Bread Mafia [Game Over]

[Alison]

Agree with Alison about tutuu and Nanook

I actually don't know what you believe about the gamestate outside of your pet scumreads. What's your view on JJJ, myself, Grogu, etc.?

[Michelle]

Ellie cased Made via an explicit motivation relating to being viewed as his partner.

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Please link it, i want to reread that

[Esooa]

I'd be tempted to agree with your point about Michelle if she wasn't putting effort into scum reading literally

myself, Nutella, spf

which uh, yeah lol

Would you say those are reads that are likely to help Michelle survive [in her eyes]?

not particularly, but I'd be quite surprised if these are reads town Michelle believed.

Why?

I mean you really know nothing about me and you are just shading me considering i don't believe in my posts.
I consider you are pushing in bad faith the idea i don't believe my words.

I'd be surprised if just about anyone believed the reads you're outing. Don't really need to know you for this

[Alison]

Ellie cased Made via an explicit motivation relating to being viewed as his partner.

click here

Please link it, i want to reread that

That is a link.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Ellie cased Made via an explicit motivation relating to being viewed as his partner.

click here

Yeah, this is what I mean by "Ellie could be projecting her worries about being spewed red off Made". I can easily imagine Ellie saying in scum chat that she's worried about Made's posting spewing her red, and the two of them going down like dominoes. Then they concoct a plan to argue that Made is actually scum trying to intentionally frame her, which would not only act as an excuse for why she looks bad off Made spew, but even make her look distinctly unaligned from Made because she's deathtunnelling him.

The relationship between the two doesn't strike me as a natural one, at the least. I'm JayCharting and that interaction is an early standout.

[Esooa]

Ellie cased Made via an explicit motivation relating to being viewed as his partner.

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okay. So Ellie gets baked and flips wolf. The entire basis of her case, that she is town being framed, is now incorrect. This would basically nullify all the points made in it. This cases truth lies in assuming Ellie to be town, and I'm not sure this is the angle she takes to distancing when she's soon going to flip wolf in that world. Why not attempt to call Made scummy in his own rite-he's not lacking in scummy posts

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Day 2: Ellie wants to remove Made's limbs and smack him with them. Made wants Ellie to be town core. Wat

[Michelle]

Agree with Alison about tutuu and Nanook

I actually don't know what you believe about the gamestate outside of your pet scumreads. What's your view on JJJ, myself, Grogu, etc.?

I sheep Mac on Jay but also i feel Jay is villager willing to solve.
I found earlier reasons to villa read you, because of how you posted when Nut and esooa interacted at sod.

Grogu is not in my villa reads, can go either way
Omega is villager fmpov
Ellie and Made are maybe villagers because i felt in day 1 when i went to sleep that wolves are happy with the gamestate.

[Alison]

Jay being on the same page as me is a good look for him because I think scum is under enough pressure that they can't afford to side with townie stances and go deep - they probably have to openwolf a bit and force bad narratives (which I guess is a point against Michelle).

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Even if Ellie and Made are not teamed, I struggle to view their interaction as being wholly authentic. At least one is mafia eye em oh.

[Alison]

Agree with Alison about tutuu and Nanook

I actually don't know what you believe about the gamestate outside of your pet scumreads. What's your view on JJJ, myself, Grogu, etc.?

I sheep Mac on Jay but also i feel Jay is villager willing to solve.
I found earlier reasons to villa read you, because of how you posted when Nut and esooa interacted at sod.

Grogu is not in my villa reads, can go either way
Omega is villager fmpov
Ellie and Made are maybe villagers because i felt in day 1 when i went to sleep that wolves are happy with the gamestate.

How exactly did I post at SOD that made you want to villa read me? You've played against scum me a couple of times and I'd be shocked if you think my check-in at SOD was anything I couldn't trivially fake as scum.

Also, what made you think that wolves were happy with the gamestate? That's not a sentiment that I (or a few other people, including flipped town) shared.

