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[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think I’m the only person that has placed a vote on Grogu all day

[Long Con]

The only LC read that completely makes me go DA FUK is Grogu

I don’t agree with the Mac read. People gonna bias

I literally caught him in a TMI scumslip. How am I biased?

[Esooa]

The only LC read that completely makes me go DA FUK is Grogu

I don’t agree with the Mac read. People gonna bias

I literally caught him in a TMI scumslip. How am I biased?

ok, but did you even consider that people just talk like that, and also the person he said was town in his slip was Ellie, which means if you think it's a TMI slip you have to assume Mac is scum and Ellie is town.

[Michelle]

Long Con
JaggedJimmyJay
tutuu
DkKoba
Grogu
Michelle
nutella
DaughterOfOmega
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
staypositivefriend
Esooa
Alison
Made
EllieDelight
MacDougall

I love my colour here, i have few Lego bricks in that light green hue

Why is Grogu so high?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The only LC read that completely makes me go DA FUK is Grogu

I don’t agree with the Mac read. People gonna bias

I literally caught him in a TMI scumslip. How am I biased?

Yeah I don’t agree with that interpretation.

I think you’d be more likely to suspect Mac than the average bear if you’re town because he is doing his “my suspect is confirmed mafia foregone conclusion” thing

[Long Con]

Long Con
JaggedJimmyJay
tutuu
DkKoba
Grogu
Michelle
nutella
DaughterOfOmega
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
staypositivefriend
Esooa
Alison
Made
EllieDelight
MacDougall

is this a real list

Yes, this is where my belief about the gamestate currently lies.

mac is pretty obviously town and I have no clue how I'm that low if you think Ellie is scum and I'm trying to get her baked over you. Also, explain your DOOM, Grogu, and nutella reads

That's a fine opinion on Joseph, you could be right, I disagree.

You're that low mostly from residual bad feelings from Joseph's analysis of you.

DOOM... I haven't felt bad about, don't really know her at all so it's harder.

Grogu I have always maintained that he's probably town. I think he's simply honest.

nutella is hard to read... she just kind of settled there. I suspect her less than those beneath her.

[Long Con]

The only LC read that completely makes me go DA FUK is Grogu

I don’t agree with the Mac read. People gonna bias

I literally caught him in a TMI scumslip. How am I biased?

Yeah I don’t agree with that interpretation.

I think you’d be more likely to suspect Mac than the average bear if you’re town because he is doing his “my suspect is confirmed mafia foregone conclusion” thing

Not really, I'm extremely used to that.

[Esooa]

Long Con
JaggedJimmyJay
tutuu
DkKoba
Grogu
Michelle
nutella
DaughterOfOmega
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
staypositivefriend
Esooa
Alison
Made
EllieDelight
MacDougall

is this a real list

Yes, this is where my belief about the gamestate currently lies.

mac is pretty obviously town and I have no clue how I'm that low if you think Ellie is scum and I'm trying to get her baked over you. Also, explain your DOOM, Grogu, and nutella reads

That's a fine opinion on Joseph, you could be right, I disagree.

You're that low mostly from residual bad feelings from Joseph's analysis of you.

DOOM... I haven't felt bad about, don't really know her at all so it's harder.

Grogu I have always maintained that he's probably town. I think he's simply honest.

nutella is hard to read... she just kind of settled there. I suspect her less than those beneath her.

your read on me is based on mac scum reading me, the same mac you have at the bottom of your list?

[Esooa]

LC, I think you forgot Marmot in your tier list

[Long Con]

Long Con
JaggedJimmyJay
tutuu
DkKoba
Grogu
Michelle
nutella
DaughterOfOmega
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
staypositivefriend
Esooa
Alison
Made
EllieDelight
MacDougall

is this a real list

Yes, this is where my belief about the gamestate currently lies.

mac is pretty obviously town and I have no clue how I'm that low if you think Ellie is scum and I'm trying to get her baked over you. Also, explain your DOOM, Grogu, and nutella reads

That's a fine opinion on Joseph, you could be right, I disagree.

