Bread Mafia [Game Over]

[staypositivefriend]

michelle/made/long con has one at the very least

i thought we were friends

we are = ) and friends dont let their friends be mafia and get away with it

[nutella]

addressing suspects in the second person isn't always townie imo but it depends

if you're pretty committed to a suspicion, it's more productive to convince others rather than engage them directly

if you're doubtful/still sorting someone (which probably applies here tbf) it makes more sense to engage

so i see how you can have that but i think it's pretty situational and not like a reliable tell idk

[JaggedJimmyJay]

potentially a dumb read with personal bias:

tutuu directed her suspicion of me directly to me, in the second person, instead of talking about me externally in a third-person blob of shade. Made did that now that i think of it, so that's something i can reconsider. it seemed like tutuu desired to connect with me there

convince me why that's AI

it's a read i've made a number of times, and i couldn't really tell you how accurate it is. i don't remember. but i think that, at least for most players in mafia alignments, it is more comfortable to shade "suspects" in the third person than to point your post directly upon them and tell them that they suck. it's less overtly combative/confrontational and may be more effective in moving the opinions of other people in the game (the third-person read). when other people read two people engaged in second-person exchanges they are more likely to drone it out. in theory.

[nutella]

michelle/made/long con has one at the very least

yes

[Made]

ok i give up on catching up. this is what i have to say instead:

Michelle, the only meta i have is that Ive spectated one game. Played one mafia where we won(some would say town was really bad that game but i like to think im just that good) And one town where we won.
Ive played all of those with Esooa, and she's fine at this game I guess, I think I know how to spot her mafia though so I'll pay attention to that.

And my pfp might count as anime(i pray not). Its a japanese game in an anime style but it's not a show or movie.

Also im Sourdough so im good.

I honestly find it funny you think you could find me as mafia lmao

Towny ego. (This is @ everyone else who is having trouble finding Eso as town).

You continually letting me know that you desire to sheep me strokes my ego and it makes me like you and I don't like that. What if you're Mafia? I do like my ego being stroked, you're probably impressed still by last game, but. I have mixed feelings right now that are fighting with each other.

i sheep takes not people

[Esooa]

you can town read Ellie for her posts but don't lock town her lol

[nutella]

potentially a dumb read with personal bias:

tutuu directed her suspicion of me directly to me, in the second person, instead of talking about me externally in a third-person blob of shade. Made did that now that i think of it, so that's something i can reconsider. it seemed like tutuu desired to connect with me there

FWIW I often switch between second and third person perspectives as town based on what I think will be more persuasive or productive. Generally I use second person pronouns when I want to give them a chance to help me get there on them, or otherwise engage deeply with them even if I suspect them, and third person pronouns when I no longer care and just want to convince everyone else to bury them.

of course alison already said this before me

[tutuu]

I didn't find the Ellie post town, what is going on? Am I being silly or are you guys being silly?

It was obviously expressing bravado but why couldn't it have just been bravado between friends? In the sign-up thread Eso said that she is bringing Ellie to this game and that she's her friend. I don't see why are you guys locking Ellie as town and even if you're right on her alignment I don't think you are for the right reasons.

This is annoying for me because I can't differentiate between scum TMI-ing Ellie town if she's town, and Townies making (what I believe to be) wrong reads.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

second- or third-person preferences also surely depend upon the player, as Alison suggested. i wouldn't make that read for Epignosis or MacDougall

[Alison]

Because you're gloating/rubbing it in. The whole way you played that was so fucking slimy and self-assured. You've been towncleared the whole game and you're getting cocky at endgame because you think you'll win. If nutella sees reason, you won't.

Mac is the opposite. He's genuinely upset, overwhelmed and having a breakdown. Frustration from missing a shot last night as wolf? Maybe, but the wolf team has to be in fine shape here if nutella is thinking of shooting me. I have a hard time imagining a wolf having a breakdown in this kind of way. It paints him as a manipulative player who's willing to fake the basest sort of emotion to gain sympathy by pretending he's hurting IRL, and that just makes people think badly of him and trust him less in future games for very little gain right now.

