Bread Mafia [Game Over]

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Look

Idk if I’ll fight for them long term

But I’d like to not kill doom or Ellie today

And no esooa’s read on Ellie doesn’t sway me at all

who should die

Made, maybe LC

[staypositivefriend]

i ISO'd DOOM and i don't remember why i townread her in the first place. if we do live in EasyWorld where the majority of the scum are in the consensus POE, then DOOM being mafia would not surprise me in the slightest

[staypositivefriend]

i ISO'd DOOM and i don't remember why i townread her in the first place. if we do live in EasyWorld where the majority of the scum are in the consensus POE, then DOOM being mafia would not surprise me in the slightest

fwiw, i feel the same way about made. it bothers me that the best reason i can give for why we might live in a made!town world is: "tone". tone reads are cool, but if my tonal tr on someone doesn't develop into a more fleshed out & logical read, then i start to get concerned

[DkKoba]

esooa if alison and spf are scum why are u voting for neither

[DkKoba]

Look

Idk if I’ll fight for them long term

But I’d like to not kill doom or Ellie today

And no esooa’s read on Ellie doesn’t sway me at all

Why tho

I still kinda think they’re both town!

Relevant to you for Ellie at least, she’s very likely not teamed with Michelle who is in your POE afaik, i don’t think LC is very partnery with her, so that should be enough to buy her a day I’d say

I don’t really have a great argument for doom beyond that it feels like she has strong martin vibes where people often want to SR them when they’re being serious cause they can come across as a bit stilted to those of us more used to the casual syndicate conversational style posting.

can u reword this and explain like im 5?

[Esooa]

Also there was that series of posts by Grogu that was sufficiently off the wall that it probably crossed the line from lolcatting into "this player is sufficiently disconnected from the game that it's sorta townie"

I love the term "sufficiently off the wall" in this post

anyways the reason why is because Alison defended SPF using poor reasons earlier when Tutuu scumread spf, and this was about the same time I got scum vibes from Alison

[Esooa]

esooa if alison and spf are scum why are u voting for neither

because I'm voting Ellie instead

[DkKoba]

whats ur read on longcon?"

[Esooa]

esooa if alison and spf are scum why are u voting for neither

because I'm voting Ellie instead

actual answer is cause I'm not sure on them and they're never gonna be the people I lynch today regardless

[Esooa]

whats ur read on longcon?"

he's pretty town

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Look

Idk if I’ll fight for them long term

But I’d like to not kill doom or Ellie today

And no esooa’s read on Ellie doesn’t sway me at all

Why tho

I still kinda think they’re both town!

Relevant to you for Ellie at least, she’s very likely not teamed with Michelle who is in your POE afaik, i don’t think LC is very partnery with her, so that should be enough to buy her a day I’d say

I don’t really have a great argument for doom beyond that it feels like she has strong martin vibes where people often want to SR them when they’re being serious cause they can come across as a bit stilted to those of us more used to the casual syndicate conversational style posting.

can u reword this and explain like im 5?

Ellie has lower likelihood of being partnered with other people in Mac’s poe, so she has lower likelihood of being mafia in general from his POV.

Doom reminds me of another player that gets scumread wrongly for similar stuff.

[DkKoba]

what makes him town?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

i quickly looked over the Ellie games that Esooa linked. Esooa's right that Bread Ellie looks like neither of them, and i am left shrugging. she's much more assertive here than she was in either of her first two games. the only note i have is from this little quote snippet out of her scum game:

last thing i want to say is that Esooa is a cutie and i thibk her direct playstyle is attractive, got you bitch, i know youre reading this and just got sneak attack hit on.

Ellie expressed admiration for Esooa's directness, and she seems to be living that directness herself this time. i don't really have a conclusion from that and this post is largely pointless but here whatever

[DkKoba]

Look

Idk if I’ll fight for them long term

But I’d like to not kill doom or Ellie today

And no esooa’s read on Ellie doesn’t sway me at all

Why tho

I still kinda think they’re both town!

Relevant to you for Ellie at least, she’s very likely not teamed with Michelle who is in your POE afaik, i don’t think LC is very partnery with her, so that should be enough to buy her a day I’d say

I don’t really have a great argument for doom beyond that it feels like she has strong martin vibes where people often want to SR them when they’re being serious cause they can come across as a bit stilted to those of us more used to the casual syndicate conversational style posting.

can u reword this and explain like im 5?