[Alison]

Even if Ellie and Made are not teamed, I struggle to view their interaction as being wholly authentic. At least one is mafia eye em oh.

Yes.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

bruh Ellie literally is playing her 3rd game

I said this and I know it

I don't believe a player at the 3rd game is talking like that with an experienced player like SPF
The word 'wrong' is showinga self confidence who is normal at other level of play.

Why do you feel the need to asnwer for her?

becuase you're literally making bullshit up for no reason

I KNOW Ellie personally IRL and I invited her to her first forum game and I taught her some stuff about how to play

I am sharing my thoughts, and you are litterally blocking my interaction i want to have with her.

Stop being rude and behave

I'm inclined to cleanly separate Michelle from Ellie on the basis of this dialogue. Arguing with someone else about whether your teammate has played 3 games or more than that (when that someone else ought to have the objective knowledge) seems super goofy lol

[Michelle]

I'd be tempted to agree with your point about Michelle if she wasn't putting effort into scum reading literally

myself, Nutella, spf

which uh, yeah lol

Would you say those are reads that are likely to help Michelle survive [in her eyes]?

not particularly, but I'd be quite surprised if these are reads town Michelle believed.

Why?

I mean you really know nothing about me and you are just shading me considering i don't believe in my posts.
I consider you are pushing in bad faith the idea i don't believe my words.

I'd be surprised if just about anyone believed the reads you're outing. Don't really need to know you for this

You show too much surprise for this to be genuine.
I explained my reads at least twice, and you're still implying I am not believing them. This is not a towny vision.

[Alison]

so in other news i was inspired to figure out who daughterofomega is and uh

interesting

Spill

I used to go by AoBenjamin in 2015-2017 on a place called 2+2.
In 2016-2018 was where most people know me from, where my name was changed to BenjiAO.
In early 2019, I was slowly transitioning my gender, and now I go by Rach or Rachel most commonly.

DaughterOfOmega is a reference to my original online tag, which was SonsOfOmega, in which I shared with my brother. It means a lot to me, and as I no longer am male, I don't maintain the Sons part anymore.

If people were wondering who I am, it's not like I was hiding it, so I find Nutella's post somewhat awkward. If you are too bring up who I am, why would you not say it? Just is annoying to bring it up in that manner, as if it's bad to be known.

Interesting story. I have seen you before, glad to hear you are doing good and have completed your transition. I hope you are happy!

I want to permanently dissociate these two (Grogu and Omega). Anyone feel free to object.

I object to this, since I'm really not sure what you see in this as clearing them from being W/W.

(I read DOOM as probably town anyway so it's not a big deal though)

[Michelle]

Agree with Alison about tutuu and Nanook

I actually don't know what you believe about the gamestate outside of your pet scumreads. What's your view on JJJ, myself, Grogu, etc.?

I sheep Mac on Jay but also i feel Jay is villager willing to solve.
I found earlier reasons to villa read you, because of how you posted when Nut and esooa interacted at sod.

Grogu is not in my villa reads, can go either way
Omega is villager fmpov
Ellie and Made are maybe villagers because i felt in day 1 when i went to sleep that wolves are happy with the gamestate.

How exactly did I post at SOD that made you want to villa read me? You've played against scum me a couple of times and I'd be shocked if you think my check-in at SOD was anything I couldn't trivially fake as scum.

Also, what made you think that wolves were happy with the gamestate? That's not a sentiment that I (or a few other people, including flipped town) shared.

About eod gamestate is hard for me to explain my intuition, i had with Ted a long convo about this in one of the last DVC.
You tried to calm down Nut and Esooa iirc, did i remember this wrong? This is a towny move.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Interesting story. I have seen you before, glad to hear you are doing good and have completed your transition. I hope you are happy!

I want to permanently dissociate these two (Grogu and Omega). Anyone feel free to object.
[/quote]
I object to this, since I'm really not sure what you see in this as clearing them from being W/W.

