Bread Mafia [Game Over]

[DaughterOfOmega]

I find that my reads are so contrarian that posting them would just get me scum read, but I don't play mafia like a scared person.

SPF
Alison
Koba
Esooa
Michelle
tutuu
Nanook
Grogu
Jay
Made
Nutella
Ellie

[nutella]

Mafia is probably Alison Esooa and DoO or Grugu.

I realize that's probably not very popular, but don't worry it'll work out. i'm pretty hard to lynch when i'm a civvie from what i remember last time i've been in this position.

what y'all got for me?

we are baking ellie today. what is your opinion on ellie

she's probably civvie,
off the the top the working theory is mafia went along with the hammer to frame ellie and get an easy lynch on me

how does the part about you follow? why are you an easy target after an ellie mischop?

[Made]

Mafia is probably Alison Esooa and DoO or Grugu.

I realize that's probably not very popular, but don't worry it'll work out. i'm pretty hard to lynch when i'm a civvie from what i remember last time i've been in this position.

what y'all got for me?

we are baking ellie today. what is your opinion on ellie

she's probably civvie,
off the the top the working theory is mafia went along with the hammer to frame ellie and get an easy lynch on me

killing mac would of hopefully killed the idea that LC was the common denominator of Esooa. She posted like she had tmi on LC, which is why he voted that way

if i were bad, my teammates would be making this argument not me, but that's wifom--and some wild ass ball'd wifom at that. if you're going to apply Occums razor in a mafia game (which you shouldn't because wifom, Alison???), it makes sense to apply it here

[nutella]

I find that my reads are so contrarian that posting them would just get me scum read, but I don't play mafia like a scared person.

SPF
Alison
Koba
Esooa
Michelle
tutuu
Nanook
Grogu
Jay
Made
Nutella
Ellie

not gonna prod on my placement bc you aren't familiar with me and it's pretty normal for me to get scumread by people who don't know my style

but why is spf your clearest town? help me out there?

[Made]

Mafia is probably Alison Esooa and DoO or Grugu.

I realize that's probably not very popular, but don't worry it'll work out. i'm pretty hard to lynch when i'm a civvie from what i remember last time i've been in this position.

what y'all got for me?

we are baking ellie today. what is your opinion on ellie

she's probably civvie,
off the the top the working theory is mafia went along with the hammer to frame ellie and get an easy lynch on me

how does the part about you follow? why are you an easy target after an ellie mischop?

i was very vocal on Esooa x LC, in that way him fliping town makes me pretty scapable. I'm more an easy target after we go through ellie, not because of an ellie mischop

[nutella]

tbh swap jay and michelle in my list

jay is townier, michelle and spf at roughly the same level, think it's decently likely one or both of them is wolfing


i softened on michelle a lot but tbh don't think she's out of scum range at all and her reads keep making me go "huh" in a way i dont usually feel from town michelle

[nutella]

Mafia is probably Alison Esooa and DoO or Grugu.

I realize that's probably not very popular, but don't worry it'll work out. i'm pretty hard to lynch when i'm a civvie from what i remember last time i've been in this position.

what y'all got for me?

we are baking ellie today. what is your opinion on ellie

she's probably civvie,
off the the top the working theory is mafia went along with the hammer to frame ellie and get an easy lynch on me

killing mac would of hopefully killed the idea that LC was the common denominator of Esooa. She posted like she had tmi on LC, which is why he voted that way

if i were bad, my teammates would be making this argument not me, but that's wifom--and some wild ass ball'd wifom at that. if you're going to apply Occums razor in a mafia game (which you shouldn't because wifom, Alison???), it makes sense to apply it here

i.... dont really follow

[Made]

Let's shift our focus to Made please. He is a member of the Mafia.

et tu tutuu?

[nutella]

Mafia is probably Alison Esooa and DoO or Grugu.