You're that low mostly from residual bad feelings from Joseph's analysis of you.

DOOM... I haven't felt bad about, don't really know her at all so it's harder.

Grogu I have always maintained that he's probably town. I think he's simply honest.

nutella is hard to read... she just kind of settled there. I suspect her less than those beneath her.

your read on me is based on mac scum reading me, the same mac you have at the bottom of your list?

Yes.

[Long Con]

Well, not my whole read, just the bad feelings.

[Esooa]

I am so confused

[Long Con]

I am so confused

You expect me to commit to my reads as though I can't be wrong?

[Esooa]

I'd assume this is town indicative of LC cause idk why he'd want to step on the toes of the only person who actually TR's him but I just am so confused

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Not sure Esooa is trying very hard to understand LC here

[Esooa]

Not sure Esooa is trying very hard to understand LC here

I get him not wanting to base his read on me only on how I align with other players but like you realize I am strongly anti-aligned to BOTH his biggest scum reads?

[Long Con]

I'd assume this is town indicative of LC cause idk why he'd want to step on the toes of the only person who actually TR's him but I just am so confused

So I should townread people who townread me? Like... pocketing exists, right? I don't think it would be a solid strategy.

[Esooa]

I'd assume this is town indicative of LC cause idk why he'd want to step on the toes of the only person who actually TR's him but I just am so confused

So I should townread people who townread me? Like... pocketing exists, right? I don't think it would be a solid strategy.

I'm saying you would do that IF you were mafia, do you disagree?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Not sure Esooa is trying very hard to understand LC here

I get him not wanting to base his read on me only on how I align with other players but like you realize I am strongly anti-aligned to BOTH his biggest scum reads?

so what? it’s a rainbow list, not a claim that the team is solved. reads in isolation aren’t some crazy thing.

why is he still a town read for you?

[Long Con]

Not sure Esooa is trying very hard to understand LC here

I get him not wanting to base his read on me only on how I align with other players but like you realize I am strongly anti-aligned to BOTH his biggest scum reads?

Maybe your reads are always correct, but mine are not. I can do that without cognitive dissonance.

[Long Con]

I'd assume this is town indicative of LC cause idk why he'd want to step on the toes of the only person who actually TR's him but I just am so confused

So I should townread people who townread me? Like... pocketing exists, right? I don't think it would be a solid strategy.

I'm saying you would do that IF you were mafia, do you disagree?

I do disagree. I relish using strategies like that just for the deep WIFOM.

[Esooa]

Not sure Esooa is trying very hard to understand LC here

I get him not wanting to base his read on me only on how I align with other players but like you realize I am strongly anti-aligned to BOTH his biggest scum reads?

so what? it’s a rainbow list, not a claim that the team is solved. reads in isolation aren’t some crazy thing.

why is he still a town read for you?

idk, maybe that's normal for you or him but I wouldn't ever read a game like this. Like I mean it's fine but, imo, if you're of the opinion that a player in the game is pushing mafia and shielding town, it's probably reasonable to make the conclusion they're town. Even if you're not sure like, this is still where your thoughts are at. I'd assume the read to be more like, "as it currently stands I think Esooa is town," not "I don't really care that they're acting pro-town cause MAYBE THEY:"RE SCUM"

As for why he's a town read, idk. I'm trying to figure him out. And Ellie too. I've seen LC do things that are towny and all I've gotten from Ellie when I accuse her is "I have reasons for this I'm not going to out" which gives me literally nothing so she can die until she does actually explain things

[Esooa]

I'd assume this is town indicative of LC cause idk why he'd want to step on the toes of the only person who actually TR's him but I just am so confused

So I should townread people who townread me? Like... pocketing exists, right? I don't think it would be a solid strategy.

I'm saying you would do that IF you were mafia, do you disagree?

