tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:19 pmMichelle is Town. I'm 95% confident.
I have not seen her wolf game which is the sole reason the number is less than a hundred.
I have had a good record of always finding her correctly as town.
She is hitting her town marker of, as Dizzy would say it, the "erect finger tell".
In which she's sternly telling people to shoo off, because she is town and from her point of view she is in the right.
Depending on my mood I can also fall into that kind of playstyle, therefore I can empathize with it.
Realistically there should be nothing stopping Michelle from faking it as wolf, however I am yet to see evidence that she would. I would because I am very passionate about Mafia, to the extend that I wouldn't mind going all-in just for the win, even towards people who are correctly scumreading me. I think a lot of people would feel uncomfortable at the prospect of doing that, though.
I need to be honest. I can't read Long Con. I shouldn't fake the confidence and say a number just for the sake of keeping my "image".
Long Con has often times faked frustration as Mafia. It's not a towntell for him.
He has slanked and been active as either alignment. Neither of these things are towntells or scumtells for him.
Actually let me double think on that claim. Have I seen him active as town? @Long Con would you call yourself as active as Town as you are when you are Mafia?
Am I wrong to think that you are more enthusiastic about the game when you are Mafia or 3P compared to when you are Town?
Anyway. Having contrarian or non-contrarian reads is also a thing I've seen him do as either alignments.
I don't think that people realize just how hard/impossible he is to read.
From my personal and subjective point of view, everyone who claims that they can read Long Con with confidence is faking that confidence.
I don't think the "erect finger tell" applies to Long Con (him sassily telling people how wrong they are when scumreading him and how poorly they're playing). He has done this as Mafia many times. I'm just repeating this @ anyone who is choosing to townread him due to that.
@Esooa Why is Long Con town for you? Sorry if I've missed it.
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:19 pmMichelle is Town. I'm 95% confident.
I have not seen her wolf game which is the sole reason the number is less than a hundred.
I have had a good record of always finding her correctly as town.
She is hitting her town marker of, as Dizzy would say it, the "erect finger tell".
In which she's sternly telling people to shoo off, because she is town and from her point of view she is in the right.
Depending on my mood I can also fall into that kind of playstyle, therefore I can empathize with it.
Realistically there should be nothing stopping Michelle from faking it as wolf, however I am yet to see evidence that she would. I would because I am very passionate about Mafia, to the extend that I wouldn't mind going all-in just for the win, even towards people who are correctly scumreading me. I think a lot of people would feel uncomfortable at the prospect of doing that, though.
Thanks, I can't guarantee that I will check them because I don't know for how long will this current wave of focus will last. If it lasts I will. If it goes away then I won't be able to.
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:50 pm
I don't think the "erect finger tell" applies to Long Con (him sassily telling people how wrong they are when scumreading him and how poorly they're playing). He has done this as Mafia many times. I'm just repeating this @ anyone who is choosing to townread him due to that.
@Esooa Why is Long Con town for you? Sorry if I've missed it.
I can tell you why but I want to see how mafia deal with him first but idk I just want to out reads bro
I’ll come clean team. I have failed you.
I never expected to survive the night. I was very confused about the char flip and I was on my way to a very hot date. We stayed overnight to celebrate my girl bday and vday weekend. Last thing in my mind was the game... I never submitted an action last night.
"that I will check them because I don't know for how long will this current wave of focus last" I wrote this and then I realized I missed a "will" before last. So I put it there and I clicked submit. Now I reread my post again and I put "will" twice in the sentence. I believe this is a sign. If I had trusted myself that the sentence that I was writing was grammatically correct, I should would have ended up with a correct sentence since I already had put a "will" at the front. But I didn't believe in myself, so I ended up with a double "will" and an incorrect sentence. I really do feel enlightened right now. This is why one needs to trust in oneself. So that one will gain the power of will.
