who) other people aren't voting me yet?

You guys are bringing good arguments for why Guillo could be scum.

I only have 2 vote son me and they're the top posters

but apparently people other than you guys had a say in this

[MartinGG99]

Like that kinda confuses me

I'm come into the thread about how I replaced in and I had some feedback

and the first question I get is "are you claiming pr"

I wasn't expecting that tbh

What were you expecting?

Idk.

Maybe something that would be actually AI?

[MartinGG99]

like this is a closed setup IIRC

asking whether im a PR or not can be one of the most pointless things imo

because the amount of claims as to whether they're vanilla or not could be fake depending on the circumstances or nuances

[MartinGG99]

There's also this apparently

Note:

Characters are randomly assigned to alignments: any character can be a civilian or a mafioso (there are no independents). However, characters are not randomly assigned to roles. Any character with which a non-vanilla role is associated has been given an innocuous fake character claim.

Also, I'm going to be a tad late (maybe 10 minutes). Bear with me.

I mean, why not ask for what character I am?

Maybe Gulio claimed a character before and I'm not aware of it?

Y'know, like a GOTCHA moment?

[MartinGG99]

I mean, If you're going to ask if I am a PR

[MartinGG99]

I would like to echo this btw

spill the beans buddy

idk how many beans I got tho

in the meantime could you talk about this and why its currently not bothersome that (Idk who) other people aren't voting me yet?

You guys are bringing good arguments for why Guillo could be scum.

I only have 2 vote son me and they're the top posters

but apparently people other than you guys had a say in this

[Hally]

I apparently got some interesting feedback last night but I don't think it has any utility to say it right now (heck it might not be useful in the future except maybe confirm someone) so I'll save it for later

oh i meant to quote this

this clearly seems like a claim of some sort to me

[Hally]

martin, you claimed you got feedback last night. i take that to mean you’re claiming some investigative role or something. i’m asking you to claim what your role is and what feedback you got. i don’t really understand what you don’t understand

[MartinGG99]

I apparently got some interesting feedback last night but I don't think it has any utility to say it right now (heck it might not be useful in the future except maybe confirm someone) so I'll save it for later

oh i meant to quote this

this clearly seems like a claim of some sort to me

Yeah its a claim that I got feedback, and that I'm saving to say what that feedback was until later.

I also make it clear that feedback wasn't caused by me in the parentheses. If I were, say, a role-cop and I found out someone's role, that would confirm both me and them. But that isn't what happened, unless I was for example, a role-cop who got role-blocked with fancy feedback and thus I know someone caused that but have no means of confirming myself as a result of that feedback.

Yes, I'm not a role-cop, but there are also other possibilities from your perspective.

I don't think its a worthwhile train of thought or questioning though given that I think its going to be quite NAI or if it is somehow AI it's going to be a very weak AI.

[Hally]

the reason i ask is because you’re in the poe so if you have anything you can share that would help us clear you or anyone else it would be good to just get it out there since you’ve already claimed that

if you have a good role and we can force mafia to have to nk you that would be great

[Hally]

I apparently got some interesting feedback last night but I don't think it has any utility to say it right now (heck it might not be useful in the future except maybe confirm someone) so I'll save it for later

oh i meant to quote this

this clearly seems like a claim of some sort to me

Yeah its a claim that I got feedback, and that I'm saving to say what that feedback was until later.

I also make it clear that feedback wasn't caused by me in the parentheses. If I were, say, a role-cop and I found out someone's role, that would confirm both me and them. But that isn't what happened, unless I was for example, a role-cop who got role-blocked with fancy feedback and thus I know someone caused that but have no means of confirming myself as a result of that feedback.

Yes, I'm not a role-cop, but there are also other possibilities from your perspective.

I don't think its a worthwhile train of thought or questioning though given that I think its going to be quite NAI or if it is somehow AI it's going to be a very weak AI.

what is the point of being coy about it now that you’ve said this? it’s better to just be transparent

[MartinGG99]

martin, you claimed you got feedback last night. i take that to mean you’re claiming some investigative role or something. i’m asking you to claim what your role is and what feedback you got. i don’t really understand what you don’t understand

I'm saving from mentioning the feedback for later.

It'll add genuineness to whoever claims it in the future by describing what it was and I confirm it.

While that won't give them a whole lot of town points, but it says they're more likely to be saying the truth IMO.

[Hally]

are you claiming voyeur or something?

[MartinGG99]

what is the point of being coy about it now that you’ve said this? it’s better to just be transparent

The point is to use what I have to the best of my abilities.

Sharing it with recklessness is pointless to me right now as its a closed setup and for all I know could help wolves fake-claim it in the future if they want to if I were to share it.

Personally, though, the feedback makes me strongly think that unless its an ability with a hidden affect

That role is 8 times out of 10 likely meant to be a role that can help itself get confirmed by the town; it doesn't seem to have any negative utility in my perspective. Even more so, I was one of the top wagons on D1, meaning that I probably wasn't targeted by wolves.

[MartinGG99]

I seriously don't get why this is so bad and such a big issue to you

like wth

[MartinGG99]

just let me prove myself as town THROUGH SOME NON-NAI WAY

thank you

[MartinGG99]

just let me prove myself as town THROUGH SOME NON-NAI WAY

thank you

I mean this in the vaguest sense of the word "prove"

btw

[MartinGG99]

or broadest

[Hally]

I seriously don't get why this is so bad and such a big issue to you

like wth

i don’t know why you think it’s a big issue to me

[Hally]

i just think it’s better to be transparent since you’re in the poe. but if you don’t want to you don’t want to. i’m not going to lose sleep over it

[Hally]

guillo was acting pretty pr-ish though so the claim tracks with that

[MartinGG99]

I seriously don't get why this is so bad and such a big issue to you

like wth

i don’t know why you think it’s a big issue to me

I replace a person that you suspect

you then vote that person

then I came into the thread and you ask me 1 question and related questions

How am I supposed to see this as not a big issue???

[Hally]

I seriously don't get why this is so bad and such a big issue to you

like wth

i don’t know why you think it’s a big issue to me

I replace a person that you suspect

you then vote that person

then I came into the thread and you ask me 1 question and related questions

How am I supposed to see this as not a big issue???

i don’t understand why you perceive me asking you questions as a big issue. this is a mafia game. that’s what people do

[MartinGG99]

I seriously don't get why this is so bad and such a big issue to you

like wth

i don’t know why you think it’s a big issue to me

I replace a person that you suspect

you then vote that person

then I came into the thread and you ask me 1 question and related questions

How am I supposed to see this as not a big issue???

i don’t understand why you perceive me asking you questions as a big issue. this is a mafia game. that’s what people do

That's exactly my point tho?

I mean, I'm a scum-read of yours. Hence, I am a big issue for you.

Thus, it can be conjectured that whatever interactions you take with me must be in the interest of either pursuing your scum-read or to ensure I'm not town?

[Hally]

sort of? you’re of interest to me, but i wouldn’t say you’re a “big issue”

but we’re just getting hung up on words. this isn’t important to me

[Hally]

i don’t really know what to do with martin’s claim

[MartinGG99]

Assuming I'm not overthinking though I've read a fair bit of Tutuu and Hally's ISOs and I think based off the interactions (or lack thereof) here they're both likely to be town.

Tutuu I could be slightly skeptical of but a she's said multiple times that she's been wrong scum-read before and I think my reasons for scum-reading her are potentially bad as she could do them as either alignment.

Hally seems okay nothing bad there, though I haven't seen a scum-game of theirs. Regardless, I'm giving the benefit of the doubt. She was more interested in the semantics rather than her explaining herself when I kept mentioning the issue.

[MartinGG99]

I'm curious as to why Dizzy got night-killed instead one of the top-posters though.

That looks weird to me, though I haven't read their ISO.

Nanook I happen to come across that he was apparently vigged by Tony?

[Hally]

Assuming I'm not overthinking though I've read a fair bit of Tutuu and Hally's ISOs and I think based off the interactions (or lack thereof) here they're both likely to be town.

Tutuu I could be slightly skeptical of but a she's said multiple times that she's been wrong scum-read before and I think my reasons for scum-reading her are potentially bad as she could do them as either alignment.

Hally seems okay nothing bad there, though I haven't seen a scum-game of theirs. Regardless, I'm giving the benefit of the doubt. She was more interested in the semantics rather than her explaining herself when I kept mentioning the issue.

what are your reasons for scum reading tutuu?

and re: the last sentence about me - can you elaborate on why that’s villagery iyo?