That is the difference between the actions between the two of you. Mac is town. You are scum.

exhibit A of 2nd person attacks

[nutella]

potentially a dumb read with personal bias:

tutuu directed her suspicion of me directly to me, in the second person, instead of talking about me externally in a third-person blob of shade. Made did that now that i think of it, so that's something i can reconsider. it seemed like tutuu desired to connect with me there

convince me why that's AI

it's a read i've made a number of times, and i couldn't really tell you how accurate it is. i don't remember. but i think that, at least for most players in mafia alignments, it is more comfortable to shade "suspects" in the third person than to point your post directly upon them and tell them that they suck. it's less overtly combative/confrontational and may be more effective in moving the opinions of other people in the game (the third-person read). when other people read two people engaged in second-person exchanges they are more likely to drone it out. in theory.

sure, that makes sense

just think it's a bit fuzzy of a thing to put much weight on

[staypositivefriend]

the fact that i'm ~not~ finding jagged towny is actually making me wonder if he is town. i mean this in the sense that i imagine jagged is similar to me when he rolls mafia - he probably plays w/the intention to get people to townread him and to put him in a good light

but he seems content with taking on a more passive, observational role and letting the momentum of the "towncore" move forward without him. i feel like jagged would most likely be making broader strides to be townread rn if he was scum, unless his partners had already integrated themselves into the towncore (which i doubt)

[nutella]

I didn't find the Ellie post town, what is going on? Am I being silly or are you guys being silly?

It was obviously expressing bravado but why couldn't it have just been bravado between friends? In the sign-up thread Eso said that she is bringing Ellie to this game and that she's her friend. I don't see why are you guys locking Ellie as town and even if you're right on her alignment I don't think you are for the right reasons.

This is annoying for me because I can't differentiate between scum TMI-ing Ellie town if she's town, and Townies making (what I believe to be) wrong reads.

you can town read Ellie for her posts but don't lock town her lol

ok

[Alison]

you can town read Ellie for her posts but don't lock town her lol

I don't think it's within most players' scum range unless they're exceptionally good

[Made]

addressing suspects in the second person isn't always townie imo but it depends

if you're pretty committed to a suspicion, it's more productive to convince others rather than engage them directly

if you're doubtful/still sorting someone (which probably applies here tbf) it makes more sense to engage

so i see how you can have that but i think it's pretty situational and not like a reliable tell idk

from this, AI would be based most on experience level. experienced town would use 3rd person, experience mafia would use 2nd person. from there you apply wifom, but yktv

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

the fact that i'm ~not~ finding jagged towny is actually making me wonder if he is town. i mean this in the sense that i imagine jagged is similar to me when he rolls mafia - he probably plays w/the intention to get people to townread him and to put him in a good light

but he seems content with taking on a more passive, observational role and letting the momentum of the "towncore" move forward without him. i feel like jagged would most likely be making broader strides to be townread rn if he was scum, unless his partners had already integrated themselves into the towncore (which i doubt)

I think this depends a lot on who his partners are

[JaggedJimmyJay]

just think it's a bit fuzzy of a thing to put much weight on

probably true

[staypositivefriend]

the fact that i'm ~not~ finding jagged towny is actually making me wonder if he is town. i mean this in the sense that i imagine jagged is similar to me when he rolls mafia - he probably plays w/the intention to get people to townread him and to put him in a good light

but he seems content with taking on a more passive, observational role and letting the momentum of the "towncore" move forward without him. i feel like jagged would most likely be making broader strides to be townread rn if he was scum, unless his partners had already integrated themselves into the towncore (which i doubt)

I think this depends a lot on who his partners are

if we live in a world where his partners are "Deepwolves" and within like alison/nutella/etc, then i would agree

but i find that world pretty unlikely right now

[nutella]

the fact that i'm ~not~ finding jagged towny is actually making me wonder if he is town. i mean this in the sense that i imagine jagged is similar to me when he rolls mafia - he probably plays w/the intention to get people to townread him and to put him in a good light

but he seems content with taking on a more passive, observational role and letting the momentum of the "towncore" move forward without him. i feel like jagged would most likely be making broader strides to be townread rn if he was scum, unless his partners had already integrated themselves into the towncore (which i doubt)

i have a decent record of catching him as scum fwiw

(have also had a couple false positives tbf)

it's hard to describe but when i catch him it's a bit more of an agenda thing. like when he does the interactive chart thing and the results don't seem quite right to me/manipulative of a certain narrative to an extent, and combined with a tonal thing i can't really put into words

and so far i'm leaning town but will be more able to read him as the game goes on

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

the fact that i'm ~not~ finding jagged towny is actually making me wonder if he is town. i mean this in the sense that i imagine jagged is similar to me when he rolls mafia - he probably plays w/the intention to get people to townread him and to put him in a good light

but he seems content with taking on a more passive, observational role and letting the momentum of the "towncore" move forward without him. i feel like jagged would most likely be making broader strides to be townread rn if he was scum, unless his partners had already integrated themselves into the towncore (which i doubt)