I realize that's probably not very popular, but don't worry it'll work out. i'm pretty hard to lynch when i'm a civvie from what i remember last time i've been in this position.

what y'all got for me?

we are baking ellie today. what is your opinion on ellie

she's probably civvie,
off the the top the working theory is mafia went along with the hammer to frame ellie and get an easy lynch on me

how does the part about you follow? why are you an easy target after an ellie mischop?

i was very vocal on Esooa x LC, in that way him fliping town makes me pretty scapable. I'm more an easy target after we go through ellie, not because of an ellie mischop

ok

[nutella]

yeah the more i think about it the more i still just think michelle is mafia

yolo

[staypositivefriend]

yeah the more i think about it the more i still just think michelle is mafia

yolo

does she ate as scum? because her ate really got to me lol

[Made]

Spoiler: show

Mafia is probably Alison Esooa and DoO or Grugu.

I realize that's probably not very popular, but don't worry it'll work out. i'm pretty hard to lynch when i'm a civvie from what i remember last time i've been in this position.

what y'all got for me?

we are baking ellie today. what is your opinion on ellie

she's probably civvie,
off the the top the working theory is mafia went along with the hammer to frame ellie and get an easy lynch on me

killing mac would of hopefully killed the idea that LC was the common denominator of Esooa. She posted like she had tmi on LC, which is why he voted that way

if i were bad, my teammates would be making this argument not me, but that's wifom--and some wild ass ball'd wifom at that. if you're going to apply Occums razor in a mafia game (which you shouldn't because wifom, Alison???), it makes sense to apply it here

i.... dont really follow

the occums razor stuff is fluff, the important part is this:

• Mac's reason (and my reason) for voting LC was because LC x Essoa made so much sense, with Essoa being more likely bad than LC

• Baddies took advantage of LC being civvie to hammer him

• They then argue that ellie was the alternative wagon that day and therefore bad (which she probably isn't)

someone do lylo math, if we mislynch 2 more times are we lost?

[staypositivefriend]

master list of orderings relativities and gradations

towniest
nanook
tutuu
esooa
alison
dkkoba
michelle
jay
spf
grogu
doom
made
ellie
scummiest

i find it wild that i'm so low, but i wont spar with you over that right now :P

i actually kiinda think that exactly one of you/alison is mafia but i dont wanna deal with it lol

i'm curious about why - do you just think that the gamestate indicates a deepwolf?

maybe, bc i townread so many people and the poe is small but maybe it's just correct -- i have reservations about both doom and grogu though, so i feel there may be a wolf higher up the list

and there were various points i got questionable/potential deepwolf feelings from both you and alison

(i'm sensing you're going to ask me what those are and i dont have the wherewithal to like go back and quote things but i think at least some of them i commented on in realtime)

just acknowledging that i've seen this response - thanks for answering

[DaughterOfOmega]

I have seen SPF do more gamesolving in ways that feel genuine, far more than others. Alison may come close, but have some other things that makes me put her a bit lower on the list.

[Made]

there is a world where tutuu is bad. but if she is, shes probably getting lynched today or tomorrow

[nutella]

yeah the more i think about it the more i still just think michelle is mafia

yolo

does she ate as scum? because her ate really got to me lol

i dont have a ton of scum meta on her besides finale tbf, i've seen her wolf a couple other times (once i was her teammate) but it's sorta fuzzy. but my intuition is she can do that as either alignment, and being more familiar with her town play i'm not feeling "it" here and something just feels off about the direction of her reads and her engagement in the thread.