(I read DOOM as probably town anyway so it's not a big deal though)
[/quote]

I may be guilty of falling victim to sentiment; I just kinda think the kind words here from Grogu either exist in the mafia chat or they're not stated at all out of fear of it being out-of-bounds (given that it is open to be interpreted for alignment).

[Alison]

I'm inclined to cleanly separate Michelle from Ellie on the basis of this dialogue. Arguing with someone else about whether your teammate has played 3 games or more than that (when that someone else ought to have the objective knowledge) seems super goofy lol

I think I buy this, which would mean that scum is most likely some variant of Ellie/Made/X, or Michelle/Made/X, where X is like, Grogu or SPF or whatever.

I'm inclined to exe Made since he seems to be partnered with everyone and the charge of pushing nonsensical narratives can just as easily be applied to him as to Michelle. [VOTE: Made] aubergine

[Alison]

I may be guilty of falling victim to sentiment; I just kinda think the kind words here from Grogu either exist in the mafia chat or they're not stated at all out of fear of it being out-of-bounds (given that it is open to be interpreted for alignment).

Let's just say that I'm not going to assume that Grogu thinks or plays like a typical mafia player.

[Alison]

About eod gamestate is hard for me to explain my intuition, i had with Ted a long convo about this in one of the last DVC.
You tried to calm down Nut and Esooa iirc, did i remember this wrong? This is a towny move.

You don't think trying to calm down nutella and Esooa is within my scum range? Seriously?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I may be guilty of falling victim to sentiment; I just kinda think the kind words here from Grogu either exist in the mafia chat or they're not stated at all out of fear of it being out-of-bounds (given that it is open to be interpreted for alignment).

Let's just say that I'm not going to assume that Grogu thinks or plays like a typical mafia player.

fair

[Michelle]

I want to keep my last braincells so i will stop reading Ellie's iso about Made and call it a noob player case without real manipulation behind.
I like the sparkle from Ellie. What i don't like is the tone and too much confidence but that is, like i said, more of a personal thing and less a mafia one imo.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

i will say that ellie, made, and DOOM all being on the LC wagon makes me feel uneasy. i am skeptical of all 3 of those slots being town

I'm pragmatic. I'll move if it means y'all can vote in a way that makes more sense. Ellie is voting in self defense. I don't think that's AI. I really don't see how Ellie is bad here (or at least worst than LC/Essoa)

this person is teamed with Ellie

Any new feelings on this moment, Esooa?

[Michelle]

About eod gamestate is hard for me to explain my intuition, i had with Ted a long convo about this in one of the last DVC.
You tried to calm down Nut and Esooa iirc, did i remember this wrong? This is a towny move.

You don't think trying to calm down nutella and Esooa is within my scum range? Seriously?

It is? Sorry about that, i praise your scum play, but your tone looked genuine for me.
I think you are green.

[Michelle]

My vote is locked, i will not switch my vote, unless i find myself a solid reason to consider Esooa villager.

I need a break from the phone screen, i will bbl

[Esooa]

Even if Ellie and Made are not teamed, I struggle to view their interaction as being wholly authentic. At least one is mafia eye em oh.

definitely agree

[Grogu]

@Grogu Who is mafia?

Good question. Looks like Ellie, michelle not sure the rest

Grogu goes with the thread consensus and i wonder why.

I do. It is bad?
I found you scum yesterday.

[Esooa]

I'm inclined to cleanly separate Michelle from Ellie on the basis of this dialogue. Arguing with someone else about whether your teammate has played 3 games or more than that (when that someone else ought to have the objective knowledge) seems super goofy lol

I think I buy this, which would mean that scum is most likely some variant of Ellie/Made/X, or Michelle/Made/X, where X is like, Grogu or SPF or whatever.

I'm inclined to exe Made since he seems to be partnered with everyone and the charge of pushing nonsensical narratives can just as easily be applied to him as to Michelle. [VOTE: Made] aubergine

I said this under the assumption Ellie was scum, which would make me read this as teamed. However it also could be read, with an assumption of Ellie being town, as TMI'ing her/white knighting

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@Grogu Who is mafia?

