Bread Mafia [Game Over]

[Made]

Jay's Dilemma:

~ The vibe of this game has not been one of Analysis or Big Posts
~ If the game is a hard one, I don't think I am likely to solve it without Analysis and Big Posts
~ Analysis and Big Posts hurt my head and make me so very tired
~ If I don't do Analysis and Big Posts and let the game continue in its real-time emotion-driven discourse, I think we will lose to most decent mafia teams
~ Other people are very capable of good Analysis and Big Posts, but they might not want to and I can't blame them

i'll do one tomorrow a few hour before eod

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Also @JaggedJimmyJay you didn't make the exercise i asked from you

There's no single "What if Michelle is Town?" post, but that possibility is still littered amongst my various recent posts as I meander around the game.

[staypositivefriend]

watched the 2017 film "mother!". i hated almost every second of it. solid 8/10

I watched that a few weeks ago at a friend's demand and now I have anxiety

i don't think i've been so constantly stressed out & anxious while watching a movie before lmao

[EllieDelight]

I am excited to see what Michelle does with this brand new poll.

Morning, i saw the poll and i wanted to read the thread to understand what exactly happened.

I have in mind that Ellie was displeased with my lynch, iirc asking why am I close to hammer (i will check her Iso for the quote because memory is tricky) but she is strongly advocating me to be in the Poe.
The same, Grogu except the fact he is funny and with cute avatar, has a frozen read on me that he cannot explain.
If, like you said, Nutella is town, SPF is town and Esooa is town, in other words if i am so idiot that i al 100% wrong, then the first people with unexplained and odd stanced are Ellie and Grogu.
Though, i thought Ellie is villager because of the fast growing wagon on her, but the wagon contains too many town reads so the logic it's not aplicabile.
Town LC was in hammer range, 2 counter wagons emerged, on Ellie and Made.
Which one of them had an early day 1 wagon who dissipated?
I have to check.

After breakfast, sorry i have to live too
Brb

all i said was that i was wondering if I should put you in bake range, but it was ultimately pointless. im not displeased with your bake.

[Michelle]

Ellie reminds me of Monstr in a game 5 years ago where he was being voted over someone who he hard pocketed. Monstr was upset that the other person wasn't being killed before him because that other player was being scummy and even defending Monstr.

You really compared my sensei with Ellie?

[EllieDelight]

Ellie reminds me of Monstr in a game 5 years ago where he was being voted over someone who he hard pocketed. Monstr was upset that the other person wasn't being killed before him because that other player was being scummy and even defending Monstr.

You really compared my sensei with Ellie?

-_- rude

[Michelle]

Also @JaggedJimmyJay you didn't make the exercise i asked from you

There's no single "What if Michelle is Town?" post, but that possibility is still littered amongst my various recent posts as I meander around the game.

I know but i need your whole brain to consider as valid i am green and solve after.
I don't think is impossible.
Take your beauty sleep ^^, you have time

[JaggedJimmyJay]

i need your whole brain

oh boy

[Michelle]

Ellie reminds me of Monstr in a game 5 years ago where he was being voted over someone who he hard pocketed. Monstr was upset that the other person wasn't being killed before him because that other player was being scummy and even defending Monstr.

You really compared my sensei with Ellie?

-_- rude

I mean Monstrman has now 14 years game experience and you play your 3rd game.
Is not rude, is objective impossible to make a comparison

[Michelle]

I will be dissapointed if you take it personal Ellie, blame my english for not speaking clear enough.

[staypositivefriend]

michelle, out of me, nutella, and esooa, who do you scumread the most? who do u wanna chop the most today?

and how confident are you that all three of us are mafia?

[nutella]

im off work now, if anyone wants to ask questions or whatnot im here to answer them.

my main takeaway from the pat 8 hours though is that i honestly cant accept i live in a world where i die before made. michelle? ok maybe, but not made who has literally been trying to white knight me all game, which if anything means we're both scum.

Well this post has pretzeled my brain.

mine too

what are you feeling right now?

I dunno. Part of me wants to vote Made, because his Ellie vote is transparently bad. Part of me is unsure about Ellie and thinks she looks at least 15% like a townie being railroaded. But I cannot develop confidence about either thing and, for the moment, feel like I am best advised to stop thinking so much.

I also had a moment of inspiration in my brain that said "Nanook is mafia", but I couldn't tell you why or if that moment is worth anything.

