Bread Mafia [Game Over]

[staypositivefriend]

anyways [VOTE: Made] aubergine

oo that's spicy, did anything in particular make u wanna vote made over ellie?

Ellies actions towards Made are both towny and non-partnered. Every post Made had posted today has been awful. I can extremely easily see him TMI'ing Eliie town here and using my push on her to set me up today. His push is god awful. It uses poor justifications that hinge on Mac's read on me which was incorrect enough Mac walked it back. Made himself doesn't even have any reason to believe it. Made also uses the night kill to try and push me when every town in this game knows Mac died for being town!Mac. Mades posts never come from a town. Ellies possibly do

kk thanks for explaining, i'll have to think on it but made's treatment of ellie (or rather, his extremely overconfident and seemingly unsubstantiated defense of ellie) is pinging me too

[Esooa]

@nutella remember one of three posts Ellie was scum read for day 1? It was setting up a dichotomy between LC/SPF and SPF/Michelle

what do you think of this in terms of partner equity between Ellie and these others?

[EllieDelight]

thinking about Ellie's posts, I have a problem with them. Ellie says she acted how she did in previous games to be flirty. If her behavior in previous games was an act, why was there a noticable difference between alignments? It clearly wasn't just an act, her alignment had an affect on it

well, one was mafia and the other was town so there's that. i kinda dont like retroactively judging why I played the way I did because I could be wrong since my memory is shit.

and its not like the whole thing was an act, i played the game but flirting was my main goal. more so in the first than the second.

[EllieDelight]

@tutuu can you also give a quick readslist

tutuu
Alison
Esooa
DkKoba
nutella

Michelle
NOOK
DOOM

JJJ
spf
Grogu
Made
Ellie

I understand but this does hurt after i said id never even consider voting you. p a i n

[staypositivefriend]

u dont have to like it, but it's consistent w/how i scumhunt in every game, more or less

do you think I've done anything scummy this game?

mm not to my memory, youve played how i would expect esooa!town to play and i dont think anything has pinged me about you

Why is tutuu above me then? Do you have a reason for it? I don't really think I'd agree with your list just being quickly put together for the justification here, as this has been a pretty consistent position of yours iirc. Can you also explain what you meant by "town lean" earlier in the day? Can you explain why you thought LC was scummy day 1?

that's primarily because i find it borderline impossible for tutuu to have faked the level of paranoia/pushiness that she showed against me if she was playing from a scum mindset - the way she approached me was diametrically opposed to how scum typically interact with town that theyre pushing on, and she has consistently towntold in almost every post she's made imo

it's gonna rule so hard if tutuu is mafia and this post ages really badly

anyway, i feel the same way about nutella, and now, to a lesser extent, you

[Esooa]

I'd tend towards it being Ellie is not partnered with spf, as if she follows up on this it means lc flipping town means she has to push spf. It'd be a weird angle for distancing

two things to consider here

this means as spfs likelihood of being scum goes up, Ellie's goes down. This makes me want to look into if scum!spf votes lc at EoD over Ellie, spfs treatment of Ellie/lc possibly showing TMI, and spfs equity with other people in the poe like made.

I also want to consider the fact that I feel like if Ellie is scum here, she's being coached, and whether this aligns with Ellie posting this dichotomy

[staypositivefriend]

oh and to answer ur other questions:

-i came into today thinking it was more likely that you were town than not, but i wasn't 100% sure about that. it's largely because i know that your scumrange is massive and while i do think i'm decent at reading you, i don't have any firsthand experience with your scum game

-long con outed several posts that felt more focused on WIFOM & anti-spew than anything else - a lot of posts that felt like outright scum claims and a perceived lack of scumhunting in his game was enough to make me think he was prolly just scum. i also wolfed with him in a game recently and it pinged me how some of his posts were extremely similar. i explained this more cohesively on d1

[Esooa]

something notable about the fact spf isn't being pushed

there HAS been tin foiling on spf, it came from me

I'm pretty sure nobody followed up on me tin foiling spf with "hmm, maybe you're right" quite like they are with me and how they are actively pursuing with nutella. This would be a good place to look for partner equity with spf imo

[Michelle]

i'm tipsy so i apologize if my posts get like 20% sloppier from this point on

Keep posting, in vino veritas

[staypositivefriend]

i'm tipsy so i apologize if my posts get like 20% sloppier from this point on

Keep posting, in vino veritas

i like the way u think

[Michelle]

oh and to answer ur other questions:

