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[Hally]

I'm curious as to why Dizzy got night-killed instead one of the top-posters though.

That looks weird to me, though I haven't read their ISO.

Nanook I happen to come across that he was apparently vigged by Tony?

dizzy was one of the main pushers of made, the flipped wolf

[MartinGG99]

Assuming I'm not overthinking though I've read a fair bit of Tutuu and Hally's ISOs and I think based off the interactions (or lack thereof) here they're both likely to be town.

Tutuu I could be slightly skeptical of but a she's said multiple times that she's been wrong scum-read before and I think my reasons for scum-reading her are potentially bad as she could do them as either alignment.

Hally seems okay nothing bad there, though I haven't seen a scum-game of theirs. Regardless, I'm giving the benefit of the doubt. She was more interested in the semantics rather than her explaining herself when I kept mentioning the issue.

what are your reasons for scum reading tutuu?

and re: the last sentence about me - can you elaborate on why that’s villagery iyo?

1. Mostly because of bad reads in terms of who has flipped so far and the role-card that I got.

2. No explicit evidence of self-consciousness. You could be experienced and capable of faking that, but I'm giving the benefit of the doubt. I also think wolves can, in some cases, feel more threatened by replacements as they can come in the thread with completely new or fresh thoughts.

[MartinGG99]

I would rather not spend too much more time on you guys though since overthinking was clearly a problem of mine since I realized that in the Grasslands game.

[tutuu]

1. Mostly because of bad reads in terms of who has flipped so far and the role-card that I got.

i had made as mafia, dizzy as town, nanook in the middle of my poe. ??

[Hally]

1. Mostly because of bad reads in terms of who has flipped so far and the role-card that I got.

go on...

[tutuu]

middle of the list

[Hally]

martin if you didn’t want to answer questions about your role i’m not sure why you brought it up. do you not think people will be curious if you keep bringing it up? what are you expecting?

[MartinGG99]

1. Mostly because of bad reads in terms of who has flipped so far and the role-card that I got.

go on...

And the point that I brought up earlier before that, of which Tutuu didn't answer?

Look if you're expecting some detailed scum-reads from me initially then you have some high expectations

I will go with where my gut and some thoughts are leading me right now and see what conclusions I come up with laters

right now there is little point in sharing absolutely all my thoughts with the thread right now since I think at the very least they could be confusing and/or not very well developed since I am new to this thread

[MartinGG99]

martin if you didn’t want to answer questions about your role i’m not sure why you brought it up. do you not think people will be curious if you keep bringing it up? what are you expecting?

what the hell

I never brought up anything about my role in this quote

I apparently got some interesting feedback last night but I don't think it has any utility to say it right now (heck it might not be useful in the future except maybe confirm someone) so I'll save it for later

you did right here:

I also haven't been reading the thread so I have absolutely no clue as to what has happened in the last 36 pages other than my replacement into the game and @tutuu making a wrong vote

may as well say it now since you said this

you’re claiming pr?

[Hally]

1. Mostly because of bad reads in terms of who has flipped so far and the role-card that I got.

go on...

And the point that I brought up earlier before that, of which Tutuu didn't answer?

Look if you're expecting some detailed scum-reads from me initially then you have some high expectations

I will go with where my gut and some thoughts are leading me right now and see what conclusions I come up with laters

right now there is little point in sharing absolutely all my thoughts with the thread right now since I think at the very least they could be confusing and/or not very well developed since I am new to this thread

i disagree. i think it’s valuable for you to share your thoughts no matter how undeveloped or confusing they might be. it’s not as though you can’t change your mind later and anything that will help us read you has a point

[MartinGG99]

I never said anything about my role at all until you brought it up and interpreted it as it being my pr

I've been saying / trying to say that quote by me wasn't about my role at all.