I fully vibe with 100% of this post

If only you liked butter we'd be unstoppable

[EllieDelight]

lol i dont take it personally, it was surprisingly rude(not intentionally) and actually made me laugh

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I fully vibe with 100% of this post

If only you liked butter we'd be unstoppable

[VOTE: butter] aubergine

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Neither Michelle nor Ellie is comfortable with the present situation. Made is cozy as a baby.

Y

[DaughterOfOmega]

Ellie reminds me of Monstr in a game 5 years ago where he was being voted over someone who he hard pocketed. Monstr was upset that the other person wasn't being killed before him because that other player was being scummy and even defending Monstr.

You really compared my sensei with Ellie?

Me and Monstr go way back, I think him teaching anyone mafia is hilarious.

[Made]

Neither Michelle nor Ellie is comfortable with the present situation. Made is cozy as a baby.

Y

Being close to being lynched as a civvie is lowkey my favorite part of mafia, so like i'm having a lot of fun rn

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Neither Michelle nor Ellie is comfortable with the present situation. Made is cozy as a baby.

Y

Being close to being lynched as a civvie is lowkey my favorite part of mafia, so like i'm having a lot of fun rn

yeah, but, like, really tho

[staypositivefriend]

VOTE: Made

(i was already voting him but i wanted to do this for dramatic effect)

[Made]

Neither Michelle nor Ellie is comfortable with the present situation. Made is cozy as a baby.

Y

Being close to being lynched as a civvie is lowkey my favorite part of mafia, so like i'm having a lot of fun rn

yeah, but, like, really tho

if i'm 100% honest, I don't think i'll be baked today. part of the problem of me saying that is that it increases the chances that i'm baked today, but i'm hoping that acknowledging that will mitigate things a bit.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

Prophecy affirmed

[JaggedJimmyJay]

A mafia Made would be a very nice look for Nanook. Wouldn't that be swell?

[staypositivefriend]

i believe that i'm struggling to get my head into this game because it's a weird mix of the type of playstyle on my homesite (extremely active games w/short, snappy posts) and the type of playstyle on this site (longer, more analytical posts). so everything is in place for me to "analyze", but everything is coming so fast that it gives me information overload and i'm just left feeling Overwhelmed.

a trustfall & a distrustfall are a good idea to get myself back in the game - i'll do that either tonight or tomorrow

furthermore, although i am having doubts about the accuracy of the consensus POE of ellie/michelle/made, i would be surprised if there wasn't at least ONE mafia within that pool. so while it's entirely possible that i am getting fooled by some deepwolves, that doesn't mean that it isn't useful to figure out the scummiest person in that pool of three and chop them

if we do have another town flip then, then that means i'm going to reset all of my reads tomorrow (assuming i'm alive) and read through the game with an open mind

this is an overwhelming game, but most of the people here are town, and most of the people here are very very good at solving. i trust in them. we've got this

[staypositivefriend]

Neither Michelle nor Ellie is comfortable with the present situation. Made is cozy as a baby.

Y

Being close to being lynched as a civvie is lowkey my favorite part of mafia, so like i'm having a lot of fun rn

yeah, but, like, really tho

if i'm 100% honest, I don't think i'll be baked today. part of the problem of me saying that is that it increases the chances that i'm baked today, but i'm hoping that acknowledging that will mitigate things a bit.

is this a roundabout way of softing PR?

[Michelle]

This may explain some things, i don't think my play is so hard to understand to require a wall of explanations but i want to share my thoughts

Imagine that i had enough of people saying how i am playing and how i am not playing the game.

I think i have the right to choose my own meta.
For who wants to cage me in a pattern, i have bad news, i reffuse to do so. Always and even more lately.

I don't think i did any scummy thing, i tried to solve in my own way like i am always doing.
Who saw me playing lately knows i am playing against my old meta and i am fighting every single person who claim they can read me. The exceptions exists but they are not playing in this game.

Nutella claiming this is my scun game is hilarious, i don't think she saw me so many times as scum. And i never played like that as either alignament. So if she would claim this is my town game she would also blatantly lie.
My problem is in her conviction that she solved me. I take this 'solve' as rude and unnecessary as either alignament

I experimented lately meta changes in every single game. I would feel like an idiot to copy someone and worse to replicate my own game. It's just boring.

To think that the mafia skills of someone resides in comparing posts from one game to another instead playing the actual game is here for us to play, this is lowering the play level and i dislike to play like that, and i don't accept to encourage this.

