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[nutella]

Nanook has posted of 200 times, he has less than 15 posts over 25 words.

There is a majority of commentary, with no real value even during day 2 of this game.

The "solving" he does is mainly just saying reads, and not interacting/questioning people who he gives reads about.

When Nanook talks about me a couple times, it's more of a TMI thing because I know he is right, but the evidence he has to call me town at times aren't good.

I recommend reading the ISO of Nanook and asking yourself three questions.

1. Is Nanook actively solving the game, and inspecting the people he is interacting with.

2. Is Nanook posting too much fluff for you?

3. When Nanook finally gives any reads, are they given with some kind of evidence that would convince you? Or all of his reads just commentary without some details backing it up.

just ftr, if nanook is scum, nothing you mention here is why

you're just describing his usual style, that's how he always plays

but i think he can be scum and i agree with you regarding his compatibility with ellie and/or michelle

[Esooa]

there is nothing to explain, the words explain themselves

[Michelle]

is this why theres 12 town in this setup cuz this is the shit that gives 0 info for the next day.

only 2 competing wagons is frustrating and thats why ive been trying to start up other ones on ppl i suspect cuz this kinda circular action gets us nowhere.

ellie can u at least try and give ur reads

also theres always the chance we flash wagon someone else

MADE is hard scum. he's your 1 from me/mich/made . i dont know why you guys let yourselves get manipulated by the high posters into thinking any different. MICHELLE is probably also scum, i think she's playing really hard but that doesnt change anything.

I read DOOM and ESOOA as scum too. Doom literally wont get off my ass and even consider im town, and i think thats wolf tmi. Esooa had a gradual flip away from me yesterday then suddenly shot back to me being "100% scum, you must die now". It honestly doesnt make sense beyond being able to deny my death later.

ALISON, NUT, and NOOK I think all lean town. I can't thing of anything egregious theyve done.

I can see a world where SPF is scum but i wouldnt bet on it. She's apparently really good but her vibe is insincere. Wish i had more.

DkKOBA? Bruh i dont even know, im glad youre trying to solve when you got handed my hammer just now but I didnt like your initiative assessment of D2.

GROGU i dont care about beyond really, REALLY bad vibes. I cam see a GROGU/MADE/SPF world. I think if that were true though a town win is super unlikely because of all the digging ro be done.

I think that's everyone, list isnt tiered or ordered. Just wrote as i remembered the players

I find very interesting your suspicion on Esooa and Spf in the same time you consider me scum.
I don't get it, can you explain me why?

Please unvote yourself and vote your scum reads

[JaggedJimmyJay]

When I reviewed interactions, I figured the only likely fits for an Esooa team were Alison, Grogu, and SPF.

I’m allowing myself to think about it. Esooa has cruised today on nutella-like credit, but I don’t know Esooa nearly like I know nutella.

[nutella]

Nutella I would encourage you to every time you have a thought that involves the premise of “I can read nanook,” discard it immediately and sheep mac’s townread instead.

i never said i can read you i said i think you could be mafia

[Esooa]

When I reviewed interactions, I figured the only likely fits for an Esooa team were Alison, Grogu, and SPF.

I’m allowing myself to think about it. Esooa has cruised today on nutella-like credit, but I don’t know Esooa nearly like I know nutella.

what

[JaggedJimmyJay]

When I reviewed interactions, I figured the only likely fits for an Esooa team were Alison, Grogu, and SPF.

I’m allowing myself to think about it. Esooa has cruised today on nutella-like credit, but I don’t know Esooa nearly like I know nutella.

what

When I reviewed interactions, I figured the only likely fits for an Esooa team were Alison, Grogu, and SPF.

I’m allowing myself to think about it. Esooa has cruised today on nutella-like credit, but I don’t know Esooa nearly like I know nutella.

[Michelle]

@MacDougall can you explain what you think I would be doing differently here if I were town

i wish an explanation for this post

@Esooa answer me please

nah

there is nothing to explain, the words explain themselves

The words are saying 'if i were town' implying you are not.
I am Esl, i want to know if i understood it correct, and if i did why you said that.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@DkKoba @nutella as I understand it y’all know Esooa at least somewhat. Does meta play a strong role in your reads of her?