[nutella]

if michelle is scum i'm going to have late game nanook paranoia since he defended her p hard but like late game nanook paranoia might as well be the name of this website anyway

[nutella]

there is a world where tutuu is bad. but if she is, shes probably getting lynched today or tomorrow

no and no

[nutella]

I have seen SPF do more gamesolving in ways that feel genuine, far more than others. Alison may come close, but have some other things that makes me put her a bit lower on the list.

alright

just be aware that it's well within her scumrange

[Michelle]

Idk doom’s thing felt more like townie “wtf guys there’s a hammer” freak out than “wtf my partner is gonna be hammered” to me

I had this feeling too (scrolled up this page)

[DaughterOfOmega]

I have seen SPF do more gamesolving in ways that feel genuine, far more than others. Alison may come close, but have some other things that makes me put her a bit lower on the list.

alright

just be aware that it's well within her scumrange

I've learned long ago, meta is a trap

[Michelle]

Spoiler: show

Who's getting baked today?
Poll runs till Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:00 am
Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

You may select 1 option


Alison
0
No votes
Voters: None
DaughterOfOmega
0
No votes
Voters: None
DkKoba
0
No votes
Voters: None
EllieDelight
4
57%
Voters: Alison, Esooa, tutuu, nutella
Esooa
0
No votes
Voters: None
Grogu
0
No votes
Voters: None
JaggedJimmyJay
0
No votes
Voters: None
Made
1
14%
Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Michelle
0
No votes
Voters: None
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
0
No votes
Voters: None
nutella
0
No votes
Voters: None
staypositivefriend
0
No votes
Voters: None
tutuu
0
No votes
Voters: None
No Bake
0
No votes
Voters: None
Unvote
0
No votes
Voters: None
Pizza!!! (Host, Mods, Nonplayers, Deads)
2
29%
Voters: juliets, Marmot
Total votes: 7

votes now
Ellie at 4 votes

[Michelle]

yeah the more i think about it the more i still just think michelle is mafia

yolo

You are not voting mr

[Michelle]

*me

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Spoiler: show

Mafia is probably Alison Esooa and DoO or Grugu.

I realize that's probably not very popular, but don't worry it'll work out. i'm pretty hard to lynch when i'm a civvie from what i remember last time i've been in this position.

what y'all got for me?

we are baking ellie today. what is your opinion on ellie

she's probably civvie,
off the the top the working theory is mafia went along with the hammer to frame ellie and get an easy lynch on me

killing mac would of hopefully killed the idea that LC was the common denominator of Esooa. She posted like she had tmi on LC, which is why he voted that way

if i were bad, my teammates would be making this argument not me, but that's wifom--and some wild ass ball'd wifom at that. if you're going to apply Occums razor in a mafia game (which you shouldn't because wifom, Alison???), it makes sense to apply it here

i.... dont really follow

the occums razor stuff is fluff, the important part is this:

• Mac's reason (and my reason) for voting LC was because LC x Essoa made so much sense, with Essoa being more likely bad than LC

• Baddies took advantage of LC being civvie to hammer him

• They then argue that ellie was the alternative wagon that day and therefore bad (which she probably isn't)

someone do lylo math, if we mislynch 2 more times are we lost?

We have more than two lol

[Esooa]

I lied about not posting

@Michelle what is your Alison read

[Made]

towniest
made
nanook
dkkoba
spf
michelle
jay
nutella
doom
tutuu
grogu
alison
esooa
scummiest

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

if michelle is scum i'm going to have late game nanook paranoia since he defended her p hard but like late game nanook paranoia might as well be the name of this website anyway

Thanks I hate it

[Esooa]

does anyone remember Ellie's Allison read day 1?

also doom is town and spf is scum ~30% of the time

[Made]

Spoiler: show

Mafia is probably Alison Esooa and DoO or Grugu.

I realize that's probably not very popular, but don't worry it'll work out. i'm pretty hard to lynch when i'm a civvie from what i remember last time i've been in this position.

what y'all got for me?

we are baking ellie today. what is your opinion on ellie

she's probably civvie,
off the the top the working theory is mafia went along with the hammer to frame ellie and get an easy lynch on me

killing mac would of hopefully killed the idea that LC was the common denominator of Esooa. She posted like she had tmi on LC, which is why he voted that way

if i were bad, my teammates would be making this argument not me, but that's wifom--and some wild ass ball'd wifom at that. if you're going to apply Occums razor in a mafia game (which you shouldn't because wifom, Alison???), it makes sense to apply it here

i.... dont really follow

the occums razor stuff is fluff, the important part is this:

• Mac's reason (and my reason) for voting LC was because LC x Essoa made so much sense, with Essoa being more likely bad than LC

• Baddies took advantage of LC being civvie to hammer him

• They then argue that ellie was the alternative wagon that day and therefore bad (which she probably isn't)

someone do lylo math, if we mislynch 2 more times are we lost?