This is why i wanted to be out of this game

[nutella]

furthermore, although i am having doubts about the accuracy of the consensus POE of ellie/michelle/made, i would be surprised if there wasn't at least ONE mafia within that pool. so while it's entirely possible that i am getting fooled by some deepwolves, that doesn't mean that it isn't useful to figure out the scummiest person in that pool of three and chop them

basically agreed

[Michelle]

Ellie reminds me of Monstr in a game 5 years ago where he was being voted over someone who he hard pocketed. Monstr was upset that the other person wasn't being killed before him because that other player was being scummy and even defending Monstr.

You really compared my sensei with Ellie?

Me and Monstr go way back, I think him teaching anyone mafia is hilarious.

He is my mentor in my first game at MU

[Made]

Neither Michelle nor Ellie is comfortable with the present situation. Made is cozy as a baby.

Y

Being close to being lynched as a civvie is lowkey my favorite part of mafia, so like i'm having a lot of fun rn

yeah, but, like, really tho

if i'm 100% honest, I don't think i'll be baked today. part of the problem of me saying that is that it increases the chances that i'm baked today, but i'm hoping that acknowledging that will mitigate things a bit.

is this a roundabout way of softing PR?

nah, i wasn't trying to softing anything, I just think i'm slippery s'all.

another thing about being baked as a civvie is that you don't lose, so it's not the end of the world. no reason for me to pressure myself any further with trying to force myself alive, especially if me flipping moves things along

[nutella]

This may explain some things, i don't think my play is so hard to understand to require a wall of explanations but i want to share my thoughts

Imagine that i had enough of people saying how i am playing and how i am not playing the game.

I think i have the right to choose my own meta.
For who wants to cage me in a pattern, i have bad news, i reffuse to do so. Always and even more lately.

I don't think i did any scummy thing, i tried to solve in my own way like i am always doing.
Who saw me playing lately knows i am playing against my old meta and i am fighting every single person who claim they can read me. The exceptions exists but they are not playing in this game.

Nutella claiming this is my scun game is hilarious, i don't think she saw me so many times as scum. And i never played like that as either alignament. So if she would claim this is my town game she would also blatantly lie.
My problem is in her conviction that she solved me. I take this 'solve' as rude and unnecessary as either alignament

I experimented lately meta changes in every single game. I would feel like an idiot to copy someone and worse to replicate my own game. It's just boring.

To think that the mafia skills of someone resides in comparing posts from one game to another instead playing the actual game is here for us to play, this is lowering the play level and i dislike to play like that, and i don't accept to encourage this.

This is why i wanted to be out of this game

ok this is fine


at least you admit it's not your normal town game in any case

[EllieDelight]

whats trust/distrust fall?

[Michelle]

I am excited to see what Michelle does with this brand new poll.

Morning, i saw the poll and i wanted to read the thread to understand what exactly happened.

I have in mind that Ellie was displeased with my lynch, iirc asking why am I close to hammer (i will check her Iso for the quote because memory is tricky) but she is strongly advocating me to be in the Poe.
The same, Grogu except the fact he is funny and with cute avatar, has a frozen read on me that he cannot explain.
If, like you said, Nutella is town, SPF is town and Esooa is town, in other words if i am so idiot that i al 100% wrong, then the first people with unexplained and odd stanced are Ellie and Grogu.
Though, i thought Ellie is villager because of the fast growing wagon on her, but the wagon contains too many town reads so the logic it's not aplicabile.
Town LC was in hammer range, 2 counter wagons emerged, on Ellie and Made.
Which one of them had an early day 1 wagon who dissipated?
I have to check.

After breakfast, sorry i have to live too
Brb

all i said was that i was wondering if I should put you in bake range, but it was ultimately pointless. im not displeased with your bake.

Why, if you want to hung me didn't you put me in hammer range?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

whats trust/distrust fall?

Trustfall - name the best reason you can think of to call each player in the game town

Distrustfall - same, but mafia reads instead

[Michelle]

michelle, out of me, nutella, and esooa, who do you scumread the most? who do u wanna chop the most today?

and how confident are you that all three of us are mafia?

I don't encourage feeding the wolves iykwim

[Made]

michelle, out of me, nutella, and esooa, who do you scumread the most? who do u wanna chop the most today?

and how confident are you that all three of us are mafia?

I don't encourage feeding the wolves iykwim

how is this feeding the wolves?