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

[staypositivefriend]

realistically, i'm probably never going to vote outside of the pool of LC/grogu/made today. i would be shocked if that pool didn't have at least one mafia.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

i would appreciate anyone else's perspective about Made's read on me. i cannot interpret it without gobs of bias, so anyone willing to do old man JJJ a solid?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Look

Idk if I’ll fight for them long term

But I’d like to not kill doom or Ellie today

And no esooa’s read on Ellie doesn’t sway me at all

Why tho

I still kinda think they’re both town!

Relevant to you for Ellie at least, she’s very likely not teamed with Michelle who is in your POE afaik, i don’t think LC is very partnery with her, so that should be enough to buy her a day I’d say

I don’t really have a great argument for doom beyond that it feels like she has strong martin vibes where people often want to SR them when they’re being serious cause they can come across as a bit stilted to those of us more used to the casual syndicate conversational style posting.

can u reword this and explain like im 5?

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

I just did this

[Esooa]

what makes him town?

he's put more effort into solving this game than I've seen from him previously, and while it could be the case that he's doing that because he enjoys mafia more, I Don't think it is. Because I would be surprised if mafia!lc has the motivation to act in this way when likely inevitably being baked regardless. That behavior, that he's trying to solve while progressing towards being baked rather than anti-spewing, trolling, etc, along with the fact he claimed vt, which I wouldn't expect from scum him, makes me think he's town

[Esooa]

realistically, i'm probably never going to vote outside of the pool of LC/grogu/made today. i would be shocked if that pool didn't have at least one mafia.

why not DOOM or ellie

[EllieDelight]

i quickly looked over the Ellie games that Esooa linked. Esooa's right that Bread Ellie looks like neither of them, and i am left shrugging. she's much more assertive here than she was in either of her first two games. the only note i have is from this little quote snippet out of her scum game:

Ellie expressed admiration for Esooa's directness, and she seems to be living that directness herself this time. i don't really have a conclusion from that and this post is largely pointless but here whatever

why does that have to be the one thing you quoted, it makes me look cringe af in front of all the cool people

[JaggedJimmyJay]

gonna have 2,000 posts in a Heist with 24 hours left in Day 1

[Esooa]

i quickly looked over the Ellie games that Esooa linked. Esooa's right that Bread Ellie looks like neither of them, and i am left shrugging. she's much more assertive here than she was in either of her first two games. the only note i have is from this little quote snippet out of her scum game:

Ellie expressed admiration for Esooa's directness, and she seems to be living that directness herself this time. i don't really have a conclusion from that and this post is largely pointless but here whatever

why does that have to be the one thing you quoted, it makes me look cringe af in front of all the cool people

lmao it doesn't make you look cringe

[Long Con]

Hey Jay doesn't LC have to be scum for that read to be valid tho? What does it mean for poor Grogu if LC flips town?

I'm working right now so not really keeping up, so I don't know really what you're talking about, but I am going to flip town, factor that in if you want to make it easier on your brain.

Also I remember having an emotional back and forth with Nanook, but I don't remember which game was with Jay.

Who is bad?

I just want to know if you want a different answer than the last two people who asked, or the same one?

Is repeated post recollection alignment indicative for you, would you say?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

i quickly looked over the Ellie games that Esooa linked. Esooa's right that Bread Ellie looks like neither of them, and i am left shrugging. she's much more assertive here than she was in either of her first two games. the only note i have is from this little quote snippet out of her scum game:

Ellie expressed admiration for Esooa's directness, and she seems to be living that directness herself this time. i don't really have a conclusion from that and this post is largely pointless but here whatever

why does that have to be the one thing you quoted, it makes me look cringe af in front of all the cool people

i think it was a perfectly cool thing to say. face it, you're cool.

