DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 3:29 pm
I don't feel confident in my reads, although I am hesitant to vote off Michelle because the others I see as sus are voting Michelle
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 3:26 pm
Alison i think you have no clue of how stubborn i am.
Your wall shows it, and no matter how many holes you think my reasoning have i will tell you i don't care about this.
Until i see with my eyes Nut flipping green i don't trust she is villager because of the way she treat me.
You don't understand how much i dislike any opinion who is so certain about me without trying a direct interaction and a honest read.
I’ll come clean team. I have failed you.
I never expected to survive the night. I was very confused about the char flip and I was on my way to a very hot date. We stayed overnight to celebrate my girl bday and vday weekend. Last thing in my mind was the game... I never submitted an action last night.
DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 3:29 pm
I don't feel confident in my reads, although I am hesitant to vote off Michelle because the others I see as sus are voting Michelle
tricky
Who are your suspects?
Ellie Nutella Grogu Nanook could all be mafia fmpov
For those unfamiliar, the chart is simple -- any block where two names intersect (horizontally and vertically) represents the interaction of those two players in this game. The color reflects to what extent I feel those two fit together as mafia teammates:
Green - I don't think they fit together well as mafia teammates.
Yellow - I cannot conclusively say that they are not mafia teammates,
Orange - I believe there are indicators that could suggest they are mafia teammates.
When I do this, I ignore all of my individual reads on players and try my best to be objective. That's why everyone is included (I'm not going to spend time analyzing myself). Every judgment is based upon a single question: if I assume player X is mafia, how does that reflect upon player Y?
I deliberately avoid spamming the thread with mass analyses while I do this. Nobody reads or cares. I have shared some tidbits as I went though, and I invite anyone to ask for me to expand on any interaction of interest to you. I will do so. I will share some conclusions and thoughts soon. For the time being, I really need a shower. Doing all of this made funk pool in my armpits.
really wanna know why today made it seem like Made and I were allied? I can see D1 but I think his irrational defense of me today and me trying to get him baked doesnt make sense .
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:09 am
@EllieDelight why are you playing mafia?
that's a good question, my friend. first it was for someone else, but now it's because it's a mix between a good time filler game, like cookie clicker, and a chat room. idk i like it but i have a bad attention span.
hbu
1. We have to play and mindmeld a lot until you have the right to call me friend, i refuse this even to Nut so imagine we can't be friends earlier than 3 years or so.
2. I play to play. I like the game, it's fascinating me. Playing it is the purpose, and i rarely care about the outcome of the game. I don't care about alignament lately, either mine or someone else's and i dislike when someone explains me my meta like they own my soul.
catching up this morning my only thoughts are
A, Michelle is even more scummy than before, or tripping balls on something
B, Seeing people I read town scum read me hurts my heart, especially since it's so understandable.
C, Idk how some people dont scum read made
EllieDelight wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 3:40 pm
really wanna know why today made it seem like Made and I were allied? I can see D1 but I think his irrational defense of me today and me trying to get him baked doesnt make sense .
I agree that it doesn't make sense. I don't think either of your reads make sense. Something's wrong there, and I don't think it's hard to believe that it's on purpose both ways.
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EllieDelight wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:38 am
how many votes to hammer? i want to vote LongCon (if he's town spf dies, gg ez game over) but i dont want to dogpile too fast
Whoa whoa, why does SPF die if I'm town?
I think one is mafia between michelle and spf. spf is also pushing you, so if you're town then that means i have two reason to think she's mafia. if youre mafia though that means Michelle is too so they die. gg ez. unless yall are pulling some 5head play but I don't think so [VOTE:
Long Con] aubergine
I am working on expanding on the Michelle/Ellie interaction. This post might be the best counter-argument that they actually do fit together.
"definitely mafia between SPF and Michelle, so vote LC"
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EllieDelight wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 3:40 pm
really wanna know why today made it seem like Made and I were allied? I can see D1 but I think his irrational defense of me today and me trying to get him baked doesnt make sense .
I agree that it doesn't make sense. I don't think either of your reads make sense. Something's wrong there, and I don't think it's hard to believe that it's on purpose both ways.
fair, but i dont think me bussing made makes sense when i was the more scummier target at the beginning of the day though.