We have more than two lol

okay cool, i feel better now

[Made]

towniest
made
nanook
ellie
dkkoba
spf
michelle
jay
nutella
doom
tutuu
grogu
alison
esooa
scummiest

ebwodp

[Esooa]

@nutella I was unfairly rude to you cause I was feeling really shitty but it'd help if you acknowledge why I didn't rly like what you posted and I'll try to just explain that next time instead of being rly aggro

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Spoiler: show

we are baking ellie today. what is your opinion on ellie

she's probably civvie,
off the the top the working theory is mafia went along with the hammer to frame ellie and get an easy lynch on me

killing mac would of hopefully killed the idea that LC was the common denominator of Esooa. She posted like she had tmi on LC, which is why he voted that way

if i were bad, my teammates would be making this argument not me, but that's wifom--and some wild ass ball'd wifom at that. if you're going to apply Occums razor in a mafia game (which you shouldn't because wifom, Alison???), it makes sense to apply it here

i.... dont really follow

the occums razor stuff is fluff, the important part is this:

• Mac's reason (and my reason) for voting LC was because LC x Essoa made so much sense, with Essoa being more likely bad than LC

• Baddies took advantage of LC being civvie to hammer him

• They then argue that ellie was the alternative wagon that day and therefore bad (which she probably isn't)

someone do lylo math, if we mislynch 2 more times are we lost?

We have more than two lol

okay cool, i feel better now

Currently 10/3

So we have to hit three in six

[nutella]

towniest
made
nanook
dkkoba
spf
michelle
jay
nutella
doom
tutuu
grogu
alison
esooa
scummiest

[Made]

yo @JaggedJimmyJay
i need u to assume that i'm not bad and consider the situation that mac put forward about the LC and Esooa dynamic. What do you think about it now in light of the ellie push? also reads on ellie generally?

the biggest pusher of ellie from what i've read is esooa.

I also don't understand why alison wants to vote ellie out the gate, I feel like she should of targeted me out the gate. It seemed like her opinion of ellie yesterday was "well i mean i don't think LC is bad, so let's go ellie". @Alison am i misrepresenting your read on her?

[Michelle]

So.

Made was suspected by the thread when i was suspected at Sod 1 and i said i wanna be maf with Made.
Made put me in the Poe and didn't really tried to solve me, but in the same time he didn't really pushed me. I had a TR for him, but i find strange that he didn't push more for someone who he suspected and wanted to make such a link.

I said I am maf with LC. What LC did? Had a big interaction with me and came with a town read at the end. Flip shows he was perfectly honest in making reads, so this is how a villager is approaching things, not the other way around.

Made is in my logical Poe, near Esooa

[Made]

towniest
made
nanook
dkkoba
spf
michelle
jay
nutella
doom
tutuu
grogu
alison
esooa
scummiest

yeah, none of these takes are going to be popular for a bit

[nutella]

does anyone remember Ellie's Allison read day 1?

also doom is town and spf is scum ~30% of the time

i dont remember any of ellies reads lmao

to the second part: yes. (i dont fux w numbers and percents but i like the concept of your sentiment there)

[nutella]

@nutella I was unfairly rude to you cause I was feeling really shitty but it'd help if you acknowledge why I didn't rly like what you posted and I'll try to just explain that next time instead of being rly aggro

yeah, I acknowledge and understand the pressure you were feeling, and I want to make it clear that those are not really expectations or standards I'm placing on you