I think this depends a lot on who his partners are

if we live in a world where his partners are "Deepwolves" and within like alison/nutella/etc, then i would agree

but i find that world pretty unlikely right now

Or Mac

I’m still not there on alison yet so perhaps that’s coloring my view a bit

[JaggedJimmyJay]

the fact that i'm ~not~ finding jagged towny is actually making me wonder if he is town. i mean this in the sense that i imagine jagged is similar to me when he rolls mafia - he probably plays w/the intention to get people to townread him and to put him in a good light

but he seems content with taking on a more passive, observational role and letting the momentum of the "towncore" move forward without him. i feel like jagged would most likely be making broader strides to be townread rn if he was scum, unless his partners had already integrated themselves into the towncore (which i doubt)

yeah i'm frankly relieved that the game has started this way. i haven't played in three months, and i really didn't want to get all crazy in this thing. an early "town core" (i really hate that term) is forming that i find agreeable, and that gives me the space to chill out and play at the lower level of investment i wanted to play at.

[Alison]

I think the towncore is pretty watertight right now and I think JJJ would absolutely be freaking out if he was scum and his teammates weren't in the towncore. So yeah, I trust JJJ.

[Esooa]

you can town read Ellie for her posts but don't lock town her lol

I don't think it's within most players' scum range unless they're exceptionally good

how?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

At any rate I don’t think jay needs to be snap read, he can be figured out over the course of two or three days

[Alison]

the fact that i'm ~not~ finding jagged towny is actually making me wonder if he is town. i mean this in the sense that i imagine jagged is similar to me when he rolls mafia - he probably plays w/the intention to get people to townread him and to put him in a good light

but he seems content with taking on a more passive, observational role and letting the momentum of the "towncore" move forward without him. i feel like jagged would most likely be making broader strides to be townread rn if he was scum, unless his partners had already integrated themselves into the towncore (which i doubt)

I think this depends a lot on who his partners are

if we live in a world where his partners are "Deepwolves" and within like alison/nutella/etc, then i would agree

but i find that world pretty unlikely right now

Or Mac

I’m still not there on alison yet so perhaps that’s coloring my view a bit

why would he be more comfortable if he had mac as a wolf buddy?

[Made]

At any rate I don’t think jay needs to be snap read, he can be figured out over the course of two or three days

[Alison]

you can town read Ellie for her posts but don't lock town her lol

I don't think it's within most players' scum range unless they're exceptionally good

how?

aggression + ego cranked up way too high in way too short a span of time. The way mafia make aggressive posts is that they want to shout at you until you get off their back. Ellie's was just someone snapping andl ashing out in a very natural, instinctive way.

[Esooa]

I think the towncore is pretty watertight right now and I think JJJ would absolutely be freaking out if he was scum and his teammates weren't in the towncore. So yeah, I trust JJJ.

pretty meh on this read

[staypositivefriend]

the fact that i'm ~not~ finding jagged towny is actually making me wonder if he is town. i mean this in the sense that i imagine jagged is similar to me when he rolls mafia - he probably plays w/the intention to get people to townread him and to put him in a good light

but he seems content with taking on a more passive, observational role and letting the momentum of the "towncore" move forward without him. i feel like jagged would most likely be making broader strides to be townread rn if he was scum, unless his partners had already integrated themselves into the towncore (which i doubt)

yeah i'm frankly relieved that the game has started this way. i haven't played in three months, and i really didn't want to get all crazy in this thing. an early "town core" (i really hate that term) is forming that i find agreeable, and that gives me the space to chill out and play at the lower level of investment i wanted to play at.

i believe it, and im kind of townleaning you rn

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

the fact that i'm ~not~ finding jagged towny is actually making me wonder if he is town. i mean this in the sense that i imagine jagged is similar to me when he rolls mafia - he probably plays w/the intention to get people to townread him and to put him in a good light

but he seems content with taking on a more passive, observational role and letting the momentum of the "towncore" move forward without him. i feel like jagged would most likely be making broader strides to be townread rn if he was scum, unless his partners had already integrated themselves into the towncore (which i doubt)

I think this depends a lot on who his partners are

if we live in a world where his partners are "Deepwolves" and within like alison/nutella/etc, then i would agree

but i find that world pretty unlikely right now

Or Mac

I’m still not there on alison yet so perhaps that’s coloring my view a bit

why would he be more comfortable if he had mac as a wolf buddy?

