Bread Mafia [Game Over]

[Michelle]

Good question. Looks like Ellie, michelle not sure the rest

Grogu goes with the thread consensus and i wonder why.

I do. It is bad?
I found you scum yesterday.

Can you explain why?

Don’t know how. I read your posts and my little brain did not like.

You have to know how/why, just use your words and tell me pls

I did not make notes.

I don't make notes either but i keep in mind enough to explain my reads.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Don't think this exchange (or a few earlier in the game) looks like a Michelle/Grogu team.

[Esooa]

Don't think this exchange (or a few earlier in the game) looks like a Michelle/Grogu team.

disagree with this exchange. Idk about the earlier ones but scum!Michelle welcomes the anti spew

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Michelle is hiding something.
Positive is town

hi grogu elaborate on your michelle read please

and your other ones for that matter

I do not know how.
Michelle posting feels sus, like they are hiding something.
I really like positive posts.
Mac kinda sus
Con was scummy, but their latest posts looked better.

just kinda doubt Grogu opens his first game on a new forum by pooping on his teammate

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@staypositivefriend why does everyone think ur mafia. Have you not been positive, friend?

This is not true. They are ToWn!

i dunno bro it kinda feels like you're TMI'ing me

I am sorry. I did not mean to offend you. I have enjoy reading your posts and I have very similar thoughts.

I love Grogu

also not teamed with SPF

[Michelle]

Don't think this exchange (or a few earlier in the game) looks like a Michelle/Grogu team.

disagree with this exchange. Idk about the earlier ones but scum!Michelle welcomes the anti spew

As expected from you, you think you know my scum game.
That's funny

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Buckets of wifom in the Michelle/Made interaction

[Esooa]

Don't think this exchange (or a few earlier in the game) looks like a Michelle/Grogu team.

disagree with this exchange. Idk about the earlier ones but scum!Michelle welcomes the anti spew

As expected from you, you think you know my scum game.
That's funny

thinking I need some kinda extensive meta on you to read you while complaining nutella is using any kind of meta on you is literally outing by the way

[Esooa]

michelle is blatantly reaching for every possible reason she's being incorrectly read

is that enough to override her perceived non-survival mindset in her "reads" ?

imo yes

[JaggedJimmyJay]

In my analysis I am arriving at a bizarre Made/Michelle/Ellie love triangle that seems to work great with two of them, but Michelle/Ellie prevents the full team. I'll continue assessing though and we'll see.

[Esooa]

In my analysis I am arriving at a bizarre Made/Michelle/Ellie love triangle that seems to work great with two of them, but Michelle/Ellie prevents the full team. I'll continue assessing though and we'll see.

why does Michelle Ellie prevent it

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Okay y'all. Write out your hypotetical towncores, because i don't think they line up.

Like Alison, SPF isn't even in your towncore???

if Made mafia, TMI SPF town

[JaggedJimmyJay]

In my analysis I am arriving at a bizarre Made/Michelle/Ellie love triangle that seems to work great with two of them, but Michelle/Ellie prevents the full team. I'll continue assessing though and we'll see.

why does Michelle Ellie prevent it

I don't think they fit together. I'll expand in a bit.

[Michelle]

michelle is blatantly reaching for every possible reason she's being incorrectly read

is that enough to override her perceived non-survival mindset in her "reads" ?

imo yes

You are misinterpreting me

[Esooa]

Okay y'all. Write out your hypotetical towncores, because i don't think they line up.

Like Alison, SPF isn't even in your towncore???

if Made mafia, TMI SPF town

are you ruling out the potential team pairings spf can have with made

[Michelle]

Don't think this exchange (or a few earlier in the game) looks like a Michelle/Grogu team.

disagree with this exchange. Idk about the earlier ones but scum!Michelle welcomes the anti spew

As expected from you, you think you know my scum game.
That's funny

thinking I need some kinda extensive meta on you to read you while complaining nutella is using any kind of meta on you is literally outing by the way

I think common sense is enough to read me

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Okay y'all. Write out your hypotetical towncores, because i don't think they line up.

Like Alison, SPF isn't even in your towncore???

if Made mafia, TMI SPF town

are you ruling out the potential team pairings spf can have with made

I'm looking at every two-way interaction in the game.

[Esooa]

I meant that as do you believe it's not plausible but carry in y

[Esooa]

carry on*

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I meant that as do you believe it's not plausible but carry in y

"Not plausible" would be strong words, but I think that Made post would be a pretty good indicator in SPF's favor.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[if he's mafia]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@Michelle what's your read on me?

[Michelle]

@Michelle what's your read on me?