(I hope im using bussing right, i assume it means throwing a mafia teammate under the bus but im not sure)
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:50 am
my main poe is michelle/made/longcon/omega in roughly that order, then the zero posters as default poe, then tutuu bc i still feel kinda icky around half the time she says stuff
That's too big of a Poe
EllieDelight wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:51 am
ok i give up on catching up. this is what i have to say instead:
Michelle, the only meta i have is that Ive spectated one game. Played one mafia where we won(some would say town was really bad that game but i like to think im just that good) And one town where we won.
Ive played all of those with Esooa, and she's fine at this game I guess, I think I know how to spot her mafia though so I'll pay attention to that.
And my pfp might count as anime(i pray not). Its a japanese game in an anime style but it's not a show or movie.
Also im Sourdough so im good.
What game we played and who were you in that game?
Sourdough should be tasty
er sorry, i worded that poorly, i havent played with you before. i meant was as in "my team".
I don’t understand what you meant there then.
These early exchanges are pretty fluffy and mean little to me.
EllieDelight wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:13 pm
Michelle im confused why you're confused about in #819. you asked for meta on me and I told you all i had was my past history of games. I dont know what more you want
I am confused why you are confused, it was the wording you choose in the post i quoted, but i will not go back at it on phone.
It's a nothingburger with not enough bread.
Ah and the next post, what gives you this idea?
EllieDelight wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:18 pm
so like, there's definitely at least one scum between spf and Michelle right?
I think one is mafia between michelle and spf. spf is also pushing you, so if you're town then that means i have two reason to think she's mafia. if youre mafia though that means Michelle is too so they die. gg ez. unless yall are pulling some 5head play but I don't think so [VOTE:
Long Con] aubergine
hi ellie, could you please walk me through how you reached those conclusions so quickly? why does me & michelle have to contain one mafia? is it not possible for us to both be town?
and why does long con being mafia make michelle mafia too? because i would be town if long con was maf?
i thought y'all's argument was m/t. idk which but I would be flabbergasted if it it was t/t. and yeah, if youre town mich is mafia. gg ez
Doubling down on that, huh? Lordy. [VOTE:
Ellie] aubergine for this flimsy and phony logic.
if i die my reads are still here. town is guaranteed win, told you so tutuu
Experience told me that dead players reads are usually ignored, especially when they don't look logical.
I sense a degree of mutual opportunism in these exchanges, if either one is mafia, such that they're contributing to one another's environment of discomfort in the game and even setting up long-term blame (e.g. Ellie ensuring Michelle is to blame for a town Long Con flip). It's not entirely incompatible with distancing; I'm not sure it is that though.
Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:31 am
I think lc is town
this is false, you think lc is mafia
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:56 pm
player i forget about the most: ellie
whatever that means. i am sure she's great and not forgettable; i am just not in tune with their posts man
p a i n. this hurts
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:57 pm
ellie is def poe for me, perhaps more so than doom/grogu
explain plz
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:03 pm
i havent caught up with the thread yet, but i just wanna note that i'm starting to come around to a michelle!town world. it's not a read i would say with any level of confidence, but i thought the way she engaged long con a couple of pages ago was distinctly towny/inquisitive in a way that i didn't pick up on in the rest of her posts. it made me feel like i jumped the gun on reading her
wrong. michelle is scummy imo, and i think her interactions with LC was scummy too.
I find that the last sentence may contradict the fact Ellie is inexperienced player.
I will no longer consider her as playing her 3rd or whatever under 5 number of games.
And sorry i fell asleep like a chicken earlier and i will go to bed. @ me, etc
Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:10 pm
bruh Ellie literally is playing her 3rd game
I said this and I know it
I don't believe a player at the 3rd game is talking like that with an experienced player like SPF
The word 'wrong' is showinga self confidence who is normal at other level of play.
Why do you feel the need to asnwer for her?
becuase you're literally making bullshit up for no reason
I KNOW Ellie personally IRL and I invited her to her first forum game and I taught her some stuff about how to play
I am sharing my thoughts, and you are litterally blocking my interaction i want to have with her.
Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:27 pm
You are saying Ellie is lying about the amount of games she's played when that's straight up not true
You are her lawyer or what?