[Esooa]

does anyone remember Ellie's Allison read day 1?

also doom is town and spf is scum ~30% of the time

i dont remember any of ellies reads lmao paranoid

to the second part: yes. (i dont fux w numbers and percents but i like the concept of your sentiment there)

okay

well I'm wondering cause Made+Michelle outing the reads they are basically guarantees mafias current game plan is to try and make people paranoid of the obv town players who people can potentially be paranoid of

this is why their previous reads on Alison are important

I mention spf being scum because she has notably evaded being tin foiled for blatantly bad reasons by scummy players

[Made]

So.

Made was suspected by the thread when i was suspected at Sod 1 and i said i wanna be maf with Made.
Made put me in the Poe and didn't really tried to solve me, but in the same time he didn't really pushed me. I had a TR for him, but i find strange that he didn't push more for someone who he suspected and wanted to make such a link.

I said I am maf with LC. What LC did? Had a big interaction with me and came with a town read at the end. Flip shows he was perfectly honest in making reads, so this is how a villager is approaching things, not the other way around.

Made is in my logical Poe, near Esooa

honest, i'm cool with that, so long as we vote her first.

my biggest reason for leaving you in my PoE was i thought you entrance into thread felt stiff in a mafia-wanting-to-look-like-they're-contributing kinda way.

As the game has gone on, i've starting think ur town, and this read make me feel even better ngl

[Michelle]

towniest
made
nanook
dkkoba
spf
michelle
jay
nutella
doom
tutuu
grogu
alison
esooa
scummiest

Instead being pocketed by this image who is often Ladd's avatar i really hate it's use.
Are words finished in this world?

if michelle is scum i'm going to have late game nanook paranoia since he defended her p hard but like late game nanook paranoia might as well be the name of this website anyway

Thanks I hate it

Thanks to Nanook quoting that post i see Nut is playing with words toDay.

[Esooa]

also I think dooms recent posts are extremely towny so yeah

[staypositivefriend]

I mention spf being scum because she has notably evaded being tin foiled for blatantly bad reasons by scummy players

do you mean that you find it suspicious that people within the consensus "scumpool" aren't tinfoiling me?

[Made]

does anyone remember Ellie's Allison read day 1?

also doom is town and spf is scum ~30% of the time

i dont remember any of ellies reads lmao paranoid

to the second part: yes. (i dont fux w numbers and percents but i like the concept of your sentiment there)

okay

well I'm wondering cause Made+Michelle outing the reads they are basically guarantees mafias current game plan is to try and make people paranoid of the obv town players who people can potentially be paranoid of

this is why their previous reads on Alison are important

I mention spf being scum because she has notably evaded being tin foiled for blatantly bad reasons by scummy players

hi friend!
are we going to be do the headbutt thing or are we just gonna spew at each other indirectly? I'm cool with both, but i kinda wanna know what i'm going to be dealing with

[staypositivefriend]

also i still really really think grogu has a very solid chance of being mafia lol

[nutella]

yo @JaggedJimmyJay
i need u to assume that i'm not bad and consider the situation that mac put forward about the LC and Esooa dynamic. What do you think about it now in light of the ellie push? also reads on ellie generally?

the biggest pusher of ellie from what i've read is esooa.

I also don't understand why alison wants to vote ellie out the gate, I feel like she should of targeted me out the gate. It seemed like her opinion of ellie yesterday was "well i mean i don't think LC is bad, so let's go ellie". @Alison am i misrepresenting your read on her?

I don't like your approach to this because while yes we should consider the possibility LC/ellie was t/t and scum orchestrated the dichotomy, I don't think it's reasonable here to *assume* that and jump straight to esooa or whomever. especially since we have mischops available I think the play here is to get the ellie flip and assess from there bc imo it's pretty likely she just is mafia and we don't want to overlook that in favor of some grand conspiracy theory.