-i came into today thinking it was more likely that you were town than not, but i wasn't 100% sure about that. it's largely because i know that your scumrange is massive and while i do think i'm decent at reading you, i don't have any firsthand experience with your scum game

-long con outed several posts that felt more focused on WIFOM & anti-spew than anything else - a lot of posts that felt like outright scum claims and a perceived lack of scumhunting in his game was enough to make me think he was prolly just scum. i also wolfed with him in a game recently and it pinged me how some of his posts were extremely similar. i explained this more cohesively on d1

That was because he is mimicking his town play as scum

[Michelle]

i'm tipsy so i apologize if my posts get like 20% sloppier from this point on

Keep posting, in vino veritas

i like the way u think

I town cleared Rhand for this few times ^^

[Esooa]

Point to be made about spf

she went to vote grogu, has mentioned him, and etc

I've been thinking about why grogu hasn't garnered more attention if he were town

I think there's two things to say here:

scum are obviously pre occupied. I think scum are certainly trying to push *something* here; tin foiling me, pushing made over Ellie, pushing Ellie over made. Idk what but scum isn't looking for a scape goat right now. This makes me think: it's probably true there is only one mafia between Ellie/Made. Otherwise scum would look to go to grogu as an out. Possibly scum is instead trying to distance, such as Ellie casing Made, but that's not the vibe I get. I think this is town indicative of spf, as she is taking the angle of going to grogu.

I forgot my second point. I think it's that it was town indicative of spf

it's also possible that grogu is scum, however. But I'm not sure. I don't think this is currently a game state with two active scum only

[staypositivefriend]

tutuu & esooa are both gonna townlock me by the end of the day. i'm manifesting it into existence through sheer willpower

[Esooa]

following up on my most previous post:

I'm considering how this fits with Michelle being scum. If we take my previous post as being true, and consider it with my saying that scum!made is TMI'ing Eliie, it actually increases her wolf equity greatly. I think the scum team of Michelle/Made+1 is confident in Ellie going over today, so this team is focused less on pushing Ellie and more on the follow up, as both of them are doing

[Esooa]

following up on my most previous post:

I'm considering how this fits with Michelle being scum. If we take my previous post as being true, and consider it with my saying that scum!made is TMI'ing Eliie, it actually increases her wolf equity greatly. I think the scum team of Michelle/Made+1 is confident in Ellie going over today, so this team is focused less on pushing Ellie and more on the follow up, as both of them are doing

[staypositivefriend]

tutuu & esooa are both gonna townlock me by the end of the day. i'm manifesting it into existence through sheer willpower

the site went down for me after i made this post. this was god's way of trying to stop me from being townread, but i'm more powerful

[Esooa]

gonna steal from mac again and say

observe my godly towny solving ability

I'm spewing all my thoughts into the thread as they happen so you can all see my unfathomable ability to solve and never doubt my reads again

[staypositivefriend]

following up on my most previous post:

I'm considering how this fits with Michelle being scum. If we take my previous post as being true, and consider it with my saying that scum!made is TMI'ing Eliie, it actually increases her wolf equity greatly. I think the scum team of Michelle/Made+1 is confident in Ellie going over today, so this team is focused less on pushing Ellie and more on the follow up, as both of them are doing

i've been thinking a lot about how if we do live in an ellie!town world, the scums strategy almost certainly hinges on the idea that the consensus that there's a maf between you/ellie will come to fruition

so while i do not find myself in a place where i'm townreading ellie, the fact that youre willing to push outside of her and consider the possibility that she's town makes me feel more comfortable doing so as well

[tutuu]

tutuu & esooa are both gonna townlock me by the end of the day. i'm manifesting it into existence through sheer willpower

the site went down for me after i made this post. this was god's way of trying to stop me from being townread, but i'm more powerful

lmfao

[Esooa]

Point to be made about spf

she went to vote grogu, has mentioned him, and etc

I've been thinking about why grogu hasn't garnered more attention if he were town

I think there's two things to say here:

scum are obviously pre occupied. I think scum are certainly trying to push *something* here; tin foiling me, pushing made over Ellie, pushing Ellie over made. Idk what but scum isn't looking for a scape goat right now. This makes me think: it's probably true there is only one mafia between Ellie/Made. Otherwise scum would look to go to grogu as an out. Possibly scum is instead trying to distance, such as Ellie casing Made, but that's not the vibe I get. I think this is town indicative of spf, as she is taking the angle of going to grogu.