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:58 pm
Good morning
why is SPF mafia if Michelle is town
Because
1) Michelle is an underrated player, and while I haven't consistently seen her be accurate, people do underestimate her accuracy and they do so a lot
2) SPF is one of the best scum players I know, and people consistently underestimate / disrespect her scum game by giving her free townreads just because she's being solvy. We almost lost Grasslands, she reached f3, and now here we are again giving her free town reads before she has even chopped a wolf
3) I have a gut feeling that SPF is mafia
2) isn't a salient point. It argues that we shouldn't be towncoring SPF so quickly, but it doesn't show how she's mafia.
Your argument that SPF is mafia if Michelle is town boils down to: Michelle reads people well and she thinks SPF is mafia, and I have a gut feeling that SPF is mafia. Setting aside the gut feeling for the moment, what makes you think Michelle's SPF read is the read to sheep, as opposed to any of her other reads?
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
I’ll come clean team. I have failed you.
I never expected to survive the night. I was very confused about the char flip and I was on my way to a very hot date. We stayed overnight to celebrate my girl bday and vday weekend. Last thing in my mind was the game... I never submitted an action last night.
I’ll come clean team. I have failed you.
I never expected to survive the night. I was very confused about the char flip and I was on my way to a very hot date. We stayed overnight to celebrate my girl bday and vday weekend. Last thing in my mind was the game... I never submitted an action last night.
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:04 pm
2) isn't a salient point. It argues that we shouldn't be towncoring SPF so quickly, but it doesn't show how she's mafia.
Your argument that SPF is mafia if Michelle is town boils down to: Michelle reads people well and she thinks SPF is mafia, and I have a gut feeling that SPF is mafia. Setting aside the gut feeling for the moment, what makes you think Michelle's SPF read is the read to sheep, as opposed to any of her other reads?
2) might not be a salient point but I don't care because I'm town and I'm spewing my thoughts as I go. They are connected. If I was Mafia maybe they would have been more logical and salient but I am not.
I have a gut feeling that SPF is Mafia. That's it. Full stop. The other things that I've mentioned were reinforcements to this. They don't depend on it. I'm not sheeping Michelle.
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:04 pm
2) isn't a salient point. It argues that we shouldn't be towncoring SPF so quickly, but it doesn't show how she's mafia.
Your argument that SPF is mafia if Michelle is town boils down to: Michelle reads people well and she thinks SPF is mafia, and I have a gut feeling that SPF is mafia. Setting aside the gut feeling for the moment, what makes you think Michelle's SPF read is the read to sheep, as opposed to any of her other reads?
2) might not be a salient point but I don't care because I'm town and I'm spewing my thoughts as I go. They are connected. If I was Mafia maybe they would have been more logical and salient but I am not.
I have a gut feeling that SPF is Mafia. That's it. Full stop. The other things that I've mentioned were reinforcements to this. They don't depend on it. I'm not sheeping Michelle.
You said "SPF might be mafia cuz Michelle town", which seems to indicate that your read on SPF is based on Michelle being town?
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
I’ll come clean team. I have failed you.
I never expected to survive the night. I was very confused about the char flip and I was on my way to a very hot date. We stayed overnight to celebrate my girl bday and vday weekend. Last thing in my mind was the game... I never submitted an action last night.
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:04 pm
2) isn't a salient point. It argues that we shouldn't be towncoring SPF so quickly, but it doesn't show how she's mafia.
Your argument that SPF is mafia if Michelle is town boils down to: Michelle reads people well and she thinks SPF is mafia, and I have a gut feeling that SPF is mafia. Setting aside the gut feeling for the moment, what makes you think Michelle's SPF read is the read to sheep, as opposed to any of her other reads?
2) might not be a salient point but I don't care because I'm town and I'm spewing my thoughts as I go. They are connected. If I was Mafia maybe they would have been more logical and salient but I am not.
I have a gut feeling that SPF is Mafia. That's it. Full stop. The other things that I've mentioned were reinforcements to this. They don't depend on it. I'm not sheeping Michelle.