[Esooa]

@MacDougall can you explain what you think I would be doing differently here if I were town

i wish an explanation for this post

@Esooa answer me please

nah

there is nothing to explain, the words explain themselves

The words are saying 'if i were town' implying you are not.
I am Esl, i want to know if i understood it correct, and if i did why you said that.

your interpretation is correct

deduce the implications at you wish

[EllieDelight]

is this why theres 12 town in this setup cuz this is the shit that gives 0 info for the next day.

only 2 competing wagons is frustrating and thats why ive been trying to start up other ones on ppl i suspect cuz this kinda circular action gets us nowhere.

ellie can u at least try and give ur reads

also theres always the chance we flash wagon someone else

MADE is hard scum. he's your 1 from me/mich/made . i dont know why you guys let yourselves get manipulated by the high posters into thinking any different. MICHELLE is probably also scum, i think she's playing really hard but that doesnt change anything.

I read DOOM and ESOOA as scum too. Doom literally wont get off my ass and even consider im town, and i think thats wolf tmi. Esooa had a gradual flip away from me yesterday then suddenly shot back to me being "100% scum, you must die now". It honestly doesnt make sense beyond being able to deny my death later.

ALISON, NUT, and NOOK I think all lean town. I can't thing of anything egregious theyve done.

I can see a world where SPF is scum but i wouldnt bet on it. She's apparently really good but her vibe is insincere. Wish i had more.

DkKOBA? Bruh i dont even know, im glad youre trying to solve when you got handed my hammer just now but I didnt like your initiative assessment of D2.

GROGU i dont care about beyond really, REALLY bad vibes. I cam see a GROGU/MADE/SPF world. I think if that were true though a town win is super unlikely because of all the digging ro be done.

I think that's everyone, list isnt tiered or ordered. Just wrote as i remembered the players

I find very interesting your suspicion on Esooa and Spf in the same time you consider me scum.
I don't get it, can you explain me why?

Please unvote yourself and vote your scum reads

Idk about you anymore Mich, im on the fence if you're scum, you've done some real polarizing shit both ways. Esooa is more like, i could see her as scum and i don't think i have a mental counter argument against it. SPF just doesn't have good vibes

[Esooa]

When I reviewed interactions, I figured the only likely fits for an Esooa team were Alison, Grogu, and SPF.

I’m allowing myself to think about it. Esooa has cruised today on nutella-like credit, but I don’t know Esooa nearly like I know nutella.

what

When I reviewed interactions, I figured the only likely fits for an Esooa team were Alison, Grogu, and SPF.

I’m allowing myself to think about it. Esooa has cruised today on nutella-like credit, but I don’t know Esooa nearly like I know nutella.

but I haven't been cruising by today

and I don't have nutella like credit

[DkKoba]

@DkKoba @nutella as I understand it y’all know Esooa at least somewhat. Does meta play a strong role in your reads of her?

yes

[Esooa]

honestly the most scummy thing about me is koba reading me town

[Michelle]

@MacDougall can you explain what you think I would be doing differently here if I were town

i wish an explanation for this post

@Esooa answer me please

nah

there is nothing to explain, the words explain themselves

The words are saying 'if i were town' implying you are not.
I am Esl, i want to know if i understood it correct, and if i did why you said that.

your interpretation is correct

deduce the implications at you wish

You didn't explain me why you wanted to be universally TR at Sod

[Esooa]

@MacDougall can you explain what you think I would be doing differently here if I were town

i wish an explanation for this post

@Esooa answer me please

nah

there is nothing to explain, the words explain themselves

The words are saying 'if i were town' implying you are not.
I am Esl, i want to know if i understood it correct, and if i did why you said that.

your interpretation is correct

deduce the implications at you wish

You didn't explain me why you wanted to be universally TR at Sod

because I obviously was and didn't want to deal with obnoxious tin foil

[JaggedJimmyJay]

but I haven't been cruising by today

and I don't have nutella like credit

You certainly have been cruising in JaggedJimmyJay’s brain. This is the first time on Day 2 I’ve asked any questions about you.

I draw the nutella comparison because you both “look like town” at face value. I just have much more history to draw from with nutella when I make such a judgment.

[nutella]

hot take: alison can still be mafia, especially if we live in some kind messed up world where michelle is town

What is SPF preparing here?

yes


michelle let us move on from the past and team up against spf

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@DkKoba @nutella as I understand it y’all know Esooa at least somewhat. Does meta play a strong role in your reads of her?

yes

Is meta trash?