Good question. Looks like Ellie, michelle not sure the rest

Grogu goes with the thread consensus and i wonder why.

I do. It is bad?
I found you scum yesterday.

Hi Grogu!

Could you please tell me what you think of Ellie and Made?

[Grogu]

so in other news i was inspired to figure out who daughterofomega is and uh

interesting

Spill

I used to go by AoBenjamin in 2015-2017 on a place called 2+2.
In 2016-2018 was where most people know me from, where my name was changed to BenjiAO.
In early 2019, I was slowly transitioning my gender, and now I go by Rach or Rachel most commonly.

DaughterOfOmega is a reference to my original online tag, which was SonsOfOmega, in which I shared with my brother. It means a lot to me, and as I no longer am male, I don't maintain the Sons part anymore.

If people were wondering who I am, it's not like I was hiding it, so I find Nutella's post somewhat awkward. If you are too bring up who I am, why would you not say it? Just is annoying to bring it up in that manner, as if it's bad to be known.

Interesting story. I have seen you before, glad to hear you are doing good and have completed your transition. I hope you are happy!

I want to permanently dissociate these two (Grogu and Omega). Anyone feel free to object.

What does it mean? They talked about something personal and I wanted to share it was an interesting story and was glad they shared is all. I believe I see him play before, he’s a familiar face compared to everyone else here.

[Alison]

Omega is a she, I think.

[Grogu]

@Grogu Who is mafia?

Good question. Looks like Ellie, michelle not sure the rest

Grogu goes with the thread consensus and i wonder why.

I do. It is bad?
I found you scum yesterday.

Hi Grogu!

Could you please tell me what you think of Ellie and Made?

Made looks town.
Ellie looks scum.
Just feels, I have not done whatever it is you detectives do.
I just read posts as I’m here. I liked you yesterday a lot, but today I feel like you are focusing too much on me. It feels wrong idk.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Hi Grogu!

Could you please tell me what you think of Ellie and Made?

Made looks town.
Ellie looks scum.
Just feels, I have not done whatever it is you detectives do.
I just read posts as I’m here. I liked you yesterday a lot, but today I feel like you are focusing too much on me. It feels wrong idk.
[/quote]

Thanks for answering.

You'll soon see that my focus is on quite literally everyone.

[Grogu]

Omega is a she, I think.

Yes.

[Grogu]

so in other news i was inspired to figure out who daughterofomega is and uh

interesting

Spill

I used to go by AoBenjamin in 2015-2017 on a place called 2+2.
In 2016-2018 was where most people know me from, where my name was changed to BenjiAO.
In early 2019, I was slowly transitioning my gender, and now I go by Rach or Rachel most commonly.

DaughterOfOmega is a reference to my original online tag, which was SonsOfOmega, in which I shared with my brother. It means a lot to me, and as I no longer am male, I don't maintain the Sons part anymore.

If people were wondering who I am, it's not like I was hiding it, so I find Nutella's post somewhat awkward. If you are too bring up who I am, why would you not say it? Just is annoying to bring it up in that manner, as if it's bad to be known.

Interesting story. I have seen you before, glad to hear you are doing good and have completed your transition. I hope you are happy!

I want to permanently dissociate these two (Grogu and Omega). Anyone feel free to object.

What does it mean? They talked about something personal and I wanted to share it was an interesting story and was glad they shared is all. I believe I see him play before, she’s a familiar face compared to everyone else here.

Just made a mistake. My bad

[Grogu]

Hi Grogu!

Could you please tell me what you think of Ellie and Made?

Made looks town.
Ellie looks scum.
Just feels, I have not done whatever it is you detectives do.
I just read posts as I’m here. I liked you yesterday a lot, but today I feel like you are focusing too much on me. It feels wrong idk.

Thanks for answering.