You said "SPF might be mafia cuz Michelle town", which seems to indicate that your read on SPF is based on Michelle being town?
Okay. I said something logically incoherent. I'm town so I don't care.
I’ll come clean team. I have failed you.
I never expected to survive the night. I was very confused about the char flip and I was on my way to a very hot date. We stayed overnight to celebrate my girl bday and vday weekend. Last thing in my mind was the game... I never submitted an action last night.
Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:11 pm
I think the most likely scum rn is doom
I love that you're calling her doom too lol. Everyone please start calling her doom instead of doo. It's 10 times cooler. Doo is like scooby dooby doo. Scaredy cat. Can't even compare to DOOM.
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:07 pm
So why is SPF the read to sheep from Michelle? Michelle hasn't even been banging the SPF drum that much recently.
While catching up i didn't have posts from SPF to read, you say I should tunnel her?
My opinion didn't change, ftr
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:59 pm
I am not moved by LC/Michelle interactions the past page or so.
I'm skimming over Michelle's ISO from this scum game and I'm noticing what I believe to be a pattern of something I haven't seen from her before / or at least not to this degree. I will be selfish and won't say it out loud because I want to have an advantage over her / she might stop doing the thing if I say. But I want to restate my confident townread on Michelle @ everyone who doesn't have her as Town.
a big part of the reason why i find it towny is because of the amount of conviction underlying that post. when she was scum in the finales, her reactions to being scumread were pretty stilted/uncomfortable, but the aggression she showed in that post felt somewhat authentic to me
she also dropped an "i'm not mad, i'm just disappointed"-esque line, and that type of ATE always gets to me lol
I don't think this is out of Michelle's scum range necessarily but I agree it's townie, yeah.
When did you play with scum me to know my scum range Alison?
Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:31 am
I think lc is town
Jeez, don't lose your nerve now!
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:48 pm
I need to be honest. I can't read Long Con. I shouldn't fake the confidence and say a number just for the sake of keeping my "image".
Long Con has often times faked frustration as Mafia. It's not a towntell for him.
He has slanked and been active as either alignment. Neither of these things are towntells or scumtells for him.
Actually let me double think on that claim. Have I seen him active as town? @Long Con would you call yourself as active as Town as you are when you are Mafia?
Am I wrong to think that you are more enthusiastic about the game when you are Mafia or 3P compared to when you are Town?
Anyway. Having contrarian or non-contrarian reads is also a thing I've seen him do as either alignments.
I don't think that people realize just how hard/impossible he is to read.
From my personal and subjective point of view, everyone who claims that they can read Long Con with confidence is faking that confidence.
How active I am depends on when we are talking about in the game
Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:31 am
I think lc is town
Jeez, don't lose your nerve now!
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:48 pm
I need to be honest. I can't read Long Con. I shouldn't fake the confidence and say a number just for the sake of keeping my "image".
Long Con has often times faked frustration as Mafia. It's not a towntell for him.
He has slanked and been active as either alignment. Neither of these things are towntells or scumtells for him.
Actually let me double think on that claim. Have I seen him active as town? @Long Con would you call yourself as active as Town as you are when you are Mafia?
Am I wrong to think that you are more enthusiastic about the game when you are Mafia or 3P compared to when you are Town?
Anyway. Having contrarian or non-contrarian reads is also a thing I've seen him do as either alignments.
I don't think that people realize just how hard/impossible he is to read.
From my personal and subjective point of view, everyone who claims that they can read Long Con with confidence is faking that confidence.
How active I am depends on when we are talking about in the game
More active towards the later part?
In your opinion there's no difference in activity based on your alignment?
there was a game somewhat recently where i got mad at long con for being super petty. i can't find it and i want to draw comparisons. someone please remember thanks
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MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 10:57 am
I don't have the energy to make a 260 post catch up thats fake. That was pure af. I went from no posting to outposting everyone in a catch up. Good luck trying to push me.