I do disagree. I relish using strategies like that just for the deep WIFOM.

I'm aware, but the fact you don't know me gives me pause. I'm not sure you would go for some kinda "deep wifom" if you're not even sure how I would respond to the read

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@Esooa why frame your LC read as a comparison to Ellie?

[Esooa]

@Esooa why frame your LC read as a comparison to Ellie?

cause I'm straight up not living in a world where they're ever t/t, and I think it's likely they're w/w, along with the fact that if they are none of this matters rn and we're always baking a wolf and can go from there, and I think because of interactions+just both of them being so low in PoE+vote movement they're more likely w/t

[Esooa]

and I don't think it's likely they're w/w*

[Long Con]

I'd assume this is town indicative of LC cause idk why he'd want to step on the toes of the only person who actually TR's him but I just am so confused

So I should townread people who townread me? Like... pocketing exists, right? I don't think it would be a solid strategy.

I'm saying you would do that IF you were mafia, do you disagree?

I do disagree. I relish using strategies like that just for the deep WIFOM.

I'm aware, but the fact you don't know me gives me pause. I'm not sure you would go for some kinda "deep wifom" if you're not even sure how I would respond to the read

I'm not trying to convince you I'm scum here. I'm not going for any WIFOM this time, these are just my current opinions.

[Long Con]

@Esooa why frame your LC read as a comparison to Ellie?

cause I'm straight up not living in a world where they're ever t/t

Why?? You don't know that. From my perspective, you're saying Ellie is 100% definitely bad. I don't think that.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@Esooa why frame your LC read as a comparison to Ellie?

cause I'm straight up not living in a world where they're ever t/t, and I think it's likely they're w/w, along with the fact that if they are none of this matters rn and we're always baking a wolf and can go from there, and I think because of interactions+just both of them being so low in PoE+vote movement they're more likely w/t

Why do you refuse the town/town theory?

[Esooa]

@Esooa why frame your LC read as a comparison to Ellie?

cause I'm straight up not living in a world where they're ever t/t, and I think it's likely they're w/w, along with the fact that if they are none of this matters rn and we're always baking a wolf and can go from there, and I think because of interactions+just both of them being so low in PoE+vote movement they're more likely w/t

Why do you refuse the town/town theory?

why should I ever believe it?

[Long Con]

@Esooa why frame your LC read as a comparison to Ellie?

cause I'm straight up not living in a world where they're ever t/t, and I think it's likely they're w/w, along with the fact that if they are none of this matters rn and we're always baking a wolf and can go from there, and I think because of interactions+just both of them being so low in PoE+vote movement they're more likely w/t

Why do you refuse the town/town theory?

why should I ever believe it?

You don't have to believe it, but "I'm straight up not living in a world where they're ever t/t" is a pretty wild statement to make for a villager. You can see how that looks like you are scum lining up town yeets, right?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Why do you refuse the town/town theory?

why should I ever believe it?

To an uninformed day 1 civilian there is no objective reason why that must be the play. I find your mindset more confusing than Long Con’s.

[Esooa]

@Esooa why frame your LC read as a comparison to Ellie?

cause I'm straight up not living in a world where they're ever t/t, and I think it's likely they're w/w, along with the fact that if they are none of this matters rn and we're always baking a wolf and can go from there, and I think because of interactions+just both of them being so low in PoE+vote movement they're more likely w/t

Why do you refuse the town/town theory?

why should I ever believe it?

You don't have to believe it, but "I'm straight up not living in a world where they're ever t/t" is a pretty wild statement to make for a villager. You can see how that looks like you are scum lining up town yeets, right?

nope I can't

[Esooa]

Why do you refuse the town/town theory?

why should I ever believe it?