What from i wanted an interaction with her was not in english?
Is not like you have a ton of experience yourself and when you jump and stop an interaction not adressed at you accusing someone of bulshitting you have to explain why becasue is not a natural behaviour. And the fact you know her irl is not relevant for the game.
Remember you didn't want to explain earlier how do you perceive the gamestate because allegedly you waited for content, but you can't observe you can stay in your place when the convo is about someone else.
where is your head at?
Michelle ought to know that Esooa is more well-versed in Ellie's playing experience than she is, so I'd find it pretty goofy to argue with Esooa about one's own teammate in such a guaranteed losing battle.
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 6:01 pm
Hey guys, let’s take a step back maybe. Esooa, I don’t think Michelle meant any offense. Michelle, probably not a great idea to accuse someone of actively lying about their experience level.
I wanted to talk to Ellie about this.
Esooa, who is voting Ellie, is against any question on this matter, like Ellie doesn't have her own keyboard to answer me. I don't like it.
And i don't accept insults.
Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:31 am
I think lc is town
this is false, you think lc is mafia
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:56 pm
player i forget about the most: ellie
whatever that means. i am sure she's great and not forgettable; i am just not in tune with their posts man
p a i n. this hurts
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:57 pm
ellie is def poe for me, perhaps more so than doom/grogu
explain plz
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:03 pm
i havent caught up with the thread yet, but i just wanna note that i'm starting to come around to a michelle!town world. it's not a read i would say with any level of confidence, but i thought the way she engaged long con a couple of pages ago was distinctly towny/inquisitive in a way that i didn't pick up on in the rest of her posts. it made me feel like i jumped the gun on reading her
wrong. michelle is scummy imo, and i think her interactions with LC was scummy too.
I find that the last sentence may contradict the fact Ellie is inexperienced player.
I will no longer consider her as playing her 3rd or whatever under 5 number of games.
And sorry i fell asleep like a chicken earlier and i will go to bed. @ me, etc
lol the funny thing about actually being new is that when people say i play more experienced its just a straight up lie and it looks scummy as fuck
I didn't say you play experienced, i said your attitude towards an experienced player does not match with a noob.
I don't care how looks for you my mistrust in your game experience tbh
There's a degree of toxicity in this dialogue that ought not exist in a distancing act, at least not between players respecting the spirit of the game. Ellie's reply at the bottom there with "straight up lie" is, in my experience, more typical of mafia talking to town than mafia talking to mafia.
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:59 am
ellie, you said earlier that you were 100% sure that there's a mafia within me and michelle
do you still feel that way? if so, why haven't you pursued or talked about that angle recently? it does not seem that your current reads are being influenced by the extremely confident read you outed like 24 hours ago
nah im at lime 30% now. honestly i dont think either of you are but im too ego to completely admit i was at fault lol
i was wolfreading you more and more and then you had to go and make a towny ass post like this
EllieDelight wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:38 am
how many votes to hammer? i want to vote LongCon (if he's town spf dies, gg ez game over) but i dont want to dogpile too fast
Whoa whoa, why does SPF die if I'm town?
I think one is mafia between michelle and spf. spf is also pushing you, so if you're town then that means i have two reason to think she's mafia. if youre mafia though that means Michelle is too so they die. gg ez. unless yall are pulling some 5head play but I don't think so [VOTE:
Long Con] aubergine
I highlighted this one a minute ago. This is the worst look I have found that could suggest my green block conclusion was incorrect. It's just one post, but assess as you might.
There are many other posts from Ellie, but I think most of them are already covered here one way or another in spirit. The two were, for the majority of Day 1, mutually antagonistic. I will avoid Day 2 stuff for now as I think it introduces unnecessary bias.
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Conclusion - I highlighted a few of the moments that I think look dissociated. I can see arguments the other way. If votes matter, it can at least be stated that Michelle put Ellie in the danger zone twice when a town Long Con was pretty easy to destroy instead.
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EllieDelight wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 3:40 pm
really wanna know why today made it seem like Made and I were allied? I can see D1 but I think his irrational defense of me today and me trying to get him baked doesnt make sense .