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Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:19 am
Dk is inno child by the way. Threadspewed/TMI'd out the ass and has not trended down in terms of tone after being townread by half the game.
disagree, half out of spite
this is both of them distilled down to their very town meta essence... these two posts could nary better summarise who these two people are as town aligned players
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:03 pm
there was a game somewhat recently where i got mad at long con for being super petty. i can't find it and i want to draw comparisons. someone please remember thanks
Was I in it?
Not sure what you define as petty. I like the word frustration. LC does that a lot as Mafia. Not sure if I remember it as Town. Well I remember once when I CC'd him and got him yeeted and I rubbed it in, but that was understandable.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:31 am
Now mi scusi I must go back to bed
beninteso, buonanotte ^^
Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:31 am
I think lc is town
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tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:44 am
My name is Giovanni Giorgio but everybody calls me Giorgio
GG
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:47 am
Sheeping eso cuz shes the goat
Im not calling my vote hehe sue me hehe
never saw Esooa wolfing?
I don't sheep usually, I really make my own reads, explained or not
Now I think LC is v because the wagon is too big. That may be a big balls play from wolves, but idk though
okay what the "wagon is too big" thing makes no sense
imo you're very likely scum by the way
Yeah LC is just outed and has to be bussed so wagon size is irrelevant
I mean his posts are essentially lolcatting and antispew it's not even a debate at this point he's just a goner
Idk about michelle, I didn't really believe she believed her discrediting of mac and I've gone back and forth on her so much she's probably just scum and trying to pull herself back up playing to her meta but falling short a bit on realness of takes
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:03 pm
there was a game somewhat recently where i got mad at long con for being super petty. i can't find it and i want to draw comparisons. someone please remember thanks
Was I in it?
Not sure what you define as petty. I like the word frustration. LC does that a lot as Mafia. Not sure if I remember it as Town. Well I remember once when I CC'd him and got him yeeted and I rubbed it in, but that was understandable.
i checked Grasslands (our only game together, tutuu) and i don't think it was that. i can't even remember what his alignment was. i just remember seeing very similar "you arrogant fools are chopping me, ha ha ha ha so dumb" type posts. it's driving me nuts
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:03 pm
there was a game somewhat recently where i got mad at long con for being super petty. i can't find it and i want to draw comparisons. someone please remember thanks
Was I in it?
Not sure what you define as petty. I like the word frustration. LC does that a lot as Mafia. Not sure if I remember it as Town. Well I remember once when I CC'd him and got him yeeted and I rubbed it in, but that was understandable.
i checked Grasslands (our only game together, tutuu) and i don't think it was that. i can't even remember what his alignment was. i just remember seeing very similar "you arrogant fools are chopping me, ha ha ha ha so dumb" type posts. it's driving me nuts
For some players doing that is a towntell. I can guarantee you it's not a Long Con towntell based off of personal experience of me getting burned by townreading him for that.
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:19 pmMichelle is Town. I'm 95% confident.
I have not seen her wolf game which is the sole reason the number is less than a hundred.
I have had a good record of always finding her correctly as town.
She is hitting her town marker of, as Dizzy would say it, the "erect finger tell".
In which she's sternly telling people to shoo off, because she is town and from her point of view she is in the right.
Depending on my mood I can also fall into that kind of playstyle, therefore I can empathize with it.
Realistically there should be nothing stopping Michelle from faking it as wolf, however I am yet to see evidence that she would. I would because I am very passionate about Mafia, to the extend that I wouldn't mind going all-in just for the win, even towards people who are correctly scumreading me. I think a lot of people would feel uncomfortable at the prospect of doing that, though.
I think she's capable of faking it fwiw, especially as she's heavily leaning on one of her standard broad game philosophy takes in "big wagons bad"
Like that's easy to apply as a general opinion she has but doesn't apply in the case of LC just as it didn't apply on herself in the champs finale
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