Villager, i answered to Alison recently

[Esooa]

@Michelle can you try and summarize your scum read on me

[Michelle]

@Michelle can you try and summarize your scum read on me

No

[Esooa]

@Michelle can you try and summarize your scum read on me

No

unsurprised

[Esooa]

(it's not a real read)

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@Michelle can you try and summarize your scum read on me

No

Please, could you just provide the summary?

For me to be able to parse this combat, I need folks to communicate in good faith.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Day 2 blind interaction analysis

For those unfamiliar, the chart is simple -- any block where two names intersect (horizontally and vertically) represents the interaction of those two players in this game. The color reflects to what extent I feel those two fit together as mafia teammates:

Green - I don't think they fit together well as mafia teammates.

Yellow - I cannot conclusively say that they are not mafia teammates,

Orange - I believe there are indicators that could suggest they are mafia teammates.

When I do this, I ignore all of my individual reads on players and try my best to be objective. That's why everyone is included (I'm not going to spend time analyzing myself). Every judgment is based upon a single question: if I assume player X is mafia, how does that reflect upon player Y?

I deliberately avoid spamming the thread with mass analyses while I do this. Nobody reads or cares. I have shared some tidbits as I went though, and I invite anyone to ask for me to expand on any interaction of interest to you. I will do so. I will share some conclusions and thoughts soon. For the time being, I really need a shower. Doing all of this made funk pool in my armpits.

[Esooa]

why can't Ellie and Michelle be together

[Michelle]

@Michelle can you try and summarize your scum read on me

No

Please, could you just provide the summary?

For me to be able to parse this combat, I need folks to communicate in good faith.

She is not playing in good faith so i can't trust her.

So.
Yday i saw on LC a huge wagon of 7, saved it and said is way too big for a wolf.
Iirc Alison scolded me later saying the wagon is for obv maf and Spf said my wagon in finale was as big, so i liked Alison 's tone and disliked how Spf was so hypocrite (memory, didn't reread)
After this Esooa got cold feet and said LC is villager and we should hung Ellie because case and they had an interaction. Wagon on Ellie grew fast.
Soon after a wagon on Made was created.
Thread calmed down and i fell asleep.
Woke up at 4 am just to see the day was hammered on villa Long Con and i didn't even want to read overnight


At sod i started to play late and i read only the first page who screamed scum Esooa from any single post from her.
At least my gut said so, i came and voted. Suddenly everyone and their mother said i have to be scum because i dare to have a read opposed with the thread.
Read felt good and thread felt like they don't care about me so i lost my desire to be serious.
In short Nut 'realised' only scum me can play like this and also SPF opportunistically voted me.
I have experience with wolves pushing all for an uncomfortable player so i said they are all scum.
Is not rocket science, Esooa was only putting gasoline on the fire and from all three i am most confident of the flip.

[Michelle]

Sorry if took so long, i was also preparing dinner

[Alison]

@Michelle can you try and summarize your scum read on me

No

Please, could you just provide the summary?

For me to be able to parse this combat, I need folks to communicate in good faith.

She is not playing in good faith so i can't trust her.

So.
Yday i saw on LC a huge wagon of 7, saved it and said is way too big for a wolf.
Iirc Alison scolded me later saying the wagon is for obv maf and Spf said my wagon in finale was as big, so i liked Alison 's tone and disliked how Spf was so hypocrite (memory, didn't reread)
After this Esooa got cold feet and said LC is villager and we should hung Ellie because case and they had an interaction. Wagon on Ellie grew fast.
Soon after a wagon on Made was created.
Thread calmed down and i fell asleep.
Woke up at 4 am just to see the day was hammered on villa Long Con and i didn't even want to read overnight


At sod i started to play late and i read only the first page who screamed scum Esooa from any single post from her.
At least my gut said so, i came and voted. Suddenly everyone and their mother said i have to be scum because i dare to have a read opposed with the thread.
Read felt good and thread felt like they don't care about me so i lost my desire to be serious.
In short Nut 'realised' only scum me can play like this and also SPF opportunistically voted me.
I have experience with wolves pushing all for an uncomfortable player so i said they are all scum.
Is not rocket science, Esooa was only putting gasoline on the fire and from all three i am most confident of the flip.

If Esooa is scum, why would she get "cold feet" about the LC (town) exe and put her neck on the chopping block to push Ellie? Why not just sit back and munch on popcorn as LC dies?

[Esooa]

lmfao Michelle thinking me town reading LC had literally anything to do with her comment when I literally criticized her comment for being really surface level, and by the way also had LC as town before she made
@ anyone who thinks there is ever a possibility that I in any way TMI'd LC

why did michelle not do the same here

[Alison]

Also, why would all the wolves pile on you simultaneously like that, potentially exposing themselves/forming links between each other later on that could spew them red, just to get you exed when you were already in the POE and not widely trusted anyway?