I forgot my second point. I think it's that it was town indicative of spf

it's also possible that grogu is scum, however. But I'm not sure. I don't think this is currently a game state with two active scum only

oh, yeah

one problem with this: because spf is the only one pushing grogu, it increases her equity with both and exactly Ellie+made. However, this would require a ton of distancing from the non-spf parties so I'm willing to rule it out (Ellie's day 1 with spf, Ellie and mades day 2 so far)

though I guess not completely, because I still very strongly get the vibes Ellie is being coached

I think it's really weird that Ellie outed the read she did on made. Don't get me wrong, it's a good one. But it's like, really good. I'm apprehensive about Ellie's ability to make up this read on her own. I'd need to know how much different people coach their partners. If anyone here can comment on this, specifically in regards to spf, it'd be nice

[staypositivefriend]

i think there's at least one person in this game that i am horribly misreading. i don't know who, but i feel it

[Esooa]

anyways I've obviously posted enough to be town locked now, right?

haha

haha......

I'm done for now anyways. I need more time to stew on my thoughts and more content in the thread

[Esooa]

but I'm just going to say my reads are unironically the best

[staypositivefriend]

If anyone here can comment on this, specifically in regards to spf, it'd be nice

what specific thing regarding me did you want insight on? i was a little confused with the wording of that post but i vibe with the rest of your thoughts

[Esooa]

@staypositivefriend I want to know

do you actually think posting the what, at least 7 paragraphs of solving off the cuff that I just did is in my scum range?

[Esooa]

If anyone here can comment on this, specifically in regards to spf, it'd be nice

what specific thing regarding me did you want insight on? i was a little confused with the wording of that post but i vibe with the rest of your thoughts

how much various people are capable of and willing to coach scum partners, particularly how capable you are of it

[staypositivefriend]

@staypositivefriend I want to know

do you actually think posting the what, at least 7 paragraphs of solving off the cuff that I just did is in my scum range?

regardless of whether or not it is, i thought that the 7 paragraphs that you posted were very towny

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Do you normally have good reads

My only first hand experience with them is the game you threw and I recall them being about the same as most people’s reads that game, which is to say very bad

[Michelle]

gonna steal from mac again and say

observe my godly towny solving ability

I'm spewing all my thoughts into the thread as they happen so you can all see my unfathomable ability to solve and never doubt my reads again

[VOTE: Esooa] aubergine

I don't observe your ability

[Esooa]

Do you normally have good reads

My only first hand experience with them is the game you threw and I recall them being about the same as most people’s reads that game, which is to say very bad

hey I have a good idea it's called stop interacting with me

you don't even provide useful content anyways so

[Esooa]

gonna steal from mac again and say

observe my godly towny solving ability

I'm spewing all my thoughts into the thread as they happen so you can all see my unfathomable ability to solve and never doubt my reads again

[VOTE: Esooa] aubergine

I don't observe your ability

literal scum claim

you feel pressured by my pinning of you?

[staypositivefriend]

If anyone here can comment on this, specifically in regards to spf, it'd be nice

what specific thing regarding me did you want insight on? i was a little confused with the wording of that post but i vibe with the rest of your thoughts

how much various people are capable of and willing to coach scum partners, particularly how capable you are of it

ahh, i imagine that most people's experience w/my scumgame is solely the "grasslands" game i played a few months ago where i was wolf w/long con and sloonei

and since both of them are strong players and don't need to be coached, they probably don't have a good sense of how often i coach my scum partners in other games

i will say that i am a very "go w/the flow" scum player. i didn't have a specific plan in north pole oligarchy beyond just "survive the day, and get towncred". i will confer with my partners very often about specific posts or specific wording, but i generally don't make big multi-day plans with my partners

