Bike [END]

[Hally]

martin what’s your legacy? who are the wolves? who’s town? etc.

if you flip town we’ll take your perspective into account

[MartinGG99]

[VOTE: Mr Radishes] aubergine

like look at this shit, Made is basically suiciding so that Guillotine doesn't die

let me double check the votes

See?

You're acting like its obvious, and the truth is Made should've of seen it as the same way as well.

And yet you're not considering that.

[MartinGG99]

i believe that made just got himself killed to make Guillo (the mafia PR) look good off of his flip

How the hell was I looking good after what he did?

Wolves are self-aware and you're acting like he had no self-awareness in doing that

@tutuu when I flip I want you take a long look at this point

[Master Radishes]

Has anyone even done an iso of seanzie yet? I'm keeping up albeit not retaining everything, but I don't remember anyone seriously actually trying to sort seanzie one way or the other. A few little things, sure, but I feel like he's not gotten close attention.

I have no reason to think he's scum, but he's definitely in that mid-range of presence level where good wolves try to hide themselves. Dunno. It's probably worth a look later.

dizzy strongly thought sean was town

I generally don't believe in 'listening to dead townies' tbh. Their view is a remnant of a previous gamestate.

Again, I have no reason to doubt Sean is town, it's just a slot that hasn't gotten much attention one way or another imo.

[Hally]

Has anyone even done an iso of seanzie yet? I'm keeping up albeit not retaining everything, but I don't remember anyone seriously actually trying to sort seanzie one way or the other. A few little things, sure, but I feel like he's not gotten close attention.

I have no reason to think he's scum, but he's definitely in that mid-range of presence level where good wolves try to hide themselves. Dunno. It's probably worth a look later.

dizzy strongly thought sean was town

I generally don't believe in 'listening to dead townies' tbh. Their view is a remnant of a previous gamestate.

Again, I have no reason to doubt Sean is town, it's just a slot that hasn't gotten much attention one way or another imo.

i trust dizzy’s reads

[Long Con]

i don’t know why you’re assuming it has anything to do with kp or any utility at all.

Well, it could be a pointless power role aside from self-confirmation but generally power roles aren't pointless

especially since theres apparently a vig here I would imagine that means all the power roles will have some effect, and unless that image was sent via virtue of special mechanics in the setup

I doubt there's 0 utility in it, and given there's a vig already I doubt it has kp attached to it.

However, if I didn't know there was a vig, then it would be reasonable to think it has some sort of KP since the bike in the picture, with the descriptions I gave, is a lot less..."alive" than the ones you see in the host post pictures of bikes, especially since there's no seat on the bike.

Have you looked for hidden messages or anything within the image?

[Hally]

i don’t really know how much i think martin will flip wolf rn. but i also don’t know where else i’d rather go

[MartinGG99]

believe MR is spewed town and guillotine is spewed mafia pls vote martin pls

I could be slightly wrong but honestly I think its the opposite given that Made never really distanced from anyone / distanced from one more than the other in particular

and once I flip green you'll realize his vote had been sitting on a town for most of D1 of which he never really pushed hard at all during that day (at least not what I've seen through my skimming)

[Long Con]

Like maybe it's a role that can send a role cop result in a difficult-to-parse form.

[Hally]

i think i’m just gonna stay on martin

wouldn’t be surprised if he’s town though

[MartinGG99]

Have you looked for hidden messages or anything within the image?

There aren't any, at least not that I'm aware of. Its just a much lower-quality bike partially submerged in (what I guess) could say is some sort of quick-sand.

Only message is the title of the PM called "A Haunting Vision"

[TonyStarkPrime]

thinking pretty clearly mechanical intrigue and not role related

[Master Radishes]

I guess Martin is a worthy chop still, at least considering I don't have a better alternative and it'll either confirm or reject the consensus PoE. (Not for everyone, since I'd be alive still, but I won't care what any of you think.) I don't have to stretch my brain to see w!Martin receiving the ghost bike thingy and immediately hoping to leverage it into towncred by being cagey and everything. In a vacuum he's been fine in his posting, so like, I'm not so sure on this either. But on balance he more or less exists in the same position as he did during the Guillo-era, and to me that's choppable.