I agree that it doesn't make sense. I don't think either of your reads make sense. Something's wrong there, and I don't think it's hard to believe that it's on purpose both ways.
fair, but i dont think me bussing made makes sense when i was the more scummier target at the beginning of the day though.
(I hope im using bussing right, i assume it means throwing a mafia teammate under the bus but im not sure)
That would be the gist of the term, sure. In this case I'd call it "distancing" instead though -- you'd expect to be the next to die, and you'd want Made to look better when you're gone.
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nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 3:43 pm
im not caught up but i see colors. jay can you explain why tf michelle and nanook are green i think they basically outed as w/w lol
Yeah but I don't want to do another huge one. I'll find highlights.
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Who would you like to bake today?
Poll runs till Fri Jan 22, 2021 5:00 am
Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.
You may select 1 option
Alison
1
9%
Voters: Made
DaughterOfOmega
0
No votes
Voters: None
DkKoba
0
No votes
Voters: None
EllieDelight
1
9%
Voters: Long Con
Esooa
0
No votes
Voters: None
Grogu
0
No votes
Voters: None
JaggedJimmyJay
1
9%
Voters: tutuu
Long Con
5
45%
Voters: EllieDelight, nutella, Alison, staypositivefriend, Esooa
MacDougall
0
No votes
Voters: None
Made
0
No votes
Voters: None
Michelle
1
9%
Voters: DkKoba
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
0
No votes
Voters: None
nutella
0
No votes
Voters: None
staypositivefriend
1
9%
Voters: Michelle
tutuu
0
No votes
Voters: None
No Bake
0
No votes
Voters: None
Unvote
0
No votes
Voters: None
I'm a gluten fiend (Host, Mods, Nonplayers)
1
9%
Voters: Marmot
Total votes: 11
Oh my,
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 8:58 am
When on earth a player like LC has such a huge wagon on day 1 of a game and one who claimed wolf like me and is supected by everyone and their mother has just one vote?
Probably he scum slipped, but i am not sold on that, but keeping all day a single wagon is antitown iykwim
And the game has few mafia monsters, none of them stressed by such thing.
I will try to read and see what happened.
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1
6% Voters: Marmot Total votes: 16
I kept the last VC in this form to be easy to work with
Wagons of day 1 i saved, i let everyone to study them, i may go to sleep.
Probably not be able to check them on laptop until tomorow
If you feel the need to hammer, you have my reads and these, wish you good luck
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:42 am
michelle, i'm kinda scumreading the stuff youve been posting
do you have any reads or general impressions from your catch-up so far?
yea but i still have a work in progress for page 6, so
Do your best to scum read me, I don't mind
do you mind sharing a few of the initial reads u have right now? they dont need to be fleshed out, i just wanna hear where you're at
some unbaked thoughts:
I think Tutuu is wolfing no matter Alison's AI
Dk may be indeed town spewed by the thread and I liked the posts
I think is one wolf in no/low posters
I wouldn't bet my life on Made being villager in this moment of my catch up but i think his town equity is 90%
Nut is 50/50 for me rn Nanook has no reason to town read me when all the thread says i am bad, so i think he is v
JJJ was not yet playing, but i am behind few pages
i don't want to have a read on you, so i blocked my radar in your direction.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:30 pm
Ah ok u town. Ur reads are fine. Tutuu and Nook are sus tho.
I agree with Tutuu, but Nanook was the only one to TR me when the thread started to SR me, and i find not prodictive from mafia perspective to give risky TRs.
I don't think he is mafia.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:21 am
hey nanook question is your mac strategy when mafia to just buddy and pocket me and hang on for the ride?
I’m not sure what it would be without dunia as my hydra head lol
Probably either try to skate by D1 and N1 you or intentionally rile you up so you don’t solve past me.
this man is town ppl, never kill him (you will after I die dont lie i know u will u noobs)
Mac had an instant town read for Nanook. Nice.
If Michelle is mafia, these look super pockety to me. The first response to nutella would seem pretty TMI. The last one with Mac especially is like everyone look at me, I read Nanook as town!!!. I think there's a lot of that in Michelle's early play. She was broadcasting that read with absolute joy, and I think she wanted Nanook to be pleased with her -- if she is mafia.