[tutuu]

i was just imagining its f3 and all of my reads were wrong and im left there to be the game ending misyeet against the wolf who outplayed all of us, and im about to make the wrong vote, and im about to cry cuz of how useless and bad i am and i give up completely and just whimper like a puppy and then a light dazzles and i hear the thoughts and prayers of all of my town friends from DVC, all of them cheering up for me and wishing me the best instead of insulting me of how bad i am at mafia like i think they do, and through their power i get uplifed and i levitate from the ground and i CHANGE MY DESTINY and i was about to write the wrong vote and hammer the other town and throw the game and i've written the name i've written the vote tags and 1 second before i click submit i CHANGE MY DESTINY and i yell NO and the last wolf GASPS and the other two wolves from dvc also GASP and i get a flashback of how it was my destiny all along to be put through so much suffering as the main protagonist of the story who needs to fail before they can grow up and be stronger and then i unleash my strongest attack on the last wolf and i olbiterate them off the face of earth and i fall down on the ground exhausted and lifeless, but a faint smile on my face and my hand forming a thumbs up gesture in the air as everyone from dvc approaches me crying and screaming my name. gg.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Do you normally have good reads

My only first hand experience with them is the game you threw and I recall them being about the same as most people’s reads that game, which is to say very bad

hey I have a good idea it's called stop interacting with me

you don't even provide useful content anyways so

That seems pretty rude and uncalled for

Especially to someone that’s confirmed town

[nutella]

following up on my most previous post:

I'm considering how this fits with Michelle being scum. If we take my previous post as being true, and consider it with my saying that scum!made is TMI'ing Eliie, it actually increases her wolf equity greatly. I think the scum team of Michelle/Made+1 is confident in Ellie going over today, so this team is focused less on pushing Ellie and more on the follow up, as both of them are doing

i've been thinking a lot about how if we do live in an ellie!town world, the scums strategy almost certainly hinges on the idea that the consensus that there's a maf between you/ellie will come to fruition

so while i do not find myself in a place where i'm townreading ellie, the fact that youre willing to push outside of her and consider the possibility that she's town makes me feel more comfortable doing so as well

agreed

and yeah I think at least one of made/michelle is scum then

i had some reason to think not both but idk

[Esooa]

i was just imagining its f3 and all of my reads were wrong and im left there to be the game ending misyeet against the wolf who outplayed all of us, and im about to make the wrong vote, and im about to cry cuz of how useless and bad i am and i give up completely and just whimper like a puppy and then a light dazzles and i hear the thoughts and prayers of all of my town friends from DVC, all of them cheering up for me and wishing me the best instead of insulting me of how bad i am at mafia like i think they do, and through their power i get uplifed and i levitate from the ground and i CHANGE MY DESTINY and i was about to write the wrong vote and hammer the other town and throw the game and i've written the name i've written the vote tags and 1 second before i click submit i CHANGE MY DESTINY and i yell NO and the last wolf GASPS and the other two wolves from dvc also GASP and i get a flashback of how it was my destiny all along to be put through so much suffering as the main protagonist of the story who needs to fail before they can grow up and be stronger and then i unleash my strongest attack on the last wolf and i olbiterate them off the face of earth and i fall down on the ground exhausted and lifeless, but a faint smile on my face and my hand forming a thumbs up gesture in the air as everyone from dvc approaches me crying and screaming my name. gg.

does tutuu normally post stuff like this?

[nutella]

(and if i havent been clear enough i think michelle is scummier than made)

[Michelle]

following up on my most previous post:

I'm considering how this fits with Michelle being scum. If we take my previous post as being true, and consider it with my saying that scum!made is TMI'ing Eliie, it actually increases her wolf equity greatly. I think the scum team of Michelle/Made+1 is confident in Ellie going over today, so this team is focused less on pushing Ellie and more on the follow up, as both of them are doing

Openwolfing much?

[nutella]

i was just imagining its f3 and all of my reads were wrong and im left there to be the game ending misyeet against the wolf who outplayed all of us, and im about to make the wrong vote, and im about to cry cuz of how useless and bad i am and i give up completely and just whimper like a puppy and then a light dazzles and i hear the thoughts and prayers of all of my town friends from DVC, all of them cheering up for me and wishing me the best instead of insulting me of how bad i am at mafia like i think they do, and through their power i get uplifed and i levitate from the ground and i CHANGE MY DESTINY and i was about to write the wrong vote and hammer the other town and throw the game and i've written the name i've written the vote tags and 1 second before i click submit i CHANGE MY DESTINY and i yell NO and the last wolf GASPS and the other two wolves from dvc also GASP and i get a flashback of how it was my destiny all along to be put through so much suffering as the main protagonist of the story who needs to fail before they can grow up and be stronger and then i unleash my strongest attack on the last wolf and i olbiterate them off the face of earth and i fall down on the ground exhausted and lifeless, but a faint smile on my face and my hand forming a thumbs up gesture in the air as everyone from dvc approaches me crying and screaming my name. gg.