[nutella]

(realistically i'm probably not ready for that, i need to resolve michelle/the poe before really digging into spf)

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Nutella I would encourage you to every time you have a thought that involves the premise of “I can read nanook,” discard it immediately and sheep mac’s townread instead.

i never said i can read you i said i think you could be mafia

Look grandpa, it’s a distinction without a difference in its natural habitat, what a rare and wondrous sight!

[Esooa]

(realistically i'm probably not ready for that, i need to resolve michelle/the poe before really digging into spf)

spf is the poe

[DkKoba]

@DkKoba @nutella as I understand it y’all know Esooa at least somewhat. Does meta play a strong role in your reads of her?

yes

Is meta trash?

yes and no.

the way most ppl apply it - yes

using it to poe out scumrange/townrange - no

[Esooa]

if spf wasn't so cute I'd consider her a viable alternative to being the bake today

[DkKoba]

honestly the most scummy thing about me is koba reading me town

can u stop discrediting me with "hur koba cant read me haha"

like i can ur just mad i dont do it right away

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@DkKoba @nutella as I understand it y’all know Esooa at least somewhat. Does meta play a strong role in your reads of her?

yes

Is meta trash?

yes and no.

the way most ppl apply it - yes

using it to poe out scumrange/townrange - no

How confident are you that Esooa is out of her scum range?

[DkKoba]

@DkKoba @nutella as I understand it y’all know Esooa at least somewhat. Does meta play a strong role in your reads of her?

yes

Is meta trash?

yes and no.

the way most ppl apply it - yes

using it to poe out scumrange/townrange - no

How confident are you that Esooa is out of her scum range?

very. especially considering she doesn't know the tell i have on her yet and thus can't manipulate it against me.

[nutella]

and I have every single player on made as possibly scum

ok cool we get it my scumrange is huge so im technically still possible scum - but y spf?

*bernie meme* I am once again telling you to read the posts you missed

Please check out my spf paranoia last night and realize I am the town and spf is the deepwolf

[Esooa]

koba hasn't played against me as scum BTW

[DkKoba]

doesn't mean i havent read any scum games at some point.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@DkKoba @nutella as I understand it y’all know Esooa at least somewhat. Does meta play a strong role in your reads of her?

yes

Is meta trash?

yes and no.

the way most ppl apply it - yes

using it to poe out scumrange/townrange - no

How confident are you that Esooa is out of her scum range?

very. especially considering she doesn't know the tell i have on her yet and thus can't manipulate it against me.

Cool. How would you describe scum Esooa? You don’t have to reveal your specific tell if you don’t want to.

Sorry for quote pyramid, but mobile

[Michelle]

hot take: alison can still be mafia, especially if we live in some kind messed up world where michelle is town

What is SPF preparing here?

yes


michelle let us move on from the past and team up against spf

I think you don't need my approval to follow your reads

[DkKoba]

fully explaining my perception of her scum game would possibly reveal the tell so im not interested in going into detail
but i will say that esooa scum has recently succeeded due to naivety of town not having played with scum esooa before - it wasnt necessarily due to her blending into her townplay so much as ppl underestimating her.

[nutella]

@DkKoba @nutella as I understand it y’all know Esooa at least somewhat. Does meta play a strong role in your reads of her?

I don't think I've ever played with her other than the hydra mash

So no

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@DkKoba @nutella as I understand it y’all know Esooa at least somewhat. Does meta play a strong role in your reads of her?

I don't think I've ever played with her other than the hydra mash

So no

Cool beans. Does your view of Esooa go deeper than what she looks like to you at face value?

[DaughterOfOmega]

btw

if one more person says to me "bruh that's just my town meta" as a response to non towny playstyle

Have you ever thought about maybe trying to play towny? Just wondering, because I won't change my reads based on meta ever, just saying.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

fully explaining my perception of her scum game would possibly reveal the tell so im not interested in going into detail
but i will say that esooa scum has recently succeeded due to naivety of town not having played with scum esooa before - it wasnt necessarily due to her blending into her townplay so much as ppl underestimating her.

Very well, thanks. Do you recall one of her scum games that you watched and where I can find it?