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:37 am
Just generally speaking, I think this game is out of control.
Let's get it back under control.
Like this attitude is inconceivable to me when we have a large wagon on someone who literally started lolcatting and making nonsensical antispewy accusations. I feel like we are actually pinning down the scum. Maybe since you weren't live in the thread during those interactions it feels different to you but I was expecting town!you to just sheep me on Michelle even before she imploded.
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:09 am
@EllieDelight why are you playing mafia?
that's a good question, my friend. first it was for someone else, but now it's because it's a mix between a good time filler game, like cookie clicker, and a chat room. idk i like it but i have a bad attention span.
hbu
1. We have to play and mindmeld a lot until you have the right to call me friend, i refuse this even to Nut so imagine we can't be friends earlier than 3 years or so.
2. I play to play. I like the game, it's fascinating me. Playing it is the purpose, and i rarely care about the outcome of the game. I don't care about alignament lately, either mine or someone else's and i dislike when someone explains me my meta like they own my soul.
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 3:57 pm
I thought it was pockety but then nanook last night was ehh
I need to do yours for you also. I am not liking your entrance from this morning tbh. Seems like you're uneasy with the consensus on Michelle
I'm definitely uneasy with the thread feeling toxic and crappy. My objective today, apart from the analysis, has been to calm this shit down and regain control of what felt like chaos. I do feel like we're getting better here. The attitude isn't quite as awful to read.
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:37 am
Just generally speaking, I think this game is out of control.
Let's get it back under control.
Like this attitude is inconceivable to me when we have a large wagon on someone who literally started lolcatting and making nonsensical antispewy accusations. I feel like we are actually pinning down the scum. Maybe since you weren't live in the thread during those interactions it feels different to you but I was expecting town!you to just sheep me on Michelle even before she imploded.
This thread was miserable to read when I got my power back.
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:37 am
Just generally speaking, I think this game is out of control.
Let's get it back under control.
Like this attitude is inconceivable to me when we have a large wagon on someone who literally started lolcatting and making nonsensical antispewy accusations. I feel like we are actually pinning down the scum. Maybe since you weren't live in the thread during those interactions it feels different to you but I was expecting town!you to just sheep me on Michelle even before she imploded.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:37 am
Just generally speaking, I think this game is out of control.
Let's get it back under control.
Like this attitude is inconceivable to me when we have a large wagon on someone who literally started lolcatting and making nonsensical antispewy accusations. I feel like we are actually pinning down the scum. Maybe since you weren't live in the thread during those interactions it feels different to you but I was expecting town!you to just sheep me on Michelle even before she imploded.
This thread was miserable to read when I got my power back.
Miserable.
everything since the beginning of D2 has felt like Saw movie or something. IDK if mafia games end up like this usually but there's not a good vibe at all.
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 3:43 pm
im not caught up but i see colors. jay can you explain why tf michelle and nanook are green i think they basically outed as w/w lol
Lynch me and you will see i am outed partner with Long Con.
~ tutuu is town. Go ahead and seal that up. She doesn't fit with many people, and she seems town as hell anyway.
~ I don't think the analysis did anything to create new tinfoil for people I viewed as town prior, primarily nutella and Nanook. It worked out nicely for Esooa as well, who I think only fits on limited and low-probability mafia teams.
~ It's not super conclusive for the town reads more proned to tinfoil, e.g. Alison and SPF, but nor does it make me worry more about either of them.
~ A pretty clear POE pile of four emerges: [Ellie, Made, Michelle, Grogu]. There's enough inter-compatibility among them that I think it works nicely. The POE can be as big as six, so add two more for best results.
~ DK was difficult to parse given the drop in participation rate and the relatively low content-depth per post. From a production standpoint he isn't that different from Grogu, though I would still say he feels more town than not.
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Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:27 pm
I'd be tempted to agree with your point about Michelle if she wasn't putting effort into scum reading literally
myself, Nutella, spf
which uh, yeah lol
Would you say those are reads that are likely to help Michelle survive [in her eyes]?
not particularly, but I'd be quite surprised if these are reads town Michelle believed.
This. I don't care about whether there's reasonable "agenda" in there. I don't think that's necessarily how scum Michelle operates. I simply cannot believe that she believes the reads and so she is just throwing them out there to discredit her wagon.