[staypositivefriend]

michelle, out of me, nutella, and esooa, who do you scumread the most? who do u wanna chop the most today?

and how confident are you that all three of us are mafia?

I don't encourage feeding the wolves iykwim

tbh i'm not totally sure what that means

but i'm considering a world where you might be town, and hearing you just tell us a little bit about ur thought process right now & who you find the most suspicious would probably really help me get a better read on you

[EllieDelight]

I am excited to see what Michelle does with this brand new poll.

Morning, i saw the poll and i wanted to read the thread to understand what exactly happened.

I have in mind that Ellie was displeased with my lynch, iirc asking why am I close to hammer (i will check her Iso for the quote because memory is tricky) but she is strongly advocating me to be in the Poe.
The same, Grogu except the fact he is funny and with cute avatar, has a frozen read on me that he cannot explain.
If, like you said, Nutella is town, SPF is town and Esooa is town, in other words if i am so idiot that i al 100% wrong, then the first people with unexplained and odd stanced are Ellie and Grogu.
Though, i thought Ellie is villager because of the fast growing wagon on her, but the wagon contains too many town reads so the logic it's not aplicabile.
Town LC was in hammer range, 2 counter wagons emerged, on Ellie and Made.
Which one of them had an early day 1 wagon who dissipated?
I have to check.

After breakfast, sorry i have to live too
Brb

all i said was that i was wondering if I should put you in bake range, but it was ultimately pointless. im not displeased with your bake.

Why, if you want to hung me didn't you put me in hammer range?

you didn't really didn't read my post beyond apparently picking up vibes i was displeased, which is wrong. i said in it that i was asking if it was good idea because people were already discussing if we should hammer not so i didn't want to negatively affect the situation. in particular someone mentioned that giving Made the final vote was bad

[JaggedJimmyJay]

i go sleep now. much rem

maybe i'll solve the game in a dream

[EllieDelight]

whats trust/distrust fall?

Trustfall - name the best reason you can think of to call each player in the game town

Distrustfall - same, but mafia reads instead

neat

[Michelle]

Picking up quotes from the 63 o saved

@Michelle hey I have a proposition for you in the morning

solve the game assuming nutella and I are green peeked and you won't get lynched

If Nutella is green in this game you have to draw it in a more convincing way than an exercise of imagination.
Why is she bad for me? For endless pushes on 2 villagers, reffusing re-evaluation and also painting me in untrue manner.

For you, my question is why were you so stressed at sod with any scum read towards you? Why was important to be universally town read? You made my scum radar vibrate hard

About me not being lynched i don't give a fuck and i would prefer to not play after toDay

I will try to spend more time in the afternoon in the game

[Michelle]

michelle, out of me, nutella, and esooa, who do you scumread the most? who do u wanna chop the most today?

and how confident are you that all three of us are mafia?

I don't encourage feeding the wolves iykwim

how is this feeding the wolves?

Wolves like SPF can turn around any argument because she has a cold head and she is very good with words.
I am the opposite, an emotional player, bad with words.
I won as villager the paint game and the hydra where my partner and me were gif posting.
Sometimes words are just helping wolves.

[nutella]

michelle, out of me, nutella, and esooa, who do you scumread the most? who do u wanna chop the most today?

and how confident are you that all three of us are mafia?

I don't encourage feeding the wolves iykwim

how is this feeding the wolves?

Wolves like SPF can turn around any argument because she has a cold head and she is very good with words.
I am the opposite, an emotional player, bad with words.
I won as villager the paint game and the hydra where my partner and me were gif posting.
Sometimes words are just helping wolves.

yknow, I appreciate this sentiment
don't know that it means anything for your alignment, but I respect it as a stylistic approach and I appreciate you and encourage you to keep doing your thing

[nutella]

am I going to have a full esooa level change of heart


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.......

maybe

[nutella]

i'm just thinking of the last couple games i found michelle as town and feel like what i need to do here is just give her some space so she can approach the game without being on the backfoot since she has been under pressure pretty much since the beginning and if she actually is town i think that's affected her ability to really engage with solving in her most natural way

[staypositivefriend]

michelle, out of me, nutella, and esooa, who do you scumread the most? who do u wanna chop the most today?

and how confident are you that all three of us are mafia?

I don't encourage feeding the wolves iykwim

how is this feeding the wolves?