To an uninformed day 1 civilian there is no objective reason why that must be the play. I find your mindset more confusing than Long Con’s.

because I'm playing a game where I make informed decisions, and my informed decision is that if they're t/t I'm not ever getting there today, it's not useful to consider, it's extremely unlikely based on how they've both acted and how people have acted around them, etc etc etc etc there's a million reasons to think this and this is actually the usual way to play mafia

[Long Con]

@Esooa why frame your LC read as a comparison to Ellie?

cause I'm straight up not living in a world where they're ever t/t, and I think it's likely they're w/w, along with the fact that if they are none of this matters rn and we're always baking a wolf and can go from there, and I think because of interactions+just both of them being so low in PoE+vote movement they're more likely w/t

Why do you refuse the town/town theory?

why should I ever believe it?

You don't have to believe it, but "I'm straight up not living in a world where they're ever t/t" is a pretty wild statement to make for a villager. You can see how that looks like you are scum lining up town yeets, right?

nope I can't

Ok... then you can see how this looks like some brand of tunneling then?

[Esooa]

Ok... then you can see how this looks like some brand of tunneling then?

my concern for what it looks like is close to zero

[Long Con]

Why do you refuse the town/town theory?

why should I ever believe it?

To an uninformed day 1 civilian there is no objective reason why that must be the play. I find your mindset more confusing than Long Con’s.

because I'm playing a game where I make informed decisions, and my informed decision is that if they're t/t I'm not ever getting there today, it's not useful to consider, it's extremely unlikely based on how they've both acted and how people have acted around them, etc etc etc etc there's a million reasons to think this and this is actually the usual way to play mafia

How Ellie acts has had little to no impact on how I have chosen to act. You're talking like there's some connection between us.

[Esooa]

Why do you refuse the town/town theory?

why should I ever believe it?

To an uninformed day 1 civilian there is no objective reason why that must be the play. I find your mindset more confusing than Long Con’s.

because I'm playing a game where I make informed decisions, and my informed decision is that if they're t/t I'm not ever getting there today, it's not useful to consider, it's extremely unlikely based on how they've both acted and how people have acted around them, etc etc etc etc there's a million reasons to think this and this is actually the usual way to play mafia

How Ellie acts has had little to no impact on how I have chosen to act. You're talking like there's some connection between us.

yes it does. How Ellie has acted is both extremely scummy and anti-aligned to you

[Long Con]

Ok... then you can see how this looks like some brand of tunneling then?

my concern for what it looks like is close to zero

Yeah... it's a concern for us to have, not you, I guess.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Why do you refuse the town/town theory?

why should I ever believe it?

To an uninformed day 1 civilian there is no objective reason why that must be the play. I find your mindset more confusing than Long Con’s.

because I'm playing a game where I make informed decisions, and my informed decision is that if they're t/t I'm not ever getting there today, it's not useful to consider, it's extremely unlikely based on how they've both acted and how people have acted around them, etc etc etc etc there's a million reasons to think this and this is actually the usual way to play mafia

I’ve played hundreds of games on two dozen sites. I assure you “the usual way to play mafia” is not that, nor anything happening in this game frankly. By the standards of the internet at large, we’re all weird.

Anyway, I don’t really feel the Esooa/LC team theory.

[Long Con]

Why do you refuse the town/town theory?

why should I ever believe it?

To an uninformed day 1 civilian there is no objective reason why that must be the play. I find your mindset more confusing than Long Con’s.

because I'm playing a game where I make informed decisions, and my informed decision is that if they're t/t I'm not ever getting there today, it's not useful to consider, it's extremely unlikely based on how they've both acted and how people have acted around them, etc etc etc etc there's a million reasons to think this and this is actually the usual way to play mafia

How Ellie acts has had little to no impact on how I have chosen to act. You're talking like there's some connection between us.

yes it does. How Ellie has acted is both extremely scummy and anti-aligned to you

Scummy, sure. How is it anti-aligned to me? Because I was voting for her?

[Long Con]

Why do you refuse the town/town theory?

why should I ever believe it?