[nutella]

@DkKoba @nutella as I understand it y’all know Esooa at least somewhat. Does meta play a strong role in your reads of her?

yes

Is meta trash?

yes and no.

the way most ppl apply it - yes

using it to poe out scumrange/townrange - no

How confident are you that Esooa is out of her scum range?

very. especially considering she doesn't know the tell i have on her yet and thus can't manipulate it against me.

if you trust esooa you should definitely trust me lol

[nutella]

anyway read the stuff from last night about spf it's super interesting i promise

[nutella]

fully explaining my perception of her scum game would possibly reveal the tell so im not interested in going into detail
but i will say that esooa scum has recently succeeded due to naivety of town not having played with scum esooa before - it wasnt necessarily due to her blending into her townplay so much as ppl underestimating her.

i guess this matches up to my idea of her having a similarly impressive scumrange as alison

[nutella]

@DkKoba @nutella as I understand it y’all know Esooa at least somewhat. Does meta play a strong role in your reads of her?

I don't think I've ever played with her other than the hydra mash

So no

Cool beans. Does your view of Esooa go deeper than what she looks like to you at face value?

a lot of it is how much we've been in lockstep

I realize that applies to spf as well and I expressed paranoia about that but they feel different. I've entertained some degree of paranoia about Esooa as well but my gut differentiates between the two

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I suggested earlier that my view of SPF is like a "diet" version of my view of Alison -- I am in total lockstep with Alison all game, and mostly agree with SPF most of the game. I find myself wondering if this reflects genuine melding of the minds with Alison, and SPF absorbing herself into the general consensus deliberately.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

a lot of it is how much we've been in lockstep

I realize that applies to spf as well and I expressed paranoia about that but they feel different. I've entertained some degree of paranoia about Esooa as well but my gut differentiates between the two

That makes sense. nutella/Esooa is a similar dynamic to Jay/Alison in this game. Thanks I'll think about it.

[DkKoba]

@DkKoba @nutella as I understand it y’all know Esooa at least somewhat. Does meta play a strong role in your reads of her?

yes

Is meta trash?

yes and no.

the way most ppl apply it - yes

using it to poe out scumrange/townrange - no

How confident are you that Esooa is out of her scum range?

very. especially considering she doesn't know the tell i have on her yet and thus can't manipulate it against me.

if you trust esooa you should definitely trust me lol

i trust her being town - that doesnt mean i trust her accuracy

[nutella]

btw

if one more person says to me "bruh that's just my town meta" as a response to non towny playstyle

Have you ever thought about maybe trying to play towny? Just wondering, because I won't change my reads based on meta ever, just saying.

assuming this is about nanook -- it's not even really his town meta so much as his style always. it's just how he plays the game and you shouldn't read him off of it. he has a unique way of going about the game and it takes some getting used to so i don't blame you for having a hard time "getting" him the first time you're playing with him -- you're just making ill-conceived assumptions about it

[DkKoba]

fully explaining my perception of her scum game would possibly reveal the tell so im not interested in going into detail
but i will say that esooa scum has recently succeeded due to naivety of town not having played with scum esooa before - it wasnt necessarily due to her blending into her townplay so much as ppl underestimating her.

Very well, thanks. Do you recall one of her scum games that you watched and where I can find it?

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/29301

[JaggedJimmyJay]

At the very least I think we owe it to Mac to consider Esooa under a more critical lens. Unless he spoiled himself with a different answer, I suspect he's been screaming in his coffin all day.

[nutella]

I suggested earlier that my view of SPF is like a "diet" version of my view of Alison -- I am in total lockstep with Alison all game, and mostly agree with SPF most of the game. I find myself wondering if this reflects genuine melding of the minds with Alison, and SPF absorbing herself into the general consensus deliberately.

yeah

that's how I feel with Esooa in the same position as Alison/even more so

[DkKoba]

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... -turbo-vig this too re:esooa

[nutella]

yes

Is meta trash?

yes and no.

the way most ppl apply it - yes

using it to poe out scumrange/townrange - no

How confident are you that Esooa is out of her scum range?

very. especially considering she doesn't know the tell i have on her yet and thus can't manipulate it against me.

if you trust esooa you should definitely trust me lol

i trust her being town - that doesnt mean i trust her accuracy

but like. we been doing the same shit