[Michelle]

@Michelle can you try and summarize your scum read on me

No

Please, could you just provide the summary?

For me to be able to parse this combat, I need folks to communicate in good faith.

She is not playing in good faith so i can't trust her.

So.
Yday i saw on LC a huge wagon of 7, saved it and said is way too big for a wolf.
Iirc Alison scolded me later saying the wagon is for obv maf and Spf said my wagon in finale was as big, so i liked Alison 's tone and disliked how Spf was so hypocrite (memory, didn't reread)
After this Esooa got cold feet and said LC is villager and we should hung Ellie because case and they had an interaction. Wagon on Ellie grew fast.
Soon after a wagon on Made was created.
Thread calmed down and i fell asleep.
Woke up at 4 am just to see the day was hammered on villa Long Con and i didn't even want to read overnight


At sod i started to play late and i read only the first page who screamed scum Esooa from any single post from her.
At least my gut said so, i came and voted. Suddenly everyone and their mother said i have to be scum because i dare to have a read opposed with the thread.
Read felt good and thread felt like they don't care about me so i lost my desire to be serious.
In short Nut 'realised' only scum me can play like this and also SPF opportunistically voted me.
I have experience with wolves pushing all for an uncomfortable player so i said they are all scum.
Is not rocket science, Esooa was only putting gasoline on the fire and from all three i am most confident of the flip.

If Esooa is scum, why would she get "cold feet" about the LC (town) exe and put her neck on the chopping block to push Ellie? Why not just sit back and munch on popcorn as LC dies?

Because Mac explained so well she can be scum so she had to act.

[Esooa]

@Michelle can you try and summarize your scum read on me

No

Please, could you just provide the summary?

For me to be able to parse this combat, I need folks to communicate in good faith.

She is not playing in good faith so i can't trust her.

So.
Yday i saw on LC a huge wagon of 7, saved it and said is way too big for a wolf.
Iirc Alison scolded me later saying the wagon is for obv maf and Spf said my wagon in finale was as big, so i liked Alison 's tone and disliked how Spf was so hypocrite (memory, didn't reread)
After this Esooa got cold feet and said LC is villager and we should hung Ellie because case and they had an interaction. Wagon on Ellie grew fast.
Soon after a wagon on Made was created.
Thread calmed down and i fell asleep.
Woke up at 4 am just to see the day was hammered on villa Long Con and i didn't even want to read overnight


At sod i started to play late and i read only the first page who screamed scum Esooa from any single post from her.
At least my gut said so, i came and voted. Suddenly everyone and their mother said i have to be scum because i dare to have a read opposed with the thread.
Read felt good and thread felt like they don't care about me so i lost my desire to be serious.
In short Nut 'realised' only scum me can play like this and also SPF opportunistically voted me.
I have experience with wolves pushing all for an uncomfortable player so i said they are all scum.
Is not rocket science, Esooa was only putting gasoline on the fire and from all three i am most confident of the flip.

If Esooa is scum, why would she get "cold feet" about the LC (town) exe and put her neck on the chopping block to push Ellie? Why not just sit back and munch on popcorn as LC dies?

Because Mac explained so well she can be scum so she had to act.

nothing you say makes any sense

mac did that AFTER I defended lc and because of it

[Michelle]

Also, why would all the wolves pile on you simultaneously like that, potentially exposing themselves/forming links between each other later on that could spew them red, just to get you exed when you were already in the POE and not widely trusted anyway?

For the reasoning you are exposing here.
For being illogical from villagery perspective.
All of them are perfectly capable to do this

[Alison]

Mac's theory was that she was scum with LC. If Mac was so influential on the gamestate, then LC would have been exed and Esooa just has to shrug her shoulders and go "see? Mac's theory was wrong". Again, no reason to run up Ellie there and potentially make herself look bad.

[Michelle]

@Michelle can you try and summarize your scum read on me

No

Please, could you just provide the summary?

For me to be able to parse this combat, I need folks to communicate in good faith.

She is not playing in good faith so i can't trust her.