If I recall, the dialogue between you both for the majority of the game has been token and light on pressure, such that I don't think it means anything "bad" but I cannot confidently say you're not teammed.
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Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:33 pm
it's not realistically that difficult to do ISO busywork and make up bad reads about every post imo
And this. Michelle literally lolcatted last night and then decided to keep trying to fight. I've been in that position myself lol. The effort is not remotely clearing.
If I recall, the dialogue between you both for the majority of the game has been token and light on pressure, such that I don't think it means anything "bad" but I cannot confidently say you're not teammed.
If I recall, the dialogue between you both for the majority of the game has been token and light on pressure, such that I don't think it means anything "bad" but I cannot confidently say you're not teammed.
This is a bad surface take
Well okay. I don't care frankly, that is not an interaction that I think is any kind of priority right now. You're both town reads.
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Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:35 pm
If Michelle is scum she's probably trying to skate by on "these reads are too wacky to come from scum, has to be out of touch town". Which I guess is possible but doesn't really feel like scum Michelle's MO? @nutella you've scummed with Michelle a couple of times, is this kind of tactic in her range?
I don't know how to answer this question specifically tbh but I think so and as I've said it seems far more likely to come from scum than town to me (but I'm biased because, again, she literally outed last night and idk what you missed )
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:33 pm
it's not realistically that difficult to do ISO busywork and make up bad reads about every post imo
And this. Michelle literally lolcatted last night and then decided to keep trying to fight. I've been in that position myself lol. The effort is not remotely clearing.
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Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:35 pm
If Michelle is scum she's probably trying to skate by on "these reads are too wacky to come from scum, has to be out of touch town". Which I guess is possible but doesn't really feel like scum Michelle's MO? @nutella you've scummed with Michelle a couple of times, is this kind of tactic in her range?
I don't know how to answer this question specifically tbh but I think so and as I've said it seems far more likely to come from scum than town to me (but I'm biased because, again, she literally outed last night and idk what you missed )
Yeah this does nothing for me. I am on board with Michelle as a chop; she's one of the people implicated in my work. But "she literally outed" is nonsense and makes the entire conversation feel silly.
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Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:35 pm
If Michelle is scum she's probably trying to skate by on "these reads are too wacky to come from scum, has to be out of touch town". Which I guess is possible but doesn't really feel like scum Michelle's MO? @nutella you've scummed with Michelle a couple of times, is this kind of tactic in her range?
I don't know how to answer this question specifically tbh but I think so and as I've said it seems far more likely to come from scum than town to me (but I'm biased because, again, she literally outed last night and idk what you missed )
Yeah this does nothing for me. I am on board with Michelle as a chop; she's one of the people implicated in my work. But "she literally outed" is nonsense and makes the entire conversation feel silly.
My issue with Nutella is the certainty they have shown this game, meanwhile no mafia has died yet.
The strength and confidence they are showing in these reads don't feel genuine when you look at the reasoning for the read. If I shared that logic, my level of confidence would be fairly low.
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:35 pm
If Michelle is scum she's probably trying to skate by on "these reads are too wacky to come from scum, has to be out of touch town". Which I guess is possible but doesn't really feel like scum Michelle's MO? @nutella you've scummed with Michelle a couple of times, is this kind of tactic in her range?
I don't know how to answer this question specifically tbh but I think so and as I've said it seems far more likely to come from scum than town to me (but I'm biased because, again, she literally outed last night and idk what you missed )
Yeah this does nothing for me. I am on board with Michelle as a chop; she's one of the people implicated in my work. But "she literally outed" is nonsense and makes the entire conversation feel silly.
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DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:14 pm
My issue with Nutella is the certainty they have shown this game, meanwhile no mafia has died yet.
The strength and confidence they are showing in these reads don't feel genuine when you look at the reasoning for the read. If I shared that logic, my level of confidence would be fairly low.
If my perspectives that Made/Ellie works, Made/Michelle works, and Michelle/Ellie does not work, then Made is the best option. I believe Alison said essentially the same thing.
So I would appreciate perspectives on my views of Michelle/Ellie, because from my vantage point that's the most important interaction to sort right now.
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