Wolves like SPF can turn around any argument because she has a cold head and she is very good with words.
I am the opposite, an emotional player, bad with words.
I won as villager the paint game and the hydra where my partner and me were gif posting.
Sometimes words are just helping wolves.

well above all else, i just want to see you genuinely solve & figure out the game, whatever that might look like for you

[staypositivefriend]

what's the best reason to townread nanook?

[nutella]

I think I need to be more cautious with clearing people for vibing and mindmelds. Like I feel it's pretty common for there to be a deepwolf in someone like Alison or SPF who gets by on fake mindmelds with townies and generally latching onto their thought processes and pocketing them by engineering themself to be in lockstep with them. It's an easy way to get manipulated and I think I'm pretty susceptible to falling for it (though I'm also susceptible to paranoia to a harmful extent sometimes as well and it's such a hard balance to strike).

Anyway I say this because at various points I've thought "no way I vibe THIS much with everything this person is saying they just HAVE to be town" for several different players this game -- SPF, Alison, Esooa -- those three primarily; tutuu and jay to lesser extents. And now I'm thinking, in a potential world where Michelle is town, I specifically want to question the processes I shared with SPF and Esooa on our read progressions toward Michelle, and really should consider that some of it could have been engineered to ring genuine to me and "team up" with me to get Michelle chopped (and later show doubt and reevaluate as both esooa and spf have now done and what if it's tmi after all and aaaaa). Idk this is a complex thought I'm having and I should probably let it marinate. I think even regardless of Michelle's alignment it's possible I've been pocketed in this way by one of them and I'm not sure how to rat it out except by being cautious with my reasoning for clearing them.

[nutella]

what's the best reason to townread nanook?

I've honestly forgotten lol. Like there was a point I had him as lock town based on his D1 but I don't know that I can articulate why and that may be a bad sign? I think it was sort of generally his flow on D1 felt like the way he approaches the game when he's truly uninformed and he showed his particular brand of uninformed perspective and attitude that he has as town (kind of a dgaf, go with the flow kind of thing) but I think that's something he can certainly fake as scum as well, and I've only had more and more concerns about his slot as the game has gone on.

[staypositivefriend]

what's the best reason to townread nanook?

I've honestly forgotten lol. Like there was a point I had him as lock town based on his D1 but I don't know that I can articulate why and that may be a bad sign? I think it was sort of generally his flow on D1 felt like the way he approaches the game when he's truly uninformed and he showed his particular brand of uninformed perspective and attitude that he has as town (kind of a dgaf, go with the flow kind of thing) but I think that's something he can certainly fake as scum as well, and I've only had more and more concerns about his slot as the game has gone on.

yeah lol, i had him at about locktown territory throughout the majority of day one but i find it impossible to put into words why beyond simply: "vibes", and that concerns m-

halfway through writing this post, i remembered that nanook did have a moment earlier in the day where he came in extremely cynical about esooa's alignment, and then gradually and silently began to tr her as he let their interactions marinate. it felt like an authentic process to me. so while i do have concerns about nanook, i do at least have ~some~ reason for him to be town

[staypositivefriend]

I think I need to be more cautious with clearing people for vibing and mindmelds. Like I feel it's pretty common for there to be a deepwolf in someone like Alison or SPF who gets by on fake mindmelds with townies and generally latching onto their thought processes and pocketing them by engineering themself to be in lockstep with them. It's an easy way to get manipulated and I think I'm pretty susceptible to falling for it (though I'm also susceptible to paranoia to a harmful extent sometimes as well and it's such a hard balance to strike).

Anyway I say this because at various points I've thought "no way I vibe THIS much with everything this person is saying they just HAVE to be town" for several different players this game -- SPF, Alison, Esooa -- those three primarily; tutuu and jay to lesser extents. And now I'm thinking, in a potential world where Michelle is town, I specifically want to question the processes I shared with SPF and Esooa on our read progressions toward Michelle, and really should consider that some of it could have been engineered to ring genuine to me and "team up" with me to get Michelle chopped (and later show doubt and reevaluate as both esooa and spf have now done and what if it's tmi after all and aaaaa). Idk this is a complex thought I'm having and I should probably let it marinate. I think even regardless of Michelle's alignment it's possible I've been pocketed in this way by one of them and I'm not sure how to rat it out except by being cautious with my reasoning for clearing them.

i think this is a good thought to have, and you should continue pursuing it even if it means tinfoiling me

[DaughterOfOmega]

People are rethinking vibe town reads, I am in trouble