[staypositivefriend]

i would appreciate anyone else's perspective about Made's read on me. i cannot interpret it without gobs of bias, so anyone willing to do old man JJJ a solid?

the thing that bothers me the most about made's read on you is the dissonance between their level of confidence vs the reasoning they've presented in the thread

like, when you questioned made about his read on you, he gave you this answer:

U just seem bad. I’m not looking to vote you rn, and Mac seems to trust u so I’m not obsessed, but ur takes just feel like they could come from scum

and that answer is fine - it seems to come w/a willingness to give your alignment consideration and to not come after you too aggressively

but it contrasts very awkwardly with this post:

I think nutella is shifty because of interaction with JJJ who is my biggest scum read

made says that you are his strongest scumread, and he feels so confident about you being mafia that he is willing to base his other reads on pre-flip partner associations. that isn't inherently scummy, but it feels inconsistent with how understated and passive made's explanation of his read on you has been. it makes me concerned that made is not authentically trying to read you

[DkKoba]

Look

Idk if I’ll fight for them long term

But I’d like to not kill doom or Ellie today

And no esooa’s read on Ellie doesn’t sway me at all

Why tho

I still kinda think they’re both town!

Relevant to you for Ellie at least, she’s very likely not teamed with Michelle who is in your POE afaik, i don’t think LC is very partnery with her, so that should be enough to buy her a day I’d say

I don’t really have a great argument for doom beyond that it feels like she has strong martin vibes where people often want to SR them when they’re being serious cause they can come across as a bit stilted to those of us more used to the casual syndicate conversational style posting.

can u reword this and explain like im 5?

Ellie has lower likelihood of being partnered with other people in Mac’s poe, so she has lower likelihood of being mafia in general from his POV.

Doom reminds me of another player that gets scumread wrongly for similar stuff.

ok well this seems extremely vague and noncommittal

how strong is this read to you?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

i quickly looked over the Ellie games that Esooa linked. Esooa's right that Bread Ellie looks like neither of them, and i am left shrugging. she's much more assertive here than she was in either of her first two games. the only note i have is from this little quote snippet out of her scum game:

Ellie expressed admiration for Esooa's directness, and she seems to be living that directness herself this time. i don't really have a conclusion from that and this post is largely pointless but here whatever

why does that have to be the one thing you quoted, it makes me look cringe af in front of all the cool people

We celebrated hitting 696969 posts

I don’t think you have to worry about looking cringe

[JaggedJimmyJay]

thanks @staypositivefriend. i agree at least that it doesn't seem a balanced or consistent progression with respect to his confidence level. not sure that's "bad", but at the least it's not "good"

[staypositivefriend]

realistically, i'm probably never going to vote outside of the pool of LC/grogu/made today. i would be shocked if that pool didn't have at least one mafia.

why not DOOM or ellie

i could probably be talked into scumreading both of those people, tbqh, but they aren't at the bottom of my POE right now. if you have a god scumread on ellie, then it's something i'll put a lot of consideration into, though

[Long Con]

I think lc is town

this is false, you think lc is mafia

i don't understand the dynamic between you two and cannot tell if/when something is a joke, e.g. this

Ellie doesn't want to let go of an easy town yeet, because if you A-listers are even mostly right about who is town/towncore, then losing a scum such as Ellie in the first Day would be devastating.

[DkKoba]

what makes him town?

he's put more effort into solving this game than I've seen from him previously, and while it could be the case that he's doing that because he enjoys mafia more, I Don't think it is. Because I would be surprised if mafia!lc has the motivation to act in this way when likely inevitably being baked regardless. That behavior, that he's trying to solve while progressing towards being baked rather than anti-spewing, trolling, etc, along with the fact he claimed vt, which I wouldn't expect from scum him, makes me think he's town

have u played with them being mafia to know this? or is this u just assuming?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Look

Idk if I’ll fight for them long term

But I’d like to not kill doom or Ellie today

And no esooa’s read on Ellie doesn’t sway me at all

Why tho

I still kinda think they’re both town!

Relevant to you for Ellie at least, she’s very likely not teamed with Michelle who is in your POE afaik, i don’t think LC is very partnery with her, so that should be enough to buy her a day I’d say

I don’t really have a great argument for doom beyond that it feels like she has strong martin vibes where people often want to SR them when they’re being serious cause they can come across as a bit stilted to those of us more used to the casual syndicate conversational style posting.

can u reword this and explain like im 5?

Ellie has lower likelihood of being partnered with other people in Mac’s poe, so she has lower likelihood of being mafia in general from his POV.

Doom reminds me of another player that gets scumread wrongly for similar stuff.

ok well this seems extremely vague and noncommittal

how strong is this read to you?