Mac hasn’t posted yet so no reason to freak out, and is the kind of scum player that is capable of forcing his way into and/or dismantling a town core when he’s fully invested

[tutuu]

I think I'm coming around to nutella being town. I think she's slowly transitioning into her assertive town leader mood.

[Made]

I think the towncore is pretty watertight right now and I think JJJ would absolutely be freaking out if he was scum and his teammates weren't in the towncore. So yeah, I trust JJJ.

pretty meh on this read

[Esooa]

you can town read Ellie for her posts but don't lock town her lol

I don't think it's within most players' scum range unless they're exceptionally good

how?

aggression + ego cranked up way too high in way too short a span of time. The way mafia make aggressive posts is that they want to shout at you until you get off their back. Ellie's was just someone snapping andl ashing out in a very natural, instinctive way.

well I town read her for similar reasons in her first game and she was mafia

and in her second game she was town and actually less confident

so yeah

[Alison]

I think the towncore is pretty watertight right now and I think JJJ would absolutely be freaking out if he was scum and his teammates weren't in the towncore. So yeah, I trust JJJ.

pretty meh on this read

I mean the read only makes sense if you agree with me that the towncore is watertight. You distrust tutuu so naturally you're going to see my conclusion as being a lot more unwarranted than me.

[Esooa]

I think the towncore is pretty watertight right now and I think JJJ would absolutely be freaking out if he was scum and his teammates weren't in the towncore. So yeah, I trust JJJ.

pretty meh on this read

I mean the read only makes sense if you agree with me that the towncore is watertight. You distrust tutuu so naturally you're going to see my conclusion as being a lot more unwarranted than me.

actually the biggest reason is this read is applicable to every player in the poe so it's ultimately meaningless

[Made]

I think the towncore is pretty watertight right now and I think JJJ would absolutely be freaking out if he was scum and his teammates weren't in the towncore. So yeah, I trust JJJ.

pretty meh on this read

I mean the read only makes sense if you agree with me that the towncore is watertight. You distrust tutuu so naturally you're going to see my conclusion as being a lot more unwarranted than me.

out of fear of being bullied by thread, I don't like this either.

like it makes sense, but in an unnecessary way

[tutuu]

you can town read Ellie for her posts but don't lock town her lol

I don't think it's within most players' scum range unless they're exceptionally good

how?

aggression + ego cranked up way too high in way too short a span of time. The way mafia make aggressive posts is that they want to shout at you until you get off their back. Ellie's was just someone snapping andl ashing out in a very natural, instinctive way.

well I town read her for similar reasons in her first game and she was mafia

and in her second game she was town and actually less confident

so yeah

[VOTE: Ellie] aubergine

[nutella]

I think the towncore is pretty watertight right now and I think JJJ would absolutely be freaking out if he was scum and his teammates weren't in the towncore. So yeah, I trust JJJ.

pretty meh on this read

I mean the read only makes sense if you agree with me that the towncore is watertight. You distrust tutuu so naturally you're going to see my conclusion as being a lot more unwarranted than me.

tutuu isn't in the main towncore imo

getting closer but still fringe

[staypositivefriend]

I think the towncore is pretty watertight right now and I think JJJ would absolutely be freaking out if he was scum and his teammates weren't in the towncore. So yeah, I trust JJJ.

pretty meh on this read

I mean the read only makes sense if you agree with me that the towncore is watertight. You distrust tutuu so naturally you're going to see my conclusion as being a lot more unwarranted than me.

out of fear of being bullied by thread, I don't like this either.

like it makes sense, but in an unnecessary way

can you expand on that a bit? what's unnecessary about it?

[Alison]

I think the towncore is pretty watertight right now and I think JJJ would absolutely be freaking out if he was scum and his teammates weren't in the towncore. So yeah, I trust JJJ.

pretty meh on this read

I mean the read only makes sense if you agree with me that the towncore is watertight. You distrust tutuu so naturally you're going to see my conclusion as being a lot more unwarranted than me.

actually the biggest reason is this read is applicable to every player in the poe so it's ultimately meaningless

no, actually, this is specific to JJJ as an individual because of his playstyle and personality. I don't doubt that any scum in the POE feels the heat turning up right now, but I think JJJ would take it a lot harder than most other players because of how much he values town cores and thinks the game revolves around them.