[MartinGG99]

wouldn’t be surprised if he’s town though

thank you for at least giving me that

it just might be, unfortunately, the "correct" elimination by virtue of never escaping the PoE and that apparently half the people here think Made was dumb enough to "spew me mafia" like that

[Master Radishes]

i think i’m just gonna stay on martin

wouldn’t be surprised if he’s town though

Yeah that's how I feel, sans an actual vote there ofc.

[TonyStarkPrime]

wouldn’t be surprised if he’s town though

thank you for at least giving me that

it just might be, unfortunately, the "correct" elimination by virtue of never escaping the PoE and that apparently half the people here think Made was dumb enough to "spew me mafia" like that

eh, bigger issues involved

[Master Radishes]

...I do sort of feel he's sounding townie right now though.

[TonyStarkPrime]

do you really?

[TonyStarkPrime]

cause we can flash wagon you if you want

[Hally]

...I do sort of feel he's sounding townie right now though.

i don’t disagree

[Master Radishes]

do you really?

Yeah.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I would like 1 (one) wolf

[Hally]

but i still don’t think i’d chop anyone else over him

[TonyStarkPrime]

will the real wolves please come out

[Master Radishes]

cause we can flash wagon you if you want

Bring it.

[MartinGG99]

Is it just Sean and Guillo/Martin? Normally if you have a top 2 poe, you're fine voting either option?

(in regards to Sean)

Nah. I recently did that sort of thing in a town game I had recently off-site. I mean, OF COURSE they're fine voting either option. Its just pragmatic to vote what you think is feasible.

Besides, sometimes its better to be showing those hard stances in the PoE as to whether you think X player is town or not, instead of going off on one's own little scum-hunt adventure story.

It helps with solving imo. And honestly I would rather be executed by a large wagon instead of a small one for that reason, so as of late I am glad for that.

[TonyStarkPrime]

vote: Sean

[TonyStarkPrime]

cause we can flash wagon you if you want

Bring it.

vote: mr

[Master Radishes]

but i still don’t think i’d chop anyone else over him

Yeah I'm staring at the names in the poll right now and I don't have any better option. Like not even a credibly spicy take.

Maybe I just love EoD chaos so much I'm mistaking disappointment for uncertainty.

[VOTE: MartinG99] aubergine

[Hally]

radishes is probably town here

hard game

[Master Radishes]

Maybe we can flash wagon Marmot?

It'd be funny.

[TonyStarkPrime]

someone said epi was too aggressive to be a wolf but I sorta think he hasn't been aggressive enough to be a wolf

[TonyStarkPrime]

remove vote

[Hally]

does epi have viable teammates? he doesn’t seem aligned with marmot or lc or sean

so if this is a hard game with martin/tony/radishes all town i’m not really seeing who he fits with

[Hally]

someone said epi was too aggressive to be a wolf but I sorta think he hasn't been aggressive enough to be a wolf

i understand what you mean and think both things are true in their own way

[Long Con]

Maybe we can flash wagon Marmot?

It'd be funny.

I wouldn't be opposed.

[Long Con]

someone said epi was too aggressive to be a wolf but I sorta think he hasn't been aggressive enough to be a wolf

i understand what you mean and think both things are true in their own way

I hope to someday achieve that level of unjudgable inscrutability.

[Master Radishes]

does epi have viable teammates? he doesn’t seem aligned with marmot or lc or sean

so if this is a hard game with martin/tony/radishes all town i’m not really seeing who he fits with

On a different note, Marmot/LC/Sean is my exact 'no reason to think they're scum but not fully sold on them definitely being town' crowd.

I distrust that sort of crowd, particularly when I start being uncertain about the PoE.