[Esooa]

@nutella I was unfairly rude to you cause I was feeling really shitty but it'd help if you acknowledge why I didn't rly like what you posted and I'll try to just explain that next time instead of being rly aggro

yeah, I acknowledge and understand the pressure you were feeling, and I want to make it clear that those are not really expectations or standards I'm placing on you

I've literally recently been hard tunneled in games I bury three different mafia individually and games I hard tunnel a mafia day 1 and was spewed clear by that same mafia and was right on the remaining mafia day 2 and etc etc and it's literally the worst shit ever and etc so yeah, I don't rly take posts like what you made as being outside the realm of possibility but any means

[Made]

@Grogu if ur not mafia, can you make it easier to clear you?

if ur not bad, it changes a lot of people's "who can be bad" math. including my own

[EllieDelight]

So I know everyone thinks im scum, for good reason, and plenty think im partnered with Made. But I want to draw attention to the fact that Made is super scummy, and is definitely trying to get me baked by making it look like Im scum with him. Some points:

Also Mac, why not just go for the hammer on LC?

Made is REALLY interested in hammering LC, who we all know is town now.

also mac, i dont think youre scum. ignore that post i made like, 2 pages back. i was just curious about its reaponses(not that it got any....)

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Very curious why Made would vote based off of this, it doesn't make sense unless he wants it to seem like my post got him to change votes.

anyone who knows Esooa:

should i care about her claiming mafia?

i usually ignore it. i know it means nothing for spf. but i dunno, worth asking

mac addressed this

i saw he said she does it as mafia and i believe that. i'm just wondering to what extent it goes the other way

my internet is shit right now; roommate is in a zoom class. be back later.

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

I'm cool with this
[VOTE: LC] aubergine
What is the case for Ellie anyways?

Why is Made asking this? The case for me was super obvious, the only reason to ask this was if he wanted to make it look like he had an interest in defending me, but i havent even put him in my town reads. When did he decide I was so cool?

But yeah, I majored in wagonomic in undergrad guys I got this:

So LC is odd for getting a lot of votes and those votes kinda dissolving is a great look for Ellie if LC flips scum, and a bad look for people who switch off him, especially if they started the wagon.

If Ellie is bad clear spf, LC, and essoa. There’s no reason for a clump of votes to appear there from a baddie team, especially at this point

From this I get if Ellie is mafia LC is town and if LC is baddie Ellie is town.

Please update your reads accordingly.
More at 11.

I take issue with the bolded especially but this post more generally. I am one of the people who moved from LC to Ellie. Esooa and LC were already there. LC has every right to be there and never moved from himself to Ellie. Esooa had never voted LC either. So literally the only person who is voting for Ellie that was on LC is me. So you are essentially saying Ellie looks great if LC flips scum because Mac moved from LC to Ellie. This only makes sense if I am mafia but you aren't pushing me. This is a surface level analysis designed to bury LC and protect Ellie. You are mafia.

I have an easy gambit: bake LC today and if he flips town quick-bake me tomorrow, if he's mafia everyone is happy. I dont think there's much risk there for town.

And you should be happy with this unless youre partnered with LC, but like, people werent saying that at the beginning of the game were they?

[VOTE: LC] aubergine I think?
How do you feel about esooa??

Two townie kills offered up for free and he immediately votes? He's scum.

And a couple questions for everyone. Why does Made look like Im his partner, but isnt doing that with anoyher player? If he really was scum and these were all just slip ups then there should be another player he does this to. Does anyone remember him pressuring LC? Why did he want him so dead but it doesnt seem like he was an active player in that? Correct me if Im wrong, but Made has seemed to play this game super on the downlow, mostly saying he's sheeping reads or making little jokes.

If you look at what I'm saying you can see that there's a possibility I might be a town being played, but Made doesnt have that, he's scum. I ask yall to bake him tonight first, and maybe reconsider me tomorrow.

Maybe im bussing, but Id just be throwing for mafia because i set up him, and then im dying immediately after.