[Made]

I think the towncore is pretty watertight right now and I think JJJ would absolutely be freaking out if he was scum and his teammates weren't in the towncore. So yeah, I trust JJJ.

pretty meh on this read

I mean the read only makes sense if you agree with me that the towncore is watertight. You distrust tutuu so naturally you're going to see my conclusion as being a lot more unwarranted than me.

out of fear of being bullied by thread, I don't like this either.

like it makes sense, but in an unnecessary way

can you expand on that a bit? what's unnecessary about it?

you don't need to explain to people why they feel how they feel

[tutuu]

@Made what is the meaning of all of the sheep emojis and do you plan on elaborating further?

[Made]

unless ur gaslighting them...

sorry y'all be we're pretty far from a towncore, and tbh it's a dangerous to imply otherwise

[staypositivefriend]

I think the towncore is pretty watertight right now and I think JJJ would absolutely be freaking out if he was scum and his teammates weren't in the towncore. So yeah, I trust JJJ.

pretty meh on this read

I mean the read only makes sense if you agree with me that the towncore is watertight. You distrust tutuu so naturally you're going to see my conclusion as being a lot more unwarranted than me.

out of fear of being bullied by thread, I don't like this either.

like it makes sense, but in an unnecessary way

can you expand on that a bit? what's unnecessary about it?

you don't need to explain to people why they feel how they feel

sure, but this is a game about communication. it would help me understand your thought process & perspective more if you elaborated on your comment about alison

but hey, live ur life

[Made]

@Made what is the meaning of all of the sheep emojis and do you plan on elaborating further?

emoji just means i the take

[tutuu]

I think the towncore is pretty watertight right now and I think JJJ would absolutely be freaking out if he was scum and his teammates weren't in the towncore. So yeah, I trust JJJ.

pretty meh on this read

I mean the read only makes sense if you agree with me that the towncore is watertight. You distrust tutuu so naturally you're going to see my conclusion as being a lot more unwarranted than me.

tutuu isn't in the main towncore imo

getting closer but still fringe

You were wrong on me our last 2 games together so if I were you I would sheep others on my alignment.

[staypositivefriend]

I think the towncore is pretty watertight right now and I think JJJ would absolutely be freaking out if he was scum and his teammates weren't in the towncore. So yeah, I trust JJJ.

pretty meh on this read

I mean the read only makes sense if you agree with me that the towncore is watertight. You distrust tutuu so naturally you're going to see my conclusion as being a lot more unwarranted than me.

out of fear of being bullied by thread, I don't like this either.

like it makes sense, but in an unnecessary way

can you expand on that a bit? what's unnecessary about it?

you don't need to explain to people why they feel how they feel

sure, but this is a game about communication. it would help me understand your thought process & perspective more if you elaborated on your comment about alison

but hey, live ur life

oh nvmmm i completely misinterpreted this post - you were saying that you didn't like alison explaining to esooa how she felt

i thought that you were declining to explain yourself to me, lol

[nutella]

unless ur gaslighting them...

sorry y'all be we're pretty far from a towncore, and tbh it's a dangerous to imply otherwise

nah it's fine, we go with it for a few days, if shit goes wrong we reevaluate

[Made]

I think the towncore is pretty watertight right now and I think JJJ would absolutely be freaking out if he was scum and his teammates weren't in the towncore. So yeah, I trust JJJ.

pretty meh on this read

I mean the read only makes sense if you agree with me that the towncore is watertight. You distrust tutuu so naturally you're going to see my conclusion as being a lot more unwarranted than me.

out of fear of being bullied by thread, I don't like this either.

like it makes sense, but in an unnecessary way

can you expand on that a bit? what's unnecessary about it?

you don't need to explain to people why they feel how they feel

sure, but this is a game about communication. it would help me understand your thought process & perspective more if you elaborated on your comment about alison

but hey, live ur life

nah, what i'm saying is that it felt like alison was explain to Esooa how Esooa felt in a manipulative way.
Esooa feels how they feels, it's a bit weird to explain to Esooa why their take makes sense

[nutella]

I think the towncore is pretty watertight right now and I think JJJ would absolutely be freaking out if he was scum and his teammates weren't in the towncore. So yeah, I trust JJJ.

pretty meh on this read

I mean the read only makes sense if you agree with me that the towncore is watertight. You distrust tutuu so naturally you're going to see my conclusion as being a lot more unwarranted than me.

out of fear of being bullied by thread, I don't like this either.

like it makes sense, but in an unnecessary way

can you expand on that a bit? what's unnecessary about it?

you don't need to explain to people why they feel how they feel

sure, but this is a game about communication. it would help me understand your thought process & perspective more if you elaborated on your comment about alison

but hey, live ur life

no that was his point

took me a sec but he was talking about alison explaining to esooa why esooa doesnt trust her