[MartinGG99]

Okay, so I actually read a bit more of the context for what I was reading earlier.

I didn't realize Epi just simply OMGUS voted Marmot.

Not the case at all.

Well my original reason for voting with you was because I felt and thought you were town and so I looked at who you voted in the the vote-poll and followed that.

Especially since I wasn't aware of everything (and still kinda am) in the the game so far.

You did make a big post about him, but "middle pile" doesn't sound exactly like a scum read to me and more of a "null read". Later, I found your post that had the vote on Marmot and it had that meanie emoji on it, looking like a silly OMGUS if we looked at that vote post exclusively.

[MartinGG99]

Maybe we can flash wagon Marmot?

It'd be funny.

I wouldn't be opposed.

Eh. I would have my own reasons for voting Marmot but in all seriousness I think he's town.

I would like to comment though the way he brought up a single quote from Made in his scum game and compared it to this one and then summarily vote him after said comparison is almost quite literrally what I did in my last scum-game off-site to another scummmate.

I still think hes more likely to be town than not. But I can't say locked town though.

[Marmot]

Has anyone even done an iso of seanzie yet? I'm keeping up albeit not retaining everything, but I don't remember anyone seriously actually trying to sort seanzie one way or the other. A few little things, sure, but I feel like he's not gotten close attention.

I have no reason to think he's scum, but he's definitely in that mid-range of presence level where good wolves try to hide themselves. Dunno. It's probably worth a look later.

dizzy strongly thought sean was town

I generally don't believe in 'listening to dead townies' tbh. Their view is a remnant of a previous gamestate.

Again, I have no reason to doubt Sean is town, it's just a slot that hasn't gotten much attention one way or another imo.

Look at you, casting shade on known townies.

[juliets]

@TonyStarkPrime do you just have your vote on "no elimination" because you are trying to decide or do you intend to keep it there?

[Master Radishes]

I'm just going to go to bed.

I'd prefer not to get flash wagoned again, but I understand it's a professional hazard of being me.

[Marmot]

Maybe we can flash wagon Marmot?

It'd be funny.

Yeah let's get that guy

[MartinGG99]

@MartinGG99 i want to apologize again for frustrating you earlier

No need to apologize. I think we're just different people and we just think differently.

Its bound to happen at some point.

I just grew frustrated realizing that given some of my interactions with you in grasslands, IIRC I think I got frustrated as well

But honestly it just seems to be more of an inherent difference between us rather than anything done wrong by either of us.

Its just that I might still get a little upset over that and the best course of action for me to is to leave the thread for a short while; but I'm very good at learning to control my emotions (in a precautionary sense) so I doubt it'll be likely to happen again in the future.

[Marmot]

Martin also feels very townie to me after returning to the thread.

But we've done a lot of work to get to this point, and flash-wagoning anyone other than Radish doesn't make sense.

[Hally]

does epi have viable teammates? he doesn’t seem aligned with marmot or lc or sean

so if this is a hard game with martin/tony/radishes all town i’m not really seeing who he fits with

On a different note, Marmot/LC/Sean is my exact 'no reason to think they're scum but not fully sold on them definitely being town' crowd.

I distrust that sort of crowd, particularly when I start being uncertain about the PoE.

yeah. sean > marnot or lc though

[Marmot]

Reminder that day ends in 13 minutes, not 26 minutes.

[MartinGG99]

i don’t see why i wouldn’t kill dizzy N1 though, if i’m being perfectly honest. i don’t always when i’m scum but in this game i probably would (though it would depend on who my teammate was)

but i think pretty much anyone else would also kill dizzy first after D1, so

If I came into the game in control of the kill I probably would kill one of the top-posters

maybe dizzy maybe not but arguably since I didn't know dizzy I might've just killed someone like you or tutuu instead both of who could be very hard to get eliminated

[MartinGG99]

Well, I know dizzy played in the champs final and was the Grasslands host but that's it.

Honestly I kinda don't know why I made this (pointless) argument so late.