You seem vague and noncommittal

Strong enough I don’t want them to die D1

[Esooa]

what makes him town?

he's put more effort into solving this game than I've seen from him previously, and while it could be the case that he's doing that because he enjoys mafia more, I Don't think it is. Because I would be surprised if mafia!lc has the motivation to act in this way when likely inevitably being baked regardless. That behavior, that he's trying to solve while progressing towards being baked rather than anti-spewing, trolling, etc, along with the fact he claimed vt, which I wouldn't expect from scum him, makes me think he's town

have u played with them being mafia to know this? or is this u just assuming?

I'm making assumptions cause I feel like it

[nutella]

ok so it seems like ellie is probably mafia

[Long Con]

You are saying Ellie is lying about the amount of games she's played when that's straight up not true

You are her lawyer or what?
What from i wanted an interaction with her was not in english?
Is not like you have a ton of experience yourself and when you jump and stop an interaction not adressed at you accusing someone of bulshitting you have to explain why becasue is not a natural behaviour. And the fact you know her irl is not relevant for the game.

Remember you didn't want to explain earlier how do you perceive the gamestate because allegedly you waited for content, but you can't observe you can stay in your place when the convo is about someone else.

where is your head at?

Sounds to me like Esooa still feels a little responsible for Ellie's Mafia experience, which I would understand.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

[DkKoba]

Look

Idk if I’ll fight for them long term

But I’d like to not kill doom or Ellie today

And no esooa’s read on Ellie doesn’t sway me at all

Why tho

I still kinda think they’re both town!

Relevant to you for Ellie at least, she’s very likely not teamed with Michelle who is in your POE afaik, i don’t think LC is very partnery with her, so that should be enough to buy her a day I’d say

I don’t really have a great argument for doom beyond that it feels like she has strong martin vibes where people often want to SR them when they’re being serious cause they can come across as a bit stilted to those of us more used to the casual syndicate conversational style posting.

can u reword this and explain like im 5?

Ellie has lower likelihood of being partnered with other people in Mac’s poe, so she has lower likelihood of being mafia in general from his POV.

Doom reminds me of another player that gets scumread wrongly for similar stuff.

ok well this seems extremely vague and noncommittal

how strong is this read to you?

You seem vague and noncommittal

Strong enough I don’t want them to die D1

I'm not but ok. What's ur PoE rn?

[nutella]

@esooa - why does an alison!scum world imply a scum!spf world? i'm curious about the connection there

idr why right now but I super strongly got that feeling from some of your posts on my catchup

i had thought about that world as well, wonder if the fact that we both kinda feel it ~means something~

[Long Con]

ok so it seems like ellie is probably mafia

You heard it here first. But I'm a nasty busser, so it might not mean all that much. Still.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Why tho

I still kinda think they’re both town!

Relevant to you for Ellie at least, she’s very likely not teamed with Michelle who is in your POE afaik, i don’t think LC is very partnery with her, so that should be enough to buy her a day I’d say

I don’t really have a great argument for doom beyond that it feels like she has strong martin vibes where people often want to SR them when they’re being serious cause they can come across as a bit stilted to those of us more used to the casual syndicate conversational style posting.

can u reword this and explain like im 5?

Ellie has lower likelihood of being partnered with other people in Mac’s poe, so she has lower likelihood of being mafia in general from his POV.

Doom reminds me of another player that gets scumread wrongly for similar stuff.

ok well this seems extremely vague and noncommittal

how strong is this read to you?

You seem vague and noncommittal

Strong enough I don’t want them to die D1

I'm not but ok. What's ur PoE rn?

Today it’s made and LC basically

[DkKoba]

what makes him town?

he's put more effort into solving this game than I've seen from him previously, and while it could be the case that he's doing that because he enjoys mafia more, I Don't think it is. Because I would be surprised if mafia!lc has the motivation to act in this way when likely inevitably being baked regardless. That behavior, that he's trying to solve while progressing towards being baked rather than anti-spewing, trolling, etc, along with the fact he claimed vt, which I wouldn't expect from scum him, makes me think he's town

have u played with them being mafia to know this? or is this u just assuming?

I'm making assumptions cause I feel like it

So without assuming, whats ur read there?

[Long Con]

You are saying Ellie is lying about the amount of games she's played when that's straight up not true

You are her lawyer or what?
What from i wanted an interaction with her was not in english?
Is not like you have a ton of experience yourself and when you jump and stop an interaction not adressed at you accusing someone of bulshitting you have to explain why becasue is not a natural behaviour. And the fact you know her irl is not relevant for the game.