You'll soon see that my focus is on quite literally everyone.
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I am ToWn. I believe Omega is confirm ToWn also, if you believe Grogu and her are teamed is because we are.
Does michelle post a lot as scum? That’s a lot of posts today.

[Michelle]

@Grogu Who is mafia?

Good question. Looks like Ellie, michelle not sure the rest

Grogu goes with the thread consensus and i wonder why.

I do. It is bad?
I found you scum yesterday.

Can you explain why?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I am ToWn. I believe Omega is confirm ToWn also, if you believe Grogu and her are teamed is because we are.
Does michelle post a lot as scum? That’s a lot of posts today.

What makes you so confident about Omega?

I've seen Michelle post a lot more as town than as mafia, though I suspect she is capable of both.

[Grogu]

I like frog eggs. In case anyone wants to be my Friend

[Grogu]

@Grogu Who is mafia?

Good question. Looks like Ellie, michelle not sure the rest

Grogu goes with the thread consensus and i wonder why.

I do. It is bad?
I found you scum yesterday.

Can you explain why?

Don’t know how. I read your posts and my little brain did not like.

[Esooa]

grogu posts rn feel towny tbh

[Alison]

grogu posts rn feel towny tbh

I agree.

[Michelle]

I am ToWn. I believe Omega is confirm ToWn also, if you believe Grogu and her are teamed is because we are.
Does michelle post a lot as scum? That’s a lot of posts today.

What makes you so confident about Omega?

I've seen Michelle post a lot more as town than as mafia, though I suspect she is capable of both.

Thank you for this suspicion tbh

[JaggedJimmyJay]

grogu posts rn feel towny tbh

He seems alright.

[Grogu]

I am ToWn. I believe Omega is confirm ToWn also, if you believe Grogu and her are teamed is because we are.
Does michelle post a lot as scum? That’s a lot of posts today.

What makes you so confident about Omega?

I've seen Michelle post a lot more as town than as mafia, though I suspect she is capable of both.

Ok. What if I am wrong? I will be sad. I don’t know what to do
I like her, posts feel not planned and nice. That is all I will say.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I am ToWn. I believe Omega is confirm ToWn also, if you believe Grogu and her are teamed is because we are.
Does michelle post a lot as scum? That’s a lot of posts today.

What makes you so confident about Omega?

I've seen Michelle post a lot more as town than as mafia, though I suspect she is capable of both.

Ok. What if I am wrong? I will be sad. I don’t know what to do
I like her, posts feel not planned and nice. That is all I will say.

Works for me, Groginator.

I'll stop pestering you with questions now. Use this thread however you like.

[Grogu]

grogu posts rn feel towny tbh

ALL Grogu posts are ToWn!

[Michelle]

@Grogu Who is mafia?

Good question. Looks like Ellie, michelle not sure the rest

Grogu goes with the thread consensus and i wonder why.

I do. It is bad?
I found you scum yesterday.

Can you explain why?

Don’t know how. I read your posts and my little brain did not like.

You have to know how/why, just use your words and tell me pls

[Grogu]

I am ToWn. I believe Omega is confirm ToWn also, if you believe Grogu and her are teamed is because we are.
Does michelle post a lot as scum? That’s a lot of posts today.

What makes you so confident about Omega?

I've seen Michelle post a lot more as town than as mafia, though I suspect she is capable of both.

Ok. What if I am wrong? I will be sad. I don’t know what to do
This is michelle on top^

This is my Friend Omega here v
I like her, posts feel not planned and nice. That is all I will say.

That was confusing just reading. I made it easier to read @JaggedJimmyJay

[Grogu]

@Grogu Who is mafia?

Good question. Looks like Ellie, michelle not sure the rest

Grogu goes with the thread consensus and i wonder why.

I do. It is bad?
I found you scum yesterday.

Can you explain why?

Don’t know how. I read your posts and my little brain did not like.

You have to know how/why, just use your words and tell me pls

I did not make notes.