So.
Yday i saw on LC a huge wagon of 7, saved it and said is way too big for a wolf.
Iirc Alison scolded me later saying the wagon is for obv maf and Spf said my wagon in finale was as big, so i liked Alison 's tone and disliked how Spf was so hypocrite (memory, didn't reread)
After this Esooa got cold feet and said LC is villager and we should hung Ellie because case and they had an interaction. Wagon on Ellie grew fast.
Soon after a wagon on Made was created.
Thread calmed down and i fell asleep.
Woke up at 4 am just to see the day was hammered on villa Long Con and i didn't even want to read overnight


At sod i started to play late and i read only the first page who screamed scum Esooa from any single post from her.
At least my gut said so, i came and voted. Suddenly everyone and their mother said i have to be scum because i dare to have a read opposed with the thread.
Read felt good and thread felt like they don't care about me so i lost my desire to be serious.
In short Nut 'realised' only scum me can play like this and also SPF opportunistically voted me.
I have experience with wolves pushing all for an uncomfortable player so i said they are all scum.
Is not rocket science, Esooa was only putting gasoline on the fire and from all three i am most confident of the flip.

If Esooa is scum, why would she get "cold feet" about the LC (town) exe and put her neck on the chopping block to push Ellie? Why not just sit back and munch on popcorn as LC dies?

Because Mac explained so well she can be scum so she had to act.

nothing you say makes any sense

mac did that AFTER I defended lc and because of it

He SR ypu before

[Alison]

Also, why would all the wolves pile on you simultaneously like that, potentially exposing themselves/forming links between each other later on that could spew them red, just to get you exed when you were already in the POE and not widely trusted anyway?

For the reasoning you are exposing here.
For being illogical from villagery perspective.
All of them are perfectly capable to do this

No clue about Esooa and SPF but this isn't in nutella's wolf range. She doesn't mind game that deep when she's scum. Can you show me a game that makes you think this behavior is in nutella's scum range?

[Michelle]

lmfao Michelle thinking me town reading LC had literally anything to do with her comment when I literally criticized her comment for being really surface level, and by the way also had LC as town before she made
@ anyone who thinks there is ever a possibility that I in any way TMI'd LC

why did michelle not do the same here

I had a logic for town LC, you didn't have

[Michelle]

Also, why would all the wolves pile on you simultaneously like that, potentially exposing themselves/forming links between each other later on that could spew them red, just to get you exed when you were already in the POE and not widely trusted anyway?

For the reasoning you are exposing here.
For being illogical from villagery perspective.
All of them are perfectly capable to do this

No clue about Esooa and SPF but this isn't in nutella's wolf range. She doesn't mind game that deep when she's scum. Can you show me a game that makes you think this behavior is in nutella's scum range?

I don't trust meta so i don't keep it in mind.
People evolve, meta can change.
You are looking at meta like it is a piece of iron.
Instead meta is like water imo
She is capable scum, so no, i don't think like you

[Esooa]

lmfao Michelle thinking me town reading LC had literally anything to do with her comment when I literally criticized her comment for being really surface level, and by the way also had LC as town before she made
@ anyone who thinks there is ever a possibility that I in any way TMI'd LC

why did michelle not do the same here

I had a logic for town LC, you didn't have

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[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

[Michelle]

lmfao Michelle thinking me town reading LC had literally anything to do with her comment when I literally criticized her comment for being really surface level, and by the way also had LC as town before she made
@ anyone who thinks there is ever a possibility that I in any way TMI'd LC

why did michelle not do the same here

I had a logic for town LC, you didn't have

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[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

Geez truth bothered you so bad?

[Alison]

I'm gonna be honest, my townread on you is fading. I poked holes in your reasoning to see if you'd change your views, but you're rigidly holding to them and clutching at straws (eg. "yes this is out of nutella's usual scum range but what if she magically became 5x better at scum overnight???") to cling onto them.

To me one of the strengths of town Michelle's play is that you have the ability to be fluid with your reads and boldly re-assess them if you think it will help you get a more accurate view of the game. When I was wolfing against you in Simpsons and 8 Ball, you went from townreading me to suddenly getting pinged my a post of mine and ran me up really fast, which messed with my plans. That showed a fluidity of thought and an ability to make sudden, sharp changes in reads when you realized you've gone wrong. In contrast, your lines of reasoning here are stiff and resistant to being swayed by logic. This would make sense if you, eg. realized that your wacky reads are drawing townreads because of their contrarian nature, and are trying to stick to them as steadfastly as possible in the hopes of projecting conviction and maintaining those townreads on you.

[Esooa]

not actually gonna vote for maj reasons but (insert every confused person meme template here)

[Michelle]

Alison i think you have no clue of how stubborn i am.
Your wall shows it, and no matter how many holes you think my reasoning have i will tell you i don't care about this.
Until i see with my eyes Nut flipping green i don't trust she is villager because of the way she treat me.
You don't understand how much i dislike any opinion who is so certain about me without trying a direct interaction and a honest read.

[Michelle]

Ayay what a word salad your second part of the post Alison ngl

[DaughterOfOmega]

I don't feel confident in my reads, although I am hesitant to vote off Michelle because the others I see as sus are voting Michelle

tricky