does tutuu normally post stuff like this?

yes

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Regardless of your alignment here I love you and appreciate your uncaring pushes against the stream Michelle

[Esooa]

Do you normally have good reads

My only first hand experience with them is the game you threw and I recall them being about the same as most people’s reads that game, which is to say very bad

hey I have a good idea it's called stop interacting with me

you don't even provide useful content anyways so

That seems pretty rude and uncalled for

Especially to someone that’s confirmed town

look you think what I did earlier was toxic

okay, it was bad for the game

sorry

but I really don't appreciate that I'm trying to move past it rn and most your comments towards me feel needlessly rude, like saying I'm yelling at people after I calmed down and both bringing up an obviously bad game + making the claim I threw that game when at best it was a communal effort

so if this is how you're going to be I'd prefer not talking rn

[Michelle]

Esooa making post after post and writing ego walls is not impressing me at all

[nutella]

following up on my most previous post:

I'm considering how this fits with Michelle being scum. If we take my previous post as being true, and consider it with my saying that scum!made is TMI'ing Eliie, it actually increases her wolf equity greatly. I think the scum team of Michelle/Made+1 is confident in Ellie going over today, so this team is focused less on pushing Ellie and more on the follow up, as both of them are doing

Openwolfing much?

look within yourself my friend

[staypositivefriend]

@MIchelle -

when you get the chance, could you please provide me with a link to one or two of your scumgames? (excluding the champs finale)

i think getting a better sense of how you usually play as scum would help me get a stronger read on you in this game

[Esooa]

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Do you normally have good reads

My only first hand experience with them is the game you threw and I recall them being about the same as most people’s reads that game, which is to say very bad

hey I have a good idea it's called stop interacting with me

you don't even provide useful content anyways so

That seems pretty rude and uncalled for

Especially to someone that’s confirmed town

look you think what I did earlier was toxic

okay, it was bad for the game

sorry

but I really don't appreciate that I'm trying to move past it rn and most your comments towards me feel needlessly rude, like saying I'm yelling at people after I calmed down and both bringing up an obviously bad game + making the claim I threw that game when at best it was a communal effort

so if this is how you're going to be I'd prefer not talking rn

I’m not bringing that game up randomly, it’s the only time I’ve seen you town. I don’t think it’s rude or unreasonable to ask how good your reads usually are when that game is my only example

[staypositivefriend]

i was just imagining its f3 and all of my reads were wrong and im left there to be the game ending misyeet against the wolf who outplayed all of us, and im about to make the wrong vote, and im about to cry cuz of how useless and bad i am and i give up completely and just whimper like a puppy and then a light dazzles and i hear the thoughts and prayers of all of my town friends from DVC, all of them cheering up for me and wishing me the best instead of insulting me of how bad i am at mafia like i think they do, and through their power i get uplifed and i levitate from the ground and i CHANGE MY DESTINY and i was about to write the wrong vote and hammer the other town and throw the game and i've written the name i've written the vote tags and 1 second before i click submit i CHANGE MY DESTINY and i yell NO and the last wolf GASPS and the other two wolves from dvc also GASP and i get a flashback of how it was my destiny all along to be put through so much suffering as the main protagonist of the story who needs to fail before they can grow up and be stronger and then i unleash my strongest attack on the last wolf and i olbiterate them off the face of earth and i fall down on the ground exhausted and lifeless, but a faint smile on my face and my hand forming a thumbs up gesture in the air as everyone from dvc approaches me crying and screaming my name. gg.

i love this post

[Michelle]

following up on my most previous post:

I'm considering how this fits with Michelle being scum. If we take my previous post as being true, and consider it with my saying that scum!made is TMI'ing Eliie, it actually increases her wolf equity greatly. I think the scum team of Michelle/Made+1 is confident in Ellie going over today, so this team is focused less on pushing Ellie and more on the follow up, as both of them are doing

Openwolfing much?

look within yourself my friend

Don't 'my friend' me when you stab me in the back

[Michelle]

@MIchelle -

when you get the chance, could you please provide me with a link to one or two of your scumgames? (excluding the champs finale)

i think getting a better sense of how you usually play as scum would help me get a stronger read on you in this game

I already did it, search in my Iso, i will do it after work if you don't find that post