To an uninformed day 1 civilian there is no objective reason why that must be the play. I find your mindset more confusing than Long Con’s.

because I'm playing a game where I make informed decisions, and my informed decision is that if they're t/t I'm not ever getting there today, it's not useful to consider, it's extremely unlikely based on how they've both acted and how people have acted around them, etc etc etc etc there's a million reasons to think this and this is actually the usual way to play mafia

I’ve played hundreds of games on two dozen sites. I assure you “the usual way to play mafia” is not that, nor anything happening in this game frankly. By the standards of the internet at large, we’re all weird.

I'm pretty sure I have very few "usual ways" in how I go about things in Mafia.

[Esooa]

Why do you refuse the town/town theory?

why should I ever believe it?

To an uninformed day 1 civilian there is no objective reason why that must be the play. I find your mindset more confusing than Long Con’s.

because I'm playing a game where I make informed decisions, and my informed decision is that if they're t/t I'm not ever getting there today, it's not useful to consider, it's extremely unlikely based on how they've both acted and how people have acted around them, etc etc etc etc there's a million reasons to think this and this is actually the usual way to play mafia

How Ellie acts has had little to no impact on how I have chosen to act. You're talking like there's some connection between us.

yes it does. How Ellie has acted is both extremely scummy and anti-aligned to you

Scummy, sure. How is it anti-aligned to me? Because I was voting for her?

I dunno, maybe it's the case she is actually teamed with you. I'll have to look cause she could have just been bussing you ig

[Esooa]

but I seriously have no fuckin idea where jjj is coming at this from being like "maybe the most consensus scum read person in the game and your top scum read are both town, I have no reasons at all to think this but just consider it so you can humor implausibilities for me"

[Long Con]

why should I ever believe it?

To an uninformed day 1 civilian there is no objective reason why that must be the play. I find your mindset more confusing than Long Con’s.

because I'm playing a game where I make informed decisions, and my informed decision is that if they're t/t I'm not ever getting there today, it's not useful to consider, it's extremely unlikely based on how they've both acted and how people have acted around them, etc etc etc etc there's a million reasons to think this and this is actually the usual way to play mafia

How Ellie acts has had little to no impact on how I have chosen to act. You're talking like there's some connection between us.

yes it does. How Ellie has acted is both extremely scummy and anti-aligned to you

Scummy, sure. How is it anti-aligned to me? Because I was voting for her?

I dunno, maybe it's the case she is actually teamed with you. I'll have to look cause she could have just been bussing you ig

Well, ok, I was really going for "it's not impossible to be t/t", not that.

[Esooa]

Well, ok, I was really going for "it's not impossible to be t/t", not that.

hehe well too bad ur not both town

[Esooa]

I think the chance this game has mafia and neither of them are LC or Ellie is lower than the chance this game has all town

[Long Con]

but I seriously have no fuckin idea where jjj is coming at this from being like "maybe the most consensus scum read person in the game and your top scum read are both town, I have no reasons at all to think this but just consider it so you can humor implausibilities for me"

You're just not usually wrong, is that it? I don't have such confidence in my own reads, like, ever. That's why I don't understand.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

but I seriously have no fuckin idea where jjj is coming at this from being like "maybe the most consensus scum read person in the game and your top scum read are both town, I have no reasons at all to think this but just consider it so you can humor implausibilities for me"

I am willing to believe that you find it pointless. I don’t think that dismissive mindset accurately reflects the degree of suspicion earned by the two players in question. You’ve decided your read and that you don’t want to reconsider. If that’s what you want to do, be my guest.

[Esooa]

but I seriously have no fuckin idea where jjj is coming at this from being like "maybe the most consensus scum read person in the game and your top scum read are both town, I have no reasons at all to think this but just consider it so you can humor implausibilities for me"

You're just not usually wrong, is that it? I don't have such confidence in my own reads, like, ever. That's why I don't understand.

/shrug

I'm wrong decently often but if I'm to try and figure things out I need to make decisions, you can't just be lost in a nebulae