Remember you didn't want to explain earlier how do you perceive the gamestate because allegedly you waited for content, but you can't observe you can stay in your place when the convo is about someone else.

where is your head at?

you are literally

straight up

lying

about verifiable, numerical, things

for no fucking reason

so I am telling you to stop

I don’t want to stop
I don't lie, i was saying your friend is too bold to be a noob.
That's not lying, is showing my opinion
You can't shot my mouth by being rude.
I want to talk with Ellie, not you.
I have a read for you.

@EllieDelight explain me how you see your game, what alignament was nicer for you to play, and what's your goal when playing.

she ISN'T too bold to be a newb because she is a newb, this is literally factual, it isn't an opinion, it is factually correct that she is new to mafia and you can either acknowledge that or just be factually incorrect

Kind of a compliment, isn't it?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

i have no reason to call Ellie town. my only reason for sparing her is "Nanook requested it", which means a non-zero amount. i am open

someone's gonna call me her teammate later if she flips mafia because of this post

[staypositivefriend]

ok so it seems like ellie is probably mafia

You heard it here first. But I'm a nasty busser, so it might not mean all that much. Still.

this post contrasts awkwardly w/LC making the "haha, you guys have so much egg on your face"-type posts. i don't understand how he can make posts that come across as borderline open wolfing while simultaneously putting down the town for misreading him

unless he just wants to watch the world burn

[Long Con]

I still kinda think they’re both town!

Relevant to you for Ellie at least, she’s very likely not teamed with Michelle who is in your POE afaik, i don’t think LC is very partnery with her, so that should be enough to buy her a day I’d say

I don’t really have a great argument for doom beyond that it feels like she has strong martin vibes where people often want to SR them when they’re being serious cause they can come across as a bit stilted to those of us more used to the casual syndicate conversational style posting.

can u reword this and explain like im 5?

Ellie has lower likelihood of being partnered with other people in Mac’s poe, so she has lower likelihood of being mafia in general from his POV.

Doom reminds me of another player that gets scumread wrongly for similar stuff.

ok well this seems extremely vague and noncommittal

how strong is this read to you?

You seem vague and noncommittal

Strong enough I don’t want them to die D1

I'm not but ok. What's ur PoE rn?

Today it’s made and LC basically

How about you start again and reconsider that?

[Long Con]

ok so it seems like ellie is probably mafia

You heard it here first. But I'm a nasty busser, so it might not mean all that much. Still.

this post contrasts awkwardly w/LC making the "haha, you guys have so much egg on your face"-type posts. i don't understand how he can make posts that come across as borderline open wolfing while simultaneously putting down the town for misreading him

unless he just wants to watch the world burn

Just because you decide something is "openwolfing", it doesn't mean that's my intention.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

i have no reason to call Ellie town. my only reason for sparing her is "Nanook requested it", which means a non-zero amount. i am open

someone's gonna call me her teammate later if she flips mafia because of this post

They’ll probably call me mafia first lol

[staypositivefriend]

the fact that esooa scumreads ellie might be significant. she probably has the best baseline for what constitutes ellie's scum game vs her town game, and i'm leaning town on her

[nutella]

what makes him town?

he's put more effort into solving this game than I've seen from him previously, and while it could be the case that he's doing that because he enjoys mafia more, I Don't think it is. Because I would be surprised if mafia!lc has the motivation to act in this way when likely inevitably being baked regardless. That behavior, that he's trying to solve while progressing towards being baked rather than anti-spewing, trolling, etc, along with the fact he claimed vt, which I wouldn't expect from scum him, makes me think he's town

show me where he tries to solve?

i remember him tossing out "alison and nanook are scum" a bunch of times but like.... nothing with remotely any depth of reasoning

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

can u reword this and explain like im 5?

Ellie has lower likelihood of being partnered with other people in Mac’s poe, so she has lower likelihood of being mafia in general from his POV.

Doom reminds me of another player that gets scumread wrongly for similar stuff.

ok well this seems extremely vague and noncommittal

how strong is this read to you?

You seem vague and noncommittal

Strong enough I don’t want them to die D1

I'm not but ok. What's ur PoE rn?

Today it’s made and LC basically

How about you start again and reconsider that?

Unlikely to happen atp