[Hally]

martin if you didn’t want to answer questions about your role i’m not sure why you brought it up. do you not think people will be curious if you keep bringing it up? what are you expecting?

what the hell

I never brought up anything about my role in this quote

I apparently got some interesting feedback last night but I don't think it has any utility to say it right now (heck it might not be useful in the future except maybe confirm someone) so I'll save it for later

you did right here:

I also haven't been reading the thread so I have absolutely no clue as to what has happened in the last 36 pages other than my replacement into the game and @tutuu making a wrong vote

may as well say it now since you said this

you’re claiming pr?

how is you claiming you got “interesting feedback” not related to your role? idgi

[Hally]

I never said anything about my role at all until you brought it up and interpreted it as it being my pr

I've been saying / trying to say that quote by me wasn't about my role at all.

what other sources could you possibly receive feedback from?

[MartinGG99]

i disagree. i think it’s valuable for you to share your thoughts no matter how undeveloped or confusing they might be. it’s not as though you can’t change your mind later and anything that will help us read you has a point

well if you want to know I'm looking at Epi (who voted a mafia) right now and as of the moment I'm leaning him town

Eventually I'm going to get to the point of where he departs from the ideas of Tutuu and Hally saying that I'm scum (both of whom voted the mafia on D1)

and that's what I'm curious in right now

why is it that two of the D1 mafia voters are on me

but no one else followed them on that so far

especially the others on the D1 mafia wagon

[MartinGG99]

(to be clear, I haven't finished reading Epi's ISO.)

[MartinGG99]

how is you claiming you got “interesting feedback” not related to your role? idgi

Because some roles give feedback to others?

They aren't very common but they do exist.

Obviously they aren't a blackmailer, but a blackmailer is an example. Or some night messenger role of some sort, or a jailer. Or who-knows-what.

I guess what I can tell you they certainly aren't the typical role hence the "interesting" part of the feedback.

[MartinGG99]

There's also possibility for wild speculation that the feedback wasn't because of a role but because of setup special mechanics

It did seem to be very in-theme for whatever this setup is about

(Which, btw, IF IT IS BECAUSE OF THE SETUP AND NOT A ROLE, it would be best if someone didn't get to fake-claim and somehow confirm themselves!)

[Hally]

okay

i don’t get why you wouldn’t claim that because it sounds like a role that could be any alignment and is probably not that important, but live your life ig

[Hally]

There's also possibility for wild speculation that the feedback wasn't because of a role but because of setup special mechanics

It did seem to be very in-theme for whatever this setup is about

(Which, btw, IF IT IS BECAUSE OF THE SETUP AND NOT A ROLE, it would be best if someone didn't get to fake-claim and somehow confirm themselves!)

well considering it’s a closed setup where any role can probably be anything it wouldn’t confirm anyone. it’s just information that exists and we will have to decide what its significance is

[Hally]

but it’s fine. i’m not going to keep pestering you martin. what you do is up to you. i’ll let you get on with your solving

[MartinGG99]

because it sounds like a role that could be any alignment

I'm leaning on it being a town role-unless it has clear negative utility. It didn't seem to have any negative effect on me unless it says "hey you're going to die in the next two days!"

I just don't see it being used by wolves unless JJJ wants to dodge usual setup tropes or concepts such as the wolves having PR roles that can always help to advance their position

Additionally, there's the question as to WHY I was targeted with such an ability. Given that I was one of the highest wagons on D1, isn't it plausible to assume that the wolves had NO REASON to target me, and only towns did?

[tutuu]

if u dont want to share your feedback dont assume that the ability came from town, once again the host said that the setup will be unusual

[Hally]

it’s just wifom

and scum night whisperers are fairly common ime

why are you worried about someone fake claiming it if you know the role exists? then the real pr just cc’s. what does that get scum?

[MartinGG99]

I read through Epigonsis' whole ISO

I think he's strongly town IMO, and I have little clue as to why Gulio thought he was scummy, but I didn't super read into Gulio's ISO.

Also, if anything, I would like to put my vote with him.

And before you ask, no, its not because he town-read my slot earlier on.

[MartinGG99]

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

for now

[Hally]

elaborate?

[MartinGG99]

and scum night whisperers are fairly common ime

Scum night whispers targeting top-wagons?

What purpose does that serve for them?

[MartinGG99]

elaborate?

His voting flew wildly early on. Scum don't do that IMO, or at least its very rare fmpov.

I just felt he was overall town as well.

He also isn't likely to be a busser of Made, given how little he talked about or provided justification for it, off the top of my head from somewhat skimming.

[Hally]

and scum night whisperers are fairly common ime

Scum night whispers targeting top-wagons?

What purpose does that serve for them?

who knows

what purpose does town targeting you serve? don’t you think there were better targets for town too?

[MartinGG99]

once again the host said that the setup will be unusual

Yeah but the fact is

wolves don't usually target top-wagons, JJJ doesn't dictate that

and even more so that I think night feedback roles are more likely to be town than not

[Hally]

elaborate?

His voting flew wildly early on. Scum don't do that IMO, or at least its very rare fmpov.

I just felt he was overall town as well.

He also isn't likely to be a busser of Made, given how little he talked about or provided justification for it, off the top of my head from somewhat skimming.

and the marmot vote?

[tutuu]

Note:

Characters are randomly assigned to alignments: any character can be a civilian or a mafioso (there are no independents). However, characters are not randomly assigned to roles. Any character with which a non-vanilla role is associated has been given an innocuous fake character claim.

Also, I'm going to be a tad late (maybe 10 minutes). Bear with me.

mafia power roles are given specifically tailored fake claims

[Hally]

once again the host said that the setup will be unusual

Yeah but the fact is

wolves don't usually target top-wagons, JJJ doesn't dictate that

and even more so that I think night feedback roles are more likely to be town than not

that’s just... not correct. they can be any alignment

[tutuu]

once again the host said that the setup will be unusual

Yeah but the fact is

wolves don't usually target top-wagons, JJJ doesn't dictate that

and even more so that I think night feedback roles are more likely to be town than not

"the setup is unusual but wolves dont usually do this so i will think its not from wolves". whatever

[MartinGG99]

and scum night whisperers are fairly common ime

Scum night whispers targeting top-wagons?

What purpose does that serve for them?

who knows

what purpose does town targeting you serve? don’t you think there were better targets for town too?

You're supposed to tell me, I only replaced in recently

I mean, the "who knows" applies a bit to town as well but I think wagonomics 101 + night actions 101 says I wasn't likely to be targeted by wolves last night

that and I personally believe its a town role given the nuances of it and what-not which I'm not going to give up no matter how much you guys try to pressure me over it

MAYBE you could argue a 3P but then that throws any and all possible conclusions from such a night action as ?????

[Hally]

pretty sure jay said in the signup thread there’s no 3P? or am i bugging

[MartinGG99]

that’s just... not correct. they can be any alignment

OH WOW

ANYONE CAN BE ANY ALIGNMENT

I GUESS I CANT TELL IF @HALLY OR @TUTUU ARE TOWN AT ALL I GUESS

HECK WHY DONT WE ASK MARTIN IF HES CLAIMING PR BECAUSE APPARENTLY THATS AI FOR FUCKS SAKE

[MartinGG99]

you know what

[MartinGG99]

im just leaving the thread

[MartinGG99]

for now

goodbye

[tutuu]

lol

[Hally]

i don’t know why you’re getting bent out of shape about this

[Hally]

but i apologize if i frustrated you

[tutuu]

if it made me laugh its >rand fake

[tutuu]

i dont want to clear scummy players off of mechanics or claims, i still want to kill tony over people like marmot/epi/seanzie etc

[Hally]

I lie -- some basic information:

48/24 cycles
Two factions only
Minimal but non-zero mechanical intrigue

from sign up thread

so no 3P

[Hally]

i dont want to clear scummy players off of mechanics or claims, i still want to kill tony over people like marmot/epi/seanzie etc

well we’re not killing a claimed vig today. and i think it’s unlikely that there would be a scum vig in a 13er. but we should leash his shot to be safe

[tutuu]

what if the nanook death was due to some unknown unannounced compensation for reasons i dont know towards the wolves, and tony took the opportunity to claim it

[juliets]

I just read through Martin's comments and I'm completely confused.

[juliets]

I understand (I think) what he's saying about various ways to get feedback but I don't know what made him so upset. I need to read Guillo